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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 21 2012 22:04 GMT
#1113
Marv - you want to lynch Palmar on Meta OVER Ange on Scumslip.

The way I see it, there's still a chance Palmar will flip town. Palmar to my knowledge is capable of doing some scummy shit as town (DeathNote Mini comes to mind). I don't see how Ange will flip town at all.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 21 2012 22:06 GMT
#1116
[unofficial votecount]

Palmar (1) - Marv
Marv (1) - Palmar
Ange777 (1) - Everyone Else
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 21 2012 22:07 GMT
#1117
Erm.

Palmar (1) - Marv
Marv (1) - Palmar
Ange777 (lots) - Everyone Else

Hasn't voted: Bluelightz + Ange
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 01:57 GMT
#1155
Oh damn looks like I just missed Ange. For when she gets back...

@ Ange777

I don't think you've addressed the most incriminating point against you yet - the clear contradictions between your pre-lynch mentality and your case on iamperfection. Firstly, this quote:
On September 20 2012 06:03 Ange777 wrote:
Where is the flip? I wanna get the celebration starting

At this point you clearly thing prplzh is scum for the reasons of the fail-claim (as posted in your first defense post). The problem is, there's no reason for you to suspect iamperfection for his vote. Pre-lynch, your comment on iamperfection's vote is fine. However post-lynch, there's a huge contradiction in your mentality:

On September 21 2012 01:07 Ange777 wrote:
Finally people are taking a closer look at Palmar. I don't know about his past achievements of being perhaps a terrific scum hunter but I have not seen anything worthy of being praised like that in this game yet.

Unfortunately I won't be in for the deadline, for now my top scum reads are Palmar and iamperfection.

@iamperfection:

Show nested quote +
On September 20 2012 22:57 iamperfection wrote:
also at ange i want to you to explain more on your thought process at the deadline. What was going through your head when the claims came out.


What was going on? I have you marked as a scum read that's what's going on. Why would someone give up his right to vote just to simply sheep another player? Especially sheeping someone you yourself called a terrible townie. There is no town motivatoin for that kind of play. Publicly stating to sheep your town read just gives you an excuse to be wrong with your vote because you were not responsible for it.

And suddenly vote switching in the last minutes onto the seemingly scum prplhz whom you had not mentioned again after dismissing Blazinghand's case as being a weak meta case is just something I don't understand.

Two possibilities:

1) You are town. You want to make sure prplhz gets lynched. But we already had the majority to lynch him. So why the last minute vote? We discussed prplhz a lot before the end of Day 1 and you did not give your stance on him.

2) You are scum. You wanted to get some town cred for jumping on "scum prplhz".

Right now I am leaning to 2 as you still haven't given me a satisfying answer for your voting behaviour.


Firstly, there's no reason you should be suspicious of iamperfection for his fakevote due to your comments on the prplzh fake-claim. As you have stated, prplzh's fake-claim is the thing that re-affirmed your scumread on him. Problem is, you show a complete ignorance of this mentality when attacking iamperfection. It's pretty clear that iamperfection switched his vote for the same reason that you re-affirmed your read on prplzh. Despite the supposedly similar mentalities, you show a complete unawareness of this when attacking iamperfection. It should have been obvious to you why he switched his vote. It reads like you are forcing suspicions, and this disconnect in your mentality reinforces this.

Now as for the bolded part, it just makes no damn sense. As marv said earlier, why hypothetical scum iamperfection try to get town cred for jumping on prplhz? Scum iamperfection would have known that prplzh was town. This makes 0% sense, and is more evidence for me that you're forcing cases/suspicion on players.

It also doesn't help that the overall post is just terrible analysis. You seem to be more ticked off at iamperfection for "voting responsibility" rather than actual scummy behavior. A townie switching his vote after a huge fail-claim is pretty normal (and obvious), yet for some reason you're completely oblivious to it.

I'm interested in hearing your response, but I can't think of any town-mentality for your suspicions on iamperfection. I will say that if you can't convince the town, dump your reads on as many players as you can, Right now, you're relentlessly tunneling iamperfection (and mementoss for a while... lol?). If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 02:01 GMT
#1156
For emphasis:

If you refuse to provide detailed reads on other players, I promise you will get lynched tomorrow.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 14:39 GMT
#1171
@ Anyone

On September 22 2012 13:33 Bluelightz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2012 01:33 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Bluelightz

1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing.

2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y.

3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on?


Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him.

On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game.


This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads?

Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better.


Point #2: I don't feel comfortable simply sheeping because it's probably my fault for being fingered for "Oh he only sheeped he might be scum", I don't like to sheep because of that.

Other point: Flooding the thread with my town reads aren't that useful if they're not the person being discussed, and that if I just flood the thread with town reads people will finger me for "He's only spouting town reads, he's not scum hunting kill him!"

TL;DR Don't like leaving things to chance

Ange777 will come after reading the thread.


Now normally I view these things as mafia-mentality. I don't know why a townie would be scared of making reads because people would point fingers or be suspicious of them. I see these defensive impulses as mafia traits.

However, as many of you have stated, this is Bluelightz. Is he capable of this as town? I honestly don't think so, since he's normally pretty reckless/carefree as town.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 19:47 GMT
#1211
Kinda liking the HiroPro lynch now tbh.

Palmar's putting in :effort: and I actually agree with him quite a bit on Hiro not pushing his lynches. Hiro wanted to lynch me at one point, but gave it up way too easily without pushing it at all. I'll be mulling things over. #1, I don't want to lynch Palmar. Still not sure about Ange.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#1216
##Unvote
##Vote HiroPro
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 19:52 GMT
#1217
Note, if Palmar's wrong about Hiro, kill Palmar.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 19:56 GMT
#1223
While we're at it, why is Hiro scum again? I'm mainly sheeping at this point.


Palmar and marv have posts about him. Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta and has been largely useless. He also built a huge-ass case on me and came off it for very little reason (without pushing it) to lynch austin.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 19:58 GMT
#1228
I'm still not sold on Ange being town. I however can see a situation in which she was town, and the iamperfection thing was just a really bad/illogical reaction to the prplhz flip. Confirmation bias on iamperfection perhaps.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 19:59 GMT
#1230
On September 23 2012 04:58 HiroPro wrote:
I didn't push my case on hapa because there was no one who actually seemed willing to vote for him.


You've also been pretty fucking useless all game.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:01 GMT
#1232
On September 23 2012 05:00 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
Hiro's playing more carefully than his town meta


Are you kidding me?


That's just what marv said, summarizing his point.

But point me to one useful thing you've done all game.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:04 GMT
#1234
On September 23 2012 05:02 HiroPro wrote:
Yes because "being useful" is such an amazing indicator of whether someone is scum or not. Go read my filter, it's clear you haven't.


I have. Point me to one useful thing you've done all game.

The only "case" you've made you immediately sheeped off because no one was voting for me. That's a pretty bullshit reason when you thought I was scum.

So please, point me to one useful thing you've done. If you can't, now's the time to start.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:07 GMT
#1236
Yeah he doesn't really give a shit about who is getting lynched.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:13 GMT
#1239
Yeah I'm pretty comfortable after looking at his D2 play. It reads like he doesn't give a shit about the lynch.

He sheeped Ange, then switched to Palmar for no explanation. All the while, he hasn't given a hard opinion on any other player in the game.

It doesn't help that he switched off his main scumread (me) after building a case on me just because no one wanted to vote me. Didn't push his case at all.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:18 GMT
#1243
Because it seems that Palmar cares. He's actually pushing his reads.

As for Ange, I'm still leaning scummy on her, but I can see situations where she flips town. Her play is illogical for sure, but it could be confirmation bais. I can see a townie doing that, and I agree with Palmar's read.

Hiro coming in and being willing to switch between Palmar and Ange devoid of reasoning makes me think they're both town.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:20 GMT
#1246
Don't forget, Ange wasn't accurate until D3/D4 in her newbie games. Again, I find the logic odd, but I can see it coming from town.

But seriously, look at Hiro's D2 play. There's nothing there.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:25 GMT
#1252
On September 23 2012 05:22 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 05:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Don't forget, Ange wasn't accurate until D3/D4 in her newbie games. Again, I find the logic odd, but I can see it coming from town.

But seriously, look at Hiro's D2 play. There's nothing there.

Ange was accurate D1 in the game I replaced in for her. Maybe XVI? Something.

Thread was mislynching, she had been afk for most of D1. She came in, rallied troops, found scum, wrote case, pushed, lynched scum. D1. Then replaced out, I came in, and eventually lost the game because I was dumb. qqqqqqqqqqqqq


I only saw Ange in XXII (nominated for best town play btw). In that game, she really did work on D3/D4, but not so much on the first two days.

I don't see Palmar caring. I don't see him pushing his reads.


He's pushing Hiro, and I happen to agree. Hiro hasn't done jack.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
September 22 2012 20:30 GMT
#1258
On September 23 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2012 05:25 Hapahauli wrote:
He's pushing Hiro, and I happen to agree. Hiro hasn't done jack.

He's not actually PUSHING hiro.

He gave his read, but that's it. There's no forward motion or anything, he just drops Hiro scummy at the start of the day, and then drops reasoning RIGHT BEFORE LYNCH.


I think that's fair. Admittedly, one of the reasons I have a semi-town read on Palmar is because of GoodKarma's filter.

I have a meta read on GK's filter - GK is more confrontational in the early game as scum, and more passive as town. Is Palmar confusing me? Yes. However, I do think he's telling the truth about Hiro either way.
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