idk, but not really sure how much it matters. you say that you're gonna make a big case against someone and then you give your current read on them, and then when the case actually comes it's the same as your feel read. like you thought kush was scummy, you went through his filter with the mindest that he's scum. you had a weak town feel read on me, you went through my filters and point out things you think are scummy and things you think are town, and your read is still a weak feel read

not an accusation, I think you're town (probably strongest town read along with maybe kush? I really don't buy that he's scum...based off the D2 voting thing between remedy/stutters) but you seem hugely susceptible to confirmation bias

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 12:47 GMT

#1113

need an obs roleclaim if we wanna confirm a dt roleclaim

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 14:50 GMT

#1119

so dandel, what is going through your mind? you promised reads today

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 14:52 GMT

#1120

also I encourage people to vote their reads starting now.... no point in being passive with our voting right now

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 15:41 GMT

#1127

kush what's your case against jacob? I don't want to read a another long ass filter walkthrough... just what about him is scummy?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 15:44 GMT

#1130

And jacob same thing for kush. What's your case against him condensed down to something readable? Previously I thought both of you were town because you were going at it so hard that I thought you couldn't be bussing... but one of you could be mafia.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 15:52 GMT

#1131

Has anyone else been roleblocked the whole game? I'd think that if so they would have said so by now so I'm assuming there's a mafia roleblocker.

Also if cop is out there you absolutely need to claim today. Yes you will probably be nk'd but your information would be invaluable to us in this situation.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:03 GMT

#1132

Also, any townie that wants to take credit for rb'ing me? It'd eliminate one person from the potential mafia list. If so make sure you include your reasons why for each of the roleblocks.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:20 GMT

#1134

Kush when I made that theory I specifically said that the assumption about mafia voting for drazak gave was the weakest assumption in the theory. (no actual evidence at all to support it, just history of games I've played)

And then with you wanting to vote switch to stutters I can't think why you'd do that if you're scum...once remedy was set to be mislynched you could have just let it be.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:22 GMT

#1136

On September 25 2012 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:Taking notes is just an inherently scummy thing to do. Town doesn't have to try hard to keep their story straight.

Kush please re-read this so I don't have to point out how dumb it is

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:25 GMT

#1138

The only part of that jacob case I buy is the meta argument.... all the others are just as easily explained by weak early game town play, confirmation bias from jacob when making cases (a town trait), and your own confirmation bias against him.

Other than things that could be town play what has he done that is specifically and obviously scummy?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:26 GMT

#1139

Uh I took notes for my first two mafia games and I've heard of others who do it as well... don't see why taking notes is more scummy than more town.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:37 GMT

#1141

ah there's the kush I know. disagree with him on anything and he gets mad, starts throwing out insults, and is no longer interested in having a logical discussion. why do you play mafia like that it's obviously anti town

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:39 GMT

#1142

Back to my question, what are things that jacob has done that you find scummy, and are more likely to come from a scum player than a town player?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:40 GMT

#1143

edit: town player/ and or bad town player

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:44 GMT

#1146

Ok kush. In two posts I have told you reasons why I don't buy your case against jacob. And twice now you've responded by saying that "oh well your cases are worse." So go read my questions about your cases and respond to those.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:48 GMT

#1148

Are you going to defend your case or not?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 16:59 GMT

#1151

Kush:

On September 25 2012 01:25 thrawn2112 wrote:
The only part of that jacob case I buy is the meta argument.... all the others are just as easily explained by weak early game town play, confirmation bias from jacob when making cases (a town trait), and your own confirmation bias against him.

Other than things that could be town play what has he done that is specifically and obviously scummy?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 17:06 GMT

#1154

Dandel you have an amazing track record of bandwagoning onto the most popular cases.

You came in talking about remedy (I was pushing very hard against remedy directly prior to being scummy of rethos/you), you vote for stutters as he starts becoming the main bandwagon, and you eventually end up back on remedy, also a big bandwagon. Now you're voting for me based off (from what I can tell from what you;'re implying in your argument) the stuff that has happened recently... and I'm also the biggest bandwagon. Your only unique vote was for debears, who you unvoted as soon as someone else became the bandwagon, and since then you've barely mentioned him at all.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

September 24 2012 17:29 GMT

#1157

Debears:

I had previously decided to ask sharrant for that qt the very next time that I saw him post in the thread... I refreshed, saw that he had posted recently, and so I wanted to take advantage of the opportunity. I could only initiate asking the question if I knew both he and I were in the thread at the same time. That happened, so I did it then. And I did believe his claim, I just had to be sure. The thing that pushed me over the edge into believing the mason claim was the timestamps, no way those coould be faked. But later on I decided to check some of the other timestamps (other than the two I didn't check), but I couldn't find any posts from the qt that I could reference to a specific part of the thread. So he could have faked the only two that would be fact checkable and just made quick reasonable guesses at the rest. Didn't believe it, but had to be sure.

On dropping the dandel vote.. first because it's common to give replacements some time, and also because the posts dandel were making when he was trying hard to get people to talk about remedy were something that either town or mafia would do so I didn't have too much of a read on him. If you're town and you know you're gonna get mislynched you need to keep trying to get people to scumhunt with you so that your flip will provide town with information. I outlined all that here. My vote for drazak over killing was because of drazak's strange vote. Believe that or not if you want but that was my reason.