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thrawn2112
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kushm4sta
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Also I think my case is good/ | ||
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thrawn2112
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thrawn2112
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kushm4sta
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You asked for a summary I gave you one. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Thrawn is scum Jacob is scum too. Either Killing or Atreides are the third one. My eggs are in Atreides' basket because he 1) busses thrawn and 2) thrawn makes a weak-ass case on him to further make him look townie after the flip. I didn't really have a scumread on Atreides prior, neither on Killing. But the third scum is up for discussion when it's relevant. For now, I say we should lynch thrawn. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 25 2012 01:25 thrawn2112 wrote: The only part of that jacob case I buy is the meta argument.... all the others are just as easily explained by weak early game town play, confirmation bias from jacob when making cases (a town trait), and your own confirmation bias against him. Other than things that could be town play what has he done that is specifically and obviously scummy? | ||
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Atreides-
United States103 Posts
On September 25 2012 01:51 Dandel Ion wrote: ##vote thrawn2112 Thrawn is scum Jacob is scum too. Either Killing or Atreides are the third one. My eggs are in Atreides' basket because he 1) busses thrawn and 2) thrawn makes a weak-ass case on him to further make him look townie after the flip. I didn't really have a scumread on Atreides prior, neither on Killing. But the third scum is up for discussion when it's relevant. For now, I say we should lynch thrawn. You were leaning on debears earlier, but now you vote thrawn without a single word of explanation? And you accuse me of bandwagoning...even though I made it clear after the end of night 2 that I wanted thrawn lynched. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 25 2012 02:00 Atreides- wrote: You were leaning on debears earlier, but now you vote thrawn without a single word of explanation? And you accuse me of bandwagoning...even though I made it clear after the end of night 2 that I wanted thrawn lynched. You can debate your place as the third scum. As I said, I'm not certain on the third. But I did not just vote thrawn out of nowhere, so don't even try to suggest that. | ||
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thrawn2112
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You came in talking about remedy (I was pushing very hard against remedy directly prior to being scummy of rethos/you), you vote for stutters as he starts becoming the main bandwagon, and you eventually end up back on remedy, also a big bandwagon. Now you're voting for me based off (from what I can tell from what you;'re implying in your argument) the stuff that has happened recently... and I'm also the biggest bandwagon. Your only unique vote was for debears, who you unvoted as soon as someone else became the bandwagon, and since then you've barely mentioned him at all. | ||
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debears
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On September 24 2012 19:30 thrawn2112 wrote: The mason thing first: Typing "gogogo" and "post as soon as you humanly can" is so sharrant would know that I'm expecting him to answer right then, immediately. If I just said "can you post the mason chat sometime" and he posted it like 30 minutes later, I wouldn't know if it was because he wasn't in a rush or if he was busy making it up. It only came about during the night becuase that's when sharrant posted. He hadn't posted in awhile and I saw he has just posted something else, so I needed to take advantage of him being in the thread at that moment. For switching targets in D2: Not sure exactly what your argument is, other than that it was me trying to confusion. Well I do post very frequently and I refresh the mafia forums several times/hour so if something occurs to me while reading new posts then I'm going to bring it up. And there is more than one scum right? When I stop tunneling someone it's not always because I am no longer suspicious of them. For instance, I still think killing is scummy but my next filter to go through is probably going to be dandel's and the D1 filter of rethos. The reason why I didn't want town to talk about lurkers forever: I've played in a few games where town makes a big huge deal out of saying exactly why lurkers are so awful and people either agree or disagree but either way it goes on for far too long. Usually in those cases town ends up agreeing to do a lurker lynch... they right out and say it in the thread. So the rest of D1 ends up being the townies saying who they think is the lurkiest, lurkers saying "I'm not lurking as much as this guy," and mafia who blend in by saying who they think is the lurkiest. Our D1 discussion didn't need to follow down that path... so I deliberately said something that would get the first accusations flying. For my defense of you: I saw nothing in your posts that made you look mafia, and I did see things that made you look town. For instance when you agreed with me about drazak you bolded those words in his post, called attention to them, and made it a part of your argument, which was not a part of my argument. So in that example you had done independent analysis rather than latch on to the exact argument of my idea.... something I associate with town more than mafia. And maybe I was a little biased towards you... after all I was explaining to sonic in a pretty straightforward way exactly why I had made that "lynch last player" post, and he just didn't understand what I was saying, then you come in and try to explain it to him and then people start getting suspicious of you just for being logical. Voting for drazak: It was done under the combination of him being a lurker, and his vote with no justification. You say killing had an equally weird vote... that killing vote you quoted happened quite a bit earlier, the drazak thing happened after my main read had just claimed mason and I was trying to decided who to vote on. And yes that killing vote does look weird and only further adds to my suspicions of killing. ##Vote: KillingTime I get the part that if you are town, gettin sharrant to answer quickly about the qt would mean he couldn't forge it. However, that still leaves the question of why you would do it at night, when you could have easily waited until the day. As you said, sharrant wasn't posting much. What is really odd is that you were commanding the thread (our strongest poster as I said earlier), yet sharrant gets killed. Although sharrant was confirmed, which you didn't believe, you would have been a bigger priority to the mafia if you were town since you were active. Combine that with the timing of you asking for sharrant's 2nd qt thread, and sharrant's death, and it's very suspicious. And, if you factor in the claimed roleblocks, it all makes even more sense. Also, you had said, after checking the 1st qt yourself, that he couldn't have forged it. Why the double check all of a sudden? On the day 2 arguments, I didn't explain it as well as I wanted. Let me clear it up. My problem was first the confusion you have caused with making all those cases. Second, you voted for drazak, who had the same or less evidence as killing, despite thinking that the mafia interfered with a killing bus. Then, you vote for remedy over rethos/dandel, although remedy has the same or less accusations than retho/dandel. Less if you count the lying from rethos and the lying/lack of defense of dandel after I went after dandel. Both coincidentally led to mislynchs. This is all I can get for now in terms of looking at the rest of the post due to time constraints.... It seems like you made decent points (I just addressed the drazak over killing). The part about lurkers can make sense, but the fact you brought it up and the fact that we had no idea who to lynch behind sharrant is very coincidental. And about your defense of me, you hadn't brought it up about the drazak post at the time (unless I missed it) so it could be possible that you see it now and bring it up. Can't be sure on it though. My vote still stands with you | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On September 25 2012 02:06 thrawn2112 wrote: Dandel you have an amazing track record of bandwagoning onto the most popular cases. You came in talking about remedy (I was pushing very hard against remedy directly prior to being scummy of rethos/you), you vote for stutters as he starts becoming the main bandwagon, and you eventually end up back on remedy, also a big bandwagon. Now you're voting for me based off (from what I can tell from what you;'re implying in your argument) the stuff that has happened recently... and I'm also the biggest bandwagon. Your only unique vote was for debears, who you unvoted as soon as someone else became the bandwagon, and since then you've barely mentioned him at all. And you have an amazing track record of mislynching and trying to mislynch towns. And neat wording right there: and you eventually end up back on remedy, also a big bandwagon. You probably didn't find enough examples, so you have to mention him twice, huh? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
I had previously decided to ask sharrant for that qt the very next time that I saw him post in the thread... I refreshed, saw that he had posted recently, and so I wanted to take advantage of the opportunity. I could only initiate asking the question if I knew both he and I were in the thread at the same time. That happened, so I did it then. And I did believe his claim, I just had to be sure. The thing that pushed me over the edge into believing the mason claim was the timestamps, no way those coould be faked. But later on I decided to check some of the other timestamps (other than the two I didn't check), but I couldn't find any posts from the qt that I could reference to a specific part of the thread. So he could have faked the only two that would be fact checkable and just made quick reasonable guesses at the rest. Didn't believe it, but had to be sure. On dropping the dandel vote.. first because it's common to give replacements some time, and also because the posts dandel were making when he was trying hard to get people to talk about remedy were something that either town or mafia would do so I didn't have too much of a read on him. If you're town and you know you're gonna get mislynched you need to keep trying to get people to scumhunt with you so that your flip will provide town with information. I outlined all that here. My vote for drazak over killing was because of drazak's strange vote. Believe that or not if you want but that was my reason. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 25 2012 02:13 Dandel Ion wrote:You probably didn't find enough examples, so you have to mention him twice, huh? No, you went from a remedy, to stutters, then back to remedy while making a case against debears that you dropped as soon as stutters started picking up votes... and you've said almost nothing about debears since. I asked you about it when it happened and you even said debears was actually your strongest read. | ||
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thrawn2112
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I'd like to know what you think about kush and killing | ||
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Dandel Ion
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I have mentioned debears often enough, methinks. Nobody is interested in debears being scum, and with my current theory, debears actually ISN'T scum. Which is a shame, I had a pretty strong read. But you know what? I am willing to admit I was most likely wrong about debears. I think that Kush is town. In fact, he is the most town. I'm still null on Killing. How that's possible given the gamelenght? It's the magic of lurking. Story of this game. All of those you could've found out if you actually paid attention. Or maybe you did pay attention and just want to discredit me as a "bandwagoner". Who knows | ||
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