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On August 24 2012 08:48 marvellosity wrote: also, where in the cajones is DJ-lingu? Daymn. The fucking deadline is at the time I HAVE TO BE sleeping because I got work tomorrow (it is hardly called work tbh but whatever, deadline was 5AM and my work starts at 8AM). What a shitty thing.
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On August 24 2012 15:53 Shady Sands wrote: sleeping now. Still not done with filters yet. posting the mega-post in AM. will likely suggest a vigi target/d2 lynch target. I don't know if there is a better target than Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads and the fact that he very openly bandwagoned down Obvious does nothing but support my opinion.
On the other hand, Bluelightz after seeing the vote summary in page 44 switched right into Obvious, that is very suspicious to me as well. He thought that Obvious was a townie all along, his town read on him was very controversial, but he was still thinking that Obvious is town. Then, he switches his vote from marv into Obvious at the very last second to commence the lynch. My top read atm.
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On August 24 2012 23:06 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 15:53 Shady Sands wrote: sleeping now. Still not done with filters yet. posting the mega-post in AM. will likely suggest a vigi target/d2 lynch target. I don't know if there is a better target than Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads and the fact that he very openly bandwagoned down Obvious does nothing but support my opinion. On the other hand, Bluelightz after seeing the vote summary in page 44 switched right into Obvious, that is very suspicious to me as well. He thought that Obvious was a townie all along, his town read on him was very controversial, but he was still thinking that Obvious is town. Then, he switches his vote from marv into Obvious at the very last second to commence the lynch. My top read atm. I switched because I wanted to have a flip to use as evidence, or as a point to use for better reads. Still not convinced.
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On August 24 2012 23:56 Bluelightz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 23:10 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 23:06 Bluelightz wrote:On August 24 2012 16:41 Djagulingu wrote:On August 24 2012 15:53 Shady Sands wrote: sleeping now. Still not done with filters yet. posting the mega-post in AM. will likely suggest a vigi target/d2 lynch target. I don't know if there is a better target than Lvdr tbh, he's my one of my top scumreads and the fact that he very openly bandwagoned down Obvious does nothing but support my opinion. On the other hand, Bluelightz after seeing the vote summary in page 44 switched right into Obvious, that is very suspicious to me as well. He thought that Obvious was a townie all along, his town read on him was very controversial, but he was still thinking that Obvious is town. Then, he switches his vote from marv into Obvious at the very last second to commence the lynch. My top read atm. I switched because I wanted to have a flip to use as evidence, or as a point to use for better reads. Still not convinced. What about chez? he only said he was "ok" with my lynch and switched just like me Yet you don't have any suspicion on him, atleast I pointed out something about Obvious (long) before I switched to him (But after I changed my mind about him the other day). What would you do then, if I was the one mislynched today? The same thing I'm right now doing on Obvious' mislynch.
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EBWOP:
Trying to pick up leads from it, how it happened, how my scumreads are connected to that, what is the reason behind what they did, does that support my scum reads or refute them, all that shit.
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On August 25 2012 01:27 talismania wrote: 2) djasdflj possible scum. keen to latch onto wagons (me, lvdr, BL, obvious). overcomposed posts. mirrors posts of others in thread (palmar). keeps saying this is his first game ever on TL but knows too much about newbie games? I'm too lazy to actually see if he played them lol. 1- Care enough to look at where my vote is before saying that I latched onto obvious' bandwagon? And was there even a wagon for you? 2- I learned to read at elementary school, I can read perfectly ever since. The point is that (unlike you) I'm not as lazy to skimp on reading things, like newbie games (no offense on the laziness part but you're lazy enough to be unable to copy-paste my nickname). 3- BL tops my suspect list for a good reason in which Lvdr is just inches behind. 4- I'm trying to express myself and my reasons as good as I can. Just like I tried as hard as I could to read the aforementioned names and tried to structure my scumreads as well as I could. I can do only so well though.
+ Show Spoiler +Newbin been since newbin since been newbin SINCE BEEN NEWBIN. Remember?
5- Mirroring posts of other people? Heyll, I learned a new thing about myself today. Let's check if that's true or not.
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On August 25 2012 06:44 Shady Sands wrote: How many hours until daypost? 3 hours and 40 minutes I guess.
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I was already thinking that he is a scumbag, turns out that you think the same.
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##Vote: Lvdr
Nothing about him makes me think that he's a townie.
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Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu.
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On August 27 2012 08:35 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. ## unvote ## vote DjagulinguExplain faster. It was half bait half serious. All Chezinu did in day 1 was to look active and bandwagon Obv down. Then, he was also bandwagoning Lvdr until I called him out. Then he switches his vote on me, again in a bandwagoning fashion, creating an NL.
On August 27 2012 08:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Seconded. Explain faster. Also, now that I think about it, explain this too: Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 03:10 Djagulingu wrote:On August 23 2012 20:07 Palmar wrote: Alright this is the lynch I want
##Vote Obvious
For reasons outlined in my post.
tl;dr version:
1. Posts generic stuff (discussing lurker lynches and such) 2. Spends an absurd amount of time obsessing about my random lynch idea 3. His only attempt at scumhunting is basically rehashing what people already said about Kville 4. Wants to lynch me on something that's a null-tell, without any attempt at further analysing my play.
Please go along with this guys. Well, at least I was right about what Palmar was trying to achieve with random-lynch bullshit. He's picking off the guys who got overly obsessed with it. While liking his read on Obvious, I'm also reading something stupid from Lvdr. He basically defended Shady for the whole day, doing his job for him, which brought 3 options in my mind: 1- Lvdr is a scumbag defending his fellow scumbag 2- Lvdr is a scumbag defending Shady to make him look like a scumbag, after seeing people thinking that Shady is a scumbag. 3- Lvdr is a townie and trying to defend someone who he sees as a townie. Then I see this: On August 23 2012 20:37 Shady Sands wrote: back in thread. Why is everyone dropping the focus on Lvdr right now when we had him cold yesterday? and think. Think about the reason why would one of the 2 scumbags defend the other while getting bussed by the scumbag he's defending. This kicks the option 1 out of the window and brings another option in its place: 4- Shady is a scumbag trying to pick on controversial townies one by one, trying to create wagons for them. This eliminates option 3 in my mind. Right now, all I know is they both can't be townies. Checking both filters, I see that Shady is reading the thread, producing cases, participating the scumhunt, trying to be helpful at the very least. His attention is pretty scattered though. On the other hand, I look at Lovedoc and see that all he ever posts is some fluff showing no intention to participate in scumhunting, microscopic to no attempt on reading players and sharing his leads, almost like he doesn't even need to read other guys in the thread. All I know is; scum does not have to read people because they know everything, town on the other hand has to. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lvdr Here you say that Lvdr and I can't both be townies. So if Lvdr flips scum, then shouldn't you be suspecting me, too? Back in day 1, when we literally had little to no information, that's what I thought. If Lvdr flips scum, I would pretty much confirm that you are a townie.
But, seeing how Lvdr is suspicious, you could have been a scumbag trying to bandwagon him down into a mislynch in day 1 knowing that he's a townie.
So yes, if Lvdr flipped a scumbag, I wouldn't suspect you. After all, a day1 bus play is too balls-to-the-wall to execute.
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EBWOP: I knew that Chezinu would bandwagon me if there was one, but I don't know why there was a bandwagon for me in the first place. I called him out and BAM 5 votes on me.
On August 27 2012 09:36 Shady Sands wrote: Right now I think town's top priority is to lynch Djagulingu. He hasn't contributed much (but then again, not many have); moreover, his association reads on Lvdr, me and Chez don't make much sense.
Do you mind if I ask you the definition of "contribution" around this place sir? And for some reason I'm the first bandwagon you have pushed this hard in your mafia career I guess? You must be reading something good on me. Mind if you share them with the rest of the townfolks so that they can know why they are voting for me? Because your post seemed like a poor reasoning to me, I wouldn't vote for someone with that amount of info.
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I guess this means more scumbags for me to catch. Teeeeeeeeee Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:This is what makes you suspicious: Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Please explain. If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. Show nested quote +The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play.
Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon.
He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu.
Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him.
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EBWOP: The worst part is that scum can now frame me by waxing Shady tonight.
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On August 28 2012 00:01 marvellosity wrote: iamperfection looks like a scumbag based on his day 1 and day 2 voting and lynch patterns.
Day 1 he wants BL dead but does fuck all to make it happen, and only when I make a case and push it hard do votes start coming in on BL. Then he happily hops off on to Obvious, again following my lead.
Day 2 he's voting for a fringe candidate once again, and then practically straight after I ask town to consolidate he starts the voting off on a 3rd candidate, and unsurprisingly town no-lynches. It looks like iamperfection was basically riding on the back of Shady's suspicion, just like he rode on my back to Obvious day 1.
Having the gall to FoS me for how the day 2 lynch went down is just icing on the cake. He is just like Chezinu to me, another big time suspect, another scumbag to me. For the same reasons as Chezinu.
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On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote: So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation?
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On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:This is what makes you suspicious: On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Please explain. If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play. Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon. He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu. Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him. Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now? What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate.
On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote: So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag.
The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania.
All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me.
Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious.
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On August 28 2012 02:42 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 02:14 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 01:19 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 21:28 Djagulingu wrote:On August 27 2012 21:11 Kville wrote:This is what makes you suspicious: On August 27 2012 07:07 Shady Sands wrote:On August 27 2012 06:45 Djagulingu wrote: Lvdr lynch will give a big time info to us. If he flips scum, we're good. If he is townie, then we have all the reasons to suspect Chezinu. Please explain. If lvdr were to flip town then chezinu must be scum? But why? .......and what would happen if chezinu were to flip town as well? Your just making us vote town for scum. This is a pure scum play. Eliminating town after town. The lynch is between lvdr and talis, no-one else is going to get the votes.so whoever is on other wagons should reconsider asap. Or if they think both are town, say so now Also marv needs to explain this, why only consider these two? and you werent even here for the rest of the night, so even if we were to give you an explaination it would have been null. The 'reconsideration' wasn't even valid and was just written to display a town feel to the post. Like I said, all Chezinu has done for 2 days of game time is to join bandwagons while not making cases and participating discussions, which is also scum play. Day 1: He joins obvious bandwagon first, then unvotes, then joins back in. Day 2: I start by voting Lvdr, he follows after me; after I call him out and start getting bandwagoned, he joins my bandwagon. He at the very least has to provide reasons why he bandwagoned onto the people who he bandwagoned. Lvdr flipping town thus would 100% guarantee Chezinu being a scumbag who bandwagons townies down, Lvdr flipping scum would create confusions about him (whether he's a townie or a scum bussing Lvdr). In both cases, we would guarantee finding a scum by Lvdr lynch on day 2. THAT is my explanation about Chezinu. Lvdr was just my top scum read (or was he?). He was just posting scummy and also voting scummy. But now he's only #4 in my list though. Talis, iamperfection and Chezinu are above him. Why are you agreeing with Talis and iamperfection being more scummy than Chez now? What makes you think so? I put them in no particular order. I just think that this is the scum team. My best lynch candidate is Chezinu though, especially after seeing him bandwagon every single lynch candidate. On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote: So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? It is not impossible for town Chezinu to misvote, I voted for Lvdr too, risking a misvote, but I had a plan with it. Either Chezinu is a sheep and doesn't have any plans whatsoever or he was bandwagoning Lvdr intentionally. The way he bandwagoned the town Obv and town me also supports my claims of Chezinu being a scumbag. The trap part wasn't intentional though, I accidentally trapped him and guess what. It is working. It is working damn so well. It pulled 3 in the price of 1. You, Chezinu and Talismania. All people who are not named iamperfection, Chezinu or Talismania; just look at the bandwagoning patterns of these guys. See how they bandwagoned into Obvious, see how some tried to bandwagon into Lvdr, see how they tried to bandwagon into me. Bluelightz dude, you're the MVP of this game, for last minute lynching Obvious. This post doesn't make sense. It's a WIFOM mindbomb. Dissecting, hold on. WIFOM Mindbomb? Well, I can agree with the mindbomb part but it is hardly wifom. Let me clear the process for you:
1- I was really thinking that Lvdr is a scumbag 2- I voted for him 3- I saw Chezinu voting for him, he had no reasons unlike me. Horrible or not, at least I had my reasons. 4- I looked at Chezinu's voting history. 5- I saw that Chezinu bandwagoned for Obvious as well, with no reason on him either. 6- I posted that thing, which got me bandwagoned and almost lynched. 7- I saw Chezinu bandwagoning on me too, again with no reason.
Up until step 3, I was just trying to get a scumbag lynched. In step 3, I saw the opportunity. Up until step 6, my plan was the following:
1- OK, let's lynch Lovedoc. If he flips scum, we got one. 2- If he flips town, people who bandwagoned for Obvious and Lovedoc are scumbags.
At the step 6 though, a slight change in the plans happened, VERY accidentally. 2nd voting evidence was now ME instead of Lovedoc and we had a NL instead of a Lvdr lynch. But at the end of step 7, I now have 3 voting evidences instead of 2, thanks to Chezinu bandwagoning both me AND Lvdr.
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On August 28 2012 01:03 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 00:59 Djagulingu wrote:On August 28 2012 00:57 iamperfection wrote:On August 28 2012 00:49 marvellosity wrote:On August 28 2012 00:44 iamperfection wrote: So you didnt see Djagulingu post from your phone? it didnt strike you as odd at all? both kvill and shady asked for explanation just before you posted your comment.
In fact you havent commented on Djagulingu comment at all what do you think of it? All you said was that its a possible slip what is it in your view? Djagalang's explanation is here on this page, if you care to read it. My view is that a bunch of inexperienced townies leapt on a comment that wasn't a scumslip and started a bizarre wagon based off of it. Did the comment need explaining? Yes. Did the comment merit a bandwagon with hardly any time left in the day? Certainly not. So are you buying his explanation? Buying or not buying, he's explaining his reasons. Why don't you try and explain your reasons why you're buying/not buying my explanation? Why do you find it necessary to make a trap? Is it impossible for a (town) chezinu to vote for a (town) Lvdr? Checking if the guys are defending each other or not is another one of them scumtells me thinks.
On August 23 2012 05:49 Chezinu wrote: Greetings town,
Not Chezinu is back. When I was reading the thread I noticed a lack of accusations and name calling, except that provided by VE. Good work! We need to scare the mafia and make them think we are serious about lynching them and their teammates. We have to act quickly and turn mafia into a panic so that they out of desperation attempt to save their fellow mafia neglecting all long term goals by exposing themselves. I have develop techniques with my persona Chezinu to do this. Day 1 I troll for the first 24 hours goofing around and getting everyone's guard down. I play dumb and act scummy.. so scummy that scum thinks I'm an easy target and try to lynch me. Then the vets notice that it is my usual fishing methods and defend me while attacking the first one who accuses me. It is normal a mafia member who never played a game with me. However, I couldn't troll and act scummy this game because I am playing the sane game. I couldn't call obvious an obvious scum not shady a shady scum. So, I had to devise a new method to catch scum. If you don't gather reactions within the game your playing, you have to rely on others to do it for you. Or you will have to go research people's meta in past games which can be a real pain. I have decided not to do the latter. But I did not want to heavily rely on other people to get mafia to panic. So, I have come up with a plan that I cannot disclose at this time. Fear me mafia, for I have won.
PS: What are your methods to find scum? Despite claiming that Chezinu is a scumbag, this was somewhere in my mind. After calling Chezinu out, I got asked for explanations, I got bandwagoned, almost got lynched, but nobody tried to refute my case. Especially this poorly.
The last of my hesitations on Chezinu and iamperfection are gone. I now think that they are scumbags. For good.
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