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On August 22 2012 05:57 VisceraEyes wrote: That was fairly...ominous. Intentional? Do, or do not! There is no try! Seeking to spread dissent, the scum will be. Your best scum read, should you vote. | ||
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1/12 odds from random lynch are pretty weak odds for hitting a monarchist. Being completely random takes it out of the realm of the purpose of the game: to use dialectic and intuitive processes to determine who among us it not town. | ||
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On August 22 2012 06:15 VisceraEyes wrote: 1/12 is the odds of hitting a specific player. 1/4 is the chance of hitting scum..in the name of"proper math" 1/4 is pushing it. Consider that a random "whatever whoever" lynch only promotes people to defend themselves, and not scum partners, essentially leaving you at a 1/11 chance the next day when there are no clear links established between players post-flip. I consider random voting a good way to waste an entire day cycle and lose at least two of our fellow townsmen/women (one to lynch, one to NK) in the process. Since when is 1 in 4 good odds? Those of you who are FOR a random lynch, what makes you comfortable betting your life against 1 in 4 odds? Tell you what, we'll put everyone who is okay with a random lynch into the random-lynch pool and we'll randomly lynch from that pool, just so everyone is okay with it, deal? | ||
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Also, I agree with Shady that the LoveDoctor doesn't smell right. His olfactory glands are probably on his elbows. | ||
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On August 22 2012 07:42 Shady Sands wrote: This doesn't smell right either. First you say: Lurker lynches good backup Then you say: Easy lynches bad Then you say: Not good to do lurker lynches just yet. Then you make a non-sequitur attempt at humor. So basically if we shouldn't go for lurker lynches, and we shouldn't call out the guy who is obviously scummy, then what, exactly, should we be doing? I said we shouldn't focus on lurkers for the first 24 hours, so we can talk about, you know, things that don't involve lurkers that might get us somewhere, y'feelme? You don't have to like my humor, either mang. I'm suspicious of you for not tunneling the shit out of anyone yet. Where's the crazy outspoken town Shady Sands I've witnessed? | ||
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On August 22 2012 07:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Ooohhh...stick. Because people aren't scummily lurking until halfway through the day, right? Like, they could just not be around or not be aware of the game yet? I see what you're getting at. So what kind of thread-relevant stuff not related to lurkers do you suggest we discuss? You didn't seem interested in discussing the prospect of Palmar scum...my vote and Shady's vote has been on him for the majority of the game now I think - and while you vehemently disagreed with Palmar's random-lynching idea, you didn't seem to consider that such an anti-town idea could have come from scum. At least, if you did you didn't mention it in-thread. Sup? I'll discuss the idea of Palmar scum in the context of him being serious about a random lynch: On August 22 2012 04:54 Palmar wrote: I don't have a history with him so I'm just taking that for what it is. Chezinu chimes in with this:That explains alot. I'm not joking with the random lynch btw. On August 22 2012 03:31 Chezinu wrote: I don't know what to make of Chezinu intentionally changing his meta for this game. He's being up front about it so it's possible he's just experimenting with something regardless of role/alignment. This post from Chezinu is the most useful I have seen regarding whether or not to take Palmar at his word about being pro-random lynch.I'm fine with whatever you have to say in a joking manner. However, we all know that behavior analysis is the number one option in lynching mafia day 1. Besides, you know what happened last time you advocated a random lynch day 1... It was not too long ago. Let us remember, oh yeah.. It was when you were mafia.. I think it is not wise to follow the same path unless you are trying to develop a new meta with your vanilla town role because you are so disappointed that you don't have any abilities. It is a good long term investment. BUT remember you must play to win... This isn't bureaucracy where your life comes before your job. You must play to win first! Well, I'm guessing that is in the op... I haven't read it yet to be honest.. Alright, I'm going to go read it now. All I'm taking away from this at this point is that I now know that any possible meta-analysis of Chezinu is going to be more difficult should it come to that, and that Palmar is probably just going with his meta (joking/not joking about random lynch) and we, the town, decide how to react to it. | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote: That's a mystery you'll have to take up with Palmar. He does it as a reaction to the game starting generally, and his purpose varies with game. Suffice to say he'll go through with it if we decide to do it, but no town ever has ever. I think, anyway. Using this context regarding Palmar, what justification do you have for asking for me to vote for him if the only basis for his alignment is coming from a null tell considering he does this nearly every game. I'd prefer to hear it from him what his motive was exactly in proposing and endorsing a random lynch. If he isn't forthcoming about it today then I'll start with the voting. | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:51 talismania wrote: Actually, VE do you really want to push palmar? I may be reading things completely wrong but I get the impression you're just using him as a tool to poke newbies with (no offense, newbies). Best I can tell, VE loves this game. He's been a scum coach in one or two of my newbie games here, probably also while playing games on his own, so he's not someone to take lightly when it comes to this game. I'll say this as a question since I don't want to assume it: VE, would it be true if I said you are the type who enjoys this game when it moves almost too fast to keep two contiguous complete thoughts on the same page? Does this stem from the fact that it's a Mini game and there are half as many players to keep thing moving along? | ||
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On August 22 2012 08:35 talismania wrote: Hey people I don't know: who are you and how you play? I don't follow the newbie games but it seems like you all know each other. Gimme your meta thoughts on each other. Right now I only really have a sense for how VE and marv play out of everyone in this game. I have played with two people in this game before. Iamperfection - semi-quirky player who sometimes likes to refer to himself in the third person and in theme with his own name. My experience with him was in a game where I died D1 to a lynch I never really defended myself from, so I don't have much to go on in terms of interaction, but that was Newbie Mini Mafia XXI if you feel like looking up a previous game of us together.I stopped following that game soon after I died and moved on to another game. Shady Sands - I know him as an aggressive but sometimes misguided town member who was unafraid to go after people no matter what. It's possible he's changed his MO a bit now that he's swimming with the big sharks. | ||
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On August 22 2012 09:17 VisceraEyes wrote: Actually I take that back...Normals move a lot faster. Do you feel you're having a hard time keeping up with this thread Obvious? Not presently finding it too difficult, it's actually a nice change of pace from my previous games that I have something to look forward to every time I go grab a drink or something. I can't wait to see what kind of night life this thread presents. Maybe we can set up a disco ball, some sweet techno jams, and dance while we scum hunt? | ||
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On August 22 2012 09:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Perhaps...let's see how well you handle just scumhunting first, eh? Perhaps...let's see how well you handle me being awful at scumhunting first, eh? BTW I already have the dance floor set up and everything is a go on that end. Just need your disco ball. | ||
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On August 22 2012 10:53 Bluelightz wrote: Hello, Bluelightz is here  .I have suspicions on Obvious which I will outline in my next post. Sweet. I was getting bored. | ||
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On August 22 2012 10:58 VisceraEyes wrote: I know right? I almost peed my pants. So far I'm underwhelmed - while his analysis of players' locations made the wait more bearable - it didn't really do much in the way of help us find scum if YAMEEN Ophelia man. | ||
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On August 23 2012 01:13 Kville wrote: I knew that was going to a response Shady. Marv is still a suspect,but i as i have been reading through the way you reply and switch through you on top as well as the other two i have on my list. I unvoted becuase it seems pointless to even have one at this moment until more intel is gathered. shady talis obvious marv Does that fit your taste? I'd love to respond to this but it's really just not readable. Would you care to try again? What does it mean that Shady is "switch through". You made a list but have provided no evidence or context whatsoever, and have been incoherent in doing so. That's worse than lurking in my book. | ||
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The first thing I want to bring up right now is BL (and others') suspicions of me for not voting Palmar based on being convinced that he truly intended to push for random lynch. Being my first game with Palmar, I wasn't certain that he was indeed serious about his claim there. My response to this line of inquiry about me was to, as VE put it, put the ball in Palmar's court to find out why exactly it was he proposed and endorsed a random lynch. On August 22 2012 08:44 Obvious.660 wrote: I never did get a satisfactory response from Palmar about this. Palmar, would you be so kind as to share why you have once again pushed for a random lynch?Using this context regarding Palmar, what justification do you have for asking for me to vote for him if the only basis for his alignment is coming from a null tell considering he does this nearly every game. I'd prefer to hear it from him what his motive was exactly in proposing and endorsing a random lynch. If he isn't forthcoming about it today then I'll start with the voting. | ||
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On August 23 2012 01:28 Shady Sands wrote: KVille is pretty scummy-looking right now. Could you give a clear read yourself on him, one way or another, instead of simply questioning him and moving on? Coffee brewing. Then your request will be fulfilled. | ||
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I'll take a look at Kville, who apparently came into the thread to push some suspicion away from himself and cast wild accusations at others. Then to disappear. So that's cool I guess. So his preliminary, opening "case" that is his list of people have "sketchy posts": On August 23 2012 01:02 Kville wrote: Followed up by adding Marv who has has already cast suspicion on AND voted for, after being called out for forgetting to add him to the list.The question of what i thought of talis and obvious? Well i can't say much about talis but his posts do seem a little sketchy aslways as obvious. My top three suspects seem to be : talis obvious shady I'll post more about these three later when i get home from my classes. Until then ##Unvote On August 23 2012 01:13 Kville wrote: So there's no evidence exactly what those sketchy posts were, outside of the train of votes for Kville and somehow the interactions between those players being evidence of a scum team?I knew that was going to a response Shady. Marv is still a suspect,but i as i have been reading through the way you reply and switch through you on top as well as the other two i have on my list. I unvoted becuase it seems pointless to even have one at this moment until more intel is gathered. shady talis obvious marv Does that fit your taste? On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote: This post above is making mountains from molehills. Implying connections this early in a mini game, where people working together (scums, masons) are likely to be far more careful of being linked by meta-factors such as post timing, is rather silly. It's a good bit of evidence to bring up when looking at other such coincidences and making further reads, but until those situations present themselves I just don't see any justification for making the call that it's linking them as scum partners.No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about? btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^). I think I like this one the most, though: On August 23 2012 01:32 Kville wrote: Marv has earned his FOS and Vote for what I see as OMGUS reasons, and Kville is now certain that he has found a second scum in Shady Sands. Oooookay. Next we're going to hear how if X flips Red then Y must be Red? Kville's entire train of though needs to be explained. No your still a scum and i plan to prove it. | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote: VE you made me laugh out loud.You guys are making it hard to think objectively. In related news, that's pretty ironic. I remember doing that once. My first game here actually, Newbie 21. From the post count, this is Kville's first game too unless he's a smurf. How much newbie credit do we want to extend here, if any? If the answer is zero, I'll probably seal the deal on Kville with my vote. Palmar still hasn't given me any reason to second guess myself either, so if it's not Kville, it's going to be Palmar. | ||
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Still not sure if this one is the serious about his random lynch. Talky please. ##FOS: Kville for being too much like YourHarry. In fact, anyone who exhibits YourHarry-isms will be policy lynched, shot, and lynched again. | ||
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On August 23 2012 14:00 Bluelightz wrote: Symptoms may include:Would you care to explain YourHarry-ism ?
Also interesting is that he can spell Marvellosity properly but screwed up Sandy Shades. I mean Shady Sands. + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 21:42 Kville wrote: Lemmings will be lemmings and you just happend to be the one in front. What i gathered is that you claim to 'sheep' and yet you yourself have done nothing else but provide one liners and start nothing but chaos. If it makes you feel any better #Vote marvellosity On August 22 2012 22:18 Kville wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 22 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote: Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread. While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum. Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you? Of course no team mobs will ever vote together, but one does need to set fire to the match. Sandy Shades wasn't in my window until I posted which is why i never mentioned him although i will be looking into him and jing will give intent and info. about his reasoning, doesn't mean he is off the list but its better than just shooting in the dark. | ||
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##Vote: Obvious.660 I'm not afraid to die. Yes, I am bad town. I'm not making excuses for it, I'm just working around like you would work around a broken leg. By doing stuff the best you can. Palmar, your response would have been enough if it had occurred the first half of D1, you know, when I asked for it. You avoiding answering it then and there, as simple as the answer was, would have gone a long to my concern against you. Vote was a pressure vote since you weren't forthcoming on your own. Now you're engineering my mislynch? There were hints dropped throughout the day that I've been acting suspicious (that I disagree with, but again, consider the source). So here's my plan. I'm going to vote for me. You get two more votes for me in VE and yourself, Palmar. 4 to go. I imagine if neither of you two are scum you will be looking closely at those 4 additional votes so consider this me doing you a favor as my entrusted neighbors. | ||
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On August 24 2012 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote: That's supremely unhelpful Obvious, but I guess you know that. I really prefer an Lvdr lynch. Remove your vote from yourself and put your vote there. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr I'm willing to consolidate onto Obvious, but I prefer an Lvdr lynch today. I'll tell you what. I'll look at him myself an decide if he's more scummy than I look and only then will I switch my vote to him, we good? | ||
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So far we're more similar in our views up to the point I flipped back from reading. He's trying to understand Shady Sands' play and stating opposition to a random lynch. Just a heads up for you who have not played together with Shady, Shady's town play is more typically characterized as JingleHell-esque -- biting in HARD and not letting go without good reason or better targets -- something which has not been matched here and thus I've intended to keep an eye on Shady for not matching it to decide if he's doing it more out of fear of being in the spotlight in a normal game or if he's scum trying not to rock the boat here too much. Still thinking alike up to this point: On August 23 2012 05:51 Lvdr wrote: Town Shady I knew would have been pushing harder on Kville but, as I saw in the thread Marv dissuaded him from pursuing Kville during his absence. Sup with that Marv, you are certainly aware of Shady's town meta. You protecting town or scum with this?Regarding Shady, I have a null/town read on him based on his interactions (tunneling) with kville. I don't think he would be a good lynch target for d1because if he is scum we can smoke him out later based on his activity. After this, LordVader is dismissive of Shady Sands' play as misguided town and moves to the ever-vocal VE. Oh look, LactoseVolkswagon has you possibly pegged: On August 23 2012 07:30 Lvdr wrote: Is your voting for him OMGUS or are you legitimately concerned about the new guy being able to read you?EBWOP: Otherwise VE is just trying to bandwagon a bad townie. This guy is town to me. My vote stays on myself. | ||
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On August 24 2012 03:06 Palmar wrote: on the phone so ill be brief i hate that shit with a passion obvious, no matter your alignment, voting yourself is playing against your win condition. fuck this shit. rethinking, will post later I don't care what you hate. | ||
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4.Why is when I got into the game a factor in me being scum?(Hint: explain), It's not like I should always post when I'm not ready. Not sure what this even means. Unless it means he lurked intentionally to gauge the thread and to have a target in mind (me) to strike to appear active and involved. Keyword: appearance. His play since then has been, as Marv has put it, uninvolved.##UNVOTE ##VOTE: Bluelightz | ||
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On August 24 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah I disagree on Bluelightz. ##Unvote ##Vote marvellosity You make a compelling 'argument' there | ||
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On August 24 2012 08:53 Palmar wrote: Because I don't think Palm/BL/VE scum team. You heard it here first, folks. | ||
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This guy is way too excited about voting town. | ||
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