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On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote:
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.
Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads.
Fair enough, just wanted to get a clarification off you.
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Ok Lvdr, you were the last one in, and I know you're an experienced player, so I'm going to ask you for a scum read now. Who do you read as scummy based on their posts so far, and why?
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Right now my eyes are on Kush and WeeTee. Yes it is their first games, but thats no excuse to just sheep onto others ideas. Get out there! Don't use your newbiness as an excuse!
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Wait has everyone posted already?
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On August 24 2012 09:25 Lvdr wrote:
Wait has everyone posted already?
I think so. Right now I'm concerned about Kush. His post at the very best is completely useless to town.
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So everyone wants to lynch me because I didn't share my thoughts about if lurkers are really bad or just kind of bad? Everyone's posts so far have been useless IMO.
I have a lot of free time so yeah I will read this thread pretty much constantly and carefully. And as soon as I suspect someone or have something to say I will say it. But at this point it's impossible to know anything about anyone so dont point fingers at me because Im new.
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On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote:
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.
Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads.
If it comes down to voting for a strong scumread and one of several lurkers, I'd rather go with the scumread. Being too focused on lurkers caused me to play poorly in my last game. If I make a strong case against a player I am definitely going to vote for them. Excluding that, lynching a lurker is the backup plan.
Your experience of how mafia players lurk during newbie games is something I don't have so I don't share your commitment to a flat out "only lynch a lurker during D1" plan.
On August 24 2012 08:55 Spaghetticus wrote:
@Thrawn
If the worst outcome of lurking is to not get lynched, I don't see how town can possibly eventuate victorious. Lurking is an aspect of scum behaviour, or of poor play, and should be treated as such. You seem to propose it as some sort of tie breaking mechanism, but I believe this to be an over-simplification.
In day 1, there will be extremely little information to go by. Lurking will almost certainly be the biggest tell as to the value/alignment of a player.
I don't think that "worst outcome of lurking is to not get lynched" but I don't think that D1 is the time to do it. Of course there are always exceptions...such as the player who has 4 posts at the end of D1, he's sheeping the popular cases, and never offers any original reasoning for his votes.
But yeah, hopefully lurking won't be an issue. I expect all this talk about lurker policy will help achieve that. And this disagreement isn't that big of an issue to me, because if I have a case worth lynching someone over then it should be a strong enough case to convince everyone else.
On August 24 2012 09:27 Shady Sands wrote:I think so. Right now I'm concerned about Kush. His post at the very best is completely useless to town.
That post also caught my eye and I suggested that he comment on the current discussion but so far there's been nothing. Kush it's not too big a deal this early on but the longer you wait the worse it's going to look.
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On August 24 2012 09:33 kushm4sta wrote:
So everyone wants to lynch me because I didn't share my thoughts about if lurkers are really bad or just kind of bad? Everyone's posts so far have been useless IMO.
I have a lot of free time so yeah I will read this thread pretty much constantly and carefully. And as soon as I suspect someone or have something to say I will say it. But at this point it's impossible to know anything about anyone so dont point fingers at me because Im new.
Nobody said they wanted to lynch you, and nobody is pointing fingers at you because you're new. We just want everyone to be involved in the discussion.
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On August 24 2012 09:33 kushm4sta wrote:
So everyone wants to lynch me because I didn't share my thoughts about if lurkers are really bad or just kind of bad? Everyone's posts so far have been useless IMO.
I have a lot of free time so yeah I will read this thread pretty much constantly and carefully. And as soon as I suspect someone or have something to say I will say it. But at this point it's impossible to know anything about anyone so dont point fingers at me because Im new.
No worries, all of us here were once new (or are new). What I meant there was that when you post something which is basically
"I have nothing to say"
Then that doesn't help out the town, because the town doesn't get a read on your opinion, one way or another. Even on small things like lurker lynching, that's important, because every opinion is another piece of evidence for town to better determine whether or not you're guilty.
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So at best, your post doesn't contribute to town. At worst, you could just be feigning activity to get in early as a scum and not have to provide cases right from the get go.
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Also the lurker discussion can be thrown out the window because it looks like we have no lurkers 
Kush lets see you go out on a limb!
Townie nubs have nothing to fear, Scummy nubs have to be veeeeeeeery careful what they say.
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Hey Lvdr.
I might elaborate that I disagree with the Lurker policy in part because it establishes a guideline for the scum to act upon, this is a Newbie game so as long as people are trying to participate I will not be basing any votes on Lurking at least for the first day.
On August 24 2012 09:14 Shady Sands wrote:
Ok Lvdr, you were the last one in, and I know you're an experienced player, so I'm going to ask you for a scum read now. Who do you read as scummy based on their posts so far, and why?
Shady mentioned that you had experience in the game already so could you analyse some of the content at a better standard than 'you didn't write much'.
Help us all get the ball rolling!
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On August 24 2012 09:45 WeeTee wrote:Hey Lvdr. I might elaborate that I disagree with the Lurker policy in part because it establishes a guideline for the scum to act upon, this is a Newbie game so as long as people are trying to participate I will not be basing any votes on Lurking at least for the first day. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 09:14 Shady Sands wrote:
Ok Lvdr, you were the last one in, and I know you're an experienced player, so I'm going to ask you for a scum read now. Who do you read as scummy based on their posts so far, and why? Shady mentioned that you had experience in the game already so could you analyse some of the content at a better standard than 'you didn't write much'.
Help us all get the ball rolling!
Ok that definitely sounded suspicious to me. You shouldn't act like you are relying on other players to scumhunt for you. Shady expressed the same sentiment but he has been very active so far but all you did was agree with Shady. You gotta contribute more than that!
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On August 24 2012 09:34 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote:
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.
Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads. If it comes down to voting for a strong scumread and one of several lurkers, I'd rather go with the scumread. Being too focused on lurkers caused me to play poorly in my last game. If I make a strong case against a player I am definitely going to vote for them. Excluding that, lynching a lurker is the backup plan.
FWIW I think what happened last game was that you got me lynched when I rolled town, in spite of me being the most active D1 poster by far, so I'm not sure how you could say that your focus on lurkers caused you to play poorly in the last game.
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On August 24 2012 09:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok that definitely sounded suspicious to me. You shouldn't act like you are relying on other players to scumhunt for you. Shady expressed the same sentiment but he has been very active so far and all you did was agree with Shady. You gotta contribute more than that!
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On August 24 2012 09:51 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 09:34 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote:
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.
Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads. If it comes down to voting for a strong scumread and one of several lurkers, I'd rather go with the scumread. Being too focused on lurkers caused me to play poorly in my last game. If I make a strong case against a player I am definitely going to vote for them. Excluding that, lynching a lurker is the backup plan. FWIW I think what happened last game was that you got me lynched when I rolled town, in spite of me being the most active D1 poster by far, so I'm not sure how you could say that your focus on lurkers caused you to play poorly in the last game.
you know... my whole obsession with archrun and the vig shot on him N1 thing
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On August 24 2012 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 09:51 Shady Sands wrote:On August 24 2012 09:34 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote:
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.
Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads. If it comes down to voting for a strong scumread and one of several lurkers, I'd rather go with the scumread. Being too focused on lurkers caused me to play poorly in my last game. If I make a strong case against a player I am definitely going to vote for them. Excluding that, lynching a lurker is the backup plan. FWIW I think what happened last game was that you got me lynched when I rolled town, in spite of me being the most active D1 poster by far, so I'm not sure how you could say that your focus on lurkers caused you to play poorly in the last game. you know... my whole obsession with archrun and the vig shot on him N1 thing
Ah, I wasn't around for that.... being dead, thanks to you.
j/k I tunneled you just as hard that game, no hard feelings.
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Lets leave previous games in the past.
For what its worth I think Shady is Town, he's doing a good impression of his town meta.
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On August 24 2012 09:56 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 09:54 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 24 2012 09:51 Shady Sands wrote:On August 24 2012 09:34 thrawn2112 wrote:On August 24 2012 09:03 Lvdr wrote:
Shady this is like the third game I've played with you in the last few days. If you don't know my lurker policy you must be thick as a brick.
Policy: LYNCH LURKERS. Hopefully there are no lurkers and we can vote scumreads. If it comes down to voting for a strong scumread and one of several lurkers, I'd rather go with the scumread. Being too focused on lurkers caused me to play poorly in my last game. If I make a strong case against a player I am definitely going to vote for them. Excluding that, lynching a lurker is the backup plan. FWIW I think what happened last game was that you got me lynched when I rolled town, in spite of me being the most active D1 poster by far, so I'm not sure how you could say that your focus on lurkers caused you to play poorly in the last game. you know... my whole obsession with archrun and the vig shot on him N1 thing Ah, I wasn't around for that.... being dead, thanks to you. j/k I tunneled you just as hard that game, no hard feelings.
yeah of course.. it was a case of extremely active townies yelling at each other with bad results for both
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On August 24 2012 09:58 Lvdr wrote:
Lets leave previous games in the past.
For what its worth I think Shady is Town, he's doing a good impression of his town meta.
By that you mean examining and questioning everything he possibly can? I gotta agree with that.
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