EPTThe way I see it, there's still a chance Palmar will flip town. Palmar to my knowledge is capable of doing some scummy shit as town (DeathNote Mini comes to mind). I don't see how Ange will flip town at all.
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Hapahauli
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The way I see it, there's still a chance Palmar will flip town. Palmar to my knowledge is capable of doing some scummy shit as town (DeathNote Mini comes to mind). I don't see how Ange will flip town at all. | ||
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Palmar (1) - Marv Marv (1) - Palmar Ange777 (1) - Everyone Else | ||
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Palmar (1) - Marv Marv (1) - Palmar Ange777 (lots) - Everyone Else Hasn't voted: Bluelightz + Ange | ||
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@ Ange777 I don't think you've addressed the most incriminating point against you yet - the clear contradictions between your pre-lynch mentality and your case on iamperfection. Firstly, this quote: On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote: Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting At this point you clearly thing prplzh is scum for the reasons of the fail-claim (as posted in your first defense post). The problem is, there's no reason for you to suspect iamperfection for his vote. Pre-lynch, your comment on iamperfection's vote is fine. However post-lynch, there's a huge contradiction in your mentality: On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote: Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet. Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection. @iamperfection: What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it. And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand. Two possibilities: 1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him. 2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz". Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour. Firstly, there's no reason you should be suspicious of iamperfection for his fakevote due to your comments on the prplzh fake-claim. As you have stated, prplzh's fake-claim is the thing that re-affirmed your scumread on him. Problem is, you show a complete ignorance of this mentality when attacking iamperfection. It's pretty clear that iamperfection switched his vote for the same reason that you re-affirmed your read on prplzh. Despite the supposedly similar mentalities, you show a complete unawareness of this when attacking iamperfection. It should have been obvious to you why he switched his vote. It reads like you are forcing suspicions, and this disconnect in your mentality reinforces this. Now as for the bolded part, it just makes no damn sense. As marv said earlier, why hypothetical scum iamperfection try to get town cred for jumping on prplhz? Scum iamperfection would have known that prplzh was town. This makes 0% sense, and is more evidence for me that you're forcing cases/suspicion on players. It also doesn't help that the overall post is just terrible analysis. You seem to be more ticked off at iamperfection for "voting responsibility" rather than actual scummy behavior. A townie switching his vote after a huge fail-claim is pretty normal (and obvious), yet for some reason you're completely oblivious to it. I'm interested in hearing your response, but I can't think of any town-mentality for your suspicions on iamperfection. I will say that if you can't convince the town, dump your reads on as many players as you can, Right now, you're relentlessly tunneling iamperfection (and mementoss for a while... lol?). If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow. | ||
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If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow. | ||
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On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote: Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that. Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!" TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance Ange777 will come after reading the thread. Now normally I view these things as mafia-mentality. I don't know why a townie would be scared of making reads because people would point fingers or be suspicious of them. I see these defensive impulses as mafia traits. However, as many of you have stated, this is Bluelightz. Is he capable of this as town? I honestly don't think so, since he's normally pretty reckless/carefree as town. | ||
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Palmar's putting in :effort: and I actually agree with him quite a bit on Hiro not pushing his lynches. Hiro wanted to lynch me at one point, but gave it up way too easily without pushing it at all. I'll be mulling things over. #1, I don't want to lynch Palmar. Still not sure about Ange. | ||
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##Vote HiroPro | ||
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While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point. Palmar and marv have posts about him. Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta and has been largely useless. He also built a huge-ass case on me and came off it for very little reason (without pushing it) to lynch austin. | ||
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On September 23 2012 04:58 HiroPro wrote: I didn't push my case on hapa because there was no one who actually seemed willing to vote for him. You've also been pretty fucking useless all game. | ||
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That's just what marv said, summarizing his point. But point me to one useful thing you've done all game. | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:02 HiroPro wrote: Yes because "being useful" is such an amazing indicator of whether someone is scum or not. Go read my filter, it's clear you haven't. I have. Point me to one useful thing you've done all game. The only "case" you've made you immediately sheeped off because no one was voting for me. That's a pretty bullshit reason when you thought I was scum. So please, point me to one useful thing you've done. If you can't, now's the time to start. | ||
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He sheeped Ange, then switched to Palmar for no explanation. All the while, he hasn't given a hard opinion on any other player in the game. It doesn't help that he switched off his main scumread (me) after building a case on me just because no one wanted to vote me. Didn't push his case at all. | ||
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As for Ange, I'm still leaning scummy on her, but I can see situations where she flips town. Her play is illogical for sure, but it could be confirmation bais. I can see a townie doing that, and I agree with Palmar's read. Hiro coming in and being willing to switch between Palmar and Ange devoid of reasoning makes me think they're both town. | ||
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But seriously, look at Hiro's D2 play. There's nothing there. | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote: Ange was accurate D1 in the game I replaced in for her. Maybe XVI? Something. Thread was mislynching, she had been afk for most of D1. She came in, rallied troops, found scum, wrote case, pushed, lynched scum. D1. Then replaced out, I came in, and eventually lost the game because I was dumb. qqqqqqqqqqqqq I only saw Ange in XXII (nominated for best town play btw). In that game, she really did work on D3/D4, but not so much on the first two days. I don't see Palmar caring. I don't see him pushing his reads. He's pushing Hiro, and I happen to agree. Hiro hasn't done jack. | ||
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On September 23 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote: He's not actually PUSHING hiro. He gave his read, but that's it. There's no forward motion or anything, he just drops Hiro scummy at the start of the day, and then drops reasoning RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH. I think that's fair. Admittedly, one of the reasons I have a semi-town read on Palmar is because of GoodKarma's filter. I have a meta read on GK's filter - GK is more confrontational in the early game as scum, and more passive as town. Is Palmar confusing me? Yes. However, I do think he's telling the truth about Hiro either way. | ||
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