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Shady, why don't you tell me what you think of iamperfection. I was flicking through your filter earlier and you were clearly suspicious of him at some point.
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On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote:
So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not.
On August 27 2012 15:20 Djagulingu wrote:EBWOP: I knew that Chezinu would bandwagon me if there was one, but I don't know why there was a bandwagon for me in the first place. I called him out and BAM 5 votes on me. Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 09:36 Shady Sands wrote:
Right now I think town's top priority is to lynch Djagulingu. He hasn't contributed much (but then again, not many have); moreover, his association reads on Lvdr, me and Chez don't make much sense.
Do you mind if I ask you the definition of "contribution" around this place sir? And for some reason I'm the first bandwagon you have pushed this hard in your mafia career I guess? You must be reading something good on me. Mind if you share them with the rest of the townfolks so that they can know why they are voting for me? Because your post seemed like a poor reasoning to me, I wouldn't vote for someone with that amount of info.
Like I said, the kicker for me was the fact that you tried to do associative scumtells on Lvdr on two wildly different people between two days. My read is that you're a scum trying to set up for 2 straight mislynches in both instances. This ironically leads to me having less of a scum read on Lvdr until I lynch you.
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Shady, please answer on iamperfect.
Also, do you really think Djagy has the sort of town-standing he needs to manage to push lynches on to anyone?
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My read on IamP is moderately scummy, because none of his votes have been based off his own independent reads, but either sheeping you (Obvious), other people's D1 analysis (his revote on BL), sheeping me (Lvdr) or sheeping me on DJ. But other than that, I can't find any scumtells in his game. Overall, he's active, which bothers me a lot less than players like VE who literally flipped a switch in terms of activity.
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what gets me with VE is this: what's the scum motivation for being really active and then stopping playing at all?
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On August 28 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
what gets me with VE is this: what's the scum motivation for being really active and then stopping playing at all?
None, but there's no town motivation for it either. But when you look at how low-content a lot of his D1 posting was, you realize that overall he's spent 2 days lurking and giving bad reads on people (Obvious). If he had been really high-content D1 I wouldn't worry so much either, but now that he's gone from "Active lurking" to just plain lurking I have to FoS him.
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my memory is that he was somewhat neutral on Obvious and voted him to secure the lynch (his main read was Lvdr). shall check now
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On August 28 2012 01:54 marvellosity wrote:
my memory is that he was somewhat neutral on Obvious and voted him to secure the lynch (his main read was Lvdr). shall check now
No. He was trying to get people to vote Obvious over bluelightz for a while before the lynch.
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But only because Obvious may have been happening:
On August 24 2012 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's supremely unhelpful Obvious, but I guess you know that.
I really prefer an Lvdr lynch. Remove your vote from yourself and put your vote there.
##Unvote
##Vote: Lvdr
I'm willing to consolidate onto Obvious, but I prefer an Lvdr lynch today.
On August 24 2012 04:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
He comes across as townie. He was attacked, I feel he adequately defended...and your case on him reads as diversionary to the Obgious wagon Palmar is pushing.
Because I am leaning town on Palmar and null on Obvious, the math is pretty easy.w
Bold my emphasis
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My main read on Marv is based on the fact that he sheeped me for BL, then unvoted BL after seeing the excel sheet and led the Obvious mislynch wagon. Personally, I find it risky for scum to be as visible as that in securing a mislynch, but if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, it's probably a duck no matter how risky it is.
At this point my only reason for keeping him alive is that he's posting and around. If he ever lurks or starts "Activtely lurking" I'd be perfectly fine dropping him for a lynch.
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Also, I find Marv's constant defense of VE a little irrational and strange, especially given that he built cases on BL and voted for Obvious based on much, much less.
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I sheeped you for BL? what?
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On August 28 2012 02:03 marvellosity wrote:
I sheeped you for BL? what?
You used BL's response to my case on him as your justification for voting him.
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That's not sheeping you, dearest.
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The more I read through VE's filter, the more convinced I am that a) he's scum and b) he and DJ are scum.
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On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:This is what makes you suspicious: On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Please explain. If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play. Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon. He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu. Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him. Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now?
What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate.
On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote:
So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr?
It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag.
The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania.
All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me.
Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious.
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On August 28 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
That's not sheeping you, dearest.
Then what is sheeping me?
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On August 28 2012 02:14 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:This is what makes you suspicious: On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Please explain. If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play. Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon. He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu. Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him. Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now? What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate. Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote:
So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag. The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania. All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me. Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious.
This post doesn't make sense. It's a WIFOM mindbomb. Dissecting, hold on.
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On August 28 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 02:14 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:This is what makes you suspicious: On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote:
Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Please explain. If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play. Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon. He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu. Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him. Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now? What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate. On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote:
So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag. The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania. All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me. Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious. This post doesn't make sense. It's a WIFOM mindbomb. Dissecting, hold on.
WIFOM Mindbomb? Well, I can agree with the mindbomb part but it is hardly wifom. Let me clear the process for you:
1- I was really thinking that Lvdr is a scumbag
2- I voted for him
3- I saw Chezinu voting for him, he had no reasons unlike me. Horrible or not, at least I had my reasons.
4- I looked at Chezinu's voting history.
5- I saw that Chezinu bandwagoned for Obvious as well, with no reason on him either.
6- I posted that thing, which got me bandwagoned and almost lynched.
7- I saw Chezinu bandwagoning on me too, again with no reason.
Up until step 3, I was just trying to get a scumbag lynched. In step 3, I saw the opportunity. Up until step 6, my plan was the following:
1- OK, let's lynch Lovedoc. If he flips scum, we got one.
2- If he flips town, people who bandwagoned for Obvious and Lovedoc are scumbags.
At the step 6 though, a slight change in the plans happened, VERY accidentally. 2nd voting evidence was now ME instead of Lovedoc and we had a NL instead of a Lvdr lynch. But at the end of step 7, I now have 3 voting evidences instead of 2, thanks to Chezinu bandwagoning both me AND Lvdr.
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On August 28 2012 02:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
That's not sheeping you, dearest. Then what is sheeping me?
You're not this dumb, dear. Come on. Sheeping = following someone mindlessly.
I made my own case on Bluelightz and I voted for him, something you hadn't done. My case was based on BL's total apathy to the lynch. The fact that the post that most of the read came from was in response to you is quite inconsequential (hence my massive confusion about you saying I sheeped you on BL).
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