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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
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Risen
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Ghost has to be scum. Basically everybody is shady when compared to dead, confirmed town townies. + Show Spoiler + I also applaud you for posting how you knew SnB was traitor, so you could get town credit for purposely killing him. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 03 2012 04:21 mkfuba07 wrote: Not sure whether to be glad or nervous that I was completely ignored on Zentor's list... He'd probably label you as shady. Apparently everyone who isn't dead is shady except marvel and the cop claim. Because faking a claim in a game where the "detectives" can't really detect is wayyyy too high level thinking for anyone to do. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Ghost is scum either way. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
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ghost_403
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On September 03 2012 04:27 ghost_403 wrote: Hey Zentor, why am I scum again? Looking through your filter, I can't find a good reason, other than I voted to lynch my lmfao | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
On September 02 2012 04:00 marvellosity wrote: sigh mementoss. i think you do a decent analysis of ghost's post, although I don't lean as heavily scum as you do. More errors of logical thought. Because I'm so self-centred, just look at the bit on me. It went basically like - marv leaning town, especially because he's accusing strongandbig, but if s&b is town then marv moves the other way. Then the kicker - ghost votes strongandbig. So from a townie perspective he's thinking the same as me, but somehow I have to be correct to let this be townie? how does that add up? so if strongandbig flips town, then logically speaking ghost is scummy, if his attitude towards me is consistent, right? My bit on you was more based around the fact that you were one of the first people to immediately jump on the S+B bandwagon. Your post voting him was literally the first post after Hiro voted S+B. If S+B had been town, I would have been more suspicious of you, because to me, you were one of the people spearheading the vote, at least at the time. Does that answer your question? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
-confirmed town(2/4) -blindly voting for you to save themselves(1/4) -me Isn't it a little strange that none of the mafia were voting for you, especially considering the possibility that they either knew or suspected that SnB was the traitor? Why would mafia want to kill a traitor instead of you? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
1) How he pressured Hapa for his vote on BM24. Any of you reading the thread know that I had a back and forth with him about it, and it's basically because it didn't seem his view was from a particularly townie mindset - remember ghost had BMB24 marked down as scum in his s/s, but was pressuring Hapa for voting for him? It doesn't add up. 2) He had a really weak vote on Mementoss. And he doesn't give an actual proper reason for his post until he's made several more posts in between. On September 01 2012 08:36 ghost_403 wrote: Alright, let's see what happened while I was gone. For reference, MMToss' defense So far, nothing has convinced me to take my vote off of MMToss. His defense against the people voting him amounted to "the people voting for me are lazy/stupid, oh and here's someone I think is scum". I really can't see a town player posting his defense in such a way. By the way, Shady's not scum. See Newbie Mini Mafia XXV. He's not acting like that in this game at all. At this stage, we don't even really know why ghost's vote is on Mementoss in the first place. There's a misplaced conviction. He finally gives reasons for the Mem lynch (which amounted to him rehashing a Mementoss post), probably when it dawns on him he can't just vote for no reason. 3) Mementoss picked up on ghost's long post and I followed up on it. There are things that don't make sense from a townie mindset, like where he voted s&b, but if s&b was town, I somehow got scummier (even though he was voting him too) 4) In that same post, he says this: "Looks like S+B probably fakeclaimed miller. Ballsy play on his part. This pushes Hiro to town read, and confirms what I suspected on S+B." Confirms what he suspected? How can it confirm something that was never really brought to the thread? :/ Earlier he said his play had been 'a bit off', and also: On September 01 2012 03:49 ghost_403 wrote: Still not quite sure of what I think of S+B. I haven't seen a scum player make a legit fakeclaim for a long time, so based on the metagame, I'm inclined to believe him when he claimed miller. However, you're right, his posts have been a little bit off. That's why I really want him to chime in on the MMToss situation. All these points aren't massively strong by themselves, but added altogether I think it shows that ghost is scum. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
On September 03 2012 04:35 ghost_403 wrote: My bit on you was more based around the fact that you were one of the first people to immediately jump on the S+B bandwagon. Your post voting him was literally the first post after Hiro voted S+B. If S+B had been town, I would have been more suspicious of you, because to me, you were one of the people spearheading the vote, at least at the time. Does that answer your question? but if there's a strong case on someone, then a good townie will help push it. that attitude fosters the idea that townies should never push for anything themselves, because if they're wrong, they're scummy. It's the people who just meander around things that are the scummy ones. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + This is the kind of post you make before you die. As of now it does nothing to help the game. It makes you look like your doing something, but really it's more confusing than anything to give your read on everyone in the whole game. None of his reads are really explained at all. This whole post screams scum to me, and I'm pretty surprised im the first person to mention it. As scum, you can pretty much put anyone in whatever category you want, to try and manipulate the views of others. You know the alignments of players, so he can distance himself from his scum team while looking like he's contributing. He also has all his basis covered for future mislynches. This is not the kind of post you make before you die, it's the kind of post that you make when you want to exert your influence over the town while you're not around. Imagine if the bit with S+B hadn't happened. Instead, we would have had a lot of people fighting over whether or not we should be lynching into Node or Zentor. I didn't want that to happen, so I explicitly made my position on the matter clear while I was gone. + Show Spoiler + Mementoss was the 2nd highest lynch yesterday so he's going to keep mentioning it so while everyone is still curious about it he can push for a second mislynch. He finds SnB scum, so lets kill him, if he flips town, Marv will most certainly be scum and we can mislynch him. Also Risen started the Palmar lynch, so lets lynch him! I'm not saying Marv and Risen are definitely town. What I am saying is ghost is clearly keeping his options open without really giving any helpful information or committing to any options, so if he switches wagons, he can refer to this post and say , well yeah I mentioned it here. Shady Sands made a similar comment about how I was setting up a mislynch on MMToss after Palmar. Newsflash, people. If I think you are scum, and someone else gets lynched, I'm still going to try to lynch you. I don't see "my lynch attempt failed" as an indicator that I'm wrong, so come the next day, I'm going to try it again. I'm stupidly stubborn. Also, he completely missed the reason that I though Risen was scum. Risen is not playing to his meta. Based on my own time constraints, I didn't have time to write out to the thread exactly why I believed that. I was putting it out there and hoping someone else would take the time to decide if I was right or wrong. + Show Spoiler + I will bold the parts where ghost puts blame onto other people for the lynch yesterday or downplays the intelligence of others, to try and re-enforce what a good and noble townie he is. When yesterday he did nothing to help the lynch or help find scum, yet alone even make a case. Day 1, a lot of those people lynched a townie. I make no apologies for calling them out on it. Thing I will apologize for is swearing at Shady Sands. I should not have gotten so wrapped up in this game, and Shady, I'm sorry about that. + Show Spoiler + Additionally, another thing he does to make himself look like good old useful townie ghost is take credit for things that never happened. Such as the last line of the post, "confirms what I suspected on S+B." when in reality, ghost never mentioned SnB in his whole filter as a scum possibility. He is now doing the same thing yesterday, jumping on the lynch wagon after it starts to gain a bit of steam. Reading the thread at the time, some of the things that S+B just looked kind of wrong. I didn't have time to put my finger on exactly what it was, or write up a proper case. It was just a gut feeling, that something about his play wasn't lining up with how a miller should play. Before I had a chance to really look into it, HiroPro comes bursting into the thread, and I thought to myself, "boy, that seems obvious". If anyone's really interested in me responding to Shady's point-by-point analysis, I'll consider it, but I doubt that it will be a good use of my time. | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
(1) Marv, where did I pressure Hapa to vote for BMB? (2) The reason for my vote was very similar to the case that, I believe it was Hiro? made at the time. Hiro beat me to it, I felt no reason to rehash what someone else had already said. (3) Think I explained that. (4) Explained that in my later post. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
to 1) I meant that you were pressuring hapa FOR voting BMB24, someone you were at the time thinking might be scum. Sense makes does not to. 2) is called unaccountable bandwagoning. So who do YOU want to lynch? | ||
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ghost_403
United States1825 Posts
@Marv: That's a good question. I've been busy responding to everyone since I got back, so I haven't had time to really look into it. That comes next. Risen still seems off to me, and I need to put some time into reading his filter in order to figure out what's going on with him. MrZentor seems to have had a sudden burst of cleverness that's not sitting too well with me. I don't know what to make of that. | ||
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marvellosity
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