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Hapahauli
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On September 21 2012 11:21 Hapahauli wrote: @ Zeph NULLNULLNULLNULLNULL jk. But seriously, thoughts on the Ange case? Also, your thoughts on Bluelightz (or anyone else you find scummy) would be cool to have. Turns out I was joking. SCUMSCUMSCUMSCUMSCUM | ||
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Hapahauli
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Hapahauli
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On September 21 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote: at least read my thoughts on his behaviour/meta and comment on it, Hapa. Have to run to class in a few minutes - hard to give an opinion without looking at his meta first. Be back in 2-3 hours. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Forget about Marv for a little bit. Explain to us why you think Ange could have made that mistake as town? Also, who are your scumreads right now? Marv and all, cool, but who else? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 22 2012 00:09 Palmar wrote: Hiro, then possibly bluelightz, or austinmcc, but austin I would rather not lynch right now. ange and zeph are much more in the null/leaning town territory. hapa, meme, iamperf are the guys I'm pretty sure are town. It's irrelevant, and sure I can make a case as to why I think Ange is town, but it's not going to be what you expect or what you want to hear. don't think I can today though. But we have plenty of time. The thing is... I just don't get this line of reasoning. It doesn't make sense. 1) It doesn't make sense that you think both HiroPro and Marv are scum. Marv could be bussing Hiro, but it's very unlikely they're both scum given Marv's opinions on Hiro over N1 and early D2. He specifically attacks Palmar for not providing reasoning on Hiro, then very obviously backtracked and now is reasonably convinced that Hiro is scum. Maybe one of them is scum, this is possible. But it's really unlikely that both are given Marv's actions. 2) Ange is null/leaning town. Cool. Just give us a reason. Any reason. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 21 2012 22:32 Palmar wrote: So let's say Ange gets lynched and flips town, are you going to try and lynch me for being useless. I don't think there's enough dumb players in this game. In fact, connecting an unrevealed lynch like that to me somehow is just reinforcing my belief that you should die today. You're basically already planning for the next move after Ange gets mislynched. Fuck that, I'm not allowing you to do that. ##Vote marvellosity @Restoftown: Here's a very simple reason for this vote. Marv just made a post where he's planning on how to proceed in the game without considering the results of his current plan right now, which is indicative of him having additional information that we don't have, ie already knowing how an Ange lynch will end. The bolded makes absolutely no sense. There are five people in the thread who think that Ange made a huge scumslip. Why wouldn't you move on and try to scumhunt? It's not like Ange is in here defending herself. This is an absolutely retarded reason to believe marv is scum. Why would a townie try to kick a player while they're not defending themselves? It makes no damn sense. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 22 2012 01:00 austinmcc wrote: I don't like marv/hiro scum either, but check marv's posts above. The change in stance is obvious, but the reasoning for the change is weak. I thought x meant he was town, now here's this one post and I think x means Hiro is scum. I mean marv could be scum, I just find it highly unlikely. Also, marv's point on Hiro is more of an overall meta argument than a single post. He's basically saying that Hiro is capable of making a longer post, in his scum meta, but his overall behavior is much more useless. I don't know if it's weak yet - haven't looked into it. I would like marv to elaborate more (specific filter examples) rather than telling us to look at someone's meta for specific behavior that we'll be prone to reading subjectively. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 22 2012 01:09 Mementoss wrote: I'm wondering if it's best for the town if we just settle this nonsense today. Marv vs Palmar If Ange comes in and defends herself decently, I could get behind that. | ||
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Hapahauli
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1. Mementoss's post's rather took my interest because he stood out out of the rest of teh people posting at the time, that't why I made my case on him, I took 10 quotes because I wanted to see how he posted after his original posting. DID YOU LOOK AT THE POST'S I QUOTED? Sure I wouldn't of made the case if Memen looked like he was contributing. 2. I didn't want to sheep, I always have my reasons for voting X or not voting Y. 3. How was I supposed to interact when I was sleeping when prplhz was on? Points #1 and #3 are fair, but Point #2 is one of my main issues. You shouldn't be concerned for giving your reasons for voting someone when there's a strong bandwagon on them. In your other games as town, you were very comfortable sheeping cases, or voting without detailing your reasoning. You bombing a semi-long case on prplzh when he had 4 votes on him was really odd, and IMO not something that should have crossed your mind if you largely agreed with the bandwagon on him. On my meta, I'm trying to NOT flood the town with 'useless' town reads, and keep them for when I need to defend them from a impending lynch, on the 'sure or not sure on reads' thing, I felt more confident with my choices on cases this game. This is odd to me. Why would you withhold information from the town. Waiting for a huge bandwagon to form on someone before you defend them is just strange. Why wouldn't you try to prevent that bandwagon/lynch in the first place by disclosing your town reads? Lastly, I'd like your comments on the Ange777 suspicions if possible. Any other reads you have would do. The more open, the better. | ||
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Hapahauli
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I've been reading through Hiro's filters, and I'm not quite ready to peg him has scum. I agree that I haven't seen him make such a comprehensive post in his townie meta, but that's not necessarily scummy to me. Could very well be a meta-deviation. His silence so far has been telling, and I'm starting to lean scum on him. Also, what is your exact read on Palmar right now? I'm having trouble determining whether you actually think he's scum or if you're just fighting with him 'cause you're pissed at him or something. | ||
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Hapahauli
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If you're around, please reply to some of our questions. In particular, I want to know how a Hiro + Marv scumteam (that you're proposing) even makes sense. Lastly, if you want to defend Ange, post why. I don't care if you think we won't find your answer sufficient - it doesn't help us if you have a read that you're not willing to post. Honestly, detailed comments of any suspicions would be appreciated. | ||
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Hapahauli
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If so, how does Hiro make sense as scum? It really doesn't. Let's look from hypothetical "scum-Palmar's" perspective: 1) Ange, his "scumbuddy" slipped 2) Palmar's second "scumbuddy," Hiro, was not under much suspicion from anyone but Palmar 3) ...then Palmar proceeds to call a shot on Hiro and mention him explicitly as his top scumread? There's no way this is true. Something's wrong in this equation. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 18 2012 23:48 Ange777 wrote: @Palmar: Why wouldn't scum say this? While I agree with Blazinghand and hapa leaning town, I can't understand how you are giving iamperfection townie points. On September 19 2012 00:07 Ange777 wrote: Mementoss did defend iamperfection whereas Palmar simply gave him town cred for apparentely no reason. But iamperfection himself had commented on Mementoss' defense so of course I am asking for his stance on Mementoss. ... You have shut down any discussion regarding Palmar's alignment. Ed note: directed at prplzh ...Why not? I don't like Palmar's style of just giving away all his reads without any single explanation other than to take his word for it. (But apparentely no one else is annoyed by this fact besides me.) I am perfectly fine with discussing new lynch targets but I need to know why someone proposes them to be lynched. ... I will probably check Palmar's filter once more later, furthermore I want to know where the lurkers like austin, Bluelightz, mkfuba07 and HiroPro have gone. Stop lurking and get in the game. There's much more, but the point is, Ange has been passively throwing suspicion at Palmar all game. She has constantly been doing this. If you think Ange is scum, it's incredibly unlikely that Palmar is scum. Scumbuddies just don't do this to each other. | ||
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Also, thoughts on Bluelightz? | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 22 2012 03:04 Mementoss wrote: I would disagree, I think if anything this makes it more likely that ange and palmar would be scum together. Ange has been throwing suspicion at Palmar all game, without doing a fucking thing a bout it. Thats a main point of my case on her, appearing useful through these points and questions, but really not having a purpose behind any of them, is scum motivation. They don't need a purpose they have the answers. Can you honestly say that these things ange said affected Palmar in any way whatsoever>? That's a fair point. I will say that Palmar defending Ange (if they're both scum) is a bit odd, considering how "obvious" the scumslip is. Honestly, I just think that this thing on Palmar's coming together a bit too easily. | ||
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Hapahauli
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Now I don't see how this makes sense from a scum-objective standpoint. If he just believed that prplzh was town near the gallows deadline, I'd find that scummy. But he's not. He's going out of his way to establish townie reads (and rather accurately so far). His only confirmed mistake thusfar is mkfuba, and that's something everyone got wrong. Is it possible that this is scum motivated? Yah sure, I mean scum have alignments of every player. But him going out of his way to establish multiple players as town isn't what I'd expect scum to do. Plus, if he and Ange were scum, from what marv is saying, he'd pretty much auto-bus her, especially after including her in a scumlist yesterday. I really want to hear what he has to say about Ange. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 22 2012 04:55 marvellosity wrote: yeah, you're just falling into the trap of being confused by his games. Pretty annoying to watch actually. I want Palmar dead more than I want Ange dead right now. ##Unvote ##Vote: Palmar Confused, yes. No reason to think he's scum though. As far as I'm concerned, Ange made a scumslip, and Palmar has D2 and D3 to prove his alignment one way or the other. | ||
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Hapahauli
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On September 22 2012 05:52 marvellosity wrote: You should be voting for Palmar. Everyone should. Probably Ange and Palmar are both mafia, but Palmar is way more of a threat. The discussion of the last few pages demonstrates that enough Oh come on. Palmar isn't a threat. | ||
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