EPTOn September 17 2012 03:08 austinmcc wrote:
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On September 17 2012 20:58 marvellosity wrote: Before this starts - gonna try to be somewhat less posty and more thinky this game. Let's see if I succeed. making excuses for not posting already, scum right here | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? well this is a lie already, what is it with people lieing on there first post? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874 You hosted a game he was in. More MKFUBA games if you want + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:28 prplhz wrote: their* So I am lying or what? I mean, I am not lying unless you think I am perfectly aware who mkfuba07 is yet claims not to be, is that the case? Maybe you can actually explain to me who he is instead of coming up with a silly list that's readily available to me as well if I just go into his profile. I can do that on my own thank you very much. Thanks for the grammar lesson. Yes, I think if you hosted a game with the player was in it you would have an idea who he was. You asked about him clearly stating `there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is` in reference to MKfuba. Well, you sure made it seem like you were too lazy to find anything about him since you asked the thread about him. The only game I played with him was deathnote, he was active enough, but just seemed to sheep and not lead his own cases. Mostly a commentator. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:32 iamperfection wrote: I randomly suggest a lynch of Marvelosity. Your guys thoughts? Well you have no basis right now to think he``s scum, so how does this idea make any sense. Town wins by killing all the scum. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:40 Hapahauli wrote: Policy lynching one of the best town players day 1 =/= good idea. Like I'm all for policy lynching marv if he's alive past Night 3 (he's basically an auto N1/N2 NK for mafia if he's town), but that's about it. I propose a less-randomly decided lynch against iamperfection. Thoughts? These are the kinda thoughts you keep in your head. Mafia purposely keeps marv alive, for a totally WIFOM, end game cause of what you said. Explain why you think iamperfection is mafia because of that post. No random lynches. | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:50 Blazinghand wrote: Hey pudding-munchers stop arguing about that and read my case I read it. It seems like you played with him alot and can really differentiate between his scum and town. It's not the most for sure case of all time, but the post felt scummy to me as soon as I read it and even moreso when I realized he hosted a game with MKfuba in it. He's the scummiest player so far. Iamperfection seems like noobie, why would mafia out themselves like that, also I think he is bitter because of his history with marv. ##vote: prplhz Blazinghand what do you think of hapa immediately coming to prplhz defence? + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:35 Hapahauli wrote: Hai gais! Good to be back in a mini so I can actually keep track of people more closely =) Prplhz isn't exactly the most attentive host... I was in that game, and he basically forgot to make the last nightpost for a couple of hours. I wouldn't expect him to remember half the players in that game tbh =P Also what do you think of this clear contradiction from prplhz: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 06:07 prplhz wrote: hey guys please no unnecessary bullshit it's perfectly possible to play the game without that and it only serves to make the game harder to read there are a couple of people around i have no idea who is, can anybody explain to me who mkfuba07 is? | ||
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On September 18 2012 06:55 austinmcc wrote: <3 everyone at all, but you need to look further. He's generally not being killed off for supersexy scumhunting, but because he comes off as very townie and is generating a lot of discussion/activity from others. His early reads, although I haven't read recent games, are not generally a big threat to mafia. I don't know how anyone can munch on pudding. I DO kind of like that observation. It feels almost TOO obvious but...man it's kind of damning. TOO obvious, as in more obvious than Mattchew in LVII? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=14#261 Nothing, can be TOO obvious. Thats like saying you don't think someone is scum, because there TOO scummy. Stop waffling, either you think its scummy or you think its not. Don't say things like "kind of like" and "TOO obvious but damning", your all over the place bro. | ||
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On September 18 2012 07:07 Blazinghand wrote: I literally sampled every game he's played in the last 3 months. If you think he's so damn town either argue from this dataset, or increase it, or present another case. I do, however, agree with you that scum may try to bus him. Dudes jumping on his case without explanations as townies are A) letting scum do the same thing and skate by and B) setting themselves up for mislynches. If you have a reason to be for or against his lynch, STATE IT. As town you should have no reason to fear thinking openly and logically. Hapa is right (on this particular issue). I did explain it, I found his first post scummy and your case was just some icing on the scum. It's literally an hour in the game, there is no such thing as voting too early. If anything it's going to generate more discussion that can be looked into more later. But I agree on austinmcc being hard to tell what hes getting at as I pointed out, which seems scummy as he usually is very articulate in his posts and has a clear meaning for posting them. | ||
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On September 18 2012 07:46 Hapahauli wrote: Alas! Austinmcc is at work so we won't be hearing from him for a while. One other post did catch my eye though: Holy wishy-washy post batman! Let's follow the logic: 1) First post is scummy and case makes prplhz scummier! 2) No such thing as voting too early! (errr... where did that come from? making excuses already?) 3) But eh... it will generate discussion and we'll look more into it later. (oh? thought prplhz was very scummy to you? awfully passive for such a strong read on him) 4) Holy freggin wishy-washy opinion on austinmcc. 1) Yeah first post was scummy and it fits the meta analysis aka best case atm. How is accusing people scummy? 2) I said no such thing as voting too early is because a lot of people think they have to wait till last minute to vote especially on day 1, and usually a bad consolidation happens. Voting earlier will just bring up more cases throughout the day. 3) Nothing to do with one another. 4) How is calling someone scummy wishy washy. I don't follow your logic. But I guess it's your thing to jump on me day 1s lol. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote: you case on prplhz is shit. a fucking meta case on 1 post come on. Although i dont think that was the point of your case i think the purpose was to drive discussion which it has done. Kudos to you. The purpose of my random lynch was an attempt to drive some discussion. I had already discussed with marv after my previous game in which palmar suggested a random lynch in order to drive discussion on day 1. Thats why i find it extremely wierd that marv didnt think it was random when i had already spoken with him that i would do it in my next game. I say we respect his wishes. ## Vote Marvelosity Well, that means it isn't random because it was pre-meditated and thought out. Sooo, yeah. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:37 iamperfection wrote: Believe it or not it did randomly come out as marv. oh I thought your meant you told marv you would be voting for him specifically in the next game. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:54 Hapahauli wrote: Well tbh, you could make that entire chart red - I lynched goodkarma in one game because I thought his play was "too clean" =P But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. | ||
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I understand you just went through all my filter, and basically resaid the things I posted. I don't see how it makes me scum, and adding SCUM! at the end doesn't make it make me scummy lol. In the future when making a case, you should outline how the quotes make the person scum and not re-iterate what the post says. Can't say much more now since I'm at work. | ||
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On September 18 2012 22:57 Bluelightz wrote: Why do you have to point fingers on everyone and your now pushing Hapa but voting prplhz? If you want to know my best scum read, check who I'm voting, that will be it. I'm not pushing Hapa, I'm asking him to explain his reasoning more. Don't purposely misinterpret me, don't you see how far that got Zephridd with his case on Hapa? I'm allowed to pressure other players while voting another player. There is more than 1 scum in this game ya know. I would say the only other person I remotely pressured so far would be austinmcc's scummy indecisiveness. | ||
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On September 18 2012 23:56 marvellosity wrote: Because prplhz has at least done *something* and HiroPro hasn't? Wouldn't by the same logic you would have MKFuba in there? On September 18 2012 23:54 Ange777 wrote: @iamperfection: Saying Zeph defended you by accusing your accuser is a stretch. Why wouldn't you accuse Mementoss instead who actually did defend you? Why did you purposely leave Palmar's name out when you clearly quoted him "defending" iamperfection in the same fashion I did in your own post before? Seen below: + Show Spoiler + On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote: @Palmar: Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points. | ||
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On September 19 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote: I commented on fuba already, if you care to read my posts. The point with Hiro is that he posted several times but without any substance whatsoever. I am reading your posts, basically it says, MKFuba is doing the exact same thing as Hiro but I know him IRL so I'll focus on HiroPro, is this not correct? | ||
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On September 19 2012 00:07 Bluelightz wrote: Memen: Aren't you just deflecting pressure onto mkfuba? If you want to answer like that at least explain to me why it's the same, oh and answer my question. Read the thread I answered your questions. And please take off scum shaded glasses everytime you talk to me, I'm not deflecting pressure onto mkfuba, I'm getting verification from Marv, why he is biased towards one lurker over the other. On September 19 2012 00:07 marvellosity wrote: Incorrect, fuba basically hadn't posted AT ALL, whereas Hiro *was* posting, but what he was posting was worthless. How do you not see the distinction? Well what really caught my eye was Fuba's first post. On September 18 2012 09:39 mkfuba07 wrote: So what are we actually supposed to gain from this random voting? o.O A shit load has already happened in the thread, and this is the ONLY thing he thinks is worth commenting on? Looks pretty fishy to me. I understand hes at school now and will expect more from him tonight. Fuba was in teh thread last night and decided to not say anything except the above. I agree with you that HiroPro hasn't said anything towards finding scum, or anything that helps at all really. But sadly this seems like typical HiroPro meta. Even though it's 'typical' HiroPro it's not to be excused, and I definitely would ask him to step it up. It just seems weird that you would bias one over the other. | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote: Palmar is being awful he should die he read my alignment correctly in NMM3 and I refuse to believe he'd so arbitrarily get it so wrong here straight OMGUS, deal with it Just because he read you in one game correctly means he should always he it right? The only way he would know your alignment for sure would be if he was scum. I don't see any town motivation from this post.. not convinced on the original thoughts against why you would be scum, but the reaction sure has made me think you may be scum. If you are town, get it together man. | ||
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On September 19 2012 07:16 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm back from classes. Never really sure where to hop in when I've been gone for so long. Guess I'll just start by saying that I'd much prefer that we not lynch me today. Such a lynch would be a mistake. Anyway, @prplhz - current feelings on Ange777? Is she still on your list or has she been completely replaced by marv? A good place to start would be who do YOU want to lynch and explain why. | ||
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On September 19 2012 07:20 mkfuba07 wrote: Oh, and Mementoss, would you like my to try to explain why my first post was as... limited as it was? I haven't yet simply because it's really not all that enlightening, and my explanation is unlikely to convince you of anything. But if you'd like an explanation I'm willing to give one. No I don't particularly care, now that your here your future posts will give me more insight to your alignment. | ||
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On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote: No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. I can see marvs logic behind it, but I think he just worded it in a way that seems really scummy. Than the rest of the case is based on marv's emoitions/change of play, but from my experience playing with players like VE I know this emotional case isn't alignment indicative. It also bothers me how players with no opinions at all in the game thus far when Palmar first brought up Marv, were all for voting marv. Before Palmar presented a more polished/convincing case. That being said there is something I want to point out. The odd connection between MKFuba and Marv all game. They have been buddy buddy from the start, from Marv purposely leaving Fuba out of his lynching useless lurkers discussing, to Marv defending MKFuba, to MKfuba discrediting the case on Marv, to being very VAGUE and calling it interesting, to MKFuba and Marv both trying to push an austinmcc lynch. (With Mkfuba being consistent on it all game, and marv just recently bringing it up) On September 19 2012 00:07 marvellosity wrote: Incorrect, fuba basically hadn't posted AT ALL, whereas Hiro *was* posting, but what he was posting was worthless. How do you not see the distinction? On September 19 2012 08:03 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm interested in prplhz at the moment. His entire perogative seems to be sharing town reads while inserting witty side comments. Just when he made me think he was going to start contributing more he posts a pointless list of town reads and then votes for marv. Aside from vague assertions of Ange's suspiciousness earlier, and now a weak argument against marv, all prplhz has given us are town reads, which won't catch scum unless he can find all 9 (or however many) of us. I mention Ange because before marv, she was your only "scumread" as far as I can tell. I put it in quotes because I'm not even sure how you felt about her in the first place, aside from the fact that she "looked terrible" and that you wanted to kill her for unknown reasons. I wanted to know what you currently think of her because she's the only person I've seen you be suspicious of aside from marv. On September 19 2012 08:05 mkfuba07 wrote: I'm going to look through marv's filter now, but from what I can tell the case against him is that he found an argument interesting and he got mad at something he found stupid. I feel like both things are consistent with what I know of him. -Never comments again after supposedly going through his filter. -Now the recent sheep from marv from hiropro onto austin without much real reason to. I know connections don't mean anything before flips. And I know mkfuba and marv know eachother IRL. But I thought it was something important to point out. That being said MKfuba seems scum, and if I had more time I would be doing a fully fledged case on him. I would also be really happy with his lynch. Also more to note, this "divided town" thing how is it bad? It seems to me that we caught scum very early in the day 1, and scum is scrambling to put cases on everyone else to get the attention away from prplhz, the votes haven't been coming easy on prplhz despite him being the main discussion of day 1. Hell, he hasn't even reached majority yet this game. He's also had his share of people call him or his posting townie, yet prplhz hasn't really came back to scumhunt. Im outtie till later. Will be back before deadline, may come in for some quick comments before that too. | ||
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On September 20 2012 00:02 austinmcc wrote: *snip* So here's the thing. I don't get the feeling like mementoss is scumhunting. Not in the way that people should be getting that feeling about me, or others that have lurked. I get the feeling like he's been trying to show that he's scumhunting, but that his reactions are entirely wrong for someone who is doing so.
I know that it's shitty to be gone, throw out someone new, vote them, try to switch votes, blah blah. But mementoss is the most scummy person to me. I'd rather vote someone scummy than sheep, although prplhz isn't a pure sheep, he doesn't look great and I was really worried about something Zephirdd mentioned, that mini where he got pinned on D1, claimed cop, and then just sat back all game. Still...mementoss scummier. ##Unvote ##Vote: Mementoss Hapa, you had previous concerns over mementoss. They seem to still be around. How do you feel about his reactions to my TOO obvious post and mkfuba's weird post? marv and palmar, you guys both found me SCUMMY based on that TOO obvious post. How do you feel about mementoss's reaction? Was he just calmer about it, or does it actually feel like he responded in an entirely different way than a town mindset player would? Other folks. Has mementoss done a thing you're happy with? Contributed something you're happy with? I have a little time, should I guess I should address your main points: - I was the first person that I recall pointing out how awkward that first post was, I didn't specifically say it was scummy, but said everything that indicated I thought so. I was looking for another response post from you to see what I could get from there. It eventually came, but it was far later and I didn't get to follow up because I was defending myself at the time. As marv mentioned I didn't say I super pressured you, just applied some to get something out of you. -MKfuba I couldn't care less about what excuse he has for his shitty first post. He could literally post anything, it wouldn't do anything to change my mind or do anything at all. So I wanted him to scum hunt, to see if it was going to be genuine or just a forced sheep attempt. Don't have time to elaborate more on this/him atm. - As I noted, in that post, I didn't really have a conclusion I was just bringing it up while it was in my mind, as it may be useful later, and I'm just gunna post what I see. I don't have an overarching masterplan I just post what I see when I see it. - I voted based on the fact that my gut feeling on prplhz first post was scummy after I found his lie, and just the way it was worded. BH brought more supplemental evidence to show that prplhz meta matched. As the game wore on prplhz has been posting and has had scummy posts, since a majority of the early discussion was on him anyways, I was happy to read/respond/discuss what was going on in the thread so that day 1 wouldn't be a tunnel fest. I'm not going to harp on one player all game when I am already voting him. I think Ange summed up the more recent prplhz scummy posts, and as a whole the scumminess this game. I agree with what she said. It seems like your just trying to make non-scummy things and force them to look scummy. While I got your attention, why don't you answer this... How do you go from voting Prplhz, to saying I would like BL to be lynched to making a case on me within an hour. On September 19 2012 22:41 austinmcc wrote: I have been absent. I am getting this vote into thread because the deadline is coming. I like it better than the other options that MIGHT be legitimate at this point, which seem to be ... just marv? ##Vote: prplhz I think I'd much rather lynch bluelightz, unless there's been any action on that front, but I don't believe that's going to happen. Its not just that you'd rather lynch bluelightz youd MUCH rather. Yet you don't even explain why you think he's scummy or attempt to convince anyone he is scum. Then you spend time making a case on me. What happened to BL, if you'd much rather lynch him why was there no case on him? This time-line makes no sense to me, it makes it seem like your just making up targets as you go, and you don't really care who gets lynched. On that note, where the fuck is bluelightz anyways, or perfection, or HiroPro. Also, why do people keep saying they think prphlz is town without explaining it? All they say is, look big post, big post = cares, cares=town. It makes no sense. And the fact that several people have been doing it, is very strange. The way this prphlz lynch has been going down all day, makes me think he is scum for sure. | ||
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On September 20 2012 01:06 Hapahauli wrote: ##Vote mementoss I'll re-iterate what I said before. Mementoss voted for prplhz early in the game. He never once questioned prplhz, and hasn't mentioned him for well over 24 hours while having his vote on him. This makes no sense from a townie perspective. As for prplhz, I have a townie read on him. Too many people are sheeping his case. Things are coming together too easily. Finally, I don't agree with Ange's case. Ange reads his posts as "useless fluff", and therefore he's scum. I read his posts completely differently, and see a townie who's being open with his suspicions. For example, look how he voted marv, and explicitly stated he had reservations about it. That's not scum behavior. Voting for someone you don't believe is scum = scum behavior. Voting someone while expressing reservations is a cautious townie. What's the point of including that reservations line as scum? It's just as easy to sheep and tunnel marv without any reservations. To me, his "reservations" say that he's open about his reads and mentality. I believe prplhz is town. Please take a look at mementoss's filter. There's nothing townie about it. He seemingly forgot about his suspicions prplhz and has been trying to point fingers since. Like read his filter, he never has a definite scumread and has been fanning the flames of several cases made through the day; astinmcc, mkfuba, and most recently marv. And by too many people are sheeping his case you mean he never reached majority so was never in danger of actually being lynched right? | ||
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On September 20 2012 01:38 iamperfection wrote: Hey mementoss can you explain the bolded part, thanks. Just a reference to this. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836¤tpage=85#1685 | ||
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As for the prplhz defense, I'm less sure now than I was before. Will have to re-read when I get home. | ||
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cool I'd like to point out 3/6 pages of your unhelpful filter right now but I won't also this lol + Show Spoiler + On September 17 2012 20:58 marvellosity wrote: Before this starts - gonna try to be somewhat less posty and more thinky this game. Let's see if I succeed. you failed. At least we have the 7 votes now for the first time since the start of the game. The resistance on this lynch has been incredible all cycle. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote: No, I'm freggin claiming mason because prplhz is going to flip mason 100% Well why did you wait for 6 minutes before the lynch than. It woulda been helpful maybe 4 hours ago. | ||
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On September 20 2012 05:59 austinmcc wrote: C9++ rolls...2 or 3 scum right? You're saying they either out their ENTIRE team or 2/3 of it to save one? could be 2 scum 1 SK | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:07 Hapahauli wrote: Also wasn't planning on prplhz claiming vigi. Bit of an IRC miscommunication there. Oh wellz. Time to re-evaluate some reads in the last few pages. People who honestly thought we were scum after the screwed up claim get some townie points. Yeah you claiming before the flip was good because you confirmed yourself. Prphlhz claiming vig not so good. | ||
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On September 20 2012 07:54 marvellosity wrote: yeah, i don't agree. Since we both have a scum read on MKfuba who would your 2nd best scum read be atm. | ||
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I'd be interested for people's reads on the people that have been really out of the spotlight for the most part: Zephridd Bluelightz HiroPro I'll be back in the morning and dig their filters. | ||
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Bluelightz switch and play is odd, but that is not alignment indicative for him apparently, I have never played with him before. Zephridd had a bad case on Hapa who we now know is confirmed town. But having a bad case or being wrong isn't alignment indicative either. The fact that he mis-intrepreted him however, can be seen as scummy. But Hapa mis-intrepreted me twice, and we know he is town now so I guess it can happen if your town or scum. Look at the way zeph jumps onto prplhz , there is not really a solid reason and it feels kinda awkward. | ||
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On September 21 2012 01:50 Hapahauli wrote: Yeah, like I"m comparing his mentality here to his mentality in some of his other town games. His Normal Mini III play should speak for itself (townie reads on everrrryone), but take one of his posts in GSL Mini for example: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=15#295 He doesn't really tunnel 1 scumread. Gives a townie, null, and slightly scummy read all in one post. There are several posts like that throughout his filter - he rarely takes a hardline "tunnel-y" opinion on someone in that game. Or his first post in GSL: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=365925¤tpage=7#128 He establishes Risen as town when the whole town wants to lynch him. The most recent scumgame I found in his filter was Normal Mini II http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349058&user=235418 He does play a fairly different meta than this game (few very long posts, etc), but I think he's displaying a similar mentality. He's very critical of people's play in his scumgame (as he was with prplzh). He's much more sure of his reads, similar to this game. This could be a trip down meta-confirmationbais lane and I'll have to look more into it, but the mentality IMO is striking. I'd be interested to hear other's thoughts. I would disagree he seemed very unsure of his read on me in the early game this game. | ||
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On September 21 2012 04:31 austinmcc wrote: When Bluelightz posted his case on you, posed a question, then unvoted later, did you feel like he was consistent in his behavior? Entirely independent of your alignment, how did you read Bluelightz vote/unvote? It seemed legit to me, I think he wrote his case came back and realized it was pretty wrong/bad. Then my responses cleared up any doubts he had. | ||
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On September 21 2012 04:49 Hapahauli wrote: Oh and since night deadline is in a couple of hours and I have a commute subject to traffic: Town: Marv (for reasons previously posted) BlazingHand (duh) Zeph (mega confirmation bais vs. me) Null-ish: Ange (:effort: making me lean town on her) mkfuba (leaning town for reasons posted in thread - too open with thought process) Mementoss (null) Hiro (nullz) austinmcc (nullzzzzz) scum: Bluelightz Palmar I'll try to work out some of those null reads before the deadline. Should have a half an hour or so before the deadline to work on things. Could you elaborate more why you think MKfuba is town? I think the fear he has with posting openly has clearly painted him scum. | ||
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On September 21 2012 04:53 Hapahauli wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=37#736 Before he made that post on austin though he made a much weaker one, his filter generally gives me a feel of him being scared to post then deciding to post later. The post on me was a different way of wording what other people have already said. Hard to tell though. | ||
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On September 21 2012 04:56 austinmcc wrote: Okay. Any posts you can link to back those thoughts up? Specifically the him realizing it was wrong/bad and what responses cleared things up. Trying to see that interaction from all angles, although he doesn't seem to <3 responding to things. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=11#203 then there is more if you read through to the next page | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:33 Zephirdd wrote: nobody cared about my palmar post mesad TT maybe im biased since it was defending me but I think you were too critical on many factors, Marv was harping him all game about not explaining things and I think he explained himself pretty good there. Also about the dead people it's true that people should pay more attention to them, but not completely rely on it. I guess is what I'm saying is I don't agree with almost any of your post lol. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:39 marvellosity wrote: basically he tried to explain the little things, but all the major stuff got left untouched or badly explained. Not sure how you don't see this. Maybe its cause so many people are trying to show how every sentence he ever said in this game is scummy. And with you I'm not going to be able to trust your read on Palmar cause you've been looking at him very scum biased since the game started. You got the blinders on and only can see scum motivation from everything he says, look at it from both sides, and not insta post insult posts immediately after. I can see where he is coming from with that post. It also makes sense for town Palmar to not play to full Palmar potential on Day 1 cause he wants to avoid getting shot and make better reads when he has a lot more information on day 2. The only legit point you have is him not explaining his scum reads right now. I definitely expect him to really up his game scumhunting in day 2. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:51 Zephirdd wrote: Mementoss, on a completely unrelated note. What do you think of iamperfection? null leaning town, I haven't re-read his filter recently but I've felt this way since his first post. But I do think hes anti-town/useless | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:52 Mementoss wrote: null leaning town, I haven't re-read his filter recently but I've felt this way since his first post. But I do think hes anti-town/useless wadda you think bro | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:57 Zephirdd wrote: so he is null, leans town and is anti-town? Jesus christ when someone asks you a question at least open his filter and form a proper opinion -_-' While you're at it, can you link me where you give your opinion on mkfuba(or just tell me)? anti-town has nothing to do with alignment, and null on the townier side. What do you think of Perfection? I will go through his filter and everyone elses better day 2. | ||
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Leader of da Band ![[image loading]](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/500/26900547/James+Hetfield+James+Seattle.jpg) James Hetfield - One of the greatest frontmen of all time Sup I'm the leader of da band. When I initially got this role my strategy was to wait until night 3 to shoot, because that is when I always die and I confirmed the shot would still go through. I wanted to do this because I thought it would increase my odds a lot to hit scum. Night 1 Odds 1/11 ( 1 Dead 1 Me) Night 2 Odds 1/8 (4 Dead 1 me) Night 3 Odds 1/5 (7 dead 1 me) But this relied on too much assumptions. Not ever lynching scum, not getting role blocked, mafia shots going through ever night etc. Why I decided to shoot tonight: Well I felt quiet a bit of pressure throughout a lot of day 1 from probably 4ish players. Throughout the night phase people were still discussing their reads on me and I didn't really like that. Not because I thought I would be lynched day 2, but because I think it wastes a lot of potential time hunting actual scum. Also, I thought my shot could give a solid stance on the person I shot and time wouldn't be wasted on discussing their lynch. Basically to get town on good track to a scum lynch day 2. How I decided who to shoot and who I shot: Who I Couldn't shoot: Marv Palmar Hapa BH Why? Pretty simple, I don't want my shot to stack and they are pretty popular targets tonight imo. So that limits it down a little. Too null to shoot: Ange IamPerfection Zephridd Too null for me to shoot. In Ange's case I think she can be really useful to the town if shes town, and if shes scum I think we will have enough posts to analyse to take her down. I actually considered shooting Iamperfection, just for the fact that I don't want his random shit around anymore I don't want him around at lylo situation. But I decided against it, despite what people say I still think he wouldn't quiet have the balls to bring that much attention to himself as a noob scum. Zephridd is same case as Ange, I think if hes scum he posts enough that he will fuck up and we can lynch him. Who I really considered shooting in order of most to least: MKFuba HiroPro BL MKfuba, though slightly more active than the other 2 has really caught my eye as scummy from his starting post. Throughout his filter he seems scared to post anything and delays on posting. He picks out easy things to post about. He would likely be part of the day 2 discussion at least in my mind. Hiro, always a hard motherfucker to read imo. I went through his filter and everything seems genuine he's doing his own thing and seems open and honest, glad I read his filter because Im leaning a bit town on him. Bluelightz, from what I've heard you don't really want him around at lylo and his case on me was bad, and I don't think hes going to be able to convince anyone of scum with cases like that. His meta apparently shows that hes more sure and critical as scum and more unsure as town. He seemed unsure on my case but on the prplhz case he seemed really aggressive and very critical and sure. He also has been lurking the hardest so the shot wouldn't be wasted. In the end I went with my gut and shot MKFuba. Now at least tomorrow will be productive I will be confirmed and scumkfuba will be out of the game. If my shot doesn't go through: I was either a) roleblocked, which I will be notified of and its fine, other than it makes me look more scummier than ever or b) I hit SK. If my shot doesnt go through and I was not notified of being role blocked. The lynch 100% needs to be on Mk to kill off the SK who chose night immunity. Thats all folks, my first time being vig and it was pressureful. I hope I hit scum, but at the very least, I hope this will help propel day 2 into an ideal scum hunting atmosphere and a fresh start to the game. TLDR I SHOT MKFUBA Kicked out of the band I googled scum mkfuba and this picture came up + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/C5Z80.jpg) Not sure what it means though. | ||
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On September 18 2012 16:34 Ange777 wrote: Good morning guys!  Catching up now ...The smilely face opener, looking to look innocent, consistent with Ange777 scum meta. Probably won't make sense to any of you but I co-hosted Ange777 first game which she was scum and she opened similar, obviously she played a lot different otherwise cause didnt understand the game as much. Analysis here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332805¤tpage=27#539 The amount of people calling Ange777 town for effort in day 1 is ridiculous. You can put in as much effort as scum as town. And I don't see Ange really doing that much to be honest. Mostly all of her filter is questions. Asking questions is good, but town motivation for asking questions is to make a follow up read and assessment of the answer, scum motivation for asking questions is because 1) its easy 2) it shows your reading the thread and 3) you can incriminate other people with the proper use of a question. No point in me quoting it, but look through the filter, there is more questions than actual analysis or statements. So Ange is really just posting the questions without using the questions to further the analysis. Here is anges first display of scum hunting, the first attempt of the prphlz case: On September 19 2012 04:37 Ange777 wrote: @prplhz: Where is your scum hunting? You have failed to give a reason as for why you'd like to lynch me. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:08 prplhz wrote: I don't really know. Contrary to popular beliefs, being the centre of attention for a little while doesn't entail a plentitude of scum reads. I guess I want to kill Ange777 but I don't really know why. The day is young though. I'm curious about your austinmcc read I felt that this post was pretty townie it seems like he's putting some thought into the game about my alignment. What you think? You seem to be pretty sure of him being scum and I was too until that post so I'm wondering what changed my mind but didn't change yours. You have shut down any discussion regarding Palmar's alignment. On September 19 2012 01:23 prplhz wrote: HiroPro we're not lynching Palmar on day1 on anything other than a scum claim end of story. I'm sure you can see why so find something else to do with your time. You have given another wonderful green townie list. On September 19 2012 02:16 prplhz wrote: Okay guys, I'm going to post a townie list! Green for emphasis! prplhz Blazinghand Palmar iamperfection Hapahauli Mementoss Gonna go read more filters. And you have successfully jumped on marv's bandwaggon. On September 19 2012 02:26 prplhz wrote: hapa too good ##Vote marvellosity Which by the way seems to be based on a ridiculous reason. He had his suspicions about Hiro because of the lack of content not because of suspicious content. So what's wrong with considering Hiro's statement? Instead of finding scum by yourself you have others do the work for you. That's scum motivation. ##Vote: prplhz 1st point is a soft form of OMGUS. You voted me? No explanation? Its not townie like, but no where angie explains why it makes him scum. 2nd point not wanting to lynch palmar day 1 is a pretty common opinion, but for some reason it makes prplhz scum. Again no explanation of scum motives. 3rd point townie list, no explanation why she thinks its scumm 4th point voting marv, no explanation why she thinks its scummy again. This is the only indication ange thinks prplhz is scum, Instead of finding scum by yourself you have others do the work for you. That's scum motivation. But its not really a thought out or extended explanation and again it was said by a lot of people earlier. So overall, she took a target who was already under heat and summed up what everyone in the thread already pointed out, but never explained why she thought it was scummy. Ange's second attempt at finding scum. But wait, its the same.... guy. What. She's basically shovelling the same shit over again. What is the point of doing this as town? Who are you trying to convince really? Prplhz was already the leader by 3 votes at this point, and you aren't bringing anything new to the table. The only motivation of doing this seems to me is scum motivation. Again, easy to fucking write up, trying to hard push the mislynch and no one will say anything because its the popular wagon atm, she doesn't want to have to make bad ties with anyone else this early in the game. Its fucking safe. She knows prplhz is going to get lynched, she doesn't want to make a case on someone else and stand out and possibly piss them off so they make another case on her. There is no reason to remake the case again on the leader of votes as town. There are 2-3 scum or a SK in this game, try hunting elsewhere, bring up new people. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 20:28 Ange777 wrote: [prplhz I still want to lynch prplhz. Despite his recent contributions (giving us his town reads and making a case on marv), I am convinced that he is scum. Yes, he has 2 pages of filter within 1 day cycle which is unlike his scum play in GSL Open. But let's have a closer look at the posts he has made in these 2 pages: Starting post fluff. Complains about people who try to give him information about mkfuba07. Sometimes we get to catch a glimpse of his "scum-hunting" or "prodding": After being called out by several players for his lack of contribution he defends himself: The defense in itself is perfectly fine but what lacks is again an effort in scum-hunting. This is the first time that prplhz comments on other players and gives us a read. While town reads are definitely useful in the process of elimination, a clear scum read is far more preferable and accurate. And yes, being the center of attention does not naturally leave you with tons of scum reads but there must be players which have acted suspiciously. Being up for a lynch yourself will always be an easier situation to judge the people making the cases on you as you know your alignment. Judging players accusing other players has 2 unknown quantities and therefore getting a good scum read out of it should be more difficult. Nice excuse for not reading the thread. Why wouldn't someone read the thread closely? Bullshit is not always just bullshit, it can have town motivation or scum motivation. Is it because you are scum and already know the alignments? There are a lot of useless posts in his filter like: Now let's get to the part where he actually decides to contribute by making cases: So here we have his explanation on why he wants to lynch marv. Basically I see 3 points: 1) Marv promised more thinky posts while posting less in general. But while he definitely has been a more lurky marv than usual he has not fulfilled his promise for thinky posts. While I have to agree that we have not seen much of the new thinky-style marv, it's not like he wasn't to be seen at all. This is a well written and unlike the usual one-liner marv post with a lot of thinking. Yes, there haven't been other posts like this one following it up but soon afterwards was the Palmar/Marv war, it's only reasonable to assume that during a heated discussion you won't write text-wall posts. I am still hoping for the thinky-marv to pop up again now that he seems to have calmed down again but for now, I can't take this argument as a scum indicator. If this continues to go on after day 1 I will reconsider this point again but not now. prplhz' other arguments for scum marv: 2) Town marv would never be convinced by HiroPro's argument. + Show Spoiler + On September 19 2012 01:11 HiroPro wrote: Look at goodkarma's posts and what I've already said about him. Look at the voting in the thread. We have like 6 or 7 candidates each with one vote. That's a recipe for town disaster. And then look at what Palmar comes in and does - he throws three completely new candidates into the mix and doesn't give any real reason for them being scum. He's not trying to actually lead town onto a successful lynch, he's just trying to cause chaos. Why not? I don't like Palmar's style of just giving away all his reads without any single explanation other than to take his word for it. (But apparentely no one else is annoyed by this fact besides me.) I am perfectly fine with discussing new lynch targets but I need to know why someone proposes them to be lynched. 3) The OMGUS vote was due to scum marv being caught. I really dislike OMGUS votes. Because they can be basically everything from town motivated to scum motivated or just plain stupid. And the other problem is you usually can't prove it, the OMGUS voter can simply hide behind the OMGUS motivation. Yes, the OMGUS vote makes marv scummy but it is not enough to convince me into lynching him. This following part makes me really wonder why people are not suspicious of prplhz: So when is it "later"? How do you want to convince us into lynching your allegedly top scum read when you yourself have reservations you are not willing to share with us? prplhz' two pages filter contains a lot of fluff and useless stuff. He has not made much effort in scum-hunting, just some occasionally prodding. He gives himself excuses for not reading the thread closely. His case on marv is really weak. And he is already back-paddling from said case. Scum. I will probably check Palmar's filter once more later, furthermore I want to know where the lurkers like austin, Bluelightz, mkfuba07 and HiroPro have gone. Stop lurking and get in the game. I could go over each point again but read this case and tell me it seems like ange is trying hard to find scum or just pulling posts out of the filter and making commentary. Honestly if you spun this exact case the right way, it could be made against half the people in the game. Its not about scum motivation or scummy behaviour again, its based on what ange sees as non town like behaviour, or I wouldnt play like this as town behaviour. Pointing out things like fluff and town reads is all find and dandy, but why does it make him scum. "I agree with austinmcc's case that Mementoss does not follow up his questions. I have to read through his filter once more though to give a final stance on him." I found this pretty ironic, as 75% of anges filter is questions, and barely any are used to be analysed or actually assessed. They are just for the sake of being active and being townie. Town usually has a purpose in their mind behind the questions, scum already knows the answers and questions for them are just to look townie. On September 20 2012 04:39 Ange777 wrote: Can someone please link me to the latest case against austin? If I remember correctly marv started the case but retracted part of it due to the recent improved posting of austin. This is pretty ironic as well, as anges whole case on prplhz is that he is too lazy to hunt scum himself and is trying to get people to do the work for him. On September 20 2012 05:15 Ange777 wrote: Okay, so I am trying to understand this case against austin. SNIP Why does him posting a very poor first explanation before delivering a satisfying reasoning for his behaviour makes him lose "townieness"? Shouldn't the fact that he made such a bad explanation make him more townie as apparentely he was not worried about defending himself when he first made that post? Seeing his recent vastly improved posting (especially his defense and scum-hunting whilst under pressure) I don't think austin is scum. This defense on austin is very weird and stuck out to me as soon as I read it. Just because you get more active, doesn't eliminate the fact that you have a post that was scummy. The fact that he posted a poor explanation to start can't make him more townie, it means he wasn't being honest and writing from his mind. He was writing to prove his innocence rather than just state what he was doing. If he couldn't do it the first time it means he had to actively think about his defense, something a town player posting openly wouldn't do. The fact that I think austinmcc is still scummy isn't helping out ange at all. This poor logic and jumble of words defending austin is really scummy to me. It feels forced. Marv also pointed this out and anges second explanation is just as logically flawed as the first. On September 20 2012 05:40 Ange777 wrote: @iamperfectino: What's this? @marv: My point is that giving a weak explanation fits a town player who should not be scared of being accused as scum. Being town there is no need to write your posts carefully which could lead to a weak first explanation before a satisfying second one. I see your point of view but I don't agree with it. On September 20 2012 05:58 Ange777 wrote: Why are you ninja voting iamperfection??? Only scum would say this. Solely Trying to incriminate iamprefection with the question, when the answer was fucking obvious to anyone and everyone. The conflicting claims when one of them was obviously fake. And it wasn't a ninja vote since there is no voting thread and it was in plain sight. Then there is the trying so hard to be emotional and surprised. Like honestly most of us were surprised, but ange is letting everyone KNOW how surprised she was. Why is this? Cause she already knew the result beforehand. On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote: Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote: Seriously? On September 20 2012 06:04 Ange777 wrote: Claiming mason is so easy and you really waited till the last few minutes to do it? On September 20 2012 06:44 Ange777 wrote: I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now. This isn't much but I think it was obvious that ange77 was going to make another case on the easy player, fuba. Most liekly mashing everything that was already mentioned in the thread all in one neat quote post. CONTRIIBUTINGGG. On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote: Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz". Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. Finally people are starting to take a closer look at palmar? What is this. People were mentioning palmars posts for a good part of day 1. This sentence is just trying to make yourself look good for mentioning you were "suspecting" palmar at one point. Ange saying there is no town motivation for iamperfections play is just ridiculous and its actually the opposite. Ange is trying to incriminate him and put together a case against someone she doesn't find dangerous. Someone that won't come back and call her out. Someone that won't attempt to call her on her shit. Town motivation for switching votes, you thought the claim was fake and ridiculous so you changed your vote to who you thought was scum. Any reasonable town in the thread WOULD make this switch. Scum motivation for making this switch? There is none, why would scum want to last minute switch onto a townie? Why would scum want to out themselves by doing this? He could have easily pretended not to be in the thread. TLDR; 1) People calling ange town for effort and contributing, when ange was never in danger, no reason for this. 2) Ange looks like contributing, but actually just 2 cases on the case that was already made, by people in the thread, actually just asking a ton of questions without a purpose behind the questions 3) Cases don't provide reason why actions are scummy. Seems to be targetting the easiest players, the players that won't come back at her and call her scum, prplhz, >mkfuba > iamperfection. 4) Flawed logic towards austinmcc and iamperfection, to try and paint their alignment the way she wants. Austinmcc defense that makes no sense, Aggressive on iamperfection for voting a scummy action and saying its scum motivation when in no way it is. 5) The smiley face opener 6) Go read you lazy fucker Ange777 the secret it out you are scum ##Vote:Ange777 I also think Austinmcc is still scum, more thoughts on that later hopefully. | ||
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On September 21 2012 10:02 austinmcc wrote: As do I, although I will note that I find it interesting that you and marv are heavily discussing Bluelightz past play and his prplhz case (I agree that it feels like overkill). What i found most odd was the way he switched off mementoss for reasons entirely unrelated to his case. I'm a big fan of multiple players having different reasoning and both arriving on scummy, although I'm still more at concerned about bluelightz than outright scummy. I do wish he'd make good on his requests for questions and actually answer them. As to ange, one level deeper down the rabbit hole is "Ange was around those couple minutes at deadline but not posting in thread because she was busy in scum QT jumping up and down at lucking out and hitting a mason." If we flip her, and she flips scum, it's an interesting time period to look around for absences, although she pops out because of her questioning and then disappearance more than the absence itself. I'd be interested in Palmar's thoughts on ange. She was in prplhz's "scummy" range, along with hiropro, who seems to be palmar's lynch preference for today. Palmar was that one of prplhz's reads you were alright with? If so, do you want to share reasoning? Austinmcc doing ange777 the favour with the soft defense here. A bunch of fluff with such a weird way of talking about ange, no solid view on her at all. Waiting for palmars thoughts on her before he gives his own. God damn your scum. Also, trying to bring back up the bluelightz discussion as soon as ange777 votes come and someone asks his feelings on her, deflection much? Give us a solid fucking read with your answers unless your scum, then keep playing this way. | ||
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On September 21 2012 10:24 marvellosity wrote: I'm still going through this all myself, but Mementoss: whether Ange flips scum or not, I found the fact that austin went back to examine the actually happenings right around the lynch as quite a townie thing to do. Scum look for dirt and do work etc but only town want to work out exactly the reactions on the lynch. What do you tihnk about this? I haven't completely looked through his filter, but the way I generally do this is, I get a gut feeling, then I check the out the filter to see if it matches my thoughts. I gotta go over it when I have time. There is so much shit in there I dont think 1 town looking post will make him seem town but we will see. | ||
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Enough excuses I actually want to hear your opinion on why Ange would be a bad lynch/ why you think she is town. Obviously when she gets back her response will give us more insight and information. Who would be your second best scum read after Marv? HiroPro? What is your evidence/thoughts against Hiropro | ||
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Filters (pages): Marv 11 Hapa 8 BH 7 Me +everyone else <= 4 Looking through his filter, a lot of it is just unnecessary. The only people I can really trust right now in this game is myself and Hapa. Hapa when you come back I would like a detailed explanation on your thoughts of Marv vs Palmar situation. | ||
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On September 22 2012 00:27 austinmcc wrote: I don't know if you're trying to or not, but this keeps clogging up the thread. The majority of his posts have not included reasoning. You've got a lot of posts calling him out on that. We see the lack of reasoning; you can stop. Nobody is sitting in thread saying Palmar has done a great job of letting us see where he's getting his calls from. Nobody is sheeping his reads either. I still don't know what to make of Palmar, but 10 more discussions of how he's not giving full-throated reads isn't going to do anything for anyone. Moreover, some of those reads DO have reasoning, but earlier in thread - I know iam was covered in his first reads, I believe he may have given reasoning for hiro at some point (not entirely sure there). There's no NEED for reasoning on hapa, and little need for anything on mementoss. I agree with austin, and I've already somewhat mentioned it or implied it to Marv in the thread. If palmar posts in this game you can guarentee a one liner from marv right after. Its ironic because those one liners are even less useful than what palmar is posting, they only can stir up shit and clog up the thread. Everyone can read marv, those one liners aren't going to convince anyone that doesn't think palmar is scum to think think he is. I don't know how you don't understand this concept. | ||
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On September 21 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: Bluelightz isn't scummy, he's Bluelightz. If you attack him, be prepared for non-responsiveness and random shitty defense posts at the last minute, whether he's town or scum. Iamperfection is active and aggressive enough that I no longer consider him a top scumread. I've seen him play poorly before as town so this is reasonable to say. My current list of people I'll be pressuring going into D1 if I'm alive (which I probably will be, unless something weird happens): HiroPro Mkfuba07 Ange777 Palmar The first two because they're scum, the second two because they should be good scumhunters, better than they are this game Also marv like ange and plam peace Here is one of the last things BH said. Not the most revealing but I will put it here as a reminder. | ||
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On September 22 2012 02:46 Hapahauli wrote: In fact, I'm really surprised no one has been bringing up posts by Ange on the subject of Palmar. There's much more, but the point is, Ange has been passively throwing suspicion at Palmar all game. She has constantly been doing this. If you think Ange is scum, it's incredibly unlikely that Palmar is scum. Scumbuddies just don't do this to each other. I would disagree, I think if anything this makes it more likely that ange and palmar would be scum together. Ange has been throwing suspicion at Palmar all game, without doing a fucking thing a bout it. Thats a main point of my case on her, appearing useful through these points and questions, but really not having a purpose behind any of them, is scum motivation. They don't need a purpose they have the answers. Can you honestly say that these things ange said affected Palmar in any way whatsoever>? | ||
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What would scum motivation be for Palmar giving his town read on me and explaining it (to an extent) in day 1/night 1. I was probably the 3rd most likely to be lynched day 1, and I was probably a major point of discussion day 2 as a lynch possibility, mainly through the thoughts of Austinmcc and Hapa (Possibly ange). | ||
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On September 22 2012 05:00 marvellosity wrote: if you don't want to listen to me, listen to syllogism How is this out of context quote relevant to anything lol, its someones opinion on meta. | ||
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On September 07 2012 05:32 marvellosity wrote: I will tell you why your post was not formed in the manner of the most intelligent, prplhz, my good sir. Scum marvellosity sees something dodgy that Risen has written, and aggressively pursues scum Risen for it. He won't let it go and in fact makes scum Risen look worse and worse with each passing post. Having made scum Risen look awful to the thread, to the point where everyone is piling on to him, scum marvellosity decides to remove any credit he might have for the flip by unvoting him without much reason. Therefore scum marvellosity's masterplan is to get scum Risen lynched completely unnecessarily and give himself no credit for it. scum marvellosity is a fucking genius. Replace Risen with Palmar and apply the bolded parts for Day1/Night1 and Day 2? Does this sound right to you? | ||
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On September 22 2012 05:23 Zephirdd wrote: they were both town and it was day 1 IIRC we are at day 2 and palmar has done jack shit The context is not the point, its the point that its Marv's opinion on his own scum play, which is going to be more accurate than anyone elses opinion on his scum play. | ||
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On September 22 2012 06:02 marvellosity wrote: if you ever want to win a town game, you might wanna listen to people who know what they're talking about somebodies bathing in his own confidence for someone who isn't supposed to have any information? sheit son | ||
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On September 22 2012 06:06 marvellosity wrote: no, say stupid, retarded crap like "only mafia consider Palmar a threat" is bad. I dont understand why you find him a threat, honestly how is he any more threatening than bluelightz, there activity is basically the same. Your case is entirely built on meta. If you lynched palmar based on in game facts you could iamperfection for the same sort of thing. Why are you so desperate to switch when the all knowing marv thinks ange and palmar are both scum? The only reason would be if you were scum because it benefits you more. I don't know how this can't be seen as pushing scum agenda when you say their both scum but you want to lynch the player that is known for his "good town play" and "bad scum play". Then tell everyone hes so much of a threat. This is just trying to convince people to agree with you through fear mongering. Or because you actually think your the greatest and your reads are above everyone elses. | ||
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On September 22 2012 09:01 Ange777 wrote: Read on you before was null/town. Now it's town. Current read on Mementoss is scummy. He accuses me of only making a case on a player who was already under suspicion from a lot of players. Same can be said for him. And I don't think his case has any merit, it seems more like his quote can be applied to him as well. Especially the Smiley part of his case is just ridiculous. I can't get the thought out of my head that he is simply looking for things in my filter that he can turn scummy like the smiley. To be honest, I have not read through the latest pages that closely (it really is late) and I would like to re-read them before making my choice. But if I can't pick Palmar (I wouldn't lynch marv, I still have a nullish read on him) it would be one of Mementoss or iamperfection. Mementoss for this absolutely weird case and iamperfection for not contributing at all until being called out by me. Tallest mountain? iamperfection. Most wildlife? Zeph I don't know if you want to hear about my real life issues ... if it helps I was excessively inactive in Newbie Mafia XV and I was town. Lol at the blantant OMGUS on myself from Ange ignoring the claim completely. Would lynch me on the basis of a case she seems to think is "weird", why didn't she ever mention lynching Zephridd on the basis of his Hapa case than? :S On September 22 2012 08:12 Ange777 wrote: Snip* Come one ... scum meta? I have played one single game as scum which also was my first game of Forum mafia ever. Please don't make the mistake and call me scum for typing a smiley. I am a smiley person. I just love putting smileys into my sentences but having seen that people always seem to take smiley suspicious I have already tried to cut down my smiley usage in mafia games. Snip* Come one ... really? The smiley rule?  Of course the smiley rule isn't a legit point. The only reason I pointed it out was because we talked about it post game to outing yourself a little bit as Mafia. Also, I didn't say the meta was useful, hell I even said it was your first game so you didn't understand the game. The fact that your defending this moot point on 3 separate occasions and making a lot of excuses besides it is pretty weird. And not just one line defence you have to make a bunch of excuses to go with it, just because it was a common link to your only mafia game, and now your play style has obviously developed a lot more than your first game, so they can't really be compared. The point was to see if you'd over react to this point, which you definitely did. | ||
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On September 23 2012 03:25 marvellosity wrote: No. Everyone who isn't weird austin, VOTE PALMAR Wait why the fuck am I voting the same as this guy | ||
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On September 23 2012 04:46 austinmcc wrote: Because I'm more sure on ange. Afaik, basically everyone on either of the two thinks that both are scum. Do you think Marv is scum? | ||
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On September 23 2012 04:47 Hapahauli wrote: Kinda liking the HiroPro lynch now tbh. Palmar's putting in :effort: and I actually agree with him quite a bit on Hiro not pushing his lynches. Hiro wanted to lynch me at one point, but gave it up way too easily without pushing it at all. I'll be mulling things over. #1, I don't want to lynch Palmar. Still not sure about Ange. I agree Kill HiroPro today | ||
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On September 23 2012 04:55 austinmcc wrote: I think...at the end of N1 I noted that his interactions with hiro and with ange looked funky D1. I have not gone back to fully look through him today, because I liked where we were and throwing marv into the mix for serious discussion was best saved for another day. I think that either ange or palmar, when flipped, tells us SOMETHING about marv, ange a little more (marv and palmar could very easily both be scumbuddies and just spamming thread/distancing themselves). Right now I'm still...hmmm. I guess I'm scummy on him, yeah. He just continuously rails against Palmar, lets Palmar get his goat, tries to shift the lynch of Ange. Palmar is right that his play changed enormously pre-accusations from Palmar and post-accusations. My play has changed as well though, so I can't do too much with that. However, what marv has actually done once getting active hasn't felt pro-town. I'd hope that town marv would see what's going on, quit spamming so much, quit getting so inflamed, because he's destroyed town atmospheres in past games when doing that as town. So I read his constant sniping at Palmar as scummy. I'd rather see ange flip. Probably rather see Palmar flip. Rather have legitimate discussion on marv, and rather give him a solid look again, especially if we flip someone non-marv and can draw any connections there. But I'm generally paranoid, and so I'm always going to be worried about marv/Palmar both being scum, or marv and basically ANY of my other main scum candidates, because his interactions haven't felt townie this game at points. Best I can do is give an approximation of my thoughts at this point, and then do some digging during N2 to figure out how I really feel. Oh for sure it's definitely possible they are both scum, but unlikely. Even if one bussed the other D1 or D2, it would be really weird if they were still alive D4/5 why would scum not kill the guy who drove the lynch of a scum. Anyways its too late for marv discussion now, but I will be addressing it in the night cycle, before either me or hapa get shot (most likely). What do you think of Hiro, are you willing to make the switch.? | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:08 austinmcc wrote: Mementoss, Again, this is assuming a lot. Just off the top of my head, why mafia wouldn't want to kill them as town: If palmar is town, why should mafia kill him? He's got no towncred, nobody cares about his reads. IF he flips town, then people reread him and give him some credence. Until he's flipped though, the entirety of town basically writes his posts off. He's not dangerous while alive, only dangerous (maybe) once flipped. Moreover, he gives you a great way to split votes every lynch, you can be sure people will be discussing lynchign palmar, voting palmar, trying to get switches onto palmar, and so it helps ensure that town doesn't have great consensus on a lynch target (and if they DO get consensus on Palmar, they lynch town, ta da!). If marv is town, why should mafia kill him? Marv has spent so much time and effort sniping at Palmar that he's not doing much else. Townmarv needs shooting when he's active, stirring up discussion, getting reads from everyone on everything, forcing action (See BH D1 early). Marv isn't doing that this game because he's bogged down with Palmar. EVEN if palmar is mafia, there's no need to shoot marv. Palmar's existence and taunting makes marv near-useless as townie, A FACT WHICH HE RECOGNIZES TO SOME EXTENT - + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 09:42 marvellosity wrote: I'm so behind, I hadn't even got on to considering austin's posts yet :< On September 21 2012 09:45 marvellosity wrote: no, I mean I literally had been talking to you and looking at Bluelightz's past games and shit, so i was putting austin's posts aside for a moment. I'll have a proper look myself; obviously I'd had some niggles as I asked you that question about her interactions with iamp a little earlier. On September 21 2012 10:57 marvellosity wrote: I need to read the thread more closely if i'm missing shit like that on first pass To be completely honest, I haven't been looking at Hiro this day. I'm reluctant to make a switch so late on someone I haven't been giving full consideration to during this cycle. I won't be here at deadline. I'm at work now and really don't want to stay here on a Saturday. If you guys are switching and have enough votes...then I guess you're switching? Wish we'd stay on ange, who NOBODY is really stepping up and defending except Palmar, who the majority of people seem to think is scum. I can't guarantee that my vote is available at deadline to prevent a no-lynch, but I can stay another 10 minutes or so and hope that it's in a useful spot. This shit isn't important right now. And you misunderstood the point I was trying to say I didn't say it made sense for palmar of marv to be killed in this context. Im saying if either one of them pushed the others lynch and they flipped scum it would be really weird that they would stay be kept alive by mafia. So it would be unlikely move as both of them being mafia. It was a response to your hypothetical. Obviously its a lot of assumptions -_-. Also deadline is right now. Do you not find it odd hiro left all day and came back to say k were lynching palmar now and vote palmar? | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:20 austinmcc wrote: I think we've got a number of people who are doing that. I find it...really unhelpful and I wish they wouldn't. But when ange is gone for long periods of time, Palmar pops in and out, Zephirdd pops in and out and just says he's sheeping, Bluelightz is never around, and marv is entirely absent right before lynch, I don't find it "odd" that Hiro returns right now. I think the majority of the players here are unhelpful right now for this deadline and these switches. I don't find it odd that one more is. Do you find it odd that marv was around all the time to spam and then leaves before the lynch deadline when people are switching to the one person he made a case on today hiro? | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:23 austinmcc wrote: Yes, I do. But the logical conclusion of your question is maybe pushing marv for a lynch, which I don't want to do right now. We've got enough swapping and targets right now, another is NOT going to help. This is already way too much. But yeah, it looks bad that he seems to be gone now when lynch options include PALMAR and HIRO, who he has seemingly wanted lynched since he learned to walk. Actually marv had hiro as town day 1 and then for the same reasons he had hiro as town he used those reasons to make hiro scum in day 2 as hapa pointed out earlier. | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:26 austinmcc wrote: I have to go. I will try and check phone at deadline. Trying to mass swap this late in a cycle is an awful idea, especially when we don't even know who we'd swap to. Ange, fine. Palmar, fine. But then an additional swap onto Hiro for reasons that apply to half the thread is something I don't want to do. Hiro's post on Palmar doesn't give me a clear town read on him, but...it's curious and maybe leads to a slight town read, for reasons entirely unrelated to activity. BLARKJSDKLASJDASLDKJASD. I'll read him a little closer, but I don't like the way this lynch is feeling. 1.5 days of nice happy town thread, good discussion, good targets, really useful. Then AS:DKDJASHDLJKASDHASJKLDHASDKLAHSD. AMG PALMAR CAME IN LET'S SWAP SWAP SWAP SWAP. AMG HIRO VOTE SWAP SWAP SWAP SWAP. We were so calm and useful for most of this day, and i like the decisions calm/useful town makes a lot more than I like the last minute decisions that are being considered right now. See last minute switch onto SnB in LVII. lol | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:31 austinmcc wrote: See last minute D1 switches in Bureacracy. See last minute switches in probably most other games. Foolishness had a comment on it in Bureaucracy. Even though he was scum, it was a townie point to make. It's just...it's super simple. Scum likes confusion. Scum likes being able to control town. The more craziness occurs, the more confusion and the easier you can control when town's votes are split 3-4 ways. This may not be scum-oriented, but the fact that we had such a nice D2 for MOST of the cycle, then all of a sudden EXPLOSION into craziness makes me feel like some of this is scum-pushed. What made me convinced to look back into Hiros filter was his vote on Palmar. It made no sense from a town point of view. He thought ange was scum made a post about why, voted her. Left all day 2 comes back at the end and says oh we are voting palmar now? And votes Palmar. His excuse for being non-active all day was because there was nothing to discuss because he was happy with either the ange or palmar lynch. However, why would he bother to come back to switch onto palmar, when he made an explaqation on why he thought ange was scum and say this: On September 23 2012 04:43 HiroPro wrote: k, we lynch palmar? kk ##Unvote ##Vote Palmar When ange was majority and set to be lynched? To hold true with his explanation earlier there would be no reason to come into the thread because he was happy with ange getting lynched. Why did he switch off ange onto Palmar? wifom + Show Spoiler + You know who else started the day with voting ange and making a post about why with a decent post and then after ange was starting to pick up he switched onto palmar with no real reason? Marv. | ||
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Hiro (4) - perfection, mementoss, hapa, zephridd Palmar (3) - Hiro, marv, ange Ange (2) - Bluelightz, austinmccc marv (1) - Palmar No one set to be lynched | ||
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On September 23 2012 06:22 Hapahauli wrote: I think we have our scumteam somewhere in Hiro, Ange, Bluelightz. A lil wifom, remember Hiro made his first case on GK (Palmar) and Palmar was pushing Hiro pretty hard before he died. not sure what I make of this. On September 21 2012 05:59 Blazinghand wrote: Bluelightz isn't scummy, he's Bluelightz. If you attack him, be prepared for non-responsiveness and random shitty defense posts at the last minute, whether he's town or scum. Iamperfection is active and aggressive enough that I no longer consider him a top scumread. I've seen him play poorly before as town so this is reasonable to say. My current list of people I'll be pressuring going into D1 if I'm alive (which I probably will be, unless something weird happens): HiroPro Mkfuba07 Ange777 Palmar The first two because they're scum, the second two because they should be good scumhunters, better than they are this game Also marv like ange and plam peace Now we have a little context on this. BH last words. He must been right about more than 1 in his top 4 to die because honestly he was pretty wrong on prplhz and didn't contribute that much after that fact. | ||
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On September 23 2012 06:23 marvellosity wrote: My best bet atm is Hiro/austin Yeah re-read the last minute when we wanted to lynch Hiro, I think austin knew there wasn't enough people to kill Hiro so thats why he was stubborn on staying on ange. He knew bluelightz and ange wouldn't be around. And you weren't around. He probably woulda expected people to come back to voting ange and never woulda expected that switch onto palmar. This is my most likely thought right now. Still lost on bluelightz and zeph. | ||
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On September 23 2012 06:34 Zephirdd wrote: guys guys guys guys listen guys guys listen guys listeeen remember austinmcc? The guy who defended palmar day 2 and kinda disappeared? Remember when austin and prplhz were about to be lynched, and then Palmar said prplhz was town? And he said austin was one of his scum reads? But he never voted austin? Remember how shitty it was his reasoning for that? Guys, what you make of that? -_- guyguyguyguyguy listen remember when palmar said one of his top scum reads was hiro pro was his best scum read and then left his vote lonesome on marv? | ||
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If 2 people woulda died it woulda meant this most likely. N1 I shot mkfuba, Mafia shot Marv (who chose to be night immune), and Marv shot BH. I think I'm missing something here. N1 Marv claimed to be roleblocked. N2 Hapa claimed to be roleblocked. By these facts it's pretty likely town has a jailkeeper. (since we killed palmar the mafia roleblocker.) Except this is really weird because why wasn't Palmar's RB ever claimed for night 1? But yeah its pretty fucking strange that Hapa (Mason), Mementoss (Vigi), and Marv (took down Palmar) are still alive. Is it possible that SKs shot was blocked or stopped night 1 and now SK is withholding their shots because: a) After night 1, it seemed to be pretty established that there was probably no SK b) To make me look bad. Not sure, just food for thought for now. Austin was the strongest pusher of Ange left and he died. BH was planning on going after Ange and he died. Palmar called Ange town before he died. WIFOM. I'm going to really have to re-check the filters this cycle. | ||
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On September 24 2012 06:20 marvellosity wrote: if you were really clever you wouldn't have announced that Also I don't get it. Why wouldn't you announce being roleblocked. The more information town has the better right? | ||
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On September 24 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote: Marv claimed Jailkeeper This is why I should read the thread before posting. | ||
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On September 24 2012 09:50 iamperfection wrote: marv was most likely role blocked by palmar. Yeah it obviously makes sense that no one claimed being roleblocked because the JK was roleblocked. Now that I know we have a claimed JK. | ||
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On September 24 2012 10:30 HiroPro wrote: STOP trying to cut down on discussion!!! We have limited time as it is and I need to pound it into your heads that we need to get rid of the serial killer and it's not me. Like, remember to listen to me when I'm dead.... LIKE that's the most important thing. The night kills don't make sense. Speculating about night kills isn't WIFOM! Alright we already know you think Marv is the serial killer. The serial killer isn't using their KP. Use your time better and try to find scum. | ||
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On September 24 2012 10:33 HiroPro wrote: Are you the serial killer or something??? Serial killer is scum! I know, but saying the same old evidence over and over again isn't productive. If you think Marv is SK then fine. That means there is still one more scum to find. | ||
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You realize there is only way marv can be SK is if there is a town RB or a scum RB. Buuuuuuuuut, lets cut those chances in half, because why would scum RB ever RB a mason. And no one has claimed town RB. So the chances of marv being SK are really low right now. There are better chances that he is a scum RB and RB hapa last night to make this claim and bussed Palmar, and withheld his day 1 RB and Palmar withheld his day 1 RB... Just for this JK claim.....Super unlikely. If you are still convinced he is SK even though it makes no sense with the night actions. Here are some reasons we shouldn't kill marv: 1) If he is SK Mafia could waste a kill on him if they didn't already 2) Marv is a good player and helped us find scum 3) Marv is JK and can save players @Marv, why did you decide to claim how/when you did | ||
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On September 24 2012 20:49 marvellosity wrote: Are you on some kind of hallucinogenic funtimes? I was giving mafia the benefit of the doubt of not being full-blown idiots. Only 1 RB night 1 on me which they know was from them, and then another RB magically appears night 2. It's a very small logical deduction to work out who the jailkeeper is. Why you're even arguing with Hiro is absolutely mindboggling to me. Im not arguing, Im trying to show him why he is wrong. I don't necessarily think hes scum and I think hes caught in something that is making him look horrible. Yeah I took some funtimes this morning in my wheaties. | ||
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On September 24 2012 20:50 marvellosity wrote: P.S. I don't think 2 mafia roleblockers is possible in C9++ setup It doesn't even make sense anyways RB a mason herp herp I was just going through every hypothetical to get it through Hiros head | ||
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Lets look back to how the Palmar lynch went together. Bluelightz: On September 23 2012 06:41 Hapahauli wrote: Guys guys guys. Guys. Bluelightz? Still think he's scum, can someone comment on this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=59#1171 Also: Can't really say it much better than this. Thinks Palmar is scum and is the only case he really made all of day 2, yet before he leaves, he says I won't be back and switches to ange777. only because he thinks his vote on Palmar won't do anything. In addition to this, Bluelightz lack of contribution (1 page of filter) as well as how consistent he pulls off his main scum read. Seems really scummy to me. Hapa sums it up really well. Zephridd: Here is the guy I am more confident in, and really think he will flip scum. I will keep it shorter than usual. Lets sum up Zephridds day 2 play. It makes no sense to me from a town perspective. Step 1: Lynch for info, Sheep Ange wagon, restate points that already have been said, vote ange. + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 11:46 Zephirdd wrote: As I said, Bluelightz is bluelightz. I can't fucking read him for good. I just ignore him. iamperfection is my main scum read, and I don't think his voting would make him town. I mean, I'd do that vote if I were scum. It makes no sense as the vote won't matter at the time(prplhz would be lynched anyway), but the fact that you do it in the middle of that clusterfuck makes it look townie. I know this is wifom, but I can see that occuring with a scum player. As an example, think of Risen on TL Mafia LIII. There, he made some crazy voting/unvoting shenenigans on the last minute when the lynch targets were me and Ottoxlol IIRC. The way he made it made everyone follow the logic that "he is scum if Ottoxlol is scum and town if Ottoxlol is town". Ottoxlol was town, and he was scum. It seriously midfucked everyone. Well, at least me. This is why I don't think IMP's vote shenenigans would say anything about him being town. Someone mentioned that IMP was more careful when he played as scum, and that makes me think of another player: JingleHell. Last time I player scum with him, he told me he would be really aggressive/abrasive because he was careful on his previous scum game, and his 'town' meta was aggressive. IMP now and JH then are basically the same: greenhorns who just came out of their newbie games. This is why I don't believe that comparing IMP to his previous scum game will say anything about him being town either. The issue I have with a IMP lynch right now is this: when I tried to purse his filter for more reasons to kill him, he's proven to be incredibly useful post day1. So while I don't believe the above makes him town, he's been asking some pretty good questions. And this leads to Ange777. From what I understand, her death would say a lot about imp. Also, you guys did an incredible job at checking ange's actions - we basically need her to explain stuff and see if she's coherent - and she looks really bad after that night I guess. I want to see what everyone has to say about ange. Lynching Ange will give information on IAM + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 11:59 Zephirdd wrote: huuuh I guess I wasn't too straight with that post huh. ok. 1. The voting and the meta are no reasons to call IMP town. His latest posts during the night(questioning ange and stuff), however, are. 2. Ange is looking bad(aka likely scum) when reading all those cases you made. I think she has a decent chance to flip scum. I want to see what other players(Hiro, Bluez, Palmar, ...) have to say about Ange. Oh and I just realized I straight up contradicted myself on my post. So let me explain this. He was my main scum read, and when I tried to look up his filter in order to make a decent case, I changed my mind. I didn't change the first sentences of that post though. Sorry. Explanation of his shitty info post. On September 21 2012 12:00 Zephirdd wrote: I guess without this I can't be obvious enough for you so ##vote ange777 + Show Spoiler + On September 21 2012 12:50 Zephirdd wrote: iamperfection > attacked Ange marvellosity > attacked Ange Zephirdd > leans scum Mementoss (vigi) > attacked Ange bluelightz > never mentions Ange Ange777 < derp Palmar > null-near-scum >> scummy(quotes prplhz) > never mentions her specifically Hapahauli > attacked Ange HiroPro > no mention of Ange austinmcc > No solid read(1) > Makes some questions to her > leans scum > vote ange(full scum read?) mkfuba07 > talks alot about her, never gives a read(feels like he read her as town?) blazinghand > Included her on list of people to pressure into day 2(aka. reads as scum) prplhz > "Looking terrible", gut feeling that Ange is scum > hates Ange(has a scum read), "ange is tunneling for no reason" from his POV Her reads on players, since that should be pretty good to hold her accountable for the incoming discussions. iamperfection > questions iamperfection town status(just like I do for most of the time), has some good questions in fact. But only questions. > leaning scum marvellosity > dismiss a case versus marv > "null/town" > reconsiders null/town read after palmar's case(now null/scum? not clear) Zephirdd > NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN Mementoss > "Does not follow up his questions" > "makes himself scummy" bluelightz > asks a question. Not a single fuck. Ange777 Palmar > does not buy palmar being town early into the game > does not like palmar's style > FUCKING ZERO READ ON PALMAR prplhz > 'prplhz is far more scummy' > makes a whole case > makes another case(????) > somewhat completely focused on prplhz being scum all day long never backing off of it Hapahauli > leaning town mkfuba07 > "I'll read fuba tomorrow. Off to bed now." AND NOT A SINGLE FUCK WAS GIVEN EITHER HiroPro > calls him semi-lurker. That's it blazinghand > leaning town austinmcc > does not think he is scum > actively defends him Hapa is supposed to be her town read and Palmar her small scum read, why asking both to comment on said case? idk when I read this it felt really weird My veredict: He has almost nothing to be held accountable of. A lot of "leaning", "semi" and non committed stuff. I mean, you can commit and back off something, but being so wishy-washy for so much is weird. The only thing to hold her accountable for is her read on prplhz - which has been discussed on the previous pages. Somehow, while skimming through her filter(I mostly ctrl+F'd each player) she was feeling very active - why is it that I have little memory of her? I *think* I remember her looking good/contributing, but nothing ever would pick my eye on his play. However, while reading now, there were some passages that felt so fucking weird. Like the post I quote above. As I said, I need time to sip this in. Her actions on day 1 were kinda consistent to a town player, but it's not impossible for a scum player to do it. The interactions above and what people say from now on *should* help me arrive somewhere. I'll keep my instance that she is not looking good at all. Restates what I said in my case, in pretty format. This is pretty alright post but should have been posted before his vote. It seems like he realized that he didn't give a good enough reason for voting ange then writes this. Step 2: After saying Ange has a decent chance to flip scum, gets really fucking confident about Palmar being scum, if ange does anything bad to defend herself lynch her. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 00:00 Zephirdd wrote: Hmm I am way more confident on Palmar being scum than on Ange. I mean you guys brought some pretty good points etc yadda yadda, but fuck he is being useless. "Hurr that's a bad lynch". "Why?" "Fuck you thats why" It's simple. We lynch Palmar. Unless he refuses to show us solid arguments(which he IS capable of showing, as marv quoted earlier), then he dies. No point leaving him alive. think of this post: If this was to be posted from a townie perspective, it's waay too retarded and a huge confirmation-bias kind of post for town Palmar to make. ##unvote ##vote Palmar Hes really confident about Palmar being scum. But the tone of this post just seems to be FUCK PALMAR lynch him hes useless. But he leaves him an out by saying, unless he shows us some solid arguements. + Show Spoiler + On September 22 2012 05:43 Zephirdd wrote: Well, from 06:00KST there is a high chance I'll be inactive until close to the deadline. Maybe I'll be able to read stuff and bring in a post or two, but nothing really big(like compiling a list of interactions like I did with ange). imp's post on ange is pretty incriminating. If Ange comes back and say ANYTHING emotional in order to defend herself, lynch her. Seriously I don't want to be caught into that trap again(prplhz did that once) I'll probably be able to change my vote prior to the deadline so don't worry. I want Palmar dead still, because he isn't proving to be who he is. Him having a town read says jack shit when his scum reads are unexplained. Wait what, we go from, Palmar defenitely scum, kill him to if Ange is emotional in her defense kill her. How does this switch of certainty make sense. Also, saying this makes no sense, shes obviously going to read it, and not be emotional in her defense. Step 3: The Hiro switch, then back to Palmar. On September 23 2012 04:54 Zephirdd wrote: we need five votes right? I'll switch into hiro. We have one hour. ##unvote ##vote HiroPro If we don't get 5 votes until 20min, I'll go back to my main scum read -_- While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point. After being so fucking confident on Palmar why would he even consider switching to Hiro. He never once mentioned Hiro being scum in day 2. It seems like hes just giving himself an out to get off scum Palmar the first time he sees the chance. He even said, I don't even know why we are voting Hiro im just sheeping. Wouldn't town Zephridd as confident as he seemed in his Palmar post, once he knew their were 4 people available for vote switch, wouldn't he try to switch them onto to Palmar. His main scum read? He didn't even attempt to get people to switch onto Palmar. Yet in the end, he still gets town cred for lynching scum, and being on scum before the bandwagon was going to happen. It was pretty obvious that this needed to be done as mafia as if Palmar didn't get lynched today, it was coming day 3 almost for sure. On September 23 2012 06:21 Zephirdd wrote: HERPADERPATOLDYOUSSO tomorrow austin? pweeeease? Trying to get a bit of extra town cred after the fact. When really Zeph just stated, hey I think palmar is scum without any push on it or trying to convince anyone. When really Marv tried to do all the push work on Palmars lynch. Other than that, Zephridd has been primarily flying under the radar, and hasn't really pushed any of his reads. He made a day 1 case on hapa on wrong evidence and after trying to justify it, quickly fell off his read, then sheeped. HiroHiro Looking back on it, hiros switch on Palmar is really weird. But he wasn't even around and no one knew he was around. So he didn't have to switch on Palmar and doesn't really make sense from a mafia perspective. Also, I don't think he would do it for town cred if he is going to come out last minute with a post like this: On September 23 2012 04:43 HiroPro wrote: k, we lynch palmar? kk ##Unvote ##Vote Palmar How much town cred would a bus like this really give. His latest SK stuff has been pretty ridiculous and making me rethink my thoughts. But other than being useless, I don't see as much scum motivation in his filter as zephridds. And zephridds just feels really odd. As of now. 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On September 24 2012 23:12 marvellosity wrote: You bring up some nice points on Zephirdd actually, and I will consider them at length tonight. However, Hiro has gone into full troll mode and there is ZERO town motivation for this, whereas the scum motivation for shitting up the thread is obvious (the problem you have with Hiro Mementoss is that you haven't quite grasped Hiro has gone into full troll mode, and you feel he might just be horribly wrong or something). Hiro dies today. Alright, I just didn't think that Zephridd and Hiro could be scum together was the main reason why I thought hiro might be town because I was more confident in my read on Zephridd. Cause I didn't think Zephridd would go from one Bus to the other Bus. I think IAMperfection has been given a free ride almost as much as Zephridd and would like some updated discussion regarding his alignment. I don't have time ATM, but I think we need to use today for more than vote hiro, incase hiro flips town. | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:11 iamperfection wrote: @ memen. Why the hell would town hiropro make this post. He is tunneling on sk just so he dosent have to give any other reads. Its definitively not townie, but you could pull up similar posts on a lot of townies, that are just lazy. And now hiro is in full tilt mode. But there is a good chance he can flip scum fore sure. Im just saying there is also a really good chance zephridd is scum. | ||
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On September 24 2012 23:17 marvellosity wrote: There's no reason NOT to go from bus to bus, if that was indeed the case. I still agree with Palmar/Hapa's assessment of iamp's play though and think he is townie. I also agree we need to use today for more than killing Hiro (and it is precisely his trolling that is trying to prevent discussion of other things), which is why I'm so keen to hear more from BL and Ange right now. Good point, a bus is a bus, no reason not to go from bus to bus either way you are getting town cred while killing a teammate. I will re-read IAM filter and those two assessments, knowing both alignments of Hapa and Palmar in mind. | ||
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##Vote: HiroPro I want Zephridd to make a case on who he thinks the last scum is. Also I lol'd at reading bluelightz most recent posts. | ||
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On September 25 2012 00:26 Zephirdd wrote: By process of elimination it'd be bluelightz. lynching two scum in a row gives us an edge so I think we can afford to take the chance, right? What I mean is that between you three bluelightz is the one worse looking. But then I fall down into the same situation as GSL mafia where I was sure bluelightz had to be scum. I think it comes down to ange vs bluelightz(I dont think you're scum anymore), and one feels wrong to lynch and the other is mislynched all the fucking time. We still have a SK to worry after too. You would be a nice SK candidate imo, but Ange as SK also makes a hell of sense. I'll reread filters on the afternoon, and I'll come back with more stuff k? I doubt it, Unless SK has been holding all their KP I don't think there is a SK On September 25 2012 00:26 HiroPro wrote: Ok guys. I seriously don't understand what you're doing. I made a great case and none of you are actually reading it. Let me put it this way to you. Serial killers have 1 KP. Mafia teams have 1 KP. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of the serial killer? Only 1. How many people do you need to kill in order to get rid of mafia? 2. SO WHY ARE WE NOT KILLING THE SERIAL KILLER MARV!!! I read your case and pretty much countered the whole thing without even thinking about it, its pretty obvious. | ||
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On September 25 2012 00:31 Ange777 wrote: Ok, while I don't believe marv to be the serial killer, the logic seems sound. Am I missing something why we should kill scum first before serial killer if we were equally sure/suspicious of them? If there is mafia and SK then the mafia team has 2 players and SK is 1, since we already killed 1 it would be 1 and 1 so it would make no difference, and atm SK isn't using his KP. Also SK can soak up mafia shots if they didn't already try to shoot him night 1 or figure out who he was. | ||
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On September 25 2012 00:57 marvellosity wrote: No, it's either 3-1 or 3-0 Mementoss. It won't be 2-1. Wat how does that balance, 1 extra scum, double the KP. Same amount of players? :S | ||
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On September 26 2012 03:22 Hapahauli wrote: Well only 3 more hours until Hiro flips and we can all be productive again... @ Ange Still waiting... You cast idle suspicion on Mementoss without even considering his claim. Address his claim, then tell me if you're not convinced of his alignment. @ Marv Well I largely agree with you that Ange is scum, but not for those reasons. Her tunneling prplzh as opposed to another player can be both alignments. The real issue is her sudden drop in activity after austinmcc called out her slip, as well as her really lackluster play since the start of D3. Have to say that I'm feeling slightly better about Bluelightz since he's trying a bit. He's far and away my #2 lynch candidate after Ange though. But that's a discussion for D4. You said you were going to comment on Zephridd, thoughts? But yeah hopefully hiro flips scum or what a useless day. Ange or Zephridd last scum. Worst thing about ange is the drop in activity after day 2 suspicion on her. | ||
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On September 26 2012 07:17 marvellosity wrote: well, this is going rather well, if i do say so myself your going to die according to hiro so leave a nice death note plz | ||
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On September 26 2012 23:58 marvellosity wrote: unless you're lying about vigi / there's an unclaimed blue, there's an SK. More details at one minute before deadline  Alright lol, well I guess its seems a lot less likely from my perspective then. | ||
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6-1 - kill marv 5-1 - lynch ange 4-1 - kill hapa 3-1 - no lynch 2-1 - kill mementoss LYLO 5-1-1 - kill marv kill hapa 3-1-1 - lynch scum 3-0-1 - kill mementoss 2-0-1 LYLO So yeah lets hit scum today tomorrow for sure. The best thing we have going for us right now is 3 confirmed townies, which will drop to 2 most likely after tonight. I don't know if I'll have time before tonight but I think best chances for scum are: ange>zeph>bluelightz>iamperfection You can check my filter for reasons but I definitely need to rethink them and update them. Especially with zeph and ange. | ||
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On September 26 2012 05:59 HiroPro wrote: ATTENTION SERIAL KILLER Mafia is shooting marv tonight. So shoot someone else. This is the only reason why i think there might be a SK and cause of marvs mumbo jumbo set-up talk. But this makes me think mafia was a bit pissed to hit the SK either night 1 or night 2. And to try and set up a better chance for his last team mate to win. Or just to scare town into believing there is an SK. Another hypotehtical: Night 1: Mafia hits SK SK hits BH I hit mkfuba Night 2: SK hits austinmcc to attempt not to overlap mafia night kill Mafia hits Hapa who was JK'd by Marv. Hiro is using this post as a last attempt to try and even the score, and get 2 kills tonight to give his last teammate a better chance ftw. | ||
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On September 27 2012 02:03 marvellosity wrote: The setup shows SK with the roles we know. What the fuck is this "the only reason I think there might be" I think you missed the "and cause of marvs mumbo jumbo set-up talk". Also I was wondering does can J and D be interchanged for that set-up wiki. | ||
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