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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
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Kreb
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On October 11 2012 21:53 Mementoss wrote: also if all roles are in this game, like you imply and no one counter claims VE there is no reason to lynch him am I right? Im trying to explore possibilities why it would still be possible. Theres of course always possibilities, but they seem quite far-fetched atm, all depends on the design of all the roles. Then, of course, I might also be wrong and all roles arent in the game. I actually hadnt considered that before, just as you seemingly hadnt considered they could all be in guaranteed. :p | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
So if VE sanity isn't guarenteed: Sane Cop: Always gets correct results (i.e. "guilty" for anti-Town roles and "innocent" for pro-Town roles) NOT Insane Cop: Always gets incorrect results (i.e. "guilty" for pro-Town roles and "innocent" for anti-Town roles) Possible Paranoid Cop: Always gets "guilty" results NOT Naive Cop: Always gets "innocent" results NOT Random Cop: Gets a randomized result without regard to who is investigated Possible So by this logic, we should be lynching Coag, in the case that VE is insane. | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
Coag is the absolutely last person we will lynch. He's almost certainly town regardless of viceras alignment. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:18 risk.nuke wrote: There are multiple scenarios. However sanity-cops are not a probable one. Coag is the absolutely last person we will lynch. He's almost certainly town regardless of viceras alignment. And by multiple scenarios you mean 3: VE is lieing -> Lynch VE VE is insane -> Lynch Coag Kush framed -> Lynch???? So by this logic you think there is a framer, but I know for a fact there is a roleblocker. There is no role that is unclaimed or unflipped that looks like a framer to mean, (or a role blocked) But I know one of them that looks mafia like, is probably a roleblocked. How is coag town regardless of VE's alignment, VE lies to give a town check on coag, and VE flipps scum, you still think coag is auto town? VE checks someone he knows is town and gets back a mafia check, you still think coag is town? | ||
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Z-BosoN
Brazil2590 Posts
We should lynch whoever we find to be scum. While VEs claim is fishy as hell I think hed make a bad lynch for tomorrow. From reading the filters yesterday, I'd feel strongest towards a mattchew/shiaopi lynch. After settling down I've decided DP is more likely butthurt townie rather than his flamy scum. Sloosh, like I said, is playing quite differently this game, but I'm uneasy with his alignment. BC is sk and. Iamperfection and risk.nuke I have slight town reads on. Kreb is pretty damn townie. Keirathi is being extremely useless this game, is yet to make any contribution. The scum read I have on mattchew is more related to his "don't lynch shady for dumb reasons" post, and shiaopi more because of the meta reads spotted earlier. These are just my current thoughts on the game for now. Who would you lynch, mementoss? | ||
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Z-BosoN
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Kreb
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On October 11 2012 22:33 Mementoss wrote: And by multiple scenarios you mean 3: VE is lieing -> Lynch VE VE is insane -> Lynch Coag Kush framed -> Lynch???? So by this logic you think there is a framer, but I know for a fact there is a roleblocker. There is no role that is unclaimed or unflipped that looks like a framer to mean, (or a role blocked) But I know one of them that looks mafia like, is probably a roleblocked. How is coag town regardless of VE's alignment, VE lies to give a town check on coag, and VE flipps scum, you still think coag is auto town? VE checks someone he knows is town and gets back a mafia check, you still think coag is town? I dont like limiting myself to three alternatives like that. I could make 10 more alternatives being "If this unclaimed/unreleaved role X works in this way, then this is true". That is when Im entering into far-fetched land as I said, but I dont like limiting myself either. But the fact that imo VE has been scummy like hell for a long time makes me start to question how far-fetched they really are. It is a bit weird that we dont have a rivalling PI claim should VE be scum, but a lot of other things are weird too. Hmm. Night kills are gonna be interesting at least though. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:35 Z-BosoN wrote: I don't think that's advantageous right now. We should lynch whoever we find to be scum. While VEs claim is fishy as hell I think hed make a bad lynch for tomorrow. From reading the filters yesterday, I'd feel strongest towards a mattchew/shiaopi lynch. After settling down I've decided DP is more likely butthurt townie rather than his flamy scum. Sloosh, like I said, is playing quite differently this game, but I'm uneasy with his alignment. BC is sk and. Iamperfection and risk.nuke I have slight town reads on. Kreb is pretty damn townie. Keirathi is being extremely useless this game, is yet to make any contribution. The scum read I have on mattchew is more related to his "don't lynch shady for dumb reasons" post, and shiaopi more because of the meta reads spotted earlier. These are just my current thoughts on the game for now. Who would you lynch, mementoss? Depends entirely on the night actions can't explain now. But lynching based on filter/behaviour, I would say Shioapi | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On October 11 2012 21:53 Mementoss wrote: also if all roles are in this game, like you imply and no one counter claims VE there is no reason to lynch him am I right? ive been thinking on this. I dont think we can assume that private investigator is a town role. I think a mafia role cop is a possibility. I agree with risk.nuke that coagulation is likely town so he is no longer a prime concern of mine. Shaopi however is my primary read. this post bugs the hell out of me. On October 10 2012 14:43 ShiaoPi wrote: @zboson: iamp is just flying under the radar just as he did last game. Its scummy behaviour but it does.not stand out from the rest of the town right now. VEs claim is believable, while there is the possibilty of.a frame I think it to be rather slim. I don't like that matt gets yet another freeride but nobody seems to be willing to vote with me (understandable ofc with the claim) so yeah lets lynch kush! ##unvote ##vote: kush The last part almost sets himself up for the current situation. He acknowledges the fact that a frame is possible yet gives not much of a read on kush. In fact looking through his filter he is extremely wish washy on kush the entire game. Most of the other players have been able to give a more defined read on kush one way or the other. notice how he says the frame is slim not that kush is likely scum. Also he shows apathy. Basically with the last line he explains he wants to vote for someone else but cant because of the claim. so he is giving up all responsibility for this vote due to the claim. His activity has been severally lacking and like i said about it before he blamed it for his loss in his last game. Now im no activity fiend myself but a 3 page filter at this point is really bad. Combine this with the fact he complained about activity as town his last game makes me read him as scum. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Iamp makes a good point about the role, but the only thing that irks me is no one counter claimed being roleblocked. Unless scum randomly decided not to use it night 1. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:53 Mementoss wrote: I think VE should be checking a confirmed townie (aka dead) tonight if he is allowed to check the sanity possibility. Iamp makes a good point about the role, but the only thing that irks me is no one counter claimed being roleblocked. Unless scum randomly decided not to use it night 1. ya that would have been silly for night 1 i think. and what do you mean about checking a confirmed townie how can he do that? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:56 iamperfection wrote: ya that would have been silly for night 1 i think. and what do you mean about checking a confirmed townie how can he do that? if hes allowed to check dead/flipped players | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:47 iamperfection wrote: ive been thinking on this. I dont think we can assume that private investigator is a town role. I think a mafia role cop is a possibility. Dudedudedudedudedudedude. This totally had me thinking. Look at this: + Show Spoiler + 1. iamperfection 2. 3. BloodyC0bbler 4. 5. 6. ShiaoPi 7. 8. Mattchew 9. risk.nuke 10. Coagulation 11. Z-BosoN 12. 13. Keirathi 14. 15. VisceraEyes 16. 17. slOosh 18. 19. 20. Kreb 21. Mementoss 22. 23. 24. 25. Set-up: And this: + Show Spoiler + Lucky Citizen Vigilante Concerned Citizen Enforcer Hitman Paramedic Private Investigator Medical Examiner Coroner Detective Godfather Paranoid Arsonist Scoreboard And look at VEs claim: On October 10 2012 06:28 VisceraEyes wrote: Well let me add...illusory weight to the Kush wagon. I'm a Private Investigator and last night I received Mafia Coroner when I checked kushm4sta. N1 I was roleblocked. N2 I checked Coag and he came back as town "Concerned Citizen". Now e'erybody climb onboard the VE Failtrain of Glory(holes). Is it possible VE added the prefix Mafia to an existing role (could be both town or mafia)? Theres no Mafia prefix on any role BM ever mentioned. If so, thats a pretty telling slip. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9647 Posts
On October 11 2012 22:59 Kreb wrote: Dudedudedudedudedudedude. This totally had me thinking. Look at this: + Show Spoiler + 1. iamperfection 2. 3. BloodyC0bbler 4. 5. 6. ShiaoPi 7. 8. Mattchew 9. risk.nuke 10. Coagulation 11. Z-BosoN 12. 13. Keirathi 14. 15. VisceraEyes 16. 17. slOosh 18. 19. 20. Kreb 21. Mementoss 22. 23. 24. 25. Set-up: And this: + Show Spoiler + Lucky Citizen Vigilante Concerned Citizen Enforcer Hitman Paramedic Private Investigator Medical Examiner Coroner Detective Godfather Paranoid Arsonist Scoreboard And look at VEs claim: Is it possible VE added the prefix Mafia to an existing role (could be both town or mafia)? Theres no Mafia prefix on any role BM ever mentioned. If so, thats a pretty telling slip. well he did say that his role is a combination of a role and regular cop right? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
That seems not right. Even his role check was wrong. So yeah I think sanities seem improbable. | ||
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Mementoss
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:04 Mementoss wrote: What would the point of having private investigator and detective if private investigator is just a super detective. Stop assuming anything about the Detective really. Look at the Veteran. BM mixes up roles, most likely with the purpose to avoid these kind of assimptions. The Detective could be anything. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 11 2012 21:47 Mementoss wrote: Trying to figure out the night kills: Night 1: Risen killed himself Anull killed by town vig KJ killed by ???? BC targetted by mafia KP Austin shot by ???? Mafia KP min 1 max 3 Night 2: Mkfuba killed himself Austin killed by mafia KP (assumption because he was a claimed save by medic -> confirmed townie status) ToutestChaos killed by ???? Mafia KP min 1 max 2 Night 3: Prometheax killed by mafia KP (assumed because confirmed town vig) Broodkingexe killed by ???? mafia kp min 1 max 2 My theory is that mafia KP is fixed at 2, and there was a hitman (mafia vig) on night 1. Or mafia KP was cut due to 2 lynches, and the extra KP is from SK. But that seems unlikely due to low amount of KP, 1 KP for mafia by night 2, would be very unlikely. Unless SK stopped shooting, or shots stacked. (SK -> 3rd party) Hitman Private Investigator Coroner Detective Paranoid Arsonist Assuming Night 1, mafia used a hitman (mafia vig) and have constant 2 KP. Knowing 100% there is a roleblocker, which of the remaining roles would make sense to be a framer? My thought stands, VE checks confirmed town if he can. But he can just lie about that. Gah. | ||
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Kreb
4834 Posts
On October 11 2012 23:02 iamperfection wrote: well he did say that his role is a combination of a role and regular cop right? Ok true. Scratch that then. | ||
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