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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 00:59 GMT
#149
On September 28 2012 09:55 kushm4sta wrote:
Sorry but it's something in me I can't help myself but antagonize people like you.

And my nk comment is it not true?


You are hardly antagonizing me. But no, it is not true. Firstly, if you were town you are not getting night killed. There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 01:08 GMT
#151
On September 28 2012 09:58 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I am not against policy talk but that first post where you talk policy was also scummy as hell.


Why was that scummy? You say something that you know, since you've been watching me like a creeper, would piss me off, then you vote for me for responding to it.

So why was my policy talk scummy? You didn't even mention that in your vote post.


Here you go buddy

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:

I have been told many times I have a "scummy meta." Not really fair since last game I did roll scum so I didn't really get a chance to show improvement in my town play. I'm working on it guys.


Apologetic and excusing scummy play before the game has really begun. Intrinsic guilt and belief that you will come across as scum. Not a townie trait at all.

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:
This is my 4th newbie game so I'm experienced as possible to play in this game. Also I think rolling scum last game will help my reads greatly. I know how those fuckers think.


Needlessly aggressive and otherwise irrelevant. Hinting you are town which is something scum worry about doing but townies are less inclined to do.

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Everyone say how you feel about lurker policy.
I take kind of a middle of the ground stance. I mean if you have like 3 lurkers obviously you shouldn't waste 3 nights killing them off 1 by 1. If I think someone is scummy than I vote for that person. If I don't have any good scumreads then I will be in favor of lynching a lurker.
Usually what seems to happen is town can't decide so they bandwagon on some lurker at the last second. I'm not against this since it keeps pressure on possible scum.
I don't like people to say oh we are definitely lynching a lurker d1, because then scum feels safe as long as they are somewhat active.
My willingness to lynch a lurker decreases as the game progresses. For example I think lynching a lurker d3 is really bad.


Policy talk that says very little yet makes it seem like you want to contribute. Null tell at best but doesn't look great in the context of your post.

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Message to scum:
I can smell you.


Once again. Hinting you are town in your first post.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 01:09 GMT
#152
On September 28 2012 10:02 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:59 DarthPunk wrote:
On September 28 2012 09:55 kushm4sta wrote:
Sorry but it's something in me I can't help myself but antagonize people like you.

And my nk comment is it not true?


You are hardly antagonizing me. But no, it is not true. Firstly, if you were town you are not getting night killed. There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town.


that was 100% flame. now you are just insulting my play


Not insulting or flaming. But that NK thing is scummy on it's own and even worse as it's part of your scum meta.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 01:36 GMT
#154
So is everyone just going to drop their welcome posts and then afk?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 01:54 GMT
#157
On September 28 2012 10:37 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 10:08 DarthPunk wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 28 2012 09:58 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:53 DarthPunk wrote:
Also I am not against policy talk but that first post where you talk policy was also scummy as hell.


Why was that scummy? You say something that you know, since you've been watching me like a creeper, would piss me off, then you vote for me for responding to it.

So why was my policy talk scummy? You didn't even mention that in your vote post.


Here you go buddy

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:

I have been told many times I have a "scummy meta." Not really fair since last game I did roll scum so I didn't really get a chance to show improvement in my town play. I'm working on it guys.


Apologetic and excusing scummy play before the game has really begun. Intrinsic guilt and belief that you will come across as scum. Not a townie trait at all.

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:
This is my 4th newbie game so I'm experienced as possible to play in this game. Also I think rolling scum last game will help my reads greatly. I know how those fuckers think.


Needlessly aggressive and otherwise irrelevant. Hinting you are town which is something scum worry about doing but townies are less inclined to do.

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Everyone say how you feel about lurker policy.
I take kind of a middle of the ground stance. I mean if you have like 3 lurkers obviously you shouldn't waste 3 nights killing them off 1 by 1. If I think someone is scummy than I vote for that person. If I don't have any good scumreads then I will be in favor of lynching a lurker.
Usually what seems to happen is town can't decide so they bandwagon on some lurker at the last second. I'm not against this since it keeps pressure on possible scum.
I don't like people to say oh we are definitely lynching a lurker d1, because then scum feels safe as long as they are somewhat active.
My willingness to lynch a lurker decreases as the game progresses. For example I think lynching a lurker d3 is really bad.


Policy talk that says very little yet makes it seem like you want to contribute. Null tell at best but doesn't look great in the context of your post.

On September 28 2012 06:11 kushm4sta wrote:
Message to scum:
I can smell you.

Once again. Hinting you are town in your first post.


Thank you. now why you didn't do that at first I don't know. Instead you engaged in this flame war with me for really no reason.

About my first post, yeah it was meant as mostly irrelevant. Just an introduction so people could get to know me.
I prob should not bring this up but let me just say I have an unkilled undefeated streak atm. 3 games played and I have yet to die and yet to lose. Therefore, for perhaps selfish reasons, I have a strong will to self survival.


Self preservation is a mafia trait. If you are green, a night kill is the best you can hope for. It means you are pressuring scum and that they view you as a threat. It means you are playing well. I have followed all your games and while it is true that you are on an unkilled undefeated streak that means absolutely nothing.


On September 28 2012 10:37 kushm4sta wrote:
I want people to know that I have a scummy meta so they don't lynch me for it.
Apparently you were ready to lynch me in all 3 games even though I was town in 2 of them. I want to avoid that.


So you want people to know that if you play scummy that you aren't scum. Please. You said the exact same thing last game and you were scum. If you don't play want to get lynched. Don't play scummy. Making excuses for scummy play and hiding behind your meta is a major liability regardless of your alignment.

On September 28 2012 10:37 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 10:09 DarthPunk wrote:
There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town.


So that wasn't an insult or a flame? You are saying I've never been nk because scum doesn't see me as a threat because I am bad. That's the real talk translation.


Not an insult or a flame. Just a statement on how ridiculous you expecting to get night killed is. You claimed blue day one and still didn't die. Why would you ever expect to get night killed? The night kill post was scummy as hell. It implied (once again) that you were town. and that you had somehow baited my FoS on you intentionally.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 02:27 GMT
#163
So every scummy thing you say is a joke? You are just using that as an excuse to back out of things you have already said. But Wait. There is more SCUM

On September 28 2012 11:22 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 11:09 Djodref wrote:
@Kush

thank you now I won't be nk


Was it also a joke ?
How can you be so sure you are not going to be NKed ?

Because the most active townie is tunneling me? Obviously I'm not going to be nk.


How do you know I am town? You are SCUM
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 02:36 GMT
#165
On September 28 2012 11:34 debears wrote:
@Darthpunk

Do you have links to all your previous games?

I see validity in your points. However, I need to see how you've played before. You are coming off really strong really early.

and @Kush

Tunneling does not mean only looking at the people under pressure. It means that we should only post cases with substance at that point. Someone going off tangent on some stupid duck hunt with no reason and distracting the attention of the town is bad at that point. If you do feel suspicious of someone but don't have a good case, just keep it on word and save it for when evidence does come out.


Yes. I will link you them momentarily. However, Kush just scum slipped hard. I cannot believe you aren't commenting on that.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 02:41 GMT
#167
My previous games.

NMM XXII Godfather

NMM XXIV Cop

TL Mafia LVII Roleblocker
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 02:44 GMT
#168
On September 28 2012 11:39 debears wrote:
As I said, I want a quick look at you first. Second, there isn't much more to add to what you said about it. It does give off the impression of extra information.


The Impression of extra information?!?!? He called me townie despite me tunnelling him. Townies naturally are suspicious of everyone. Especially so when they are being tunnelled. But he is certain I am town. He knows I am town because he is scum.

Honestly.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 04:00 GMT
#172
On September 28 2012 12:54 Djodref wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2012 09:59 DarthPunk wrote:
Firstly, if you were town you are not getting night killed. There is a reason that you have never been night killed, even when you claimed JK day one. Secondly, you are not getting night killed because you are not town.


@DarthPunk
Could you detail the reason you think Kush has never been NKed in the games he rolled town ?

I found the quoted part a little illogical.



How is it Illogical? He claimed Jailkeeper and the scum team still didn't kill him because he looked scummy.

Scum will rarely kill scummy townies as they are an easy mislynch and a huge liability at MYLO/LYLO.

That is why him saying I won't be night killed now is ridiculous, as even if he were town, he would not be night killed playing this way.

But that is not the reason he said it regardless he is saying it to imply that he is town and to explain all his scummy posts as a plan to survive. It is a Ruse that he used in his last scum game, and he is using it again. Kush is Scum. His scum slip sealed the deal.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 04:46 GMT
#175
On September 28 2012 13:27 Djodref wrote:
It's a little illogical because you are saying that he looks scummy as town or as scum and yet you are able to make the difference between and scummy town Kush and a scummy scum Kush.
I also read through the last Newbie Mini Mafia games and I must agree he didn't mention night kills so much when he was town iirc.
I'm looking forward his explanations about his town read on you and I hope more people can give their opinion about your case on Kush.
As I was also reading the game where you were mafia roleblocker and I saw your ability to flame with Shiaopi, I'm not buying it yet.


I am not flaming Kush. I am legitimately scum hunting. The contrast in this situation, to the one with shiao, are so stark that there is no point even bringing it up. You will know when I am flaming when you see it, and even then it is not really that big a scum tell. I can tell the difference between Scummy town and actual scum, and it is not 'illogical' to be able to do this. Kush right now is not scummy town. He has slipped HUGELY. He is conforming to his previous scum meta. Seriously...

There is no explanation for his town read on me. The only reason he would say that is if he was scum.




"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 04:54 GMT
#177
On September 28 2012 13:24 debears wrote:
@darthpunk

You could also say that you are too convinced in your reasons. What I am cautious of at this point is that you stated directly before the game that you were after kush if he plays like he has in his past 3 games. I feel like that may be clouding your judgement in this situation.

Our main goal is to lynch mafia. Yes, kush has said some scummy things. However, I'm not gonna go around parading this early saying "kush is scum. Kush is scum. OMFG".

Also, let the man defend himself instead of trying to rally everyone active behind your cause so early. If he is scummy, the votes will come.


He scum slipped. All the things that you are telling me to stop doing are pro town buddy. You are being pretty anti-town right now.

My judgement is not clouded. If I wanted to policy lynch Kush I would call it a policy lynch. I am not policy lynching kush. He slipped, BADLY. He has posted in an extremely scummy fashion. He is clearly scum. The reason I am convinced

Your posting begs the question. Why are you soft defending Kush?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 05:37 GMT
#179
On September 28 2012 14:26 Z-BosoN wrote:
@debear

Have you ever heard about instigating discussion? You know, getting people to talk?
I don't like how you defended SDM. You stated your views on lurkers, so that means you must agree that this type of discussion has some validity:

Show nested quote +
-- snip --
Also, I would like everyone to start considering a lurker (in your head) once we hit the second 24 hours as a backup. If we get close to the lynch deadline, and there are no scummy candidates, feel free to post a good case on which lurker would be the best candidate.


Yet, you don't address SDM's blatant "I don't give a crap about policy lynch discussion's" stance? Seems rather odd to me.
##FoS debears


What do you think of my case on Kush?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 05:54 GMT
#181
On September 28 2012 14:43 debears wrote:
@darth

When did I say stop going after him? I said wait for him to respond.

You can be convinced he's scum, but you're making a huge deal out of it early in the game. multiple red texts with the word scum. Got your point.

I'm not defending him as much as I'm trying to tell you that you are going overboard right now. You don't have to rush in annointing him scum.

@z-boson

If you haven't realized yet, I played with SDM last game. I know where he stands with lurker policy. If you haven't noticed, darth doesn't like them either. Why? Cuz they usually go nowhere fast.

Why are you so focused on lurker discussion when there are other things going on?

Nice FOS btw. I make a case on you and you fail to respond to half of it.


You were soft defending him and now you are back flipping on it. You are being incredibly wishy-washy on someone whom has slipped blatantly.

I have an almost guaranteed scum day one. Then you soft defend him and post walls of text on two other people. I am not going overboard at all. Why are you trying so hard to put the brakes on this? I am not going overboard at all. That is just silly.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 05:56 GMT
#182
Sorry for spelling errors etc. I am posting while in-between LOL que's
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 05:59 GMT
#183
##FOS: Debears
Yeah, Your entire interaction in regards to the kush case and slip is suspicious as all hell.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 06:31 GMT
#186
On September 28 2012 15:22 Djodref wrote:
@DarthPunk

For your information, i consider the comments of debears on my posts legitimate. Let me say that I even don't like them. Currently reading the guides and older game analysis.


Thats not the point. The point is we have caught scum almost certainly and debears then soft defends Kush and posts 2 cases which are far weaker. Also. Bad posting does not always equate to scum and vice versa.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 06:42 GMT
#188
Z-Boson. What are your thoughts on Kush?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 11:54 GMT
#196
So. Without a wall of text. What exactly is your case on Z- Boson?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
September 28 2012 12:13 GMT
#200
On September 28 2012 20:21 Alsn wrote:
you essentially say that he should have kept his mouth shut instead of calling you out


Where does he 'essentially say this'
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