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On September 09 2012 13:21 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 12:22 Hapahauli wrote:
And goddamnit, if you want the answer to why I'm calling a shot on ShiaoPi - META. He has barely a page of filter, which is completely inconsistent with any of his other town games. I even said that in my post too - not only are you lurking, but you don't fucking read. Why are you upset that we wanted you to provide a reason for you Vig shot? and Shady is right. his meta is also WAY WAY off from all his other games. and yet you single out Shiao. I'm pissed because you didn't read my initial reasoning. Reading rainboowwwwww. Well then, am I wrong about suspecting Shiao? Secondly, if you feel that Shady is equally scummy, and deserves my suspicion/whatever, why aren't you questioning him? Really strange person to buddy in the thread.
I find it weird that you are so damn selective with who you deem to be town or scum. I am not buddying shady or saying the vig should not shoot Shiao.
Stop answering questions with questions. You pushed the mislynch. You are pushing for a vig shot on a particular lurker despite multiple lurkers with no explanation. You are acting all scummy and super defensive whilst refusing to answer questions. You are required to have a reason for these pushes and I am required to question you on them. That is how this game works.
Right now I feel that you are more scummy than both shady and Shiao. So I am questioning you. Stop trying to deflect without explaining yourself.
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On September 09 2012 13:44 Hapahauli wrote:
I explained this already. You don't read. I was convinced BKE was scum and pursued other reads.
So you pursued a town read on Z-boson? Is that what I am missing. You obviously don't read as you fail to understand the point.
You found Z - Boson Townie and BKE scummy despite doing extremely similar things based on the Mattchew flip which was the basis for you entire case.
And don't give me this selective shit. I've made the most reads out of anyone this game. [/QUOTE]
So you have made the most reads in the game? Too bad this means jack shit. And that does NOT EXPLAIN YOUR MOTIVATION.
Let me make it clear. You are a heuristic that process the same information and arrives at different conclusions. That is why you are selective. I said jack shit about the quantity of your posts. I am talking about the content. But thanks for trying to once again derail the discussion.
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On September 09 2012 13:47 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +If he's always anti-town, shouldn't he be a more valid target for a vigi hit than a lurker? Show nested quote +Basically, a lurker playing off his meta is a little less pressing a concern than someone who actively goes around and shits up the thread while making themselves unreadable. Why? Scum will never kill them, so they'll end up surviving. As the game draws closer and closer to MYLO/LYLO that player becomes more and more damaging to town. I made that mistake with Chez in Normal Mini III and I'm not making it again here. Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 13:40 Shady Sands wrote:
No, I'm calling for the shot on you and calling for the lynch on grush. I know I can get grush lynched, given how anti-town he's playing. You're a tougher nut to crack, especially with scumbuddies and misguided townies to soft-defend you. Lol sup scum.
On September 09 2012 14:01 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Shady + DP
This reeks of town on town violence, and I'm done with it. Quite frankly I'm sick of getting tunneled by two townies who aren't reading my posts. Goodnight sirs and see you tomorrow morning.
Cool story bro.
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On September 09 2012 13:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Did you read my case on BKE? Clearly you didn't. I found BKE scummy for the 180 change in opinions over two posts. Z-Boson doesn't have another post to compare to.
Right so because Z -Boson did a 180 degree in ONE POST and not TWO BKE was scum and ZB was town?
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On September 09 2012 13:59 Hapahauli wrote:
Please read my 9-page filter and decide my "motivation" then.
As if I haven't? Honestly you keep bringing it back to the quantity of your posts. But that does not mean anything in regards to your alignment.
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On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson?
Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on.
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On September 09 2012 14:12 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on. But lolz why wouldn't town pursue Z-Boson readz if they find it scumy lololololololol Clearly t3h scum lol.
Because he posted better later on
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On September 09 2012 14:14 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:11 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 14:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Ugh fuck going to bed, I need to revenge-tunnel you a bit.
Why didn't you pursue your read of Z-Boson? Because I am lazy. Matt was being Lynched and Z- Boson seemed to post a lot better later on. But in all seriousness, you're blaming me for not pursuing Z-Boson when we were on the exact same page about why we thought he was town?
No. I am blaming you for tunnelling BKE and not even considering BKE could be town despite his claim. Even though you had made peace with another person being town whom was guilty of the same things you used in your case on BKE.
And I DO NOT think Z - Boson is town. I am suspicious of him as I am of you and of everyone in this game. The only town reads I had were of BC and DrH.
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BM. I have no idea what you are talking about. Could you clarify and expand on whatever it is you are saying?
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On September 09 2012 16:33 ShiaoPi wrote:
I am in a stupid timezone (HKT) compared to you. I either have to stay up late or wake up early in order to catch the last of the US-timezones discussing, mostly I don't make it, did stay up once and felt trashed afterwards, so no not willing to repeat that. If that is not enough for you to explain my "meta"-switch, can't do more.
I can verify this. AEST is similar to HKT and I had to stay up till 4.00 am last night and am now really tired. It takes people in our timezone alot of effort to be around during the US day time. we either catch the end of the discussion when we wake up. or the start if we stay up late.
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This is what I have no clue about and would like you to clarify.
On September 09 2012 15:08 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm going to iso someone at random right now.
On September 09 2012 15:10 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote:
I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ...
GK probably bombed ... so ...
Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first. Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game? Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote:
Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list. Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze.
I am unsure if it is me or your writing style but I really find it difficult to follow what you are saying. It seems like you do have something to say, so please help me understand by clarifying and expanding.
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On September 09 2012 20:48 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 20:10 DarthPunk wrote:This is what I have no clue about and would like you to clarify. On September 09 2012 15:08 Bill Murray wrote:
I'm going to iso someone at random right now. On September 09 2012 15:10 Bill Murray wrote:On September 09 2012 07:09 slOosh wrote:
I don't even.
So Scum decided 1KP on BC was a good idea? ...
GK probably bombed ... so ...
Gah I'm just gonna wait till tomorrow NK to figure it out. By then vigs should have used their second bullet and should claim.
Gonna go cool off first. Notice the capitalization of scum, and him seeming to have too much knowledge. Couple that with IIoA and I'm a little suspicious. Sloosh, do you have any meta I can have? A town game, first, possibly a few (like 2 as green 1 as blue), and a scum game? On September 09 2012 14:40 slOosh wrote:
Cool your heads - this is probably more detrimental than beneficial.
Vig, decide for yourself what you want to do with your second bullet. Cross reference what you take out of the BKEXE mislynch with the Mattchew lynch and a lurker list. Logic can lean towards information instead of analysis sloosh is someone i'm going to FoS until I can further analyze. I am unsure if it is me or your writing style but I really find it difficult to follow what you are saying. It seems like you do have something to say, so please help me understand by clarifying and expanding. even if sloosh is being logical, his points are really just a summation of events as opposed to actually scumhunting he seems to have more knowledge than I do at this point, but that might not be saying much (Y)
Thanks! I will read his filter.
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On September 09 2012 22:51 Shady Sands wrote:
And BM please respond to DP's post.
He did. I think. He clarified that although sloosh looks logical, his posts are just summations of what is happening rather than actual scum hunting.
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Hey all been busy and absent from the thread. Just caught up now.
As to the 3 leading candidates, based on my gut and what I have picked up from reading the thread, I would 100% go for a BM lynch.
Regardless of alignment I think we would be better off without his presence especially around endgame where, you know, you actually want an idea wtf someone's alignment is.
In addition to that I have a Town Read on Z-boson. This is made up of a couple of things.
- Hapa had a town read on Z- Boson. Even though I thought he was scummy he flipped town and our discussions on Z- Boson
caused me to re think my earlier suspicion on him and re-read his filter.
- Z - Boson is playing very differently from his scum meta which I experienced last game. He is being a lot more proactive in scum hunting and making cases.
- His case on BM was excellent.
Forumite - No fucking Idea as I do not know his meta. Which seems to be what the case is largely based upon. I am going to reread his filter to get a firmer grasp on where he stands with me.
I am hesitant to rely too much on the meta analysis of others for a couple of reasons.
Firstly, I have not experienced the games being quoted and I can't be fucked reading them so I am relying entirely on the opinions of others which are of course circumspect and potentially misleading.
Secondly I feel that blindly sheeping the meta analysis of others does not allow me to improve my own play and I would rather come to my own conclusions.
A good example of this is Bill Murray. DYH wanted to policy lynch him day one. I was of course aware of his reputation but did not agree with this. After experiencing his play for several days I have come to my own conclusion on BM: Bill Murray is a Liability regardless of alignment.
Anyway. I am far less caught up in this game than I would like to be so I am going to dive into some filters and dig around.
I encourage everyone to take a good look at Z- Bosons case on BM as I think it deserves some discussion and analysis.
I will be checking the thread continuously for the next few hours ( I had to set aside some time for this or I would keep finding myself distracted by other things) So if anyone wants to bounce ideas off me. Ask me for reads. anything let me know. I am at your service.
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On September 11 2012 19:32 Forumite wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 19:09 mkfuba07 wrote:On September 11 2012 18:20 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 09:27 mkfuba07 wrote:On September 11 2012 08:01 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 07:54 mkfuba07 wrote:I've put my z-boson investigation on hold (more accurate to say it never started, since I just recently woke up) so that I could weigh in on Forumite. I don't know what to add that hasn't been mentioned already, but his "I guess I kind of looked scummy" post is the what's most convincing for me. I hadn't found his vote post to be very suspicious, since it was clear at that point that Mattchew had lied and was clearly scum. This indicates him being defensive without reason. In that same post he tells Rewok to stop looking for other scum, since we already caught one that day. I didn't understand that when he wrote it, and I still don't get it. Why stop scumhunting just because we've found a confirmed scum? Then there's smaller things, like accusing Mav of being scum essentially because he "...defended a confirmed scum during the crucial time during which Matts scumbuddies might have tried to save him." Isn't the time while the fakeclaim is unconfirmed the time when someone is most likely to be unsure about a lynch on someone? If I were in the game at that time I would have likely had second-thoughts about a Matt lynch as well. If there was more to that case that I'm missing, then let me know. I'm still looking at z-boson's filter because I think he's suspicious as well, but I feel comfortable with my vote on Forumite. ##Vote Forumite Who the hell are you? Where did you come from, and why do you drop such a scummy post? Seriously? "I´m happy with lynching Forumite so I´ll stop looking for other scum now"? I replaced in for Lvdr and have been catching up on the over 80 pages of the game. Is there something about my post that you find scummy aside from the single sentence at the end that you misrepresented? I never said I wasn't looking for other scum. I actually said that despite being fine with a lynch on you (read: I think you're scummy) I'm still going to read through z-boson's filter because I believe he's scummy as well. You somehow inferred the opposite. Strange. You were one of a few people I was suspicious of after reading through the thread. I am going to look through z-boson's filter again and post my thoughts on him after I've done so. My vote may change, it may not. Basically, I don't currently feel that a vote on you is wasted. You replaced in, which is all good and well, but you still inherit the scummyness of the previous player. I´m forced to hold you to a higher standard, so when I see your post which is about how you can possibly accept voting for me, instead of the candidate you were looking at, the one I most want you to lynch, it´s irritating in all sorts of ways. You are a scummy player blaming me for distracting you from your highest scumread, that you say is Z-boson, so once this is all over you can say that Z-boson was the one you wanted to lynch the whole time. Wishy-washy. You also misinterpret what I meant in those posts. I´m suspicious of Mav because if he is scum, then he´d have a reason to softdefend Matt and provide alternative candidates when it was possible to do so, townies could do that too but there´s no motivation behind it unless there´s a big flaw in the case, and they really have a good alternative candidate. I´m also fairly sure I never told Rewok to stop scumhunting, what I meant was that when you have candidate X up for a lynch, then it´s a bad idea to try and build cases on based on X being scum. X is lynched on his own scummyness, if you are going to lynch Y then he has to be a good candidate on his own, UNTIL X flips and this puts Y into some kind of suspicious interaction with a confirmed scum. Lynch the scummyest one and build cases based on association AFTER the flip. I guess I can accept inheriting Lvdr's scumminess, though it consists entirely of lurking 100% of the time. I can't defend myself against his complete absence from the thread, however, so I'll just leave it at that. I'm in no way blaming you for distracting me from my highest scumread, and have no intention of ignoring ZB. I'm going through his filter now, deciding if all of the "off feelings" I've had have been actually scummy or just bad play. What are your current thoughts on Mav? You said you want Hopeless to die. Is ZB no longer your strongest scumread then? I´ve got too many scumreads and I´m weighing back and forth on some of them. The strongest ones are Z-Boson and Bill Murray, slightly less sure about Mav and Hopeless1der, with about half the rest as scummy. I´ll post the full list before the lynch if it´s still on me.
If Z - Boson and BM are both your strongest scum reads, How do you resolve the issue that they are making cases on one another?
Are they both scum? or are they mutually exclusive? i.e. If BM is scum Z -Boson is town Vice Versa.
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On September 11 2012 22:25 imallinson wrote:
You posting vague reads on people doesn't help town lynch scum which is the reason everyone is voting for your lynch in the first place.
Is that the entirety of the case on Forumite? Lots of people are guilty of that. What makes Him stick out in particular?
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On September 11 2012 22:50 Forumite wrote:You need to vote, DP. Show nested quote +On September 11 2012 22:40 DarthPunk wrote:On September 11 2012 19:32 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 19:09 mkfuba07 wrote:On September 11 2012 18:20 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 09:27 mkfuba07 wrote:On September 11 2012 08:01 Forumite wrote:On September 11 2012 07:54 mkfuba07 wrote:I've put my z-boson investigation on hold (more accurate to say it never started, since I just recently woke up) so that I could weigh in on Forumite. I don't know what to add that hasn't been mentioned already, but his "I guess I kind of looked scummy" post is the what's most convincing for me. I hadn't found his vote post to be very suspicious, since it was clear at that point that Mattchew had lied and was clearly scum. This indicates him being defensive without reason. In that same post he tells Rewok to stop looking for other scum, since we already caught one that day. I didn't understand that when he wrote it, and I still don't get it. Why stop scumhunting just because we've found a confirmed scum? Then there's smaller things, like accusing Mav of being scum essentially because he "...defended a confirmed scum during the crucial time during which Matts scumbuddies might have tried to save him." Isn't the time while the fakeclaim is unconfirmed the time when someone is most likely to be unsure about a lynch on someone? If I were in the game at that time I would have likely had second-thoughts about a Matt lynch as well. If there was more to that case that I'm missing, then let me know. I'm still looking at z-boson's filter because I think he's suspicious as well, but I feel comfortable with my vote on Forumite. ##Vote Forumite Who the hell are you? Where did you come from, and why do you drop such a scummy post? Seriously? "I´m happy with lynching Forumite so I´ll stop looking for other scum now"? I replaced in for Lvdr and have been catching up on the over 80 pages of the game. Is there something about my post that you find scummy aside from the single sentence at the end that you misrepresented? I never said I wasn't looking for other scum. I actually said that despite being fine with a lynch on you (read: I think you're scummy) I'm still going to read through z-boson's filter because I believe he's scummy as well. You somehow inferred the opposite. Strange. You were one of a few people I was suspicious of after reading through the thread. I am going to look through z-boson's filter again and post my thoughts on him after I've done so. My vote may change, it may not. Basically, I don't currently feel that a vote on you is wasted. You replaced in, which is all good and well, but you still inherit the scummyness of the previous player. I´m forced to hold you to a higher standard, so when I see your post which is about how you can possibly accept voting for me, instead of the candidate you were looking at, the one I most want you to lynch, it´s irritating in all sorts of ways. You are a scummy player blaming me for distracting you from your highest scumread, that you say is Z-boson, so once this is all over you can say that Z-boson was the one you wanted to lynch the whole time. Wishy-washy. You also misinterpret what I meant in those posts. I´m suspicious of Mav because if he is scum, then he´d have a reason to softdefend Matt and provide alternative candidates when it was possible to do so, townies could do that too but there´s no motivation behind it unless there´s a big flaw in the case, and they really have a good alternative candidate. I´m also fairly sure I never told Rewok to stop scumhunting, what I meant was that when you have candidate X up for a lynch, then it´s a bad idea to try and build cases on based on X being scum. X is lynched on his own scummyness, if you are going to lynch Y then he has to be a good candidate on his own, UNTIL X flips and this puts Y into some kind of suspicious interaction with a confirmed scum. Lynch the scummyest one and build cases based on association AFTER the flip. I guess I can accept inheriting Lvdr's scumminess, though it consists entirely of lurking 100% of the time. I can't defend myself against his complete absence from the thread, however, so I'll just leave it at that. I'm in no way blaming you for distracting me from my highest scumread, and have no intention of ignoring ZB. I'm going through his filter now, deciding if all of the "off feelings" I've had have been actually scummy or just bad play. What are your current thoughts on Mav? You said you want Hopeless to die. Is ZB no longer your strongest scumread then? I´ve got too many scumreads and I´m weighing back and forth on some of them. The strongest ones are Z-Boson and Bill Murray, slightly less sure about Mav and Hopeless1der, with about half the rest as scummy. I´ll post the full list before the lynch if it´s still on me. If Z - Boson and BM are both your strongest scum reads, How do you resolve the issue that they are making cases on one another? Are they both scum? or are they mutually exclusive? i.e. If BM is scum Z -Boson is town Vice Versa. I don´t think anything about their relationship, I think they are both scummy on their own merits and focus on that. They could be both scum and distancing themselves from eachother, or one is scum and the other a scummy townie. Or the top three candidates today are all townies and will occupy discussion all the way to a scum victory, who knows? I just think Bill Murray and Z-Boson are the most scummy of all players, I don´t need any other reason to want to lynch them.
Fair enough. Yeah I know I need to vote but I am sort of out of the loop so i want some info before I make a decision. At this point though I am leaning towards BM. What did you think of Z -Bosons case on BM?
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OK I just read through Forumites filter a couple of times and I tried really hard but failed to find anything particularly scummy about him. I even began some cases on him but they sort of fell apart as soon as they began. I am not saying that Forumite is town. What I am saying is that the case on him could be a case on several people in this game and the one thing that differentiates Forumite from these others is the meta claims. He lead a case against Mav day 2. But he then drops it to sheep his scum read Hapa's case on BKE. I found it weird that he dropped scum reads on hapa and Mav and then failed to pursue them any further after day 2 but I don't view this as damning evidence. The accusations that BM have been throwing at Forumite since day one and the defense of them which take up a large part of his filter are also hardly damning.
Forumite has not been a particularly active scum hunter. Sheeped the Matt and BKE lynches defended himself when questioned. This could describe many of the players currently in the game.
The weirdest thing is how he dropped his reads on hapa and mav, never to return and sheeped his scum reads case so easily.
All in all I find Forumite mildly scummy but not any more so than the multitude of scummy players in this game.
I do not see anything particularly damning and I find it odd that so many people are voting for him over almost identical candidates.
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As it stands ##Vote: Bill Murray
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OMG Bill murray appearing YET AGAIN after disappearing during deadline. And says the same thing as last time.
On September 09 2012 15:08 Bill Murray wrote:
i cant believe you all lynched BKX
You all need to listen to me, even if I've been drinking lightly.
On September 10 2012 07:43 Bill Murray wrote:
##Vote Forumite
On September 12 2012 12:00 Bill Murray wrote:
i really didnt want to lynch forumite. PERIOD.
Someone Vig Him.
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