EPTOn September 18 2012 09:39 Blazinghand wrote:
lol hapa
lol hapa
wat? I find those things can be scumtells. Walk into the thread, "LOL UR CASE SHIT" doesn't strike me as particularly townie.
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wat? I find those things can be scumtells. Walk into the thread, "LOL UR CASE SHIT" doesn't strike me as particularly townie. | ||
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But back to iamperfection, I'm definitely leaning scummy to him for now. I can't yet discount him just being plain pissed that you voted for him (a townie OMGUS type thing), but the sudden severity of it all is just really strange. | ||
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On September 18 2012 09:55 Mementoss wrote: Answer this, why would scum make their first post that? It obviously wouldn't do anything towards getting Marv lynched. It would only bring negative attention towards himself. First post as in the rando lynch thing? Well that's not indicative of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, considering he mentioned it was pre-planned. What I find strange is his opinion on BH's case. Flips out very suddenly, and I'm currently reading it as scummy in context of the lack of contributions he's had so far. I'll need much more to vote him though. Top scumread's still U btw. | ||
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Your "case" is based on two things: 1) That I voted iamperfection based on his random vote. This is false 2) "Defending" prplhz - this is misleading #1 On September 18 2012 10:00 Hapahauli wrote: First post as in the rando lynch thing? Well that's not indicative of his alignment as far as I'm concerned, considering he mentioned it was pre-planned. What I find strange is his opinion on BH's case. Flips out very suddenly, and I'm currently reading it as scummy in context of the lack of contributions he's had so far. I'll need much more to vote him though. Top scumread's still U btw. #2: I'm not defending prphlz. I didn't have an opinion on prphlz (and still don't btw). I just thought BH's case was bad, and that should be pretty clear from my filter. | ||
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let's look at this post for instance. This is a confirmation bias-kind of post, but it in no way means anything to IAMP's alignment. In fact, it is just another null tell. Yet for some odd reason that I can't think of, someone cursing at a case(made by BH of all people) is somehow over-the-top scummy See this is the issue here: Hapahauli finds something on IMP's post and thinks it's scummy. It is a scumtell. What part of BH's post here do you not understand? Sure iamperfection could be townie but his lack of contribution so far combined with this is a scumtell. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=8#146 But seriously, you accuse me of having confirmation bias and then accuse me of being scum? That makes perfect sense. The funniest part of this all(that I just realized)? He never voted IMP! Even though he proposes imp's lynch twice(first after his random vote, then now by saying he is over-the-top scummy), he is set on mementoss. His reasoning is explained as mementoss being 'wishy-washy' on almost less evidence than BH himself! YOU ARE LYING AGAIN. I haven't voted IMP because mementoss is my top scumread. I have mentioned this here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=8#151 Finally, dismissing a case = defending the player. If you are going to dismiss a case, you either provide solid evidence(more than 'this case is bad because it is not researched enough' even though it had 3 months worth of research) or you show why the attacked player is townie. Wrong again. I "dismissed" the case on the basis that it was a meta-read based on 6 of prplhz's posts within the first hour of the game. That much should be obvious and clear. Also, BH dropped his read on prplhz pretty quick, so we're not talking about an incredibly sound "3 months worth of research" meta case here. Is NOT at all part of my case. I never, EVER, mentioned that you voted him. I mentioned that you proposed that he is a good player to be lynched after his BS from the first-post(which in turn leads you to be eligible to the Zephirdd Rule). Who is not reading? You're not reading. Hell I think you're deliberately misrepresenting yourself now. Your "rule:" "The person that thinks the bullshit from a first post to be scummy is almost certainly scum." I criticized iamperfection's first post. I have NOT called it scummy. I have explicitly called it NULL in my filter. You Are A Liar (or a really really bad townie - but I won't pursue that until I finish with mementoss and iamperfection) | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote Zephirdd | ||
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am I misrepresenting? YES You did propose his lynch. A town player is supposed to lynch scum, so why would you propose his lynch? If you are proposing someone's lynch, it certainly is because you think he is scum. Or is it? Hint hint there are several ways to react to that post in a townie manner. They were done just before you did. Apparently my humor befuddles you. Shall I explain it or will you re-read it with the correct intent? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=3#59 On September 18 2012 12:52 Zephirdd wrote: Also, it's funny that Mementoss is supposed to be your strongest scum read when you talked so much about IMP. In fact, it's funny that you post this: but mementoss is still your scum read here: Yes and? I explained very clear my stances here. I am "leaning scummy" on iamperfection. MMtoss is my top scumread. So are you suggesting that the second I declared MMtoss my top scumread, I must immediately tunnel the shit out of him when he's not posting and refuse to peruse other reads? Cause it sounds like it. Your whole case on IMP is that he reacted to marv's case by cursing. You called that over the top scummy. Your whole case on Mementoss is simply terrible to warrant a vote. Hell, even your pressure-vote on austin wasn't the brightest of them. I mean, what can we get from that? That you are being useful by making others do their work? And then you top it off with a pretty OMGUS. :D Yes that is my whole case on IMP. Me and BH find it scummy. For some reason, you do not. You have not yet explained why my "case" on mmtoss is bad. My "pressure" vote on austinmcc served it's purpose - got him to post his rationale for his sheeping on the BH case. You sound like you want me to write a multi-paged meta-dissertation on all my early D1 scumreads. Call it an OMGUS, but you're my top scumread now. This is a terrible case, and you've been misrepresenting me for the last three posts. | ||
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On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote: tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you. How do you go from over-the-top scummy into 'leaning scum'? Ok now you're just dense. My posts on iamperfection this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=3#59 Sarcastic proposal mimicing the language IAMP's proposition. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=7#137 "over the top AND scummy" , NOT "over-the-top scummy" ****you're misreading the shit outta this**** http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=8#143 "doesn't strike me as particularly townie" http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=369250¤tpage=8#149 "leaning scummy" Any contradictions here? May I borrow your beer goggles? I am suggesting that you should push your scum read when you have a freaking scum read. Hmmm... so I'll push MMtoss when he's not in the thread. That's so productive! Why didn't I think of that?! I'll get PLENTLY of stuff done on day 1 by attacking a player who isn't here! OMG you're so good! =D (/scarcasm since you missed my last bit of humor) I pushed MMtoss as much as I could while he was in the thread. He is not in the thread, therefore I'll pursue other reads. Your case on him is that you think he is wishy-washy. that's it. Apparently, being wishy-washy day1 is scummier than the over-the-top scum. Before you say it, I'm not misrepresenting anything here. And again, you misread the shit out of my posts. I said a post by IamP "over the top AND scummy" , not "over-the-top scummy." Secondly, my "case" is based more than on just him being wishy-washy. He soft-pushed suspicion on austinmcc, made excuses for his early vote even though it was not suspicious, and on top of all that was overall very wishy-washy. This, in my mind, is a perfectly legitimate reason to pressure someone on Day 1, given that all those actions are considered scumtells. | ||
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On September 18 2012 13:40 Zephirdd wrote: tbh hapa, there is very little that would change my mind coming from you. But this is my cue to ignore you for the rest of the game. It looks like you're misreading the shit out of my posts and that doesn't necessarily make you scummy. It's equally likely that you're bad town. Null for now, and back to mementoss. Looking forward to hearing from Ange777 and bluelightz who have not yet posted. ##Unvote ##Vote mementoss | ||
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G'nite folks. | ||
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@ HiroPro: hapa was the person who brought up suspicion of Mementoss for jumping onto the prplhz case early. Yet later hapa tried to say that no one was supicious of Mementoss for voting early and says that Mementoss is making unneccessary excuses. When hapa asked me for my thoughts on Mementoss, that was one of the points I brought up. Yet hapa has completely ignored it. So not only did hapa not remember his own read, which suggests it's fake, but then he ignores me when I point out a direct flaw in his case. Apologies if I ignored you before - I got caught up in Zeph's case most of last night and didn't think about much else. But you do bring up a good point on that mementoss post (in regards to him defending himself), and I'll concede that as a contradiction. I'll withdraw my vote on MMtoss for now. Also Hiro, I'm also eager to hear what you think about marv's case + vote on you. ##Unvote | ||
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Well first-off, I don't know why people are giving Palmar townie points all of a sudden. He's capable of being insterested in a game as scum: I present to you his filter Bureaucracy Mafia: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086 Not to say that he is scum (I agree with him on Iamperfection after thinking about it some), but this isn't indicative of his alignment methinks. That being said, looking to hear more about his vote on Marv. I agree marv hasn't been as active as usual, but he did spend a lot of time finishing his Newbie game last night. I don't think his early game activity is yet indicative of his alignment. | ||
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Regarding this: On September 19 2012 01:35 marvellosity wrote: No, it's not convincing, but I found his point about throwing a bunch of new candidates into an already divided town pretty decent. I disagree on GK for the reason I outlined earlier. Why do you find Hiro's point compelling if you think he's mafia? You had your vote firmly on him at this point, and I don't understand why you'd be all of a sudden so willing to listen to, what appears to me as a weak observation about Palmar? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1. | ||
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@ Marv Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember you being fairly critical of the town in DN Mini mafia for wanting to lynch Palmar D1. Also, are you voting Palmar because you think he's scum? It looks to me like you're using it as an insult as opposed to voting for scum. | ||
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On September 19 2012 02:28 HiroPro wrote: Why are my points on goodkarma/Palmar weak. Explain. I've explained my thoughts on GoodKarma already. He's capable of making that post as town or scum. As for Palmar, him being suspicious of a couple of people when entering the thread doesn't mean he's mafia. An interesting observation for sure, but not one that is telling of alignment. | ||
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On September 19 2012 05:03 HiroPro wrote: Is this something that hapa normally feels? I remember him voting for Palmar in DN for no other reason than that Palmar was trolling. You'll know that I got off my palmar vote in that game pretty quickly - you of all people should know this, because I spent the latter half of Day 1 in DN tunneling you. | ||
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On September 19 2012 04:39 marvellosity wrote: Ange, dear, what do you make of Hapa's point in the first place? Like, Hapa is a clever fellow. The line of reasoning he proposed - "you think he's scum therefore why would you consider what he has to say" seems really off to me. Not quite as off as prplhz agreeing with it mind, but off nonetheless. How is it off? It can be scummy in a certain context, and your explanation makes sense enough. What I have an issue with, is your completely off-the-wall stance on Palmar this game that you still have not answered for. You have vocally made known your displeasure for voting Palmar in a previous game, saying it was a really stupid idea. Then all of a sudden you are more than willing to throw an OMGUS vote against Palmar for no sane reason I can think of. It's not even clear you did it because you thought he was mafia. Your rationale was based around that you think he's "awful" this game, and that Palmar somehow wouldn't get a D1 read wrong. I think you're a much better player than this, which bothers me. Until I get a straight answer: ##Vote Marvellosity | ||
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On September 19 2012 05:19 marvellosity wrote: The fact is that you made the vote at all, Hapa. So what? I made a mistake that game and I've since learned from it. Lynching Palmar D1 is a bad idea. Problem is, you know that lynching Palmar D1 is a bad idea, and yet you voted him in pure OMGUS. | ||
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"read the fucking thread" | ||
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