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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:16 Atreides- wrote: The instant bandwagon against him is pretty interesting, and it's obvious now that the mafia had a strong hand in it. No? What caused that instant bandwagon was sharrant telling everybody that he and cubu were masons. suddenly our 2 bandwagons went to shit and town had to insta pick another because time was almost up. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: My thoughts on killing vs drazak. drazak I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. killingtime i was in the process of reading his filter just now, but i just realized the deadline already passed. so fail. Kush, you have been a big "we must lynch the biggest lurker" advocate. Based on that last line you were writing that post before you saw the drazak flip right? So not only did you not follow your own policy in your final vote (there are lurkier people than drazak), you also voted for someone that you didn't think is scummy. On top of all of that your drazak vote was even worse than drazak's sharrant vote. Time to go read through your filter. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:22 kushm4sta wrote: No? What caused that instant bandwagon was sharrant telling everybody that he and cubu were masons. suddenly our 2 bandwagons went to shit and town had to insta pick another because time was almost up. yeah and instead of staying around to discuss which candidate was better you just voted for one of them with no explanation | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:22 thrawn2112 wrote: Kush, you have been a big "we must lynch the biggest lurker" advocate. Based on that last line you were writing that post before you saw the drazak flip right? So not only did you not follow your own policy in your final vote (there are lurkier people than drazak), you also voted for someone that you didn't think is scummy. On top of all of that your drazak vote was even worse than drazak's sharrant vote. Time to go read through your filter. sighhh... yes that post was before i saw the flip. i was in the process of looking through killing's filter to try to figure out if i would rather vote for him. Cubu was the biggest lurker and i think it's obvious after sharrant's roleclaim that we shouldn't lynch him anymore. who is the next biggest lurker? no one comes to mind really and i didn't have time to find out esp not on my cell phone. drazak seemed like the only option at the time. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
this all happened at the last minute you have to realize. i did not have time to weigh my options. all i knew was that i didn't want to vote for cubu anymore. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:33 kushm4sta wrote: sighhh... yes that post was before i saw the flip. i was in the process of looking through killing's filter to try to figure out if i would rather vote for him. Cubu was the biggest lurker and i think it's obvious after sharrant's roleclaim that we shouldn't lynch him anymore. who is the next biggest lurker? no one comes to mind really and i didn't have time to find out esp not on my cell phone. drazak seemed like the only option at the time. Why would you say that? Basically everyone made it clear they were open for voting on Killing. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
@ thrawn you are the one who pushed a lynch on the active, obviously town, mason. you are the one who right after said it might still be a good idea to lynch cubu. you are the one who shoudl feel bad. goodnight. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:40 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Why would you say that? Basically everyone made it clear they were open for voting on Killing. No! When i voted for drazak everyone made it clear they wanted to vote for drazak... page 21... sharrant, CONFIRMED TOWN, as far as I am concerned at this point, says My biggest lurker lynch candidate is Drazak, by far. then sdm votes drazzak. drazak says some scummy shit. this was the stuff i read at the time, not his filter. then thrawn says So killing/drazak but I say drazak. then i say ok looks like drazzak is the bandwagon then ##vote drazzak | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
I should feel bad because I pushed for a lynch on a player that I thought was scummy all game and then later lied to try and cover it up? Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing? Your last post is pretty much just an omgus accusation. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 20 2012 09:53 kushm4sta wrote: No! When i voted for drazak everyone made it clear they wanted to vote for drazak... page 21... sharrant, CONFIRMED TOWN, as far as I am concerned at this point, says then sdm votes drazzak. drazak says some scummy shit. this was the stuff i read at the time, not his filter. then thrawn says then i say He was #1 on most lists, but everyone had Killing as an option. I even posted that in bold letters to make sure that people didn't think I made a vote I considered final. I still stand behind my drazak vote though. It's always easy to use ex-post reasoning when after he flipped green, but at the time I thought they were both good candidates. Anyway, I think we all need a break right now. At least I do. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 20 2012 10:00 thrawn2112 wrote: kush it's not a good idea to go to bed angry, you will just wake up with the same poopy pants you wore to bed I should feel bad because I pushed for a lynch on a player that I thought was scummy all game and then later lied to try and cover it up? Why do you think his mason status is such a sure thing? Your last post is pretty much just an omgus accusation. I need to go back to take a really close look at his filter. But when you say this, what are you referring to? That you thought he was lying at the time? That you still think he's lying? Or is there anything you think he's said that is a confirmed lie at this point? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On September 20 2012 10:08 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I need to go back to take a really close look at his filter. But when you say this, what are you referring to? That you thought he was lying at the time? That you still think he's lying? Or is there anything you think he's said that is a confirmed lie at this point? both, thought it at the time and still think it now Here's why I think the mason claim is fabricated. Before he had revealed what the plan was, he had this to say about it: On September 20 2012 00:54 Sharrant wrote: were my plan successful the information would still be 50/50 on proving mafia. Plan successful according to his explanation of the plan = he baits mason claims out of scum debears and scum thrawn, and because he is a mason he will have caught us lying because his experience of masons are that if there are more than 2 then they all share the same qt. Soooo where does the 50/50 part come into this? When he first threw out the 50/50 line I was thinking something along the lines of him being a cop and worrying about framers or godfathers and such. My imagined notion of his plan didn't make much sense to me, and with that 50/50 part his given explanation of his plan doesn't seem consitent from before he explanaied the plan and after he explained the plan. Then in that same post where he talks about the 50/50 stuff he also says that now he thinks debears and I are way less scummy. That isn't consistent with his earlier reads either. How does his supposed plan being destroyed by information from a mod make him think we are less scummy? The whole purpose of the plan in the first place was to catch scum lying... so if the plan won't work that means he has to drop his scumreads on me/debears? His next read on debears and I is that we are masons, remember this is after he said he pm'd the mod. He doesn't directly come out and say this but it is implied. So a short history of his reads on us are: He think's we're both scum. He tries to bait us into claiming mason. That plan won't work because of game mechanics. Therefore debears and I are no longer scum and we're now masons? There are no specific confirmable lies per se, but I just see a bunch of inconsistencies in how he talks about the plan from the time he first mentioned it to the time he finally explained it, and there are illogical transitions between his reads. Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. Him dropping you and debears from his scum reads is indeed very weird. Him even having you as a scum team read in the first place is weird. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
First, this jumped out at me. On September 20 2012 09:01 Atreides- wrote: God damn this thread blew up fast. I would've went with a no lynch over Drazak but it doesn't matter now. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. @SDM + Show Spoiler + Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 20 2012 11:20. Posts 403 PM Profile Quote # filter On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. His timing can be explained by town and mafia motivations. Town - He waited until the final hour (if i am correct) when he had 6 votes on himself. His back was against the wall and if he is mason it preserves an important part of us. Mafia - By waiting until the end, he sent us into some confusion. We were stuck in a situation where our biggest bandwagons were gone, as Kush said. And, it ended up pushing our focus on lurkers and a mislynch. I have not been able to go through any filters yet to look at everyone's reasoning for their votes. From a first glance, there was good reasoning for most of us for voting who we voted for. Still, I will check more in depth. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 20 2012 12:40 debears wrote: I have a couple of thoughts from reading through all this craziness. First, this jumped out at me. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. @SDM + Show Spoiler + Sonic Death Monkey Sweden. September 20 2012 11:20. Posts 403 PM Profile Quote # filter On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. I was thinking about this at the time, but it kind of felt far fetched because Cubu hadn't cast his vote and it seemed weird that he would assumed Cubu wouldn't be back to the thread at least for voting. And if Cubu is in on it, he's basically given up 2 scum. I think looking closer at the exact timing of the various claims he's made may be important. The "outing" of Cubu came late, although it seemed to me the set-up of Cubu as his fake mason buddy would've to have been planned in advance. I will get back on this. His timing can be explained by town and mafia motivations. Town - He waited until the final hour (if i am correct) when he had 6 votes on himself. His back was against the wall and if he is mason it preserves an important part of us. Mafia - By waiting until the end, he sent us into some confusion. We were stuck in a situation where our biggest bandwagons were gone, as Kush said. And, it ended up pushing our focus on lurkers and a mislynch. I have not been able to go through any filters yet to look at everyone's reasoning for their votes. From a first glance, there was good reasoning for most of us for voting who we voted for. Still, I will check more in depth. I would kindly ask everyone to not try to make up reasons for Sharrant at this point. Just wait until he responds to the accusations. If you want to you can prepare an analysis, but wait with posting it until after Sharrant has responded. Thrawn's question is very valid and we don't want to give him any information right now. | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
Sweden991 Posts
On September 20 2012 12:40 debears wrote: I have a couple of thoughts from reading through all this craziness. First, this jumped out at me. Why would you want a no lynch? Even though the mason claim caused confusion, there were two reasonable candidates in drazak and KillingTime who had been lurking with scummy tells. All a no lynch would have done is keep lurkers around. Btw, it seems to me a non vote would've been impossible anyway. We would've needed everyone to non vote, which wouldn't have been possible. Even if it was possible, I'm not sure it would've been a great option. But yes, ##FOS Atreides. His complete lack of constructive posting was suspocious already made him suspicious. His posts in connection to today's lynch just strengthens those suspicions. He's either scummy or an incredibly bad player. | ||
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