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Djagulingu, you're right and perhaps I should have cast my vote earlier in the game. I did, however, want to give the people who hadn't participated much a chance to show their initial scumminess before casting my first vote.
The first thing I want to bring up right now is BL (and others') suspicions of me for not voting Palmar based on being convinced that he truly intended to push for random lynch. Being my first game with Palmar, I wasn't certain that he was indeed serious about his claim there. My response to this line of inquiry about me was to, as VE put it, put the ball in Palmar's court to find out why exactly it was he proposed and endorsed a random lynch.
On August 22 2012 08:44 Obvious.660 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 22 2012 08:27 talismania wrote:
I swear I don't remember it from pick your power redux though. He feels it's strong? Or does he do it as a dumb trap or something, which is how I initially read it. That's a mystery you'll have to take up with Palmar. He does it as a reaction to the game starting generally, and his purpose varies with game. Suffice to say he'll go through with it if we decide to do it, but no town ever has ever. I think, anyway. Using this context regarding Palmar, what justification do you have for asking for me to vote for him if the only basis for his alignment is coming from a null tell considering he does this nearly every game. I'd prefer to hear it from him what his motive was exactly in proposing and endorsing a random lynch. If he isn't forthcoming about it today then I'll start with the voting. I never did get a satisfactory response from Palmar about this. Palmar, would you be so kind as to share why you have once again pushed for a random lynch?
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On August 23 2012 01:28 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:20 Obvious.660 wrote:Djagulingu, you're right and perhaps I should have cast my vote earlier in the game. I did, however, want to give the people who hadn't participated much a chance to show their initial scumminess before casting my first vote. The first thing I want to bring up right now is BL (and others') suspicions of me for not voting Palmar based on being convinced that he truly intended to push for random lynch. Being my first game with Palmar, I wasn't certain that he was indeed serious about his claim there. My response to this line of inquiry about me was to, as VE put it, put the ball in Palmar's court to find out why exactly it was he proposed and endorsed a random lynch. On August 22 2012 08:44 Obvious.660 wrote:On August 22 2012 08:31 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 22 2012 08:27 talismania wrote:
I swear I don't remember it from pick your power redux though. He feels it's strong? Or does he do it as a dumb trap or something, which is how I initially read it. That's a mystery you'll have to take up with Palmar. He does it as a reaction to the game starting generally, and his purpose varies with game. Suffice to say he'll go through with it if we decide to do it, but no town ever has ever. I think, anyway. Using this context regarding Palmar, what justification do you have for asking for me to vote for him if the only basis for his alignment is coming from a null tell considering he does this nearly every game. I'd prefer to hear it from him what his motive was exactly in proposing and endorsing a random lynch. If he isn't forthcoming about it today then I'll start with the voting. I never did get a satisfactory response from Palmar about this. Palmar, would you be so kind as to share why you have once again pushed for a random lynch? KVille is pretty scummy-looking right now. Could you give a clear read yourself on him, one way or another, instead of simply questioning him and moving on?
Coffee brewing. Then your request will be fulfilled.
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Alllllrightythen.
I'll take a look at Kville, who apparently came into the thread to push some suspicion away from himself and cast wild accusations at others. Then to disappear. So that's cool I guess.
So his preliminary, opening "case" that is his list of people have "sketchy posts":
On August 23 2012 01:02 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 23:47 marvellosity wrote:Fairly happy with where my vote stands at the moment, given Kville's responses having come into the game (he decided to ignore my question, too). Bluelightz, you can't come into this game all eager because of the playerlist and then go "he's suspicious, but now he's not" and disappear again. Step it up. Shady I don't like because of how he twisted Obvious' post. But he's active and I'm wary of mislynching him because he has a tendency for some foot-in-mouth action. I'm quite suspicious of talis; a lot of his posts have this... touchy-feely-careful feel to them. " Actually to be completely honest", "this suggestion felt to me", "which is how I initially read it", and On August 22 2012 08:51 talismania wrote:
Actually, VE do you really want to push palmar? I may be reading things completely wrong but I get the impression you're just using him as a tool to poke newbies with (no offense, newbies). The question of what i thought of talis and obvious? Well i can't say much about talis but his posts do seem a little sketchy aslways as obvious. My top three suspects seem to be : talis obvious shady I'll post more about these three later when i get home from my classes. Until then ##Unvote Followed up by adding Marv who has has already cast suspicion on AND voted for, after being called out for forgetting to add him to the list.
On August 23 2012 01:13 Kville wrote:
I knew that was going to a response Shady. Marv is still a suspect,but i as i have been reading through the way you reply and switch through you on top as well as the other two i have on my list. I unvoted becuase it seems pointless to even have one at this moment until more intel is gathered.
shady
talis
obvious
marv
Does that fit your taste? So there's no evidence exactly what those sketchy posts were, outside of the train of votes for Kville and somehow the interactions between those players being evidence of a scum team?On August 22 2012 21:30 Kville wrote:
No need to be so irrational. How does it not make sense? I just claimed that you(marvellosity) and jang may perhaps be associates of somekind just based on how you "randomly" voted for someone becuase of inactivity with no leads on the first day. What isn't there to make sense about?
btw- Was at work and just got a new phone so I was setting up, plus full time student(no web blocks=sweetness ^.^). This post above is making mountains from molehills. Implying connections this early in a mini game, where people working together (scums, masons) are likely to be far more careful of being linked by meta-factors such as post timing, is rather silly. It's a good bit of evidence to bring up when looking at other such coincidences and making further reads, but until those situations present themselves I just don't see any justification for making the call that it's linking them as scum partners.
I think I like this one the most, though:On August 23 2012 01:32 Kville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 01:30 Shady Sands wrote:On August 23 2012 01:20 Kville wrote:On August 23 2012 01:08 Shady Sands wrote:
That's strange. Shouldn't the town response be to build a solid case on someone instead of posting rainchecked analysis? You are correct. There should be a solid case, which is where my mistake was given such little time given at this moment i cannot post one right now which is why I provided much little information about what i gathered about my suspects Which is the sole reason why I withdrew my vote. Does not mean he is off my radar, So basically you're pretending to agree with me to make me think we are on the same page even though you logically claim to be on the opposite side from me. AKA appeasing me and sweeping it under the rug, just like you did with Marv. No your still a scum and i plan to prove it. Marv has earned his FOS and Vote for what I see as OMGUS reasons, and Kville is now certain that he has found a second scum in Shady Sands. Oooookay. Next we're going to hear how if X flips Red then Y must be Red? Kville's entire train of though needs to be explained.
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On August 23 2012 05:18 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2012 05:13 Kville wrote:
Ok sorry,
Reason im not scum in order by my filter
-I was thrown under bus becuase i was supposed lurker
-Tried to counter the vote and suspected marv based on his recent one liners and random lynch on me
-All i tired to do was end the accusations on me
-Turned heads towards shady based on filters between VE and shady even more so since the recent ones came out.
-obvious filters seem out of ordinary as well same as marvs
Im not a scum just quick reaction responses becuase of the scenario and place i was at (school).
If anything im liking VEs choice and the way he is basing his decisions.
You guys are making it hard to think objectively. VE you made me laugh out loud.
In related news, that's pretty ironic. I remember doing that once. My first game here actually, Newbie 21. From the post count, this is Kville's first game too unless he's a smurf. How much newbie credit do we want to extend here, if any? If the answer is zero, I'll probably seal the deal on Kville with my vote. Palmar still hasn't given me any reason to second guess myself either, so if it's not Kville, it's going to be Palmar.
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##VOTE: Palmar
Still not sure if this one is the serious about his random lynch. Talky please.
##FOS: Kville for being too much like YourHarry. In fact, anyone who exhibits YourHarry-isms will be policy lynched, shot, and lynched again.
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On August 23 2012 14:00 Bluelightz wrote:Would you care to explain YourHarry-ism  ? Symptoms may include:
- Witholding information
- Basing conclusions entirely on innocent player interactions
- Making inordinate quantities of posts that could be consolidated into fewer, and far more coherent posts
- NEWLY ADDED!: Talking about lemmings
Also interesting is that he can spell Marvellosity properly but screwed up Sandy Shades. I mean Shady Sands.
+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 21:42 Kville wrote:
Lemmings will be lemmings and you just happend to be the one in front.
What i gathered is that you claim to 'sheep' and yet you yourself have done nothing else but provide one liners and start nothing but chaos.
If it makes you feel any better
#Vote marvellosity On August 22 2012 22:18 Kville wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 22 2012 22:01 Palmar wrote:
Kville it's not an unreasonable thing to do by marv to cast his vote on you, when at the time you had simply not posted in the thread.
While it doesn't absolve marv of being mafia, that vote says absolutely nothing about Marv's alignment, and you seem to have decided not to dig any further into his play in the game. In fact, any reasonable townie would realize that there's nothing about "being first" that increases marv's chances of being scum.
Why did you only consider him? You're not dumb enough to think the mafia team would decide to all vote randomly like that, are you? Why did you not even mention the other people going after you? Of course no team mobs will ever vote together, but one does need to set fire to the match. Sandy Shades wasn't in my window until I posted which is why i never mentioned him although i will be looking into him and jing will give intent and info. about his reasoning, doesn't mean he is off the list but its better than just shooting in the dark.
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EBWOP: Oops, forgot one for the list: over-analyzing coincidences.
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##Unvote
##Vote: Obvious.660
I'm not afraid to die.
Yes, I am bad town. I'm not making excuses for it, I'm just working around like you would work around a broken leg. By doing stuff the best you can.
Palmar, your response would have been enough if it had occurred the first half of D1, you know, when I asked for it. You avoiding answering it then and there, as simple as the answer was, would have gone a long to my concern against you. Vote was a pressure vote since you weren't forthcoming on your own.
Now you're engineering my mislynch? There were hints dropped throughout the day that I've been acting suspicious (that I disagree with, but again, consider the source). So here's my plan. I'm going to vote for me. You get two more votes for me in VE and yourself, Palmar. 4 to go. I imagine if neither of you two are scum you will be looking closely at those 4 additional votes so consider this me doing you a favor as my entrusted neighbors.
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On August 24 2012 02:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's supremely unhelpful Obvious, but I guess you know that.
I really prefer an Lvdr lynch. Remove your vote from yourself and put your vote there.
##Unvote
##Vote: Lvdr
I'm willing to consolidate onto Obvious, but I prefer an Lvdr lynch today.
I'll tell you what. I'll look at him myself an decide if he's more scummy than I look and only then will I switch my vote to him, we good?
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LoveDoctor
So far we're more similar in our views up to the point I flipped back from reading. He's trying to understand Shady Sands' play and stating opposition to a random lynch. Just a heads up for you who have not played together with Shady, Shady's town play is more typically characterized as JingleHell-esque -- biting in HARD and not letting go without good reason or better targets -- something which has not been matched here and thus I've intended to keep an eye on Shady for not matching it to decide if he's doing it more out of fear of being in the spotlight in a normal game or if he's scum trying not to rock the boat here too much.
Still thinking alike up to this point:On August 23 2012 05:51 Lvdr wrote:
Regarding Shady, I have a null/town read on him based on his interactions (tunneling) with kville. I don't think he would be a good lynch target for d1because if he is scum we can smoke him out later based on his activity. Town Shady I knew would have been pushing harder on Kville but, as I saw in the thread Marv dissuaded him from pursuing Kville during his absence. Sup with that Marv, you are certainly aware of Shady's town meta. You protecting town or scum with this?
After this, LordVader is dismissive of Shady Sands' play as misguided town and moves to the ever-vocal VE.
Oh look, LactoseVolkswagon has you possibly pegged:On August 23 2012 07:30 Lvdr wrote:
EBWOP: Otherwise VE is just trying to bandwagon a bad townie. Is your voting for him OMGUS or are you legitimately concerned about the new guy being able to read you?
This guy is town to me. My vote stays on myself.
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On August 24 2012 03:06 Palmar wrote:
on the phone so ill be brief
i hate that shit with a passion obvious, no matter your alignment, voting yourself is playing against your win condition.
fuck this shit.
rethinking, will post later
I don't care what you hate.
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I remember thinking about BL last night before sleep, thanks for reminding me. Taking a look.
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Yeah BL's original case on you was garbage, and coupled with: 4.Why is when I got into the game a factor in me being scum?(Hint: explain), It's not like I should always post when I'm not ready. Not sure what this even means. Unless it means he lurked intentionally to gauge the thread and to have a target in mind (me) to strike to appear active and involved. Keyword: appearance. His play since then has been, as Marv has put it, uninvolved.
##UNVOTE
##VOTE: Bluelightz
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On August 24 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yeah I disagree on Bluelightz.
##Unvote
##Vote marvellosity
You make a compelling 'argument' there
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On August 24 2012 08:53 Palmar wrote:
Because I don't think
Palm/BL/VE scum team. You heard it here first, folks.
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Just got Internet access. Gj on your engineered mislynch on the easy one. Obvious scum, my ass.
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On August 24 2012 10:56 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:56 Obvious.660 wrote:
Just got Internet access. Gj on your engineered mislynch on the easy one. Obvious scum, my ass. SURPRISE!!!
This guy is way too excited about voting town.
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Hogan is back on TNA btw, good show.
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GL please remember ObviousScum always rolls town.
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