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On September 29 2012 15:21 debears wrote: @djo What parts of his case specifically do you believe? His main case against me is contradiction. Look at my case against thrawn in the last game. What was the main point of that argument? Inconsistency. Its an easy point for scum to point out. There are two possibilities for kushvin my eyes 1) a mafiab tryingbto pity his way out off a lynch 2) a townie acting likeva total noob with accusations against him. Which has less assumptions? Number 1. My problen with the scum by associstion is the case that i was defendung kush earky on. That us false i was trying ti communicate ti darth that his reasoning wad based off such a strong s assumption early in the game. In fact, I'd say that z-bosons case against me is the same. He looks at the mafia side only, which to me is a indicator of mafia. I can't make a case dur to drinking and being on my phone. My read in you is that you are sheeping onto cases. I don't like it because i did the same. Why do you think i would refer you to a coach? What are the townie and mafia motivations behind it. @z-boson The same question stated the line above refers to you Why are you so desperate to distance yourself from a Kush red flip? Regardless of the answer, we can deal with any association cases between yourself and Kush after the flip. The fact is though. That is the weakest part of the case against you. So of course the only part that you really defend. You are essentially saying Z - Boson has confirmation Bias. This is not the case. His case against you stands on it's own merits. Your defense consists of trying to discredit it's author. That does not stop the facts being what they are. Z - Boson only brought them to light. | ||
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On September 29 2012 16:26 Djodref wrote: [/list][/list]@debears so let me reformulate my question so we can understand each other better this time What is your read about me so far ? [*]town [*]null [*]scum You can use quantitative adjectives  What is the point of this question? | ||
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On September 29 2012 17:04 Djodref wrote: @debears Also can you explain what you mean exactly by saying Z-BosoN "looks at the mafia side only" ? I honestly didn't understand the bolded part of your post. He is talking about confirmation bias. | ||
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On September 29 2012 18:47 Alsn wrote: I also want to quickly address the following quote from DarthPunk: Really? You're still acting like my arguments were some massive conspiracy? Using the words "truth" and "lying" in the context of D1 mafia is quite ridiculous. What do you know about the truth anyway? Or what do you know about me lying or not? Where did I lie? What's this "truth" that you claim to know? Townspeople do not have any information, as such we are forced to try and interpret people's motivations and intentions. We can't base our arguments on true information until we actually get some(flips, blue confirms, etc.). I'm keeping my eye on you, but for now I'll let it slide as poor wording since you have been showing pretty pro-town behaviour with regards to the rest of the game. No. It is not ridiculous to talk about truth or lying. You misrepresented or straight up lied about events in the thread which are verifiable . It was posted in the thread where you lied. The truth is that Z- Boson never pushed Kush. and you said that he did. This was explained to you. I would think you were just not reading the thread but I find that doubtful. Towns people have a ton of info already. Stop presenting your subjective arguments and assumptions as more than what they are: useless. Honestly. For all you complain and talk about not focusing on Kush and looking for other scum reads, and despite promising to do so. All you have done is defend someone defending Kush. Soft defend Kush. And post a terrible case on Z -Boson that made yourself look scummier than it made him look. On top of all this your recent argument on voting numbers is WIFOM. Stop complaining about other people scum hunting and do some yourself. | ||
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On September 29 2012 19:41 Alsn wrote: 1) I went back through his filter and checked, I didn't realise he never pushed kush. That being said, that was never part of my case against him anyway. The only time I even mention that is when I'm trying to show why a hypothetical scenario of everyone tunnelling kush is bad. But I'll admit that I was wrong about him attacking kush. If that's the only "lie" you think I committed then I consider this matter closed. There needs to actually be intent when lying, speaking an untruth is only a lie if you know that it's an untruth. 2) I am, I just haven't posted my findings yet because I'm not sure enough about anything so chill the fuck out. At least look at some time stamps before you go all aggro. You are the only one getting riled up here. You are far too defensive towards some light pushing. All you do is argue semantics. Like every time I get into these anti town discussions with you take little unimportant things and turn them into walls of text that don't even matter. So you say you said something that you had no idea was true or not? and presented it as a fact. That is a lie regardless if you come back later and state it was a 'mistake'. It is not up to us to go back through the thread and check everything you say out because you keep making 'mistakes'. So either you are not reading the thread properly before posting your diatribe or you are misrepresenting and stretching things to make a case. or both. Seriously. If you are town shape up your posting please. On September 29 2012 19:48 Alsn wrote: EBWOP: And just to point it out I can't for the life of me find where exactly it was explained to me that I said something that wasn't true. So unless you can quote me where exactly someone pointed out that I lied about BosoN attacking kush, by your own definition, you are lying too. It is there. Read the thread. On September 29 2012 20:02 Alsn wrote: EBWOP again: Just realized it, WIFOM what? How the hell is my analysis of the vote numbers WIFOM. It's logical that from the point of view of a townie that has voted, the only way kush is scum, is if me and Lesrah are scum too. It's simple math. Given that I have more information than all the townies that have voted so far(I know my own alignment), I can of course conclude that there must be scum that voted for kush, regardless if kush is scum or not. So could Lesrah if he turns out to be town(but as things are looking now, he will probably be replaced/modkilled so he wouldn't participate in this lynch regardless). Do you even know what WIFOM is? I did not arbitrarily keep arguing back and forth, I made a logical conclusion from the information available. Yes I know what WIFOM means. YOu obviously just fail to understand how it applies. But I forgive you. It is WIFOM because scum could say if we all vote kush then it will look like he is town. Because why would scum ever bus their team mate day one? It also assumes that a.) You are town and B.) that scum are not bussing. Those are both stupid assumptions for anyone here to make. But more importantly why are you so invested in saving kush? in arguing semantics and crapping up the thread with everything but scum hunting? I already have a FoS on you. and it stands  also. I am tempted to think your posting style is just your personality. But arguing over every slight detail, not reading the thread properly. Misrepresenting things and speaking 'untruths' are all anti-town. | ||
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On September 28 2012 23:30 Z-BosoN wrote: @Alsn Reading your trade-off with DP and your cases against me, I find two things: a) You have a tendency to heavily misinterpret posts and intentions, AND use them as arguments. b) You say you like Logic, but you don't seem to read carefully enough. Logic with information is useless. I mean this, especially in the part where you said I was calling kush out along DP, which is clearly a lie. For the love of God, if you are town, don't keep this up. I understand we are still in day one and we don't have much to go on, but still. The last thing I need is another austincc that will warp everything I say in a "scum would do this" way. Seems Like Z - Boson was right in this point. | ||
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On September 30 2012 10:37 debears wrote: @DP Alsn and Corrosion are your other two im betting. I'm making a case on both, with corrosion first. 1/2 | ||
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On September 30 2012 11:28 Z-BosoN wrote: DP, I don't see how that's hardly any helpful. Also, did you forget this? What made you change your mind? + Show Spoiler + Ok,ok, I can't resist a guessing game. My guts tell me omniscient Yeah. I agree it's not really helpful. But I am bored. and it is night. But no it's not Omniscient. Want me to reveal? and you know, be pro town? | ||
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I Think Corrosion made a mistake. With not reading the context of my filter properly. He seems like a newbie so I am willing to be lenient on him for that. he also seemed to be genuinely trying to scum hunt. Furthermore, My 2 top scum reads immediately jumped on corrosion after the Kush flip. Now people talked about kush who was on his last newbie (just like Z - Boson and myself) being an easy target. But if anyone is an easy target it is corrosion who is on his first game and made a pretty easy mistake. | ||
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On September 30 2012 12:03 Z-BosoN wrote: Djoref seems pretty townie to me, so that only leaves RSC I haven't gone over his filter carefully enough yet. I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss corrosion, but atm I have a neutral read of him. Anyways, gonna go through debears case first. Wow. How could you have a town read on Djo and not a town read on Remedy? I am blown away. | ||
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On September 30 2012 12:05 Z-BosoN wrote: Also, DP, I wouldn't count on you being dead I think you are too obvious a choice to get saved by a medic as well, mafia would be taking a huge risk Yeha if we have a medic they should save me 100%. | ||
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I am about to start going over the main points against each of them. So expect me back with something substantial in the next few hours. | ||
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