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On August 13 2012 05:01 GMarshal wrote: Day 1 lynches are a better way to go anyway :-P blasphemy! cover your eyes! | ||
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On August 14 2012 16:52 Djagulingu wrote: Turns out that that game is full (2 empty slots along with 3 untaken signups before mine). I want back /in if you still accept me. be open, transparent, and forthcoming with your opinions and you'll be fine | ||
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On August 16 2012 22:15 Djagulingu wrote: OMGUS. Here is another nickname I got in the mafia forums. The previous ones include but not are limited to: 1- Djuligling 2- Djililug 3- lingu 4- DJ-lingu 5- DJ 6- Djagulinguist I heard mafia guys all get nicknames but the number of nicknames I got called up to now is pretty close to the number of my posts in Mafia subforum. + Show Spoiler + Not that I complain about it though, I'm becoming more of a confirmed townie among TL Mafia Community  you missed VE's Jangalang On August 16 2012 22:23 Palmar wrote: I don't have a nickname. The trick is picking a good nick to start with. oh you have a nickname alright. | ||
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gotta swear on something that matters, man | ||
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edit: and... On August 21 2012 05:15 Palmar wrote: Got anything to contribute beyond throwing suspicion on a perfectly good reasoning by DJ? no u | ||
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(let's get this all out the way ) | ||
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too many words, don't wanna read | ||
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well done | ||
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time to sheep | ||
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die scum | ||
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I've already had more votes this game than I get in my average game. Let this not be a trend! :> | ||
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On August 22 2012 02:54 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm one of the GREATS. You think to compare your scumplay with MINE?!?! lol wat. Didn't I just lynch you? Super pumped for this game. | ||
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On August 22 2012 05:03 talismania wrote: What's this reference? Is this bureaucracy stuff? I didn't follow that one closely. Bureaucracy, IGCOM, and I'm sure a couple of others before that. | ||
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" But you're not that kind of guy." always makes me smile when someone knows something about how I play. Anyway, you know I never let towns sit on their asses. What do you think of the bravado of Shady? Some over-compensation in his first non-newbie game, perhaps. | ||
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On August 22 2012 07:06 Shady Sands wrote: Should we go lynch-all-lurkers instead of rando-voting, pour encourages les autres? Might take the suggestion seriously if you didn't have your vote on someone who's made several posts already | ||
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On August 22 2012 07:42 Shady Sands wrote: This doesn't smell right either. First you say: Lurker lynches good backup Then you say: Easy lynches bad Then you say: Not good to do lurker lynches just yet. Then you make a non-sequitur attempt at humor. So basically if we shouldn't go for lurker lynches, and we shouldn't call out the guy who is obviously scummy, then what, exactly, should we be doing? That's not what he said, why are you saying it is? | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:16 VisceraEyes wrote: Marv is outspoken in his seething hatred of Chez' typical style...might have something to do with it. ha, I don't think I have that kind of influence on Chez. Pending further posting, i am pleasantly surprised, however. | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:19 Shady Sands wrote: How isn't that what he said? He said that if a lynch looks too easy it's probably a bad lynch. Isn't that just like saying those who are obviously scummy are probably not? no, it means fast bandwagons with no resistance are often town. This in no way equates to "we should not call out the guy who is obviously scummy". | ||
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For now, come out and play or die a horrible scummy death. ##Vote: Kville | ||
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twisted wagonstarter | ||
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On August 22 2012 21:19 Kville wrote: Cute, guess i came in good timing. Just finished reading and reviewing. Although, it is quite interesting, however, how marvellosity and djagulingu just random vote correspondingly on same person. Even though I never found marvellosity to kind-like during my reads. #FoS marvellosity Not random, voting for someone who hasn't said a fucking thing. And you enter the thread and say even less. Most of it doesn't even make sense. | ||
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On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote: No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about? btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^). and you FoS only one of us? not even the sheeper, no less. More constructively - these votes happened right at the end of the thread, that you have now read through. Do you have anything to say about the rest of what you've read? | ||
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What do you think about Obvious and talis? | ||
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Bluelightz, you can't come into this game all eager because of the playerlist and then go "he's suspicious, but now he's not" and disappear again. Step it up. Shady I don't like because of how he twisted Obvious' post. But he's active and I'm wary of mislynching him because he has a tendency for some foot-in-mouth action. I'm quite suspicious of talis; a lot of his posts have this... touchy-feely-careful feel to them. " Actually to be completely honest", "this suggestion felt to me", "which is how I initially read it", and On August 22 2012 08:51 talismania wrote: Actually, VE do you really want to push palmar? I may be reading things completely wrong but I get the impression you're just using him as a tool to poke newbies with (no offense, newbies). | ||
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On August 22 2012 15:44 Djagulingu wrote: 2- Palmar: He either seems like a DT or a scum, more likely to be a DT. I don't know which one, but it is irrelevant. Either way, he's going to give away scumbags. Where did this come from? | ||
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On August 23 2012 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote: Don't make me do a post-by-post case guys...no one in the thread wants that. Just slowly...I SAID SLOWLY!!!....remove your present votes and place them directly on the scumbag Shady. don't need a PtP, but can you at least consolidate your thoughts into one post | ||
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On August 22 2012 12:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Throughout his filter, Shady Sands does nothing but fling baseless suspicion around the thread at anyone posting for any reason. Go look for yourself, he literally hasn't said anything of substance for me to quote as proof. Every post he makes is a leading, accusatory, one-time interaction with someone in the thread...or arguing with marvellosity. Never have we seen a read or an opinion of his own. Even in arguing with marvellosity I don't get the feeling that Shady thinks marv is scum - and that DOMINATES his filter. ##Unvote ##Vote Shady Sands Shady was mislynched day 1 in XXIV for reasons pretty similar to these. In addition, in XXII he was saved from a similar mislynch by his mason partner dying and him being able to claim confirmed town status. | ||
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On August 23 2012 02:40 VisceraEyes wrote: You're certainly sticking your neck out to defend him marv. I hope he appreciates it. <3 ha! I'm sure he does gonna tell you a quick little story. there was once a game called Not Themed where marvelbabe was bullied (bullied! believe it or not. and by Risen!) on to the 'scummiest guy in the thread', Vivax, despite having had a strong town metaread on him, and Vivax subsequently flipped town. so most of all i want a lynch with all the correct information backing it up. anyway i'm home, so i'll do some reading. | ||
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Kville still hasn't done anything to show me he's town. talis is continuing his trend by leaning scum on someone without accompanying it with a vote. One player that has come up for me is Lvdr. He says this: On August 22 2012 09:18 Lvdr wrote: In my past 2 games I've tended to be very controversial early d1 to attract suspicion. followed by being extremely uncontroversial. See: On August 22 2012 11:26 Lvdr wrote: I've been actively reading the thread, but there is just not a lot a content so far. It seems most people are playing pretty conservatively so far, and there aren't really any big talking points (outside of the rando-lynch that I weighed in on) As for lynch policy, I support lynching lurkers D1. Whether it is necessary or not, lynching lurkers is good for forcing activity, and seems to give a decent chance for catching mafia as well. If the day was ending now (I think this is what you mean?) I think town would be screwed because there is very little to vote on. He wants to be controversial, except there's nothing to talk about, and even when pressed he still wouldn't commit to any sort of read. Finally we have On August 22 2012 22:49 Lvdr wrote: @ Shady: You expect lurkers to come up with a case, yet you have only provided a random vote and a bandwagon/lurker vote. Looks like scum wants the town to do their work for them. ##FOS Shady Sands That's what it looks like indeed. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr | ||
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doesn't give me a townread on shady but it stops me from having the scumread that you have. | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:23 talismania wrote: dear lord what happened there. I think I typed in the quote: "continuing my trend of what? I never vote early D1. I'm not a fan of how my name keeps floating up for seemingly no reason." On August 22 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote: I'm quite suspicious of talis; a lot of his posts have this... touchy-feely-careful feel to them. " Actually to be completely honest", "this suggestion felt to me", "which is how I initially read it", and | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:25 talismania wrote: what is this? Are you completely neutral on him? I can see being completely neutral on some other players in the game but he's stuck out so much it's hard not to classify him into one camp or the other. I would lean town side of null, due to his activity levels and he was less controversial than he was as scum in XXIII. VE gives the scum-side well enough. It's why I want more time with him. What do you make of Lvdr and Kville now he's posted his "I got home" post? I was expecting some scumhunting from Kville but instead only got a terribad defence. They're my two red reads at the moment. | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:51 Lvdr wrote: I suppose my comment about being controversial should have been followed by an intention to play straight up. I haven't done anything crazy right? Regarding Shady, I have a null/town read on him based on his interactions (tunneling) with kville. I don't think he would be a good lynch target for d1because if he is scum we can smoke him out later based on his activity. so who *would* make a good target? | ||
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people best not be voting Lvdr because of that 'scumslip'. | ||
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Went back and reread, and I really think you're making too much of the Lvdr thing. You were his scumread, but he was entertaining the notion that you might be town and was trying to get additional information. I get the incongruity that you pointed out, but I can understand the townie side of it too. What did get my attention is Chezinu, though. I don't like his lapse into trolliness at all (and not just because I dislike trolliness!). Both his return to trolliness and his explanation of it seems very much like a defense mechanism. Townies have no reason to be defensive in that situation, mafia do. ##Unvote ##Vote: Chezinu | ||
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On August 23 2012 14:23 Bluelightz wrote: For now, ##Vote:marvellosity Some reasons 1. Takes the easy lynch target, and only because of him lurking, and doesn't provide additional reasons. 2. His post's are mostly one-liners with the occasional suspicion More reasons later as I read more :/ I can't even describe how lazy and shit this is. You've outdone your own retardometer, grats. Last time you made similarly awful points as 2) it made me think you might be scum, although I forgot about it for some reason. That was NMM2 when BL accused VE of 'fluff' posts in a case. Same for VE as for me, totally alignment unindicative. | ||
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On August 23 2012 19:25 VisceraEyes wrote: Honestly I don't - he mentioned "lapsing" once, and there have been a couple of posts where I was like "Oh Chezinu.." but the vast majority of the time he's not talking about big brother or Brown or Mr Walton or anything like that which are hallmarks of "typical Chezinu" play and I haven't had a hard time following what he's talking about. So you think he's been scumhunting like a baws? | ||
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I'll look into Obvious more this afternoon. | ||
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On August 23 2012 21:34 Kville wrote: In other words, I'm easier to target and lynch for a scum. So you believe Shady to be scum then... where be your vote? | ||
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I'm not voting for Lvdr today. My original vote on him was predicated on what i thought was a promise to be controversial followed by the opposite, but I'm satisfied that was not what he intended the post to mean. As explained previously, it reads to me that Lvdr got twisted in knots with the whole town/scum VE alignment shizzle. It's also clear at this stage that I'm not getting a Chez lynch through. With him promising for this to be his 'sane' game, he has done spectacularly little with this in terms of scumhunting. But without the support of vets who know him (VE/Palmar) it's not happening. I'm thinking I may have read too much into it. Back to Obvious. His self-vote is just confusing as shit as well as horrible. I particularly don't like it because he started off the game in a light-hearted, jovial fashion, and once under serious pressure he's totally flipped out. The two are incongruous. I also picked up on this when going through his filter: On August 23 2012 13:49 Obvious.660 wrote: ##VOTE: Palmar Still not sure if this one is the serious about his random lynch. Talky please. ##FOS: Kville for being too much like YourHarry. In fact, anyone who exhibits YourHarry-isms will be policy lynched, shot, and lynched again. His vote and FoS look like they're totally the wrong way round here. He has a case on Kville and gives another reason to want to kill him (yourharryisms) yet his vote is on the guy he wants to talk with, and only his FoS is on his scumread. Leaning scum. But: I'd like to present an alternative - Bluelightz. He came into the thread saying he was suspicious of Obvious, but then backed off him because his casual one-liner response was apparently townie. Later he then poops some unfinished thoughts about me into the thread and disappears once again. But most of all, this post: On August 23 2012 12:08 Bluelightz wrote: Well, I'm here. Don't have much time, have to sleep but i'll defend: 1.Is it not bad that people are just flinging around reasonless accusations? (or stuff) 2.Are the people I am accusing of not participating participating? 3.I said I am here, but I got too focused on games 4.Last promise, I'll deliver tommorow on my summary on marv (depending if my read changes or not, if it does change im going to do an analysis on the person its changed to) I'm still suspicious of marv though, so my vote is still on him, there's a small chance I'm going to be there for the lynch as well. This is all just a complete abdication for any responsibility for the Day 1 lynch. He's willing to leave his vote on me, someone who isn't going to get lynched, with only a small chance he'll be back to change it. He's been around in the game but instead of making an effort he's been playing games. He will deliver his summary on me 'tomorrow'. What use is that?? The lynch is today. He's barely making reads, he's totally apathetic towards the lynch, and seems pretty uninvested in the game and with town in general. ##Unvote ##Vote: Bluelightz | ||
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On August 24 2012 03:47 VisceraEyes wrote: Dat powermove. Obvious self vote does feel contrived. Like, this isn't a large game where his flip by lynch is a drop in the bucket. It is a mini. Every townie is precious. While rethinking consider who you feel is most likely to flip town...we'll lynch the other guy. For someone who posts so much, dear, you have an uncanny knack for saying so much with so little. Do you disagree with me on Bluelightz then?? | ||
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really VE? | ||
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If you think I'm scum trying to divert a lynch, clearly this suggests I'm trying to get it off my scumbuddy, Obvious. Except you lean null on him? It's logically inconsistent. Go read BL again. Tell me how you possibly think he gives a shit about this lynch. | ||
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Thread seems to have gotten quieter as we're approaching lynch time, which sucks. People need to get in here so we can consolidate on candidates. | ||
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is your aim to cause a no-lynch? you're voting me because my play feels 'off' and you disagree with my read (for which you are bad, not me) VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 07-11-2012 09:18 PM ET (US) Marv looks bad: details at eleven. VisceraEyesPerson was signed in when posted 07-12-2012 08:00 PM ET (US) Marv doesn't ALWAYS look bad...I think he looks REALLY GOOD most of the time, which was why I mentioned it at all. marv gets killed night 1 and flips town. | ||
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you're voting me because my play feels 'off' despite the fact your record at determining my alignment is as bad as mine on you (that was Not themed above, see Bureaucracy where you were the only player to pressure me, see Movie Mafia) as it is you're throwing your vote away and it's ridiculous. Make a proper case on me, or start playing for town and vote for one of the main candidates. | ||
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On August 24 2012 05:56 VisceraEyes wrote: No, I'm not going to vote for Marv so it's pointless. I'm going to consolidate on Bluelightz and mislynch with you guys. we're talking about the lynch. let's talk bluelightz. can you please answer me on why you think BL's apathy towards the lynch makes him townie? why are you so sure it's going to be a mislynch?? | ||
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You throw your vote on me with little to no explanation other than you disagree with my read and my play feels 'off'. What you could have done is discussed what you thought about BL and then pushed whoever your strongest scumread was. | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:01 Palmar wrote: no, let's kill obvious do you think BL is town? do you disagree with my case, and if so why? | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Thanks! I could have also posted an animated gif or spouted platitudes about the weight of a feather or something too! But I didn't. Do you think it's scummy? Are you going to vote me for it? Then what's the point of you bringing it up? I realize the things I could have done, but I did what I did. What are YOU going to do about it? I'm going to get pissed at you, because I've had a decently strong townread on you for most of the game. And somehow you've let me get into your head. | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:11 Shady Sands wrote: Why? Other than a case on Lvdr he actually hasn't built a coherent argument. you just answered your own question. the case on Lvdr was coherent. His pressure on you was typical of his townie play. He's also been VERY active which is a towntell. move your vote. | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:13 VisceraEyes wrote: Nothing happened between when marvellosity was attacking Lvdr for his own reason and when he defended Lvdr from my attack. Except...ready for this? LVDR ATTACKING MARV'S DECENTLY STRONG TOWNREAD VE. Lynch this clown. He doesn't get to break hearts in this town again. someone attacking someone I have a townread on has to be scum? why? | ||
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I had read it as he said he was going to be controversial and he wasn't being. This is in the thread. What don't you understand? Further, because you have a townread on someone, I have to agree with their choice of lynch? How does that even make sense?! I'm scum because I think somenoe else is scummier than the person being pushed? | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: LMAO why in the piss did you have me go look at Dwarf hunny it's totally different than this game! You were like...assertive and inquisitive, you seemed to care about finding out peoples' alignments. In this game you're just tossing around suspicion and sitting back. You're one of the reasons this town is dead my friend, Chezinu and I have been in here trying to keep it alive and you haven't done SHIT about the state of affairs. Several players said I was less assertive and decisive than they were used to seeing me there. It's the reason I also included those quotes from you observing Not Themed. How am I tossing around suspicion and sitting back? I'm trying to get my biggest scumread lynched. What are you doing? | ||
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On August 24 2012 06:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Do you think Obvious is town? I think he has a decent chance of flipping scum. I would consolidate on to him. I think BL has a higher chance of flipping scum. | ||
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silly, isn't it. | ||
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Thing is, I've learnt from Movie, and I don't think you're scum for it. I just have this weird hoodoo over you for some reason. I don't really want to become your new bugs, dude :/ | ||
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It's also why a votecount would be good. If a BL lynch absolutely isn't possible then I will consolidate on to Obvious. | ||
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On August 24 2012 09:01 Lvdr wrote: Everyone's reads are just "I think this person is town" "I think this person is mafia." I know you guys are the veteran elite players or whatever, but you still need to have reasoning! and what are you doing to help, precisely? | ||
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Palmar, please tell me how 'ridiculous stuff' is the same as 'not giving a shit about the lynch'. As things stand, I'm quite concerned that neither you nor VE agree with my case at all, and I don't really get why. | ||
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What do the people on the BL wagon think of him? | ||
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I'm not at all comfortable with this lynch now, and Obvious is the better option. ##Unvote ##Vote: Obvious.660 | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:23 Shady Sands wrote: Marv, it takes less than 10 minutes to type up something like that. Are we seriously going to give BL a free pass just because he did that? I find it far more plausible that that was his actual spreadsheet than one invented. Calling everyone town is a ludicrous idea. He also came back for the lynch, and his posts on return seemed townie too. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:31 Shady Sands wrote: I still don't get it. How does calling everyone town in his spreadsheet make him town? A couple of games ago in a game with him I back-filtered about 6 games of his. Every time he was town he was obsessed with townies, every time he was scum he'd make scumreads. Unfortunately I was too emotionally invested in other stuff in NMM2, but go take a look where he was scum there. Lots of scum reads, no town reads. | ||
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If lurkers, it has to be talis like VE says. talis had a 13 page filter or so in Mad Men as town and he's been markedly absent here. | ||
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On August 24 2012 11:46 Shady Sands wrote: Why are you posting a ragepost on Obvious' flip before the night post? On August 24 2012 11:03 s0Lstice wrote: Reposted Night 1 post to next page | ||
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On August 25 2012 02:14 Shady Sands wrote: Marv, what 6 games from BL were you referring to when you said you had backfiltered his meta? I can't remember the games, but WoF was the genesis for these thoughts. See posts like these + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2012 21:32 Bluelightz wrote: Toad, I know that your not Okay with this, but at least im going to explain how im going to try to find scum :/ 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace By cutting down the townies who I think are town, There are less people to read,etc. I guess you may just call this by process of elimination. Also, your exaggerating very much, I'm not calling 'EVERYONE' Town. On my suspicions, I have a sneaking feeling that prp is scum, MrZentor I'm debating as well. + Show Spoiler + On April 26 2012 23:04 Bluelightz wrote: Here is my current standings on people before I sleep 1 Mr Zentor 2 SamuelLJackson (Toadesstern+sandroba hydra) 3 Radfield 4 Snarfs 5 VisceraEyes 6 Phagga 7 prplhz 8 strongandbig 9 Forumite 10 Sbrubbles 11 marvellosity 13 Ace | ||
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On August 25 2012 03:12 Shady Sands wrote: You cited 6 games marv and all you can do to justify a meta read is 2 posts? You said you backfiltered his games. You made it sound very impressive. And this is it? Can you read? I thought it was pretty clear it was something I had not done this game, but previously. So, for not wanting to spend an hour finding games to research by going through BL's profile (something you can do yourself) I went back to what had given me the idea in the first place. You fucking constantly don't read. You asked Palmar why he was raging before the nightpost. If you read the bloody thread properly you would have seen why it was the case. I then clarified, and instead of reading you then asked again. LEARN TO READ. | ||
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Tell us now, are you going to actually do anything this game, or sit around making comments like a useless douchebag? I just need to know what to expect. My activity level is going to drop for the next couple of days. Bank holiday weekend in the UK. I'll be phone-checking/posting at regular intervals, so hopefully it'll be fine. VE and Shady are just as bad as each other for making connection theories pre-flip with me and Lvdr or Bluelightz, take your pick. Noob mistakes. Shady showing he's absolutely delusional by expecting to be hit last night as well. I'm going to have to take a closer look at Lvdr to see if I'm missing something. And we should still lynch the piss out of talis. Good lord has he done nothing and that's not his town meta. VE, you saw him play in Mad Men dude. This is not it. | ||
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Regarding talis, I invite you to look at his filter, his non vote day 1 and general not giving a shit for toan The meta argument is on top of this. Lvdr I will look into when I can and give an opinion well in time for today's lynch. | ||
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On August 26 2012 06:54 Shady Sands wrote: We just ripped into each other hard in Newbie XXV. Except this isn't that game. Make your f eelings clear this game please. Read talis and let me know what you think. | ||
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Also I'm hoping I will have some proper internet later ##vote talismania | ||
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On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote: This is what makes you suspicious: If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. They were the only 2 candidates with more than one vote. And that was 1.5 hours before deadline. The reason I wanted people to give an explanation is that I had hoped that people who were able to be around at the time could work something out. I was doing my best on limited time/sobriety to get town to consolidate its votes (sadly no-one listened, and instead a new candidate was introduced...) Also, a huge 'screw you' to the people who think me making the effort, at 1:30 am in the morning, to take time out of my party and check on my TL Mafia game, isn't 'good enough'. Jesus. I can't be here to babysit a town who decide that a last-minute voteswitch based on a possible scumslip, with me away, VE & talis totally absent, was a bloody good idea. Speaking of VE, I have absolutely no idea what's going on with him. I don't think I've ever seen him basically stop playing before like this, so I'm not really sure what it means for his alignment :/ | ||
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Day 1 he wants BL dead but does fuck all to make it happen, and only when I make a case and push it hard do votes start coming in on BL. Then he happily hops off on to Obvious, again following my lead. Day 2 he's voting for a fringe candidate once again, and then practically straight after I ask town to consolidate he starts the voting off on a 3rd candidate, and unsurprisingly town no-lynches. It looks like iamperfection was basically riding on the back of Shady's suspicion, just like he rode on my back to Obvious day 1. Having the gall to FoS me for how the day 2 lynch went down is just icing on the cake. | ||
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1) I said IN ADVANCE I was away for most of the weekend and phone-posting. I did my best to do so. 2) It was unsurprising for reasons I JUST POSTED. A new lynch candidate was introduced into a fairly inactive town, with less than 1.5 hours remaining. 3) How do you want me to "better explain what happened"? I think I've done exactly that. 4) Do you have special insight into what a disappearing VE means? It's something completely new to me and you want me to be definitive when there's no way for me to be definitive about it? What's wrong with you? Was it a mystery to you that talis and VE were completely inactive? Did you not know my circumstances over the weekend? Why are you just bullshitting at me, scumbag? | ||
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On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote: So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment. In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. | ||
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shady has been the only person trying to make town do anything today. kville is almost certainly just an inexperienced townie. what's your excuse? | ||
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Also, do you really think Djagy has the sort of town-standing he needs to manage to push lynches on to anyone? | ||
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On August 24 2012 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote: That's supremely unhelpful Obvious, but I guess you know that. I really prefer an Lvdr lynch. Remove your vote from yourself and put your vote there. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr I'm willing to consolidate onto Obvious, but I prefer an Lvdr lynch today. On August 24 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote: He comes across as townie. He was attacked, I feel he adequately defended...and your case on him reads as diversionary to the Obgious wagon Palmar is pushing. Because I am leaning town on Palmar and null on Obvious, the math is pretty easy.w Bold my emphasis | ||
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You're not this dumb, dear. Come on. Sheeping = following someone mindlessly. I made my own case on Bluelightz and I voted for him, something you hadn't done. My case was based on BL's total apathy to the lynch. The fact that the post that most of the read came from was in response to you is quite inconsequential (hence my massive confusion about you saying I sheeped you on BL). | ||
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On August 28 2012 03:28 Shady Sands wrote: Ah, okay then. But you still led the charge on the Obvious mislynch. Yes, of course. Anyone who knows my play knows I don't shirk responsibilities for my actions. I made a case and pushed for BL to be lynched, but his return to the thread/reaction/spreadsheet made me think he was town. The best town player in the game (Palmar), who was also my strongest townread, thought Obvious was scum and I thought he had a decent chance of flipping scum too, so I led people off BL on to Obvious. Of course it sucks that Obvious was town. And it's the price I paid for trying to push town to get a decent lynch that I came out of it not looking so hot. | ||
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On August 28 2012 13:39 Bluelightz wrote: ##Vote: Chezinu Still hasn't responded to my case and keeps on making useless post's. hey BL, why Chez, who always trolls with useless posts, and not talis, who is usually an active townie? | ||
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And I didn't refuse, you huge douchebag. I've explained where I was. You're just being a dick. | ||
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On August 28 2012 12:43 Shady Sands wrote: A couple possibilities with the Daypost: 1) Scum did not use their KP. 2) Scum used their KP but JK jailed a scum. 3) Scum used their KP but JK jailed their target. 4) Scum used their KP but medic healed the target. Shady: 5) Scum used their Delay power is another option | ||
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On August 28 2012 21:53 Kville wrote: Stop taking things out of context. I specifically said with YOUR vote as in MARVELLOSITY. That is you correct? You see town? how aggressive they are and they way they protect each other as I stated in my post previous. There is something very interesting between these too. Thank you Marv and DJ for proving my point. thank you for proving my point that you cannot read the thread. it's nothing to do with protecting each other. I WAS AWAY AT THE WEEKEND AS ALREADY EXPLAINED CAN YOU READ THIS? | ||
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On August 28 2012 03:20 marvellosity wrote: Associative cases - don't bloody do them until someone has flipped. They're bad. Somehow thrawn and YourHarry got tied together during Day 1 and Day 2. And to town's detriment. They were different alignments and yet people were tying them together as the same alignment. Just look at the damage it can cause. It led to the actions of one player being used to indict another player before either have flipped, which is just nonsense. I don't want to say TOO much about it, but remember this? | ||
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As far as I can see you're just making shit up. You should stop that. | ||
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As long as we're clear - you're voting DJ because of that one comment that he already explained (pretty satisfactorily imo) and because you're desperate that I'm scum defending him and not, shock horror, a townie not wanting to lynch someone he considers another townie? You have considered this, yes? | ||
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On August 28 2012 23:25 iamperfection wrote: @ Marvelosity So you think accosiative cases are bad but accept Djagulingu explanation? Can you please enlighten us on that. I read it as bull shit. His whole theory hinges on voting trends which makes no sense to me. Mafia have the information advantage they can influence how they look by where they vote. His point was that is Lvdr was town, Chez has simply been wagoning from townie to townie with little explanation. What is there to dispute here? | ||
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On August 28 2012 23:44 Kville wrote: Oh? He thinks Lvdr was town? You don't say.. as Said by DJ: "is" was clearly a syntax typo for "if", otherwise the sentence doesn't make sense. Get rid of your confirmation bias please. | ||
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On August 28 2012 23:49 Kville wrote: So if lvdr was town then doesn't that make it seem like DJ is voting to lynch a townie as well? If you don't read the thread, I will rip your head off. The original "scumslip" everyone jumped on was where DJ-lingu said (paraphrasing) - "if Lvdr is scum, yay! If Lvdr flips town, Chez is probably scum" - the explanation for which was that Chez would have been wagoning from townie to townie with no explanation. WHY IS THIS SO HARD FOR YOU | ||
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On August 29 2012 09:50 Shady Sands wrote: Lvdr, I'd like to hear an explanation as to why you decided to sheep Marv's wagon for Talis when your read on Talis was the following: Also, your play in this game is completely different from your town play in XXV. Part of the reason I quit XXV was so that I could clearly call everyone's attention here to your confirmed town play there versus your play here. I would encourage everyone who is still on the fence about Lvdr to see his play there versus his play here: Lvdr's filter from this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=278119 Lvdr's filter from XXV, where he was confirmed town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=361579&user=278119 Look at how much more engaged Lvdr is when he plays town--look at how much he sticks around at lynch time and tries to drive a read home rather than going AFK and saying he has to eat, then sheeping other players. Anyhow, at this point I think lynching him will give us more of a read on a bunch of other players too. I'm going to switch things around. ## Unvote ## Vote Lvdr ## FoS IamP ## FoS Marv I think he is our best D2 lynch candidate. I will be around tomorrow prior to 2-3 hours prior to lynch time to round up votes. Some of this case is actually pretty good. As for the bold, I went digging and found the following. This is around the Day 1 lynch deadline: On August 24 2012 10:06 Lvdr wrote: I'm willing to consolodate on obvious, but i dont like tht so many people are afk so close to the deadline. This is pathetic. ##obvious.660 Berating town for being afk. Then on Day 2, we have instead: On August 27 2012 05:17 Lvdr wrote: ##Vote: Talismania Let's see what happens. followed by a post a few minutes after. Then not a peep from him in the next 6 or so hours coming up to lynch time. My previous read on him had related to how he was engaged and participating with town (check my filter) and firstly this hasn't been the case recently, and secondly the fairly glaring contradiction above, is making me reconsider. I'm quite conflicted, because quite a lot of his early play was pretty townie. As town knows I didn't think at all his scumslip was a scumslip, and he's been present and active at least some of the time, compared to... ...talis, who still needs to die die die. He's useless and he's never useless as town. He was totally absent for both lynches and seemingly doesn't give a shit who gets lynched. I outlined the case against iamperfection earlier in the day. What makes me doubt my read is this response to me on the DJ-lingu issue: On August 28 2012 23:45 iamperfection wrote: marvelosity is smarter than me. ## unvote Usually scum stick to their guns and don't back down with humility like that. It very much reminds me of Mattchew in Magic Mini backing down and voting for my scumread there (I can dig it out if people really want). We should really be lynching talismania today. I can't imagine a scenario where he's town. Nothing he's done tells me he might be town. ##Vote: talismania | ||
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This is my 6th? (maybe 7th) game with talis, so I've probably played with him more than he's played with anyone else on TL Mafia. When I subbed into Mad Men Day 3, I hadn't really read the thread properly yet, but: On August 09 2012 07:56 marvellosity wrote: it was my breadcrumb, donkeyface. anyway i mostly followed day 1 and kinda tapered off day 2 so have some catching up to do. my preliminary reads coming in are that talis is town wbg is scum for his case on grush and then I didn't wanna lynch him even though he had a red-check on him (he turned out miller). I know a town talis when I see one. The thing is the meta points to him being scum, but in addition he's done jack shit this game. His vote was useless and abandoned day 1, day 2 he only turned up right at the end to sheep. That's scummy play all on its own. | ||
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On August 29 2012 11:00 Shady Sands wrote: How do you know he's only feigning contribution or not? Instead of looking to quantity, look to quality. Talis' posts really forced Chez and IamP to go straight with their trap/baiting claims on each other. That's very helpful. Look at Lvdr now. Can you honestly say the same? Yes, I would say overall Lvdr has been more proactive and helpful. At least he cared enough to participate in the day 1 lynch. He may be scum, but talis is scum. | ||
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But I'm going to tell you talis has a much higher chance of flipping scum and you'll be telling me vice versa. | ||
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On August 29 2012 17:15 Shady Sands wrote: ebwop on a one on one basis, I don't think lynching any of them has more value than lynching Lvdr at this moment. Depending on how Lvdr flips, we can gain a lot of credibility into VE/Milton AND IamP as well. This is meaningless twaddle. Who gives a flying shit about the credibility of a bunch of players? The only thing that matters is who is likeliest to flip scum. The fact that you're suggesting otherwise is horrible. | ||
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On August 29 2012 20:44 Miltonkram wrote: Ok, having caught up on the thread a few things have jumped out to me. Firstly, because of general inactivity and the accusations that have been flying every which way between the active posters in the thread I think the correct play for scum has been to lay low. I'm looking at several players who have avoided putting out a lot of content, specifically Chezinu, Talismania, iamperfection, and KVille. At this moment I'd be fine with a lynch on any of them, but especially Chezinu. I realize he plays trolly, but he hasn't contributed much more than placeholder votes at the end of the days. This is bullshit. Feel free to hoist him up and I'll make sure to dance on his grave. It seems like there is a decent amount of traction towards a talismania lynch. While my gut prefers a Chezinu lynch, I can happily get behind this lynch as well. Having played with talis in the past, I think he's been inactive/unhelpful enough to warrant a lynch. I'm pretty tired and catching up on the thread while I probably should have been sleeping has left my brain fried. I'll hopefully get some more time when I wake up to put together more complete cases. Night everybody. To the bold, this could well be a good shout. Lvdr, do you have a 2nd read behind talis? | ||
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On August 30 2012 00:32 Shady Sands wrote: Thanks for drawing attention to this. Marv, do you have 2nd and 3rd reads behind talis? iamperfection/Lvdr are secondary, weaker reads, Chez as the wildcard. | ||
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On August 30 2012 04:10 talismania wrote: hokay so basically I'm on the block because I haven't been around? I guess that makes sense. I haven't been around much after all =P Can't say I've even really gotten into this game from the get-go either. I usually like a bit of setup talk to chew on but this one after all is normal. ok let me gather my reads n shit. Apathy that only happens when talis is not town. talis hates scum and loves playing town. I'd like to see him even try to deny this, and try to explain this away. | ||
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"i don't give a shit about this game" brilliant. Lynch this guy. | ||
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On August 30 2012 05:10 Shady Sands wrote: Jeez Marv. I just posted my interpretation of Talis' actions. Why don't you post your interpretation of how Lvdr could forget his own fucking read on someone? he said null. then he listed a couple of things he found scummy and said maybe he'd talked himself into a scumread. Later he said he was scum. Fairly obvious progression. it's in the fucking quotes you pasted. talis, I have 11 pages of filter despite being away for the weekend. Screw you about me "not caring". | ||
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On August 30 2012 11:18 Shady Sands wrote: Ok town, here are my reactions off the lynch: First, I apologize to everyone here (and Lvdr) for tunneling him so hard. I honestly thought we had a scum. Second, if scum saved up 2kp town is facing LYLO tomorrow; if not, MYLO. Either way, the road ahead is going to suck. Third, I have a few more reads coming up. I will be digging through Marv's, DJ's, IamP's and Chez's filters. Also, KVille needs to better explain his Lvdr greenflip/DJ redflip theory. you look into whatever the crap you want, but we're going to lynch talismania tomorrow. | ||
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On August 30 2012 12:54 iamperfection wrote: so what happened bluelightz spending time with the girlfriend? also why did you fell it neccesary to state this? Yes, BL disappearing is an absolute disgrace. If he is town and was roleblocked, then of course he should claim he was roleblocked, however. | ||
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On August 30 2012 12:52 Kville wrote: I knew Lvdr was town, it was blantantly obvious to me that he was being framed and pushed for a lynch. It is sad to see him go but he has provided the most useful information for us as town. I'm sorry, what? Day 3 and you're voting for someone who know is town? What the fuck is this?? | ||
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On August 30 2012 21:23 Quatol wrote: I think you're on some kind of hard medication, frankly oops. requoted, it was me. | ||
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On August 31 2012 01:01 Kville wrote: What about Lvdr, wasn't he one of your top scum reads? And then he turns bright green. Stop trying with your lousy bluffs. Lvdr was your top scum read and then you said he was bait yet you still bandwagon Lvdr instead of going on talis. You strategy was too good to be true and now you will have your downfall. You nothing but a desperate scum grasping for air, surrounded by revloutionaries. Isn't lynching town after town what you've been wanting? We lynch Lvdr and now you want Chez next. It's an obvious vote from you. Just put your hands where we can see them and walk up the gallows. I predicted this very moment, this story from the very beginning, but the ending will change with a victory for the town. On August 30 2012 12:52 Kville wrote: I knew Lvdr was town, it was blantantly obvious to me that he was being framed and pushed for a lynch. It is sad to see him go but he has provided the most useful information for us as town. yeah ok | ||
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On September 01 2012 00:42 iamperfection wrote: Why did you explain that it was town like for bluelightz to claim he was role blocked. you asked him why he claimed he was RBed. I was saying that if you (general you, as in anyone) are roleblocked, you should always announce it to the thread. | ||
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On September 01 2012 00:56 iamperfection wrote: alright ill just be honest. I had an extremly strong town read on bluelightz(i know i never specifically stated that but whatever) i had hoped to keep him around by casting some suspicion on him. Now i thought you had a similar read on bluelightz from the first day shannigans so i find it odd that you would then point out it was likely town motivation in his actions. So why didnt you just wait untill the deadline for your statement? Wouldnt that have been the better town course of action? Hmm. Yes, I had a town read on BL. I don't quite understand what you're getting at though. As far as I'm concerned it went like: 1) BL claims he got RBed 2) iamp asks why he claims this 3) marv points out RB should always be claimed Why would I wait to clear that up? For reference, I have seen townies NOT claim RB recently (indeed, it was Milton in a recent game) | ||
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On September 01 2012 01:07 iamperfection wrote: because if you thought he wast town wouldnt it have been better to keep suspicion on him in hopes he may survive the night in order to narrow your suspect pool. ok, I see what you're getting at. I've seen people play that way (strongandbig did it to me in a recent game) but I don't subscribe to it. If you think someone is town, you want them to have as much credibility as possible in order for people to listen to them. I would always take clarity in-thread over fingercrossing with nightkills. I've never cast suspicion on a town-read to try to get them through the night, and in all likelihood I never will. | ||
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On September 02 2012 05:47 Shady Sands wrote: so kville/talis/chez scumteam? i've said it before and i'll do so once again. DO NOT MAKE TEAMS. talis is fucking scum and we'll lynch the piss out of him today. During the night we'll find the next scum with analysis, with some help from a confirmed talis flip. Shady, your play has been so wild this game (and is partly why i think you're town!). But look at how quickly your ENTIRE scumteam changed when just one player (BL) flipped. That's why connection theories are so awful. At the moment I think I know the thrust of my next case, and I'll hopefully be staying up just before deadline during the night to make it. to ANYONE who is unsure: vote talis. I'll repeat again - I've played tonnes of games with talis and I fucking know his town play and that this is not it. His absence at critical times, his insidious ways of trying to discredit me without providing any evidence. This is still our game to win. | ||
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On September 02 2012 06:25 Kville wrote: Now your just guessing. And honestly would we it really be this obvious?town lost if this vote goes through. bullshit wifom. | ||
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On September 03 2012 18:20 Shady Sands wrote: Marv y u no post or vote? Sleep and work are terrible things :o Kville is of course looking like scum. The whole voting for townies and avoiding mafia thing. I want to look at Dingaling this evening before I commit though. It's lylo and it's a good reason to be doubly careful. | ||
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On September 03 2012 13:56 Shady Sands wrote: Can scum RB the same person two days in a row? not mods, but i've never seen this be a problem. | ||
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On September 04 2012 07:57 Shady Sands wrote: Instead of just starting by voting Lvdr? After all Lvdr was an easy mislynch choice who did he end up voting? | ||
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On September 04 2012 08:17 Shady Sands wrote: DJ started by voting Talis, then switched to Lvdr. You even called him out for it, I think yes, it was a leading question ^^ my point was, actions > words. It's all very well voting for talis to start with, but it's totally meaningless if your vote doesn't end up on talis (and with little explanation, to boot) | ||
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On September 04 2012 08:27 Shady Sands wrote: Actually, I'd read that as a town tell, because this is majority and time-based plurality lynch. In majority lynch, there's pressure to bandwagon on the leading candidate to ensure no no-lynch happens. So by piling on a wagon, you make it more likely that others will consider your wagon more heavily. In a time-based plurality setup, the opposite is true: if someone disagrees with the lynch, then you voting on someone will make it feel more urgent for that person to push their candidate to make sure their candidate wins the "race". Basically, if DJ was a scum, why would he make Talis look like the leading candidate with less than 24 hours to go, and only switch away from Talis once the votes got very close? That's not optimal scum play this is wifom. only switching away when the votes get close tells its own story. "not optimal" scumplay doesn't mean it isn't scumplay. Do you think Kville has made optimal scumplays? | ||
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There are smaller things to do with this that tie it together, though. He's been trying to discredit me for quite a lage part of the game. Never with evidence, just pokes and aggression. Insidious play. He basically barely mentions talis at any point. His filter is mostly devoid of an opinion on talis even though he was a very serious lynch candidate day 3 and got lynched day 4. His tunnelling of lingu seems to be a way of avoiding having to deal with the talis situation. Blind tunnelling is a favourite scum tactic to make it look like they're contributing. Notice how he's backed off me in the last 48 hours or so. Up to now I've avoided being overly committal on Kville. Suddenly his read on me has softened markedly as he thinks I might take his side, so he stops antagonising me. ##Vote: Kville the kicker is which of chez and lingu :/ | ||
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On September 04 2012 17:52 Shady Sands wrote: True. I don't like the quick 5-1 split though. Makes me wonder if we should have slowed down the KV wagon to bait the other scum out for a counter-wagon. It's just the way a game can go at lylo. Kville effectively not bothering to defend himself, while splurging suspicion at everybody, is pretty convincing at this point. | ||
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flavour was epic at the end and all the way through. | ||
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http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/FtwkfCNA6Bzi | ||
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On September 05 2012 16:36 DoYouHas wrote: This makes two games I read you like a book Marv. Haha! I play to the players in the game, not the observers ^_^ On September 05 2012 19:49 Bluelightz wrote: Oh my gawd. Gotta trust my reads more. TRUST ME PEOPLE, I GUESS SCUM TEAMS.  sorry for a sub-optimal performance though in every other thing except reads.Why would anyone trust you when you don't do anything? The only points you listed on me were 100% alignment null. | ||
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On September 06 2012 01:10 Chezinu wrote: Oh and I was telling the truth about my tactics. As you can see, MAFIA NEVER DEFENDS ME!!! Even this game tali and marv went against me at some point. you'll never believe me if i defend you in future | ||
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On September 05 2012 11:25 GMarshal wrote: s0Lstice was an excellent cohost, and he gets my seal of approval. Also, post game analysis coming this weekend. :OOOOOOO | ||
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On September 21 2012 08:34 s0Lstice wrote: lol iamp, you are brutal ;D sorry its taking so long. I know gmarshal is a busy dude, and mine kinda got delayed with grad school starting. Keep the faith though my friend, it will come. not brutal by this stage; it's been so long people start to forget what happened and how they were thinking during the game, making the analysis less worthwhile. | ||
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