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On September 24 2012 23:50 thrawn2112 wrote:
so dandel, what is going through your mind? you promised reads today
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=55#1094
Oh man, I planned on doing a baller post on my likely scumteam today, which would have been debears + thrawn + atreides, [...]
My plan hath been foiled by the developments the thread took while I was away/sleeping.
Like I said, I'm pretty convinced one of debears and you is scum. At the moment I'm still leaning towards debears scum.
But I would also not at all be surprised if it was you.
Atm I'm reading, thinking and reading again to determine which one of you is a pimp. I don't know for sure, yet.
But if debears is scum, atreides is too (also note the consecutive votes on thrawn, reeks pretty bad of communication between those two)
And if thrawn is scum, then Jacob is too (I call this "Scumteam Spam" in my head)
I am kind of disconcerted by the lack of an obvious 3rd scum, but at this as-good-as MYLO situation, I can't be picky.
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Also, Sharky, where the fuck you at?
I know you've been working hard to gain the title "King of Lurkers", but you're a confirmed town, so MAN THE FUCK UP and vote a scumread.
With any other player, I'd just tell everyone to sheep the confirmed town, but with Sharky, that'll do us a fat load of good....
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On September 25 2012 00:20 kushm4sta wrote:
##vote jacob
Do you agree that if jacob is scum, thrawn is too (and vice versa)?
If so, why don't you want to go for thrawn, who people already are willing to vote for?
Are you going to push for Jacob instead?
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I agree that town blues should roleclaim today, we have to get the lynch correct this time so there's no reason to hold it. Would clarify the whole roleblock mess.
On September 24 2012 21:09 Dandel Ion wrote:
Also, a no-lynch would be absolutely terrible and it would mean we are throwing the game.
Which I don't want to do.
It would put us at 4 town and 3 mafia after the third night. There's a chance to win, but a bad one at that. I agree that it's a bad idea, I just wanted to point out that it's still better than doing ANOTHER coinflip lynch (Killing).
On September 24 2012 23:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Flip blue, not town blue... as town with no help from anyone or discussion about blues and who could be blue why would one of them possibly flip blue... actually I am going to bold this I want an answer, for the most part you seem town but this set alarm bells off
Slip of the keyboard, I meant to say town. That way it makes sense considering the sentence beforehand. Scum wouldn't be able to tell the difference between green / blue anyway...
Going AFK for a few hours but I can check from my phone
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kush what's your case against jacob? I don't want to read a another long ass filter walkthrough... just what about him is scummy?
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We do not know that there are 3 mafia.
Assuming there are though, 4 to 3 if we mislynch
3 to 3 when they nk.
3 to 2 if vig shoots scum.
Town can still win.
Therefore vig do not claim.
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@jacob I read your wall of text and i still dont get your joke. Please explain you joke.
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And jacob same thing for kush. What's your case against him condensed down to something readable? Previously I thought both of you were town because you were going at it so hard that I thought you couldn't be bussing... but one of you could be mafia.
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Has anyone else been roleblocked the whole game? I'd think that if so they would have said so by now so I'm assuming there's a mafia roleblocker.
Also if cop is out there you absolutely need to claim today. Yes you will probably be nk'd but your information would be invaluable to us in this situation.
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Also, any townie that wants to take credit for rb'ing me? It'd eliminate one person from the potential mafia list. If so make sure you include your reasons why for each of the roleblocks.
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On September 25 2012 00:24 Dandel Ion wrote:Do you agree that if jacob is scum, thrawn is too (and vice versa)?
Not necessarily. I have too many null reads to have association theories like that.
Null reads
debears
atreides
killing time
Town reads
Sharky (game mvp)
Dandel (rethos leaving the game like that still strikes me as hella town)
Scum reads
Jacob
Thrawn
If so, why don't you want to go for thrawn, who people already are willing to vote for?
Are you going to push for Jacob instead?
Thrawn is big scumread from just the content of his posts. I was reading his posts today and thinking to myself fuck this guy looks scum.
Except that roleblock thing is bugging me a lot.
It's not as simple as he lied about it. The simplest answer is usually right, and I think ,just regarding the roleblock situation, it's way simpler that thrawn is town and getting rb than his scumteam is capitalizing on the lack of scum roleblock to make thrawn look town.
Could the scumteam be doing that? Yes, and thrawn even mentioned that during his first game a ton of fake roleblocks happened.
My second shred of doubt comes from me thinking about thrawn's meta. I actually don't know his meta that well I realized. I have played 2 games with him.
The first game was easy mode and ended pretty early, due to dandel's terribad mafia play.
In the second game nk the first night.
The way he is perfectly willing to throw out one case and jump to another though, it looks so scummy. Aggressively wishy washy.
Also that whole stutters fiasco. It seems like he wanted to look like he would lynch stutters but actually didn't want to lynch him. And then when stutters turns out town suddenly his "mafia always bandwagons on d1 lynch" theory is thrown out.
As soon as dandel was looking like it wasn't going to happen, he started a bandwagon for remedy after one post from killing suspecting but not voting for remedy.
So thrawn is still a scumread but I am more sure of jacob, because of my aforementioned doubts about thrawn. And I would rather lynch jacob.
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Kush when I made that theory I specifically said that the assumption about mafia voting for drazak gave was the weakest assumption in the theory. (no actual evidence at all to support it, just history of games I've played)
And then with you wanting to vote switch to stutters I can't think why you'd do that if you're scum...once remedy was set to be mislynched you could have just let it be.
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That tired as mafia I would never post in this thread it would be INSANE.
Is that why you are taking scum notes? So you don't slip up when you are tired?
Taking notes is just an inherently scummy thing to do. Town doesn't have to try hard to keep their story straight.
Also jacob still you need to answer my question. What the fuck was that thrawn joke you posted right after the flip about? Please explain it I don't have your sophisticated European sense of humor.
Also dandel is in both your supposed scumteams? You don't even tell us what those scumteams are. Also you have never even put any heat on dandel.
Summary of my case against jacob;
Extremely wishy washy early game, contributing no original ideas.
Arguments are built like: suspect first, squeeze out a case later.
Sudden walls of text as a defense mechanism.
Not matching last game's meta. He was not a tunneler last game at all. His post lengths were consistent throughout the entire game.
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On September 25 2012 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:Taking notes is just an inherently scummy thing to do. Town doesn't have to try hard to keep their story straight.
Kush please re-read this so I don't have to point out how dumb it is
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I reread it I still think it's smart. care to enlighten me?
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The only part of that jacob case I buy is the meta argument.... all the others are just as easily explained by weak early game town play, confirmation bias from jacob when making cases (a town trait), and your own confirmation bias against him.
Other than things that could be town play what has he done that is specifically and obviously scummy?
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Uh I took notes for my first two mafia games and I've heard of others who do it as well... don't see why taking notes is more scummy than more town.
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better than your cases on killing and atreides imo
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