EPT-Motive:
Gain town cred by questioning what he knows will be a mislynch.
When he claims blue push the lynch to avoid medic saves and a NK
I have no fucking clue why he voted for shady so I will leave it at that.
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-Motive: Gain town cred by questioning what he knows will be a mislynch. When he claims blue push the lynch to avoid medic saves and a NK I have no fucking clue why he voted for shady so I will leave it at that. | ||
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On September 09 2012 01:54 Hapahauli wrote: Bah just woke up. Still catching up in the thread, but I'm surprised to see a couple of people actually thinking BKE is telling the truth after seeing this: This is impossible no? If GK indeed suicide bombed as many of us are assuming, isn't this a pretty obvious lie? No. | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:01 grush57 wrote: Because my post that explains it................................................................................................................................. His posts are asking other players to do things, SOMETHING SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY If you were sure SS was scum why are you now voting BKE when it seems like his wagon may falter? | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:02 grush57 wrote: Anyways, I know who I'll be moving my BOMB on tonight if I survive Love and Kisses <3 Mad hatter claim? | ||
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On September 09 2012 01:27 Toadesstern wrote: If we don't we're giving mafia the easiest time ever to just get in here "LOL I'm a mad hatter" and everyone insta unvotes because of something that can't be proven at all. soon afterwards. On September 09 2012 02:02 grush57 wrote: Anyways, I know who I'll be moving my BOMB on tonight if I survive Love and Kisses <3 0_o | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:10 grush57 wrote: So, some of that was just trolling some of that was truth. Austinmcc is good at this game. BTW, Starsenses. ##Unvote ##Vote: Z-Boson SO. Is BKE, Shady or Z - Boson Scummiest and why? | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:28 grush57 wrote: So BKE or Z Boson? care to answer my question? | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:27 Hapahauli wrote: Thankfully things are getting active in here again, but I wanted to discuss the BKE fake-claim a bit. I think all of us agree that the likely order of events last night consisted of double-stacking one person, while suicide bombing the other (between BC and DrH). BKE's watcher claim suggests that it was BC who got double-stacked and BM24 who got suicide-bombed. Now unless something about the Day2 post suggests otherwise, this seems highly unlikely. BC was much more of a confirmed town (after outing Mattchew) than DrH was. To the average reader here, BC would seem like much more of a target for blue actions (watcher, medic, etc.) during the night. Isn't it much more likely for mafia to have suicide-bombed BC? There would be a much higher chance of blue's visiting BC after he caught the first mafia. I find it so unlikely that DrH was suicide bombed (over BC), and this is why I'm doubting the BKE claim. This is irrelevant and not evidence. Regardless of your own opinion, mafia could have Bombed DrH and NK BC. It is possible. and thus BKE's claim is possible. Your preconceptions on what you would have done does not necessarily reflect what others did, and thus this in no way disproves BKE's claim. | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:37 Hapahauli wrote: I'm not disproving anything - I'm saying it's highly unlikely given the dynamics of town Day 1. I'm talking about likelihood here. If you disagree with this, tell me why instead of spouting this "irrelevant" nonsense. Your interpretation of what is likely or not is based on your subjective perception of events. You started the wagon on BKE and thus your subjective perception of events is likely to be biased in a way that fits your case. If you want to talk about probability look at it this way. We have no idea what the thought process behind the kills were. 2 people died. there is a 50% chance that each was a night kill target. Thus BKE claim is plausible. But this is not relevant. What is relevant is the MOTIVATION. Why would BKE claim watcher over other roles which are less verifiable (mad hatter) and why would he not say that he watched DrH rather than BC if, as you say, it was so obvious BC was the suicide target. It is natural to choose the most plausible chain of events if you are lying. If you are telling the truth... you say what actually happened even though this may make you look worse. (WIFOM i know but I think this is still relevant) | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:38 Hopeless1der wrote: Scum presumably used 1 KP and bombed. 2nd KP wasnt used? or you think the Mafia shot ottoxlol on our behalf? If you read Palmars post. Could have been a save and no one was notified. | ||
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On September 09 2012 02:51 strongandbig wrote: if he was scum and actually delivered a kp on BC - whether they double stacked him or not - then claiming that he watched bc would make his claim proof against the possibility that he was tracked or that there was a real watcher on bc last night. Wrong. Obviously they would send GK to kill BC/DrH as well as suicide. Which is exactly what BKE claims happened. this only checks out if they double stacked KP on BC. | ||
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On September 09 2012 11:50 Shady Sands wrote: I asked you first, Hapa. Please answer Yeah Hapa. Stop answering questions with questions. You have been extremely selective with your scum reads this game. I would also like to know why shaio over shady. Also how could you see Ottox as not scummy and BKE with a plausible watcher claim guaranteed scum. I am going to take a close look at your filter and XXI. Something is off about you. | ||
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On September 09 2012 11:59 Hapahauli wrote: no. Why the fuck not? | ||
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On September 09 2012 12:22 Hapahauli wrote: And goddamnit, if you want the answer to why I'm calling a shot on ShiaoPi - META. He has barely a page of filter, which is completely inconsistent with any of his other town games. I even said that in my post too - not only are you lurking, but you don't fucking read. Why are you upset that we wanted you to provide a reason for you Vig shot? and Shady is right. his meta is also WAY WAY off from all his other games. and yet you single out Shiao. | ||
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On September 09 2012 13:18 Maverick32x wrote: Because I don't think mafia would put themselves out there THAT much for someone who was town. Especially considering the amount of lurkers that exist. Don't think that way. It is bad. | ||
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On September 09 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote: So you made a read on Grush. You started a counter-wagon against someone who is traditionally the easiest mislynch in the game - someone who is going to behave just like that regardless of alignment. Yay for reads that matter! Still waiting for an answer to this btw: So you felt that Ottox was town despite the fact he was scummy as shit. And you think Grush is town Despite looking scummy as shit. But you were 100% positive on BKE and tunnelled him all of day 2 without changing your read or your case because he 'flip-flopped' on Matt. DESPITE HIS CLAIM and with several of us making counter arguments? Based on Flip flopping on Matt. On September 04 2012 17:08 DarthPunk wrote: On September 04 2012 16:21 Z-BosoN wrote: All right, regarding the BC/Mattchew situation: First of all, this post is wrong: You are right, his fakeclaim doesn't prove he is mafia on its own. However, HIM ASKING FOR CLAIMS DOES. Why would a townie fakeclaim and attempt to get all blues to claim ? No townie day 1 should ever be this fuckign stupid. Even if he gets caught as mafia (as I have caught him) had anyone or if anyone proceeds to claim and a bunch of retard blues out themselves mafia is instantly ahead. IIRC, he asked for people with the same role - noisy neighbor - to claim, not blues. BC is making this main assumption: No miller/neighbor is self aware in any game ever except odd pyp/ptp like setups as it defeats the purpose of the role. This game holds true to the same rule as normal games for the mechanic. To put it simply, this is the main argument going on: how can he know he is a noisy neighbor if they are unaware?. Am I correct? You have made it clear that you are 100% sure that this game does not include self-aware millers. As a normal person, one could not make this assumption, as it would be statistical. Say 90% of games don't include self-aware millers. I have read the OP, and nowhere does it say that millers aren't self-aware, so you must have other reasons to know this, because no matter what, you say it is not an assumption. The fact that you keep insisting would be ridiculous if you weren't indeed 100% certain, because, like sloosh said, you would most likely be lynched if he showed up town, making it a double town loss. Did I get anything wrong here? If not, ##Vote Mattchew So you rail against all the reasoning behind the mattchew vote, say that there is zero evidence that he is lying and that it is based purely on conjecture, and then vote for him without adding anything to the case against him? Then you vote for him, completely contradicting the fact that you clearly state it is based on an assumption? o_0 I posted this on day one. You ignored it. Z - boson was similarly guilty. If you thought BKE was scum based on his interactions around Matt then you should have found Z - Boson suspicious also. And yet you don't mention him at all UNTIL Austin brings him up. [B]On September 09 2012 05:38 Hapahauli wrote: [b]@ austinmcc Okay admittedly I'm a bit biased because of my meta-read, and I sat down to take a look at your case again. The one thing I want some answers from Z-Boson is his ##Vote post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361826¤tpage=21#413 I just don't understand what he's saying here. It's as if he criticizes the reasoning for voting Mattchew, then turns around and votes Mattchew. You repeat what I posted day one and what Austin had been saying. It is suspicious as hell and yet you continue to tunnel BKE. And state that Z - Boson is town. You are being very selective on who you believe is scum/town and it is based on no shared thought processes from what I can see. | ||
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