On August 23 2012 19:05 Palmar wrote:Okay, I have a lot of things to catch up on.
I have a theory that GM trolled me this game, and everyone rolled scum, that's how you guys seem to be playing anyway.
VisceraEyes is the key to this game. Early on I suspected him heavily of being scum, but his constant flip-flopping and random attacks, along with a surprisingly well thought out accusation of Lvdr made me rethink my stance on him, and at the moment I'm going to risk counting him among town. So now that I've put VisceraEyes in the town category, it's time to start thinking about how people connect to him, and have reacted to his presence.
I'd like to congratulate the scumteam though, there's not a single one of you completely obvious by now, which is strange.
Lvdr:Lvdr does have a few weird things in his filter indeed:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 11:46 Lvdr wrote:@Palmar You've gone all silent on me. I have questions.
Do you think there is no reason to be looking at the players at the moment?
If the day was ending today, who would you vote, and why?
Recycling my questions is hardly relevant, especially since he was the one claiming the game was in "downtime". Which to any sane townie should mean that the heat needed to be turned on, instead of just accepting shitty play. This doesn't make him scum though, he might just have no idea how the game works.
Asking for an explanation of the random lynch strategy is dumb, but I've seen enough dumb people do it to not try to link it to him being scum.
I also hate the constant ##FOS bullshit, it's pointless, no one gives a fuck about what you suspect if you have nothing to act on it.
Lvdr has multiple things that make me think he might be scum. And the point VisceraEyes made about him assuming VE is town, is actually quite valid. The problem is that once again there's a chance Lvdr might just be a townie who assumes VE is town.
talismaniac:Very little content. He's been completely non-commital throughout the game. There exists a connection between him and Lvdr, in the form of talismaniac sheeping VE immediately based on the "scumslip" that happened. This doesn't necessarily mean they cannot both be scum (lvdr and talis), but it makes it less likely.
talis also has an extremely large percentage of his posts focused somehow on VE, I'm not sure what to make of it.
If we do default to a lurker lynch, I think talis should be the one hanging, he's basically done nothing through the game.
Obvious:This is the problem when play with new people, I have no idea how bad obvious is at mafia.
List of obvious's achievements this game:
1. talk like yoda for a bit
2. talk about policy lynches
3. post an analysis on kville, basically rehashing what had already been said
4. try to lynch me on dumb policy anyway.
Here's the problem. Obvious's play is completely fucking terrible. the question remains, is he scum because of it? He's basically throwing away any intention of actually trying to scumhunt by wanting to lynch me based on the fact that I want to randomly lynch a guy on day 1.
Now everyone knows by now that the random lynch has nothing to do with alignment, it's been suggested by townies and scum throughout tl mafia games, and the effort involved is simply typing "hey let's random lynch, ok guys?". It's a complete and utter null tell about someone's alignment.
What is interesting is that Obvious has completely neglected to look at my play beyond that notion. If you want to lynch someone, you have to look at what he has done in the game. Trying to lynch me is not scummy, per se, it's how he's trying to lynch me.
Can someone who's played with obvious before tell me just how bad he is? Like you have to be pretty fucking bad to think this kind of playing is valid, but I've lynched terrible townies before...
marvFuck you marv, if I had a gun I'd shoot you for being useless and terrible.
ShadyHaving not played with him before and knowing nothing about the guy, I wrote him off as a pointless townie. Some people seem to be suggesting that he might be much more outspoken when he's town.
There's a link between shady and ve, it's very unlikely they're scum together, but seeing as I think VE is town, that's kind of redundant.
He might well be scum, for all I know, but not knowing his meta there's nothing glaringly obvious about his play at the moment.
KvilleStrange one, similar position to obivous. He came into the thread in the worst possible way, but I like his attitude after fucking up. There's no persistance on the marv vote, he's willing to reconsider his stances and such.
I already explained how I felt about him coming into the thread here:
Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote:
Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread.
While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum.
Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you?
I'm going to roll the dice on town for this guy.
I'll probably write more and make a decision what I want to lynch
at the moment I'm leaning obvious.
EPT
