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On September 06 2012 11:04 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 11:00 DarthPunk wrote:On September 06 2012 10:42 Ottoxlol wrote:Ofc I don't give a shit about this game anymore when everyone ignores logic, even you failed to answer my question about why the scum would claim. @Darth I already answered it. It is stupid. You almost uniquely amongst the player realize my motivation but then On September 06 2012 09:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Yet his behaviour is at stark and direct opposition with his stated intention. He has absolutely crapped up the thread and actively limited discussion and scum hunting throughout day one. When I went to sleep yesterday the main topic of conversation were several people repeating themselves Ad nauseum and the direct consequence of this is that other topics of conversation have been drowned out in the noise. Now people may look at Ox and say that he is just a bad player or whatever, but when someone's stated motivations are in direct contradiction to his behaviour I see scum.
His defense of mattchew was incredibly wishy-washy in that he never explicitly states that he believes him to be town. He talks in probabilities and shifts the burden of proof onto others by asking 'why is it more likely for scum to do this than town?' whilst ignoring all rational explanations for the current situation.
He has been incredibly effective in making discussion of anything other than mattchew impossible whilst stating that this is what he wants to avoid.
TLDR; Ox's behaviour is in direct contradiction with his stated motivations. He has crapped all over the thread in order to make any conversation but the one that was already resolved incredibly difficult. Kid is Scum. This. You fail to see that my behaviour made scum slip, made everyone talk more about why did they vote on Matt. Its exactly what my motivation was. I haven't been called kid in a while, it is offensive since you are the one incapable of understanding the most basic logic. Sorry if calling you kid offended you. Just internet slang. My bad. But I would like to ask how do you resolve your stated intention of not limiting discussion through the matt lynch, with crapping up the thread, ignoring everyones response to you, lying by saying they have not responded and stifling the discussion you claim to promote? You forgot that he said he doesn't care about the game.
He obviously does though.
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On September 06 2012 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all.
There are no activity requirements.
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On September 06 2012 11:24 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2012 11:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 06 2012 11:23 ShiaoPi wrote:
Also shouldn't lvdr be modkilled by now? no posts at all.
There are no activity requirements. Voting is mandatory.
Hmm no Idea then. I don't think it is beneficial to speculate however. If the mods were/are going to modkill we will know when we know.
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Can someone explain the basketball references? I am not American and really don't get it.
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On September 06 2012 12:10 austinmcc wrote:
Black Mamba is one of the nicknames of Kobe Bryant, who wears # 24. He's old and washed up, inaccurate, probably responsible for global warming.
BlackMamba24, BM24, Kobe are all ... that guy, who also has an old account that people are calling DrH, which he's posted under a couple times (DrHelvetica).
Steve Nash is everyone's favorite player ever, who now has the misfortune of playing a team with Kobe.
Ok so when BM referenced Kobe he was talking about DrH. So who is Steve Nash an alias for?
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On September 06 2012 12:17 austinmcc wrote:
Sorry. Steve Nash's teammate = Kobe = Black Mamba = DrH. He appears to be a man of many names.
Ok thanks for clearing that up.
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On September 06 2012 13:27 Z-BosoN wrote:
goodkarma's posting has been very lacking compared to when he was townie. Grush hasn't posted in forever, and Rewok's
Yeah this is true. With that being said, all of the players in this game whom I have played with in past newbies seem to have become lees vocal and less inclined to take a leadership role as we have done in the past. So I am unsure if this is alignment indicative or if it is just a by product of the new environment. As the game progresses I hope to see more from us all and it may become easier to make a meta read on those I have played with later.
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On September 06 2012 22:45 Hapahauli wrote:
This is the last I'll say on Ottox, but I'll restate my main point one more time:
"Mafia Ottox" would have known Mattchew's alignment. Given this, it makes no sense for Ottox to hard-defend Mattchew after the lie is confirmed. Think about it - you know your teammate is mafia, and you know the entire thread knows he fakeclaimed. He just lost a member of your team, and his first impulse is to hard defend him?! Not only that, but to roll with it for pages?!
Mattchew Is scum, Mattchew decides to claim nosy neighbour. Nosy Neighbours are not self aware. Why would scum Mattchew do something so obviously retarded?
I don't think that being blatantly idiotic rules someone out from being scum. You need to look at the motivation behind his actions.
Defends matt instinctively, Then realising he is in a bad situation and would look worse if he backed off, proceeds to go full troll mode on the thread, completely suppressing meaningful or useful discussion With many people forced to repeat that matt is scum ad nauseum. Otto ignores all evidence and reason to the point where no rational human being could possibly not understand and yet he continues to state that we are all idiots and that we have not answered his questions.
What possible town motive could you give him for this behaviour. This is blatantly not just some misunderstanding (how could anyone continue to misunderstand after all the explanations)
There is no town motive. But there is scum motive. Crap up the thread. Prevent any discussion other than the Mattchew case, which, lets face it, was pretty much resolved. and hope that being aggressive/Trollish enough that people can't get a read on you.
All this is in stark contrast to his stated motivation which was not defending matt, but to ensure discussion was not lost through an easy lynch. 0_o
He states countless times that he is not defending matt but making sure meaningful discussion occurs (ironic isn't it).
You have not answered me previously so I will ask again. Why are you so intent on defending who you seem to believe to be town Otto? Especially when you have leapt all over other players for far less scummy actions?
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On September 07 2012 17:12 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 15:25 Bill Murray wrote:
If Doyouhas is town we don't lynch Hapahauli
If Doyouhas is scum we lynch Hapahauli
imo Can you please explain how Doyouhas and Hapa can be linked?
Jesus shady what is up with you man. Your posting style is almost like reading another person. I just read through the ~5 pages since I left and as far as I know the only way Hapa and DYH can be link is this On September 07 2012 13:26 DoYouHas wrote:
I think your case has definite merit Hapa. I need to look into it myself before casting a vote. That means tomorrow, because I am done reading this game for tonight.
But you should just ignore him as that doesn't mean jack shit and sloosh says something similar on the same page with no mention from BM. Unless he wants to actually provide some sort of transparent explanation to his observations I will continue to largely ignore them as I have done thus far.
(by the way I read your essay on china. very impressive <3)
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I am also around at this time usually but the thread is dead. I am assuming from time zone differences.
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OK 1:30 am Have only skimmed the thread. Been playing LOL and GW2. So I need to get a vote down ASAP. I am not going to vote for the blue claim. That is just retarded. BKE is not the best lynch. If he is lying it will become apparent. It is a short sighted play for scum. Far too risky. Super tired. But Grush is scum.
He defends BKE after hapa's case.
On September 08 2012 06:23 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2012 21:29 Hapahauli wrote:On September 07 2012 14:48 Bill Murray wrote:
id love to lynch maverick or hapahauli
why are people voting BKE?
can i get a summary of the case? BKE "Fail-Bussed" MattchewRead the bolded segment below (occurs right before Palmar confirms the Mattchew fakeclaim). On September 04 2012 16:20 BroodKingEXE wrote:
About Mattchew (who I think is town):
Here's my breakdown of the situation : Matt's roleclaimed and given two reasons he claimed to avoid mislynch and/or draw a mafia shot. At first glance the roleclaim seemed like a great idea, but as I thought about it there were just too many holes. My initial thought was that it was a good idea and that could have been Matt's (based on the reasoning too). Another problem I find with lynching him is that what he has done (roleclaim) isn't verifiable until he is lynched. Right now its a coinflip and I haven't seen anything else that suggests he is scum. Fakeclaims aren't good basis for a lynch, they're not even able to be confirmed until the lynch, so I cant vote for him unless his posting sounds scummy. BKE states that fake-claiming isn't enough to lynch Mattchew. Hell the entire post is wishy-washy for reasons I pointed out in the case earlier. It's a very scummy post overall, but the "fake-claiming" bit is the most important, because BKE turns around two pages later after the mod confirmation and does this: On September 05 2012 00:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Unvote
##Vote: Mattchew
Wow. Mattchew hadn't posted anything in the interim to, as BKE put it, "sound scummy." BKE went from not wanting to lynch Mattchew for a fake-claim, and then when everyone jumped on Mattchew, treated the fake-claim like a huge scum-slip. That's all you need to know really. It's indefensible. He said that it wasn't enough to lynch because it wasn't confirmed.After Palmar confirmed him not knowing then he voted for him, like everyone else.
On September 08 2012 06:25 grush57 wrote:
This reminds me of LVI where BKE got mislynched and he was way scummier that game.
When called out on it he backs away at a million miles an hour.
On September 08 2012 06:39 grush57 wrote:
Not hard defending him, I'm just pointing out things in your case. He isn't 100% scum, but if it comes down to it I'll probably vote for him.
On September 08 2012 07:13 grush57 wrote:
OK OK I SHEEP LIKE EVERYONE ELSE NOW
##Vote: BroodKingExe
Let's see him flip :D
On September 08 2012 07:35 grush57 wrote:
But.
STARSENSES.
So, will losing a townie help?
That is the question.
Anyways we'll see what BKE flips and we'll go from there.
He sheep's after being pressured. But hints that he thinks/knows BKE will Flip green.
He then moves from attacking the case on BKE to stating it is the best case we have. AFTER HE CLAIMS BLUE. Which if anything should make him doubt the case even more. But he transitions from sceptic to sheeping to pushing.
On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
Sigh, STARSENSES PEOPLE.
I realized it too, whenever I post like 5 times ina row it just completely shits up the thread. The lvdr thing was because when I was going to look at BKE's filter I saw lvdr and a bunch of other lurkers. I NEVER hard defended him I just pointed out a flaw in your case. When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now.
Yep this is too weird. It seems like he was trying to gain town cred from questioning a mislynch. Hints at inside info and reference the flip constantly like he knows he will flip green. When he is revealed to be blue he changes tack and goes from doubting TO PUSHING FOR THE LYNCH OF A CLAIMED WATCHER. This should if anything make him doubt the BKE lynch even more than he had already expressed, but it does the opposite.
##Vote: grush57
Caveat: This case is somewhat associative in that it assumes that BKE is telling the truth. However I am 100% against lynching a blue claim as previous games/coaching have told me this is a mistake. If BKE is lying it should be relatively easy to catch later on. He is a bad lynch. Don't do it.
Night guys.
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Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning?
On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE.......................................................................................................
This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate.
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On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time...
It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it.
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On September 09 2012 01:23 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate. I'd be willing to hop onto a GRush wagon.
LOL scummy shady. I don't know if that post will help or hinder this. 
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On September 09 2012 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time... It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it. Of course it's bad to lynch a watcher but we can't consider that a reason to not lynch him and have to take both lynching a VT and a Watcher as equally bad. If we don't we're giving mafia the easiest time ever to just get in here "LOL I'm a mad hatter" and everyone insta unvotes because of something that can't be proven at all. That being said I still dislike the BKE lynch right now and would prefere a grush lynch.
Hmm I hadn't thought of that. In my last game The scummiest player claimed vig after a vig shot. He was so scummy no one believed him and he was lynched, In the obs QT Marv said that lynching blue claims was something newbies loved to do. I understand your point about all scum making easy claims. But this wagon smells. Grush smells. I skimmed through the thread and alarm bells started blaring in my head.
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On September 09 2012 01:33 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:25 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:23 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 01:13 DarthPunk wrote:Wait. There is more. When I just posted in the Voting thread it seems as If he has unvoted BKE and moved to Shady despite posting that BKE was the best candidate. The reasoning? On September 09 2012 00:41 grush57 wrote:On September 09 2012 00:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 00:31 grush57 wrote:
When I was scum in LVI this scenario happened to BKE. However, BKE is the best candidate right now. Why? Shady Sands is scum people. Doesn't hop on me till Toad makes a case, ASKS other people's opinion on it and ask if its good, and now he asks me why. WHY U SAY. BECASUE....................................................................................................... This kid is suspicious as hell. BKE. Please read my case on grush and give me your thoughts. I am delaying bed for a bit because I think lynching a blue claim is a huge mistake and would like to find and consolidate another candidate. I'd be willing to hop onto a GRush wagon. LOL scummy shady. I don't know if that post will help or hinder this. Not sure why that's scummy. I made my PoV on GRush pretty clear before you posted your case.
It was sort of a joke. based on me thinking you are scummy. Not important.
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On September 09 2012 01:33 austinmcc wrote:
I'm believing BKE's claim right now. Toad, I see you've changed your tune, but I don't see why you'd claim watcher instead of vig or hatter, doctor, anything that couldn't really be disproven. Everyone IMMEDIATELY jumped on the watcher claim because it was so demonstrably odd based on flips. That's not the right fakeclaim to throw out as mafia. Could be the perfect fakeclaim given that it's so unlikely to be from mafia, but I'm still buying it.
I do not want to lynch Grush. Grush is an EASY MISLYNCH EVERY DANG GAME. Moreover, Grush was already slightly pushed earlier. Scum realizes the BKE mislynch may be falling away, just hopping over to a new candidate. Grush is a bad lynch right now, and mafia is using him to get a mislynch even after the BKE wagon fell apart.
I would like some serious discussion about Toad as an outside lynch candidate. Will put together some reasoning and posts and get them in here, but I think we should discuss him. Mav deserves a look as an option, he's been popping up as scummy to a lot of people, yet the lynch just laserbeams right onto Grush after BKE, with no discussion of other options. We've got so many people not weighing in here, that just voted BKE yesterday and then haven't been around. Any of those people here? Any thoughts?
I am fine with another candidate. I still think grush is scummy. But at this point if we can agree that a BKE lynch is bad, then we should find a suitable candidate and consolidate ASAP.
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On September 09 2012 01:38 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2012 01:36 Shady Sands wrote:On September 09 2012 01:35 Toadesstern wrote:On September 09 2012 01:32 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:27 Toadesstern wrote:On September 09 2012 01:21 DarthPunk wrote:On September 09 2012 01:15 Toadesstern wrote:
I'm thinking about this claim and I've got to say I don't like lynching BKE right now although I said otherwise an hour ago before thinking this trough.
It just really doesn't make sense right now. The only thing I dislike about BKE's claim is that he claims BM24 was suicide bombed and not BC because I consider BC more likely to be the target, but BM24 being the target isn't out of the ordinary that much.
On top of that with Palmars statement it really could be he's telling the truth and if something like:
Suicide vs BM24
1KP vs BC
1KP vs other vet (myself, maybe Foru or whoever else) or someone being really active (not going to call names here for obvious reasons) who got protected isn't that unlikely at all.
The thing about late switches is they almost always turn out bad because they're not thought through and mafia has an easy time to manipulate. I'm pretty sure that either Shady or Grush is mafia right now and I could see both flipping red (though not both), so we could go for either of those two but as mentioned, those things really go wrong all the time... It Is also bad to potentially mislynch a watcher. I would rather mislynch a VT then a Watcher. If that is the worst consequence from mafia manipulation. So be it. Of course it's bad to lynch a watcher but we can't consider that a reason to not lynch him and have to take both lynching a VT and a Watcher as equally bad. If we don't we're giving mafia the easiest time ever to just get in here "LOL I'm a mad hatter" and everyone insta unvotes because of something that can't be proven at all. That being said I still dislike the BKE lynch right now and would prefere a grush lynch. Hmm I hadn't thought of that. In my last game The scummiest player claimed vig after a vig shot. He was so scummy no one believed him and he was lynched, In the obs QT Marv said that lynching blue claims was something newbies loved to do. I understand your point about all scum making easy claims. But this wagon smells. Grush smells. I skimmed through the thread and alarm bells started blaring in my head. well yeah I agree. I really don't like the situation we're in right now. Lynching BKE sounds really stupid right now and I don't like Grush's attitude at all. I'm going to vote for Grush. I've still got about an hour left before I have to go so let's see what we can do and whether or not it's possible. ##vote Grush Alright, let's get this wagon going. ##Vote Grush god why are you calling it a wagon. You're giving me the worst paranoia ever right now
I know right 0_o
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On September 09 2012 01:38 austinmcc wrote:
Scratch that. Lynching Toad would require way more work and way more discussion than I think we're going to get at this point in time. I will put together some stuff, post it this night. I don't think we've got enough time left this day to push a difficult lynch, so we need to look at ... easier options? ... that sounds kind of bad, but hopefully people can understand what I mean. We have limited time to get new candidates and discuss them, and trying to get a lynch on certain targets will be much more difficult than getting a lynch on targets like Grush. Who's seriously not mafia.
Why is Grush not scummy? Do you have another alternative? I would love to hear it, bearing in mind it is almost 3 am and sleep is good.
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