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Therefore, d1 lurker lynch is a great policy. However, this should not be a reason to not be scum hunting: scum hunting is vital, and forcing reads early is how town can catch mafia later in the game. | ||
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Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads. | ||
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![]() Kush lets see you go out on a limb! Townie nubs have nothing to fear, Scummy nubs have to be veeeeeeeery careful what they say. | ||
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For what its worth I think Shady is Town, he's doing a good impression of his town meta. | ||
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I'm trying to get some good discussion started. | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:45 kushm4sta wrote: Wow you sounded really smart about lvdr he seems fishy how he constantly shifts the focus to those he knows aren't mafia. And he does it in a very non constructive way. However you suspect me for some reason which is just wrong. If I were mafia I would be super nice and would not be aggressive or defensive in any way actually. It's because im town that I'm not afraid to act like this because I have nothing to hide. Basically I think you are mistaking "bad play" for guilt. Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him. Woah boy. Activity is good for the town. The more stances mafia are forced to take the harder it is for them to hide later on in the game. You may jsut be inexperienced, but my play so far has been extremely pro town in order to get people into the discussion. To directly address your post, I'm shifting focus to get everyone posting. I don't know anyone who is mafia yet. I invite you to challenge my town read on Shady. | ||
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This post in particular has caught my attention. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=8#141 You pitter patter around, but say nothing. Get out there and scumhunt!! | ||
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Kush is my #1 scum read right now based on his 85% sure post. There is no real evidence and so it only spreads suspicion without anything to back it up. Please make better reads and use evidence. ##FOS: MKFUBA ##FOS:Kushm4sta | ||
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That being said, I have some reads to provide: @Kush I think the JK claim sounds very honest to me and it fits perfectly with the bad-townie' vibe. So everyone wants to lynch me because I didn't share my thoughts about if lurkers are really bad or just kind of bad? I don't like the leadership role you took in the beginning and I think it reeks of mafia. Wow guys everyone wants to kill me because I'm annoying or something and everyone hates me?? Reading this thread makes me want to cry. Honestly I will try harder but if you kill me let me just say that would be a huge mistake beacuse I am no ordinary townsperson. I am the jailkeeper so yeah you really shouldn't kill me. These are only a few selections from kush's filter. Overall it reads as someone who hasn't played this style of mafia before. The suspicion of leadership is understandable, but poor play. The JK claim falls in to the same category: understandable based on the clear desperation in kush's posting, but fundamentally the bad play of a newbie that is struggling. Therefore: 1. I don't think Kush should be a D1 lynch target. 2. Kush is not a confirmed townie and should still be 'watched'. @shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie. ##FOS Shady | ||
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please read. | ||
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On August 25 2012 04:43 Shady Sands wrote: Wait a second. You do a town call on me, knowing full well it's early for a town call, just so you can trap people later, then when no one falls for your trap you turn around and FoS me? This makes a lot of sense. Not. I did an early town call to gauge reactions. At that point there was NO content AT ALL. Somebody has to offer something. Now that there has been actual posting, I find your attacks on Kush suspicious. Therefore, I FOS you. | ||
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For d1 lynch I direct the towns attention to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=13#253 To have no reads at this point is completely absurd. Also incredibly anti-town. Reeks of mafia playing too safe. Suspecting thrawn for being 'passive' is equally absurd. Thrawn has been active and productive. Not 100% confirmed town, but prolly the closest we have right now. Add in this comedy of a follow-up: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=13#259 Can I just say the entire post sucks? WeeTee says he has no reads and then comes at thrawn with Make a real case for gosh sake, now ur clearly FoSing me for the sake of it You have refused to make a case and then OMGUS'ed someone for actually making a case against you. shady really.. if your intelligent you wouldn't join this bandwagon too This is not even an argument, just an emotional appeal. ##vote: WeeTee | ||
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WeeTee's post before this one is the highest quality one to date, but this post is just more... bad. Why are you piling on to kush (who is maybe the only easier target than you) when we have already decided that he is a poor choice to lynch d1? Your defense is that you are a new player just like kush, so your play has been bad-town instead of scummy, yet you still decide to vote for kush, the person you modeled your defense after. This doesn't read town, this reads mafia starting to struggle coming up to the lynch deadline. | ||
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1. First town read maybe 35% confidence. Partially motivated by an actual read (that was early and incomplete), but much more in order to stimulate discussion. Not really a brillient play because many players are new and couldn't comment on metas, but I was trying. 2. Given that it was early, I basically reserve the right to change my mind. Townies cannot be afraid to share reads because if they change their minds, suddenly they're scummy. 3. I think Dandel may have a point about bringing arguments in from other games. Both me and Shady are in Normal III, and we suspect each other there too ![]() 4. I would argue my FOS has been useful to town, there has been a good amount of discussion and I have been active in that. For example when I FOS'ed you, you hadn't posted much in the way of content -- now I would say you are active in scum hunting and so the FOS was successful. | ||
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I don't like Shady as a d1 lynch for these reasons: 1. I think there is a legit meta case for shady being town. His aggression and tunneling so far does match Newbie Mafia IV where he got mislynched d1 as an overeager townie. 2. He has been active enough that I think that if he is mafia we will be able to catch him later based on stances he has taken. 3. As a general rule, lynching active but contriversial players D1 leads to mislynches. | ||
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There is nothing worse for a town than for it to be afk when the lynch is going down! | ||
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I think we should lynch Dandel Ion Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so. Read through his filter: it SCREAMS mafia lurking through D1. He offers just enough content to register as active without really contributing anything to town. I am still suspicious of WeeTee, but I stand by my statement that lynching active but contriversial players D1 typically leads to mislynches. WeeTee could still be bad-townie or desperate-newb mafia, but I do not think he is the best D1 lynch target. Finally, whatever happens town cannot allow there to be a no-lynch. Therefore I implore all townies to ##Vote:Dandel Ion | ||
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At this point I REALLY think Dandel is a much higher quality lynch than WeeTee. WeeTee is playing poorly, But Dandel is playing Scummy. Scummy>bad | ||
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I am also looking askance at kush for not voting at all!! or being in the thread!! As far as I can tell, Shady is MIA as well. | ||
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On August 26 2012 03:52 Dandel Ion wrote: To start things off, responding to lvdr's case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=15#285 This is a flat out lie. I have played a SINGLE game of mafia so far. (not counting the half-day that got restarted) lvdr, shady and mkfuba have all played more games, thrawn just as many. I didn't really push anyone but you yet, since all the "cases" so far were pretty much just screaming "bad newbie" to me, instead of "scum". Then there was you VS Shady, which I consider to have not much to do with this game. Well, since that is the extent of your case, I consider it adressed. Since you all seem to want my reads, here we go. (thoughts on other people coming after this, I'm getting pretty annoyed by the whole OMGOMG I'M WAITING FOR HIS POST, so I just decided to split it up.) WeeTee: The extent of his first ~10 posts was either 1) insulting people, 2) not contributing or 3) both. His last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=14#266) reads to me like he's just trying to secure a lynch on somebody else, no matter who it is In an earlier post, he FoS'd Alsn for going for the "easy lynch". Behold, just a little later he is doing the SAME thing, to the SAME person. Even though he soft-defended him earlier. The only other thing he has done so far is argue with thrawn. He's not contributing and contradicting his own words. Thus, Weetee is my strongest scum read at the moment I think we can safely bandwagon onto Dandel now. Please lynch I take full responsibility!! First of all, dandel tries to claim my case is mostly about experience or meta reads. Let me be clear: Dandel's filter has HARDCORE LURKING in it. Scummy, mafia, lurking. Second, I think a good case has been laid out for WeeTee being a BAD choice of D1 lynch. Dandel's vote here is essentially 'I pick the more scummy of kush vs. WeeTee.' This also SCREAMS mafia. Also, if you read the end of Newbie III D1 (second time around) you see that Dandel is capable of decisive action towards a quality lynch for town. WeeTee is not a quality lynch! | ||
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Dandel actually looks scummy. I don't know wtf kush is doing, but the first move is to pick off Dandel! | ||
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On August 26 2012 04:18 mkfuba07 wrote: To be fair, the current options are kush, weetee, yourself, himself, and shady. Most of us have made it clear that they don't want to vote for Shady atm, he won't vote for himself, most people have issues with my case (which I am agreeing with now that I feel you're contributing) and that leaves WeeTee and kush. This is so spot on. | ||
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On August 26 2012 04:44 kushm4sta wrote: Let me explain my vote for WeeTee. Basically there is no one else to vote for. I mean, I think shady is very suspicious put people have brought up good points about his meta and how everyone can just lynch him later. Dandel Ion I'm not going to vote for simply because one of the main reasons why people think he is mafia is because they say he has had a lot of experience. But he says that's a lie. So there goes the main reasoning behind suspecting him. As for WeeTee, his motivation for voting for me makes no sense, also it pisses me off on a personal level, true, but that is only secondary to how it makes absolutely no sense. Therefore I am voting for him. ##vote WeeTee Kush do you have any idea how this game is played.... Dandel Ion I'm not going to vote for simply because one of the main reasons why people think he is mafia is because they say he has had a lot of experience. But he says that's a lie. So there goes the main reasoning behind suspecting him. This is awful. Like. As for WeeTee, his motivation for voting for me makes no sense, also it pisses me off on a personal level, true, but that is only secondary to how it makes absolutely no sense. Therefore I am voting for him. This is your vote justification??!! I feel like dandel is such a good d1 target. First his play was downright lurker/scummy for 95% of today. Second, if we go ahead on a WeeTee lynch, it feels like a silly mislynch on a bad-townie. However the sheer badness of kush's play is making me really look at him as more scummy. Another thing is that there are only 2 scum. I really don't think its possible that kush/WeeTee is the scumteam, so at least 1 other person has to be scum. I feel good about the read that that person is Dandel. | ||
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Prior to the deadline clusterfuck, I posted a case on you that your posting profile was extremely scummy. For the record both thrawn and mkfuba looked at your filter and agreed it looked scummy. At that point I decided you were by FAR the best lynch target, and I have yet to see a good reason to change that stance. | ||
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Read Dandel's filter. Tell me it doesn't look like lurker scum. If you think so, vote for me and watch me flip green. | ||
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On August 26 2012 05:37 Shady Sands wrote: It's not bad play, but the way you're phrasing it means you assume 100% that they agreeing with you means green townies agreeing with you. You were saying "because mkfuba and thrawn agree with me then that adds weight to Dandel's case." There are only 2 mafia and I find it incredibly hard to believe they would put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person (that they know is going to flip green and spell their doom down the line). Therefore at least 1, and probably both of them are town. Their overall content, timing/context of their support, and gut feeling pegs them as town for me. | ||
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##unvote ##Vote:WeeTee | ||
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For what? to defend WeeTee? Why is it so important to you that Wee stays alive? I think you are trying to "defend" him by pushing to lynch me instead. I think you 2 are a scumteam. Since Wee is obviously not present. Or he's just content to let YOU do your thing. In terms of accusations from you that look ridiculous now, how about this? What is Lvdr doing? He's scattering his reads about so aggressively prior to the lynch deadline in hopes he catch a townie away from the thread to secure a mislynch. Note that whenever someone responds to him he backs away from the claim and starts on someone else. But I still think we should be lynching Lvdr here. I can't believe that we're somehow letting him get away with trying to sheep town in 8 different directions and wagon whoever is AFK from thread. You're either playing a superb anti-town game, or you're scum. I'm going to step away because I am clearly getting heated. | ||
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Dandel should be the next lynch. Cop should be on shady because he is much more of a wildcard. | ||
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As soon as the day post goes down my vote will be on dandel. The fact that he is replacing out means that he must be lynched; he looked scummy before, and if someone is taking over a scum-player they will have a fresh start to construct their defense. Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm? A dick move? Yeah. But I don't care anymore. This quote sounds like a mafia who knows he's caught. Yes his lurkiness may be due to IRL issues, but that is not a risk I think we can take right now. I say again that WeeTee was a perfect mislynch opportunity, one that was pushed by dandel and shady. | ||
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2. Mafia rb kush. 3. Mafia will not do both. 4. If mafia kill kush rb will probably be wasted. 5. mafia will rb kush. 6. If the jailkeeper and roleblocker target each other, both are notified of the roleblock. 7. Kush needs to try to rb the rber. | ||
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1. Dandel was #1 scumread d1 2. Dandel pushed a mislynch. 3. He never sounded like a townie when he was defending himself. 4. He never referenced any IRL issues that limited his posting D1. Its not hard to say "excuse my low amount of posts, IRL issues." Replacement only came up after the lynch which makes it implausible for explaining the d1 lurkiness. 5. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579¤tpage=22#424 This post screams scum tapping out. He basically says "I would rather play gw2 and I don't give a shit about the town." Sounds like scum that knows hes caught. | ||
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On August 27 2012 10:45 Spaghetticus wrote: ##FoS thrawn2112 I have been thinking you bad town for some time, but the constant discrepancies between your reads and my own are starting to be suspicious. I'm putting you as my scummiest read after Shady Sands and Dandel Ion. It is not that you are completely irrational like WeeTee and Kush have been previously, but that you seem both capable of logic and complete irrationality. I agree with this and I also think that the fos on mkfuba from thrawn is quite suspicious. First, the wagon on WeeTee was largely thrawn's doing. I thought it was just bad play at the time, but it could be more sinister. Second, given WeeTee's green flip, I think Dandel HAS to be suspect #1. This smells like mafia trying to disperse the suspicion on the hopes that the replacement wipes the slate for dandel and town can be sent in another direction. The case made by Thrawn also seems like a huge reach and not very strong. HOWEVER, we need to lynch dandel before we decide who to lynch next. If dandel is mafia, THEN we can decide (based on evidence) who his partner is. If he is not, we will have a body of evidence and a number of suspicious players to look at. | ||
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@Thrawn: Check your bad townie radar. @kush: I think you need to give yourself some time to think about your posts before you post them. They read as very off-hand and regularly incorrect. @Alsn: Lynch Deadline... @Dandel: Watch dat lurkiness ![]() @Shady: I actually like your 'make him rage strategy' but you probably needed more distance from dandel to pull it off. @All GG! | ||
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Not gonna lie, the quality of town play in this game was pretty low... we had D1 roleclaims, horrible D1 lynch, people mia at D1 lynch, etc. At one point I would have called about half the town scummy. Also, Shady why aren't you accusing me of googling the scum QT thread? | ||
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In Newbie III (which I played with him) he was a key player for the town. Whether he's played a lot of games or not, he showed skills that I didn't think he was applying in this game. | ||
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