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Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 22 2012 23:20 GMT
#48
/in or /replacement
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 23 2012 23:54 GMT
#94
Having learned from hapa, I think mafia tend to be pretty lurky in newbie games.

Therefore, d1 lurker lynch is a great policy. However, this should not be a reason to not be scum hunting: scum hunting is vital, and forcing reads early is how town can catch mafia later in the game.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 23 2012 23:55 GMT
#96
Also, lynching a controversial, but active player d1 tends to be a mislynch.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 23 2012 23:56 GMT
#97
Total disclosure a, also in normal mafia xxx.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 00:03 GMT
#99
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.

Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 00:20 GMT
#103
Right now my eyes are on Kush and WeeTee. Yes it is their first games, but thats no excuse to just sheep onto others ideas. Get out there! Don't use your newbiness as an excuse!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 00:25 GMT
#104
Wait has everyone posted already?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 00:39 GMT
#111
Also the lurker discussion can be thrown out the window because it looks like we have no lurkers

Kush lets see you go out on a limb!
Townie nubs have nothing to fear, Scummy nubs have to be veeeeeeeery careful what they say.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 00:58 GMT
#118
Lets leave previous games in the past.

For what its worth I think Shady is Town, he's doing a good impression of his town meta.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 01:11 GMT
#122
New players what do you think of my claim on shady?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 01:29 GMT
#125
WeeTee explain your read? Why is Shady a null read to you?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 02:31 GMT
#132
@Alsn-- There is no reason you should allow me to be complacent. My read is super early and can always change, but Shady is looking like his agressive town meta right now. Of course some more posting will be important for confirmation.

I'm trying to get some good discussion started.

Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 02:49 GMT
#136
On August 24 2012 11:45 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2012 11:33 Alsn wrote:

So until you prove to me otherwise, I feel I must suspect you for being overly defensive about your posting.

FoS kushm4sta


Wow you sounded really smart about lvdr he seems fishy how he constantly shifts the focus to those he knows aren't mafia. And he does it in a very non constructive way. However you suspect me for some reason which is just wrong.
If I were mafia I would be super nice and would not be aggressive or defensive in any way actually. It's because im town that I'm not afraid to act like this because I have nothing to hide. Basically I think you are mistaking "bad play" for guilt. Lvdr is 85 percent mafia in my mind though. We should lynch him.



Woah boy. Activity is good for the town. The more stances mafia are forced to take the harder it is for them to hide later on in the game.

You may jsut be inexperienced, but my play so far has been extremely pro town in order to get people into the discussion.

To directly address your post, I'm shifting focus to get everyone posting. I don't know anyone who is mafia yet. I invite you to challenge my town read on Shady.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 03:19 GMT
#149
Spaghetticus please repost your case with proper quote formatting. It will make reading it much more straight forward.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 03:30 GMT
#150
@mkfuba Your posting so far has been policy and fluff-city (fluffcity bitch fluff fluff city bitch)

This post in particular has caught my attention.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=8#141

You pitter patter around, but say nothing. Get out there and scumhunt!!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 03:54 GMT
#153
Shady has been accused of intentionally misinterpreting things before, but it has happened a lot when he is town. However, def is a point worth paying attention to.

Kush is my #1 scum read right now based on his 85% sure post. There is no real evidence and so it only spreads suspicion without anything to back it up. Please make better reads and use evidence.

##FOS: MKFUBA
##FOS:Kushm4sta
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:21 GMT
#215
Everyone has to sleep you know. I can't patrol the thread 24/7.

That being said, I have some reads to provide:

@Kush I think the JK claim sounds very honest to me and it fits perfectly with the bad-townie' vibe.
So everyone wants to lynch me because I didn't share my thoughts about if lurkers are really bad or just kind of bad?

I don't like the leadership role you took in the beginning and I think it reeks of mafia.

Wow guys everyone wants to kill me because I'm annoying or something and everyone hates me?? Reading this thread makes me want to cry. Honestly I will try harder but if you kill me let me just say that would be a huge mistake beacuse I am no ordinary townsperson. I am the jailkeeper so yeah you really shouldn't kill me.


These are only a few selections from kush's filter. Overall it reads as someone who hasn't played this style of mafia before. The suspicion of leadership is understandable, but poor play. The JK claim falls in to the same category: understandable based on the clear desperation in kush's posting, but fundamentally the bad play of a newbie that is struggling. Therefore:
1. I don't think Kush should be a D1 lynch target.
2. Kush is not a confirmed townie and should still be 'watched'.

@shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie.

##FOS Shady
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:41 GMT
#219
@shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie.

please read.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:42 GMT
#220
Remember FOS is a tool in order to stimulate discussion. My earlier FOS were largely manufactured because of lack of evidence. Right now our focus needs to be widespread so that we dont have a situation where, for example kush gets tunneled hard and we have no evidence on anyone else.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:51 GMT
#224
@mkfuba I have made 3 FOS so far. 2 for clearly stated reasons on you and kush. 1 for the case that I just made on shady. I am not mindlessly splurging them around, rather I am using them intentionally and with my reasoning up front.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:52 GMT
#225
@kush wait until the night post to discuss that stuff.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:56 GMT
#227
On August 25 2012 04:43 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2012 04:41 Lvdr wrote:
@shady My initial 'town call' on shady was mostly in order to stimulate discussion. Yes, he did match his meta for the most part, but it was extremely early to decide that someone was already town. At this point I am pretty suspicious that he decided kush's JK claim is scummy enough to insta-vote him. Seems like textbook play from a mafia jumping on the mistakes of a newbie.

please read.


Wait a second. You do a town call on me, knowing full well it's early for a town call, just so you can trap people later, then when no one falls for your trap you turn around and FoS me? This makes a lot of sense. Not.


I did an early town call to gauge reactions. At that point there was NO content AT ALL. Somebody has to offer something. Now that there has been actual posting, I find your attacks on Kush suspicious. Therefore, I FOS you.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 24 2012 19:59 GMT
#228
@Dandel I am not just splurging suspicion all over, I put a FOS on kush for bad play, and a FOS of mkfuba for fluff/lack of content. The goal there is to improve play, not that I have found scum 2 hours into the game. My first real scum read is shady as i outlined in my case.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:22 GMT
#272
@Dandel I see what you mean about carrying the argument, I will attempt to table it for now... I find it hard to separate Shady being overly aggressive from Shady being scummy. I would put him on the 'don't-lynch-D1-but-watch-for-future-scummyness' list.

For d1 lynch I direct the towns attention to this post:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=13#253

To have no reads at this point is completely absurd. Also incredibly anti-town. Reeks of mafia playing too safe. Suspecting thrawn for being 'passive' is equally absurd. Thrawn has been active and productive. Not 100% confirmed town, but prolly the closest we have right now.

Add in this comedy of a follow-up:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=13#259

Can I just say the entire post sucks?
WeeTee says he has no reads and then comes at thrawn with
Make a real case for gosh sake, now ur clearly FoSing me for the sake of it

You have refused to make a case and then OMGUS'ed someone for actually making a case against you.
shady really.. if your intelligent you wouldn't join this bandwagon too

This is not even an argument, just an emotional appeal.

##vote: WeeTee
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:28 GMT
#273
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=14#266
WeeTee's post before this one is the highest quality one to date, but this post is just more... bad.

Why are you piling on to kush (who is maybe the only easier target than you) when we have already decided that he is a poor choice to lynch d1? Your defense is that you are a new player just like kush, so your play has been bad-town instead of scummy, yet you still decide to vote for kush, the person you modeled your defense after. This doesn't read town, this reads mafia starting to struggle coming up to the lynch deadline.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:37 GMT
#275
@mkfuba My explanation of town/scum reads on shady

1. First town read maybe 35% confidence. Partially motivated by an actual read (that was early and incomplete), but much more in order to stimulate discussion. Not really a brillient play because many players are new and couldn't comment on metas, but I was trying.

2. Given that it was early, I basically reserve the right to change my mind. Townies cannot be afraid to share reads because if they change their minds, suddenly they're scummy.

3. I think Dandel may have a point about bringing arguments in from other games. Both me and Shady are in Normal III, and we suspect each other there too Hard to keep an impartial mind because I see many similar charactaristics across the games. For what its worth I think he's either town in both games or mafia in both games.

4. I would argue my FOS has been useful to town, there has been a good amount of discussion and I have been active in that. For example when I FOS'ed you, you hadn't posted much in the way of content -- now I would say you are active in scum hunting and so the FOS was successful.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:38 GMT
#276
I will reread WeeTee's case, but it seems like mindless OMGUS either way.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:47 GMT
#279
@spags + anyone else that wants to comment

I don't like Shady as a d1 lynch for these reasons:
1. I think there is a legit meta case for shady being town. His aggression and tunneling so far does match Newbie Mafia IV where he got mislynched d1 as an overeager townie.

2. He has been active enough that I think that if he is mafia we will be able to catch him later based on stances he has taken.

3. As a general rule, lynching active but contriversial players D1 leads to mislynches.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 16:48 GMT
#280
Also! @everyone please plan to be here around lynch time!

There is nothing worse for a town than for it to be afk when the lynch is going down!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 17:42 GMT
#285
Since its getting down to the deadline I want to reveal my plan for d1 deadline:

I think we should lynch Dandel Ion

Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so.

Read through his filter: it SCREAMS mafia lurking through D1. He offers just enough content to register as active without really contributing anything to town.

I am still suspicious of WeeTee, but I stand by my statement that lynching active but contriversial players D1 typically leads to mislynches. WeeTee could still be bad-townie or desperate-newb mafia, but I do not think he is the best D1 lynch target.

Finally, whatever happens town cannot allow there to be a no-lynch. Therefore I implore all townies to

##Vote:Dandel Ion
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 18:01 GMT
#290
lol ghost we all know counting is hard !!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 18:03 GMT
#291
Where is everyone? It's getting fairly close to deadline!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 18:21 GMT
#294
@Thrawn and Mkfuba

At this point I REALLY think Dandel is a much higher quality lynch than WeeTee. WeeTee is playing poorly, But Dandel is playing Scummy.

Scummy>bad
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 18:31 GMT
#299
@Thrawn I actually can see a possibility of a WeeTee Dandel scumteam, but I think that Dandel is still the best D1 lynch, and that WeeTee can be the subject of a lot of scrutiny D2. Still waiting for dandel responce too.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 18:44 GMT
#301
Can i get a sound off of who is here?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 18:54 GMT
#306
Looking back, I think spags went to bed... This is very disappointing to me I think he's putting a good amount of effort in, but we need his vote at deadline time, and I think his vote on Shady is quite low quality.

I am also looking askance at kush for not voting at all!! or being in the thread!!
As far as I can tell, Shady is MIA as well.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:01 GMT
#307
On August 26 2012 03:52 Dandel Ion wrote:
To start things off, responding to lvdr's case: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=15#285
Show nested quote +
Dandel Ion is one of the most experienced players in this game, yet he has also been one of the most lurky. He has offered almost nothing but filler posts to appear active while doing basically no scumhunting. He is much too experienced to be as passive as he has been. The only time he has offered a FOS it has been to lightly suspect me, at a time when it was EXTREMELY safe to do so.

This is a flat out lie.
I have played a SINGLE game of mafia so far. (not counting the half-day that got restarted)
lvdr, shady and mkfuba have all played more games, thrawn just as many.

I didn't really push anyone but you yet, since all the "cases" so far were pretty much just screaming "bad newbie" to me, instead of "scum". Then there was you VS Shady, which I consider to have not much to do with this game.

Well, since that is the extent of your case, I consider it adressed.


Since you all seem to want my reads, here we go. (thoughts on other people coming after this, I'm getting pretty annoyed by the whole OMGOMG I'M WAITING FOR HIS POST, so I just decided to split it up.)
WeeTee: The extent of his first ~10 posts was either 1) insulting people, 2) not contributing or 3) both.

His last post (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=14#266) reads to me like he's just trying to secure a lynch on somebody else, no matter who it is
Show nested quote +
I will put a
FoS on Alsn for this

But it is undeniable that kushm4sta is rubbing everyone the wrong way.

Let me know what you think about Alsn Fos-ing Kush,
Does Alsn see an easy opportunity to take someone out?
and why is he the only one that chirped up for the obvious?

In an earlier post, he FoS'd Alsn for going for the "easy lynch". Behold, just a little later he is doing the SAME thing, to the SAME person.
Even though he soft-defended him earlier.
The only other thing he has done so far is argue with thrawn.

He's not contributing and contradicting his own words.

Thus, Weetee is my strongest scum read at the moment


I think we can safely bandwagon onto Dandel now. Please lynch I take full responsibility!!

First of all, dandel tries to claim my case is mostly about experience or meta reads. Let me be clear: Dandel's filter has HARDCORE LURKING in it. Scummy, mafia, lurking.

Second, I think a good case has been laid out for WeeTee being a BAD choice of D1 lynch. Dandel's vote here is essentially 'I pick the more scummy of kush vs. WeeTee.' This also SCREAMS mafia. Also, if you read the end of Newbie III D1 (second time around) you see that Dandel is capable of decisive action towards a quality lynch for town. WeeTee is not a quality lynch!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:09 GMT
#309
Dandel had to make a pick for his vote. Kush and WeeTee have been two of the most scrutinized players, and they are by far the most obvious and non-controversial targets. He needs to provide a better lynch target than himself and those two are the major possibilities.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:10 GMT
#311
Kush Please vote for Dandel Ion, if you read up you'll see why I think he is a much better lynch target than WeeTee.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:11 GMT
#312
Also format your vote properly.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:20 GMT
#316
@Thrawn/Kush Remember the point of lynches is to catch scum, not punish bad play.

Dandel actually looks scummy. I don't know wtf kush is doing, but the first move is to pick off Dandel!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:23 GMT
#319
On August 26 2012 04:18 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 04:09 Lvdr wrote:
Dandel had to make a pick for his vote. Kush and WeeTee have been two of the most scrutinized players, and they are by far the most obvious and non-controversial targets. He needs to provide a better lynch target than himself and those two are the major possibilities.

To be fair, the current options are kush, weetee, yourself, himself, and shady. Most of us have made it clear that they don't want to vote for Shady atm, he won't vote for himself, most people have issues with my case (which I am agreeing with now that I feel you're contributing) and that leaves WeeTee and kush.


This is so spot on.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:30 GMT
#321
mkfuba/thrawn/kush i call on you to vote dandel and make this lynch happen!!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:51 GMT
#325
On August 26 2012 04:44 kushm4sta wrote:
Let me explain my vote for WeeTee. Basically there is no one else to vote for. I mean, I think shady is very suspicious put people have brought up good points about his meta and how everyone can just lynch him later. Dandel Ion I'm not going to vote for simply because one of the main reasons why people think he is mafia is because they say he has had a lot of experience. But he says that's a lie. So there goes the main reasoning behind suspecting him.
As for WeeTee, his motivation for voting for me makes no sense, also it pisses me off on a personal level, true, but that is only secondary to how it makes absolutely no sense. Therefore I am voting for him.
##vote WeeTee


Kush do you have any idea how this game is played....

Dandel Ion I'm not going to vote for simply because one of the main reasons why people think he is mafia is because they say he has had a lot of experience. But he says that's a lie. So there goes the main reasoning behind suspecting him.


This is awful. Like.

As for WeeTee, his motivation for voting for me makes no sense, also it pisses me off on a personal level, true, but that is only secondary to how it makes absolutely no sense. Therefore I am voting for him.


This is your vote justification??!!

I feel like dandel is such a good d1 target. First his play was downright lurker/scummy for 95% of today. Second, if we go ahead on a WeeTee lynch, it feels like a silly mislynch on a bad-townie. However the sheer badness of kush's play is making me really look at him as more scummy.

Another thing is that there are only 2 scum. I really don't think its possible that kush/WeeTee is the scumteam, so at least 1 other person has to be scum. I feel good about the read that that person is Dandel.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:54 GMT
#326
Kush... if you really are a townie, your play is atrocious right now. You clearly don't know how the game works and are playing in a throughly anti-town manner.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:54 GMT
#327
Votecount?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:57 GMT
#329
Dandel is 100 times better of a lynch than weetee! Now that we have what i would consider questionable votes for weetee by dandel and kush I am even more convinced of the quality of a lynch on dandel.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 19:58 GMT
#330
Also, I am still super disappointed that people are just missing at the key lynch time.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:06 GMT
#333
KUSH... THANK YOU!!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:08 GMT
#335
GUYS WE MUST AVOID A NO-LYNCH!! Switch to dandel cmon you guys!!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:09 GMT
#336
Thrawn + Mkfuba on Dandel = gg
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:11 GMT
#339
Shady look at that Votecount!! Do not let this be a no-lynch!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:20 GMT
#342
Shady there is LESS THAN AN HOUR. We NEED to make a lynch. Trying for a wholesale vote change now is not a good idea.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:20 GMT
#343
can we get minutes count
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:26 GMT
#347
@dandel
Prior to the deadline clusterfuck, I posted a case on you that your posting profile was extremely scummy. For the record both thrawn and mkfuba looked at your filter and agreed it looked scummy. At that point I decided you were by FAR the best lynch target, and I have yet to see a good reason to change that stance.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:28 GMT
#349
My appeal to all townies:

Read Dandel's filter. Tell me it doesn't look like lurker scum. If you think so, vote for me and watch me flip green.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:29 GMT
#351
EBWOP: That was really confusing. If you think Dandel is townie: vote for me and watch me flip green.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:30 GMT
#354
@Thrawn You hold the lynch in your hand.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:35 GMT
#358
Shady, do you do any behavioral analysis at all? Having a town read on thrawn and mkfuba is good play. If you don't make any reads how can you decide who to lynch?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:38 GMT
#363
Thrawn if Dandel flips red and we put jk on WeeTee that could be game right there. Amazing situation for town. Even if Dandel flips green, go ahead and lynch WeeTee/Me D2.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:44 GMT
#369
On August 26 2012 05:37 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 05:35 Lvdr wrote:
Shady, do you do any behavioral analysis at all? Having a town read on thrawn and mkfuba is good play. If you don't make any reads how can you decide who to lynch?


It's not bad play, but the way you're phrasing it means you assume 100% that they agreeing with you means green townies agreeing with you. You were saying "because mkfuba and thrawn agree with me then that adds weight to Dandel's case."


There are only 2 mafia and I find it incredibly hard to believe they would put their eggs in one basket by both bandwagoning onto the same person (that they know is going to flip green and spell their doom down the line).

Therefore at least 1, and probably both of them are town. Their overall content, timing/context of their support, and gut feeling pegs them as town for me.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:45 GMT
#373
@Thrawn No-Lynch would be a disaster!! How do you expect us to move forward!! Lynch me before you no-lynch plz...
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:46 GMT
#375
Alright if the Dandel lynch is impossible, I will switch to WeeTee in the interest of getting a lynch. Still think dandel is better.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:47 GMT
#377
##Vote:WeeTee
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:49 GMT
#379
##unvote

##Vote:WeeTee
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:50 GMT
#380
oops ##unvote
##Vote:WeeTee
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 20:52 GMT
#383
I do believe we have enough for a lynch now. Whew.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:04 GMT
#395
Good thing I spent so much time protecting my scum partner...
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:09 GMT
#397
Can we lynch Dandel now?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:11 GMT
#399
I like a Dandel/Shady Scumteam right now.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:25 GMT
#402
I still suspect Dandel for all the reasons I stated earlier. WeeTee was absolutely his best chance for a mislynch, basically the only diversion he could have thrown out, and he got it! Shady put his focus on me, showing a division between the players that is completely necessary for the mafia to NOT have just bandwagoned WeeTee together.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:25 GMT
#403
And shady, you relentlessly accused me of protecting WeeTee because he was my scum partner... WeeTee flipped Green!!!!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 25 2012 21:41 GMT
#406
My fault the explicit quote was from Dandel

For what? to defend WeeTee?
Why is it so important to you that Wee stays alive?
I think you are trying to "defend" him by pushing to lynch me instead. I think you 2 are a scumteam. Since Wee is obviously not present. Or he's just content to let YOU do your thing.


In terms of accusations from you that look ridiculous now, how about this?
What is Lvdr doing? He's scattering his reads about so aggressively prior to the lynch deadline in hopes he catch a townie away from the thread to secure a mislynch. Note that whenever someone responds to him he backs away from the claim and starts on someone else.


But I still think we should be lynching Lvdr here. I can't believe that we're somehow letting him get away with trying to sheep town in 8 different directions and wagon whoever is AFK from thread.




You're either playing a superb anti-town game, or you're scum.


I'm going to step away because I am clearly getting heated.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 16:06 GMT
#447
Cop should NOT waste a check on dandel.

Dandel should be the next lynch.

Cop should be on shady because he is much more of a wildcard.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:15 GMT
#456
I like a cop check on shady now because either a red or green check tells us so much. The same is true of me, but I do think I've shown enough to be town, especially given how the WeeTee lynch went down.

As soon as the day post goes down my vote will be on dandel. The fact that he is replacing out means that he must be lynched; he looked scummy before, and if someone is taking over a scum-player they will have a fresh start to construct their defense.

Usually the sensible thing would be getting replaced I guess, but the replacement would just get lynched day 2 too, so no need to bother, hm?

A dick move?
Yeah. But I don't care anymore.

This quote sounds like a mafia who knows he's caught.

Yes his lurkiness may be due to IRL issues, but that is not a risk I think we can take right now. I say again that WeeTee was a perfect mislynch opportunity, one that was pushed by dandel and shady.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:18 GMT
#457
How much time is left on the deadline?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:26 GMT
#459
Kush are you here?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:33 GMT
#461
I will tell you who to jail. Its still too early.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:36 GMT
#463
If the goon is jailed will the roleblocker carry out the hit?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:42 GMT
#465
1. Mafia kill kush.
2. Mafia rb kush.
3. Mafia will not do both.
4. If mafia kill kush rb will probably be wasted.
5. mafia will rb kush.
6. If the jailkeeper and roleblocker target each other, both are notified of the roleblock.
7. Kush needs to try to rb the rber.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:43 GMT
#466
btw 6 is a quote from rules.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:45 GMT
#467
jail dandel.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:48 GMT
#469
can a rb kill and rb in the same night?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:49 GMT
#470
kush this is not the time to discuss these things.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 20:53 GMT
#473
kush you have to be tricky...
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 21:05 GMT
#475
##vote:Dandel Ion/Replacement
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 21:06 GMT
#477
Kush did you actually jail dandel?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 21:12 GMT
#479
Kush, for the future, the idea is you try to set a WIFOM mindbomb for the mafia. This was a tough situatio nthough.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 26 2012 22:35 GMT
#481
Yay you are learning!!
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 27 2012 05:37 GMT
#495
I really think we are getting ahead of ourselves here.

1. Dandel was #1 scumread d1
2. Dandel pushed a mislynch.
3. He never sounded like a townie when he was defending himself.
4. He never referenced any IRL issues that limited his posting D1. Its not hard to say "excuse my low amount of posts, IRL issues." Replacement only came up after the lynch which makes it implausible for explaining the d1 lurkiness.
5. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&currentpage=22#424 This post screams scum tapping out. He basically says "I would rather play gw2 and I don't give a shit about the town." Sounds like scum that knows hes caught.

Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 27 2012 05:45 GMT
#497
On August 27 2012 10:45 Spaghetticus wrote:
##FoS thrawn2112

I have been thinking you bad town for some time, but the constant discrepancies between your reads and my own are starting to be suspicious. I'm putting you as my scummiest read after Shady Sands and Dandel Ion. It is not that you are completely irrational like WeeTee and Kush have been previously, but that you seem both capable of logic and complete irrationality.


I agree with this and I also think that the fos on mkfuba from thrawn is quite suspicious.

First, the wagon on WeeTee was largely thrawn's doing. I thought it was just bad play at the time, but it could be more sinister. Second, given WeeTee's green flip, I think Dandel HAS to be suspect #1. This smells like mafia trying to disperse the suspicion on the hopes that the replacement wipes the slate for dandel and town can be sent in another direction.

The case made by Thrawn also seems like a huge reach and not very strong.

HOWEVER, we need to lynch dandel before we decide who to lynch next. If dandel is mafia, THEN we can decide (based on evidence) who his partner is. If he is not, we will have a body of evidence and a number of suspicious players to look at.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 22:52 GMT
#542
If only we had a more active town at the D1 lynch deadline... We actually had 4 votes on dandel at one point.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:04 GMT
#549
All I had to do was find my inner Hapahauli. Then it was easy to find the scum
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:11 GMT
#552
GG all.

@Thrawn: Check your bad townie radar.
@kush: I think you need to give yourself some time to think about your posts before you post them. They read as very off-hand and regularly incorrect.
@Alsn: Lynch Deadline...
@Dandel: Watch dat lurkiness
@Shady: I actually like your 'make him rage strategy' but you probably needed more distance from dandel to pull it off.

@All GG!

Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:16 GMT
#554
Also is it bm to vote for yourself for MVP?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:27 GMT
#560
Thrawn was on the WeeTee Wagon, not good play.

Not gonna lie, the quality of town play in this game was pretty low... we had D1 roleclaims, horrible D1 lynch, people mia at D1 lynch, etc. At one point I would have called about half the town scummy.

Also, Shady why aren't you accusing me of googling the scum QT thread?
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:35 GMT
#562
Also, who was the cop? I'm pretty sure there should have been a cop if there was a mafia rb and a jailor.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 28 2012 23:53 GMT
#565
Does that mean there was no cop? From how i read the setup, it seemed like if there was a mafia RB then there would be a cop.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 04:53 GMT
#586
Also to clear up the 'experience' read on dandel.

In Newbie III (which I played with him) he was a key player for the town. Whether he's played a lot of games or not, he showed skills that I didn't think he was applying in this game.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 04:55 GMT
#588
Also it seems my town meta is extremely scummy. Hasn't gotten me lynched yet lol.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 04:56 GMT
#589
I think I got kinda lazy d1 because I was so convinced I got dandel. I thought if i tunneled hard enough, with no other real options(I thought) we would lynch and he would flip red.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 05:01 GMT
#592
I don't mean to say its intentional lol. Its just how its happened.
Lvdr
Profile Joined August 2012
United States418 Posts
August 29 2012 05:12 GMT
#595
That doesn't consider that there are only 2 scum to find. As we saw here, a somewhat unexpected d1 accusation turned out to be on point and smoked out scum 2.
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