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I sincerely hope you are only doing that to generate discussion. Otherwise, your stretch is incredibly suspicious. | ||
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On August 20 2012 10:44 Drazerk wrote: Theres no real way for me to stop looking like scum with my play style and its why you will need to kill me (I said kill not lynch) before Lylo other whys ill make an awful call at a critical situation and lose town the game or you will all suspect me and lose town the game. is this supposed to be a cop out for you? Like, a disclaimer that you're just going to be awful for the rest of the game? Why don't you just...I dunno, play better? | ||
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On August 20 2012 13:51 Chezinu wrote: Your right... Look what I discovered: They joined the game at the exact same time. The must be hey! you joined at the same time as us! That means you're scum with us! KILL CHEZINU | ||
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On August 20 2012 10:17 Drazerk wrote: I'm with wiggles there are super powers out there that prey on certain information being known (Steamship 4 shot sniper comes to mind) So the following - No pokemon names No Type No role information No claiming medic to save scum Anyone who does this will probably just be shot down or turned green On August 20 2012 21:30 Drazerk wrote: Also to go one step further I'm a bug type so fire / flying / rock types - Bring it Herp derp? I don't know if anyone else noticed this (I have to reread some of what I missed) but I saw this and figured it has to be pointed out. Unfortunately it's Drazerk, so to be completely honest my read of Drazerk doesn't change here. | ||
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I don't like imallinson and I would be fine with lynching him today. If you all would kindly take a glance at his posts, in most of them he fails to take a strong opinion and defers his own stances to the opinions of others. For example: On August 21 2012 09:18 imallinson wrote: I guess what need weighing up with regards to a Grush lynch is would lynching anyone else give us more info? On August 21 2012 09:00 imallinson wrote: It feels kind of wrong lynching someone who can't defend himself. I've never played a game with him before, is he normally this spammy and terrible in his posting? The only real thing he's contributed is that he thinks people aren't thinking "outside of the box" enough with respect to roles (about the multiple power thing). However, that has nothing to do with finding scum and he himself admits its pretty much not of any help: On August 21 2012 08:20 imallinson wrote: It doesn't really, I'm just pointing out a big missing piece in all the role talk so far. Honestly I don't think role talk day 1 will be helpful in this set up. But is that point now? So if it's not going to be helpful why is he spending his time pointing that out instead of trying to find scum? In addition, note his vague language, his meek attitude, and his overall "hide and say a few noncontroversial things and hope no one notices me" style. All of these things are great ways for scum to blend in. ##vote imallinson | ||
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My vote on him was calculated. Notice that I voted him immediately after he posted. This was 100% intentional by me. Guess what happened? He disappeared right afterward. If he, at the very least, had responded or said something following the flurry of votes on him, I might have been inclined to think he was a bad townie getting wagoned (and thus his flailing would've caused the subsequent votes.) However, he completely disappeared, which indicates to me that he's trying to lose heat. In addition, we have other people who come into the thread (e.g. VE) trying to derail from allinson. Obviously this in itself isn't a huge tell on VE unless allinson actually flips, but it's interesting because VE so far has done nothing else of significance. His change of vote to Drazerk seems to be calculated toward lowering his own level of suspicion. I'm fine with killing either VE or allinson today. I would rather kill allinson though, that's my stronger read of the two. | ||
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I'll be posting some thoughts before deadline. | ||
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On August 23 2012 05:32 Mr. Wiggles wrote: These are my observations. Town had absolutely no direction on Day 1, and no strong town leaders emerged. This shows that scum weren't trying hard to seize thread control, and that scum were content with the way things were going. They didn't feel like they had to have any of their players act very pro-active and try to misdirect the town overtly. Meaning, that scum didn't feel threatened So what does it mean that scum didn't feel threatened? It means that they didn't feel like they were in any danger of actually being killed/lynched. So, this tells us that either both major candidates were town, or that if Dirk is scum, mafia didn't think he would die. That's pretty obvious though, as those are the only two possibilities, so here's my interpretation of the situation. There wasn't really any concrete push to kill imallinson as compared to Dirk. A lot of the people voting for them were saying they were fine with either dying, and there weren't really any large arguments comparing the merits of killing Dirk vs. imallinson. Both of the lynch trains developed in a way that was insular from the other. This means that who got lynched more or less would just come down to which wagon sheeping townies decided to hop on. This isn't a good situation for mafia because if they hope for chance it might mean that their own member gets bandwagoned to a point where they can't bring it back, or at least to a point where bringing it back puts them under a lot of suspicion. So in that situation, they would make a case for why lynching the townie was better than lynching their scum buddy to prevent the wagon from going the wrong way. But, no one did that. That implies to me that scum didn't care which person got lynched which further implies that both candidates were town. Further supporting that, is the earlier observation that we didn't really get anything done on Day 1, no strong leaders emerged, and no direction was given. Scum are doing good just by having that happen, and it looks like they didn't feel the need to do anything else, because everything was going their way in terms of the bandwagons. They didn't have to fight for their buddy, because he wasn't up for the lynch. In my opinion, at least one of the wagons was started by scum (BC/WBG). As well, I find it likely that the scum team split their vote between the two candidates for the most part in order to help prevent people from pointing out one of the lynches as a scum bandwagon, as well as to set themselves up as opposing each other to stop associative tells. Right now I'm just waiting for the night to end, because kills and vig shots should hopefully clear the air a little and make things more transparent. I agree with most of this. Based on how the wagons went I don't think Dirkzor is scum. I unfortunately was not available to reverse-snowball the allinson lynch. From the looks of it I should've known he was town when so many people jumped on at once. I do disagree, however, with your assumption that one of the wagons was started by scum. #1, I'm town and that leaves BC (and I don't think he is scum ATM either). The fact that you casually push this is really disconcerting, though. You did nothing to stop either wagon and now you're seemingly trying to push blame and culpability based on weak and faulty assumptions onto myself + BC. If you legitimately thought one of us was scum then I'd expect you to actually come forth with reasons but you have simply seeded doubt. ___________________________________ I'm okay with Mattchew dying as he seems particularly lazy this game. From what I recall he doesn't like playing scum (and this was something he stressed in my games) so I think the case on him does have merit from a meta standpoint. I'm unsure what to think of Wiggles based on his last post since he seems to be making summaries that make sense, but making accusations that don't. If I die he should be watched carefully. Also if I die, newer players take note: Toad, BC, VE, bum, Kita, and Zephirdd are all also good targets to watch for in coming days as they are all capable as scum and are all harder to pin early. I would argue that if any of them seem "off their game" then they're probably scum. In particular I would rate Kita as the best scumhunter in this game, so if he's alive and somehow not dangerous to scum then he should be lynched immediately. So far he's done very little so it is certainly possible we may be going in thatdirection. | ||
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Problem? No? Cool. ##vote Mattchew | ||
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On August 23 2012 12:22 Mattchew wrote: I think that I am a bad lynch for many reasons. one would be that dirkzor is still alive, and if he posted any more hesitantly and nervously he wouldn't post at all. He is playing to not get caught, not to catch scum. you know, when he insta-accuses VE cause he was accused for good reason? or when he tells BC he's doesn't think BC is scum, so BC shouldn't be accusing him. or even how he enters the thread the second would be that wiggles is still alive, and he has posted mostly about setup and how the 2 lynch candidates came about (he doesn't even give an opinion to dirk's alignment). the third is that I am town and would be a bad lynch cool story scumbro. You can't read. There are lots of good reasons not to lynch dirkzor. First and foremost, there's no opposition to his lynch. However there are plenty of reasons TO lynch you. The best one? You're lazy as hell as scum. This game, you've played as lazy as you were the last time I saw you play scum in a game I hosted. | ||
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On August 23 2012 13:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I have actually seen opposition to a dirkzor lynch. Just not the typical people defending him. It is the "we should lynch someone else, lets bury this case, etc..." Seriously unless hes brought up by one of threeish people now, hes ignored. The fact that he can not even post to defend himself and be clear from being lynched and escaping notice given his horrible actions is an indication. Do I think mattchew looks horrible? Yes, however I think wiggles looks horrible to. I honestly think the biggest reason to not lynch dirk is there are a ton of other people looking horrible as well and if wiggles is red he is a far better lynch then someone with less influence. I don't really see any other solid reasons to avoid lynching him however. you're right, there's been indirect support for Dirkzor. I just mean that in light of the wagon yesterday either it means scum are completely fine with killing scum Dirkzor (I find that hard to believe d1) or they're completely fine with splitting the wagon among two townies (I find this explanation more likely). When scum are lazy d1 it usually means they're not under pressure. I don't think scum had very much influence in terms of the lynch yesterday, because the wagons were most likely started by townies on townies. Allinson was started by me, for example. | ||
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On August 23 2012 16:22 Kurumi wrote: Well, we have clash of titans here. Both suck. funniest post in the thread BC's reaction is indeed rather suspicious. I'm going to hold judgment for now as I need to reread carefully (in particular BC's past games as well) because A.) I think Mattchew is still a very strong lynch and B.) I'm supremely curious as to why BC is using my name to defend his opinions when I haven't actually agreed with him yet. On August 23 2012 18:20 VisceraEyes wrote: But it won't be - Bugs is alive to say "no guy, I think Wiggles is town (as my post indicates), LTR" That's my point - it won't be Bugs' fault at all. I think Wiggles is trying to say that BC is trying to frame my post as an attack on Wiggles. I wasn't attacking Wiggles, but for it to be construed as such means either BC isn't reading carefully (as town) or BC has an agenda. BC's not dumb so it's certainly very likely at this point that he's scum. | ||
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I don't have much time since I'm posting this while in class but I'll be back later. I just wanted to make that clear since I saw BC flip and people vote Wiggles (although it should be apparent by some of the players attacking Wiggles that the idea he is scum is pretty untenable) | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:11 Mattchew wrote: wiggles i shot you cause i thought you had a lesser chance of being lynched day 2 this is the worst reasoning any townie can possibly ever give for shooting someone. As town you shoot your #1 scumread, as scum you shoot whoever the fuck you want and make up reasons later. This reeks of made-up reason. I don't think mattchew is ballsy or smart enough as scum to lie about his role (not to mention there's not much reason for him to lie here when the possibility of a rolecop in a game full of roles is pretty likely) so this is definitely a scumclaim. | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:42 Mattchew wrote: i thought it was .5 added if you are deemed effective/super-effective. I didn't breadcrumb or call it cause thats dumb when there is flavor with the deaths (something i asked ahead of time) and I have more than 1 shot and there could be roles that like detective our roles or announce them to the thread (aka make me a sweet mafia target) is there anything else you want explained or does this cover "all this shit" Cool story bro. You have my permission to die now. | ||
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Wiggles is a pokemon type that takes half damage from electric types. | ||
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nah I missed it, saw it now. k so mattchew probably killed Toad inadvertently...rofl. | ||
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He's still the best lynch for today IMO. His reasoning for shooting Wiggles doesn't make sense from a town perspective at all. Why would you ever shoot someone who is not your #1 scumread? | ||
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On August 24 2012 10:58 Mattchew wrote: but i didnt claim to shoot toad. I didn't shoot dirkzor cause I was even on wiggles and dirk for being scum and dirk was being pushed more actively in the thread for a lynch, which means in my mind the end result was both dead by the end of n2. I didn't know I was shooting with a full kp and upon retrospect, this may be pretty stupid, although I still don't know if this is true. because, I dunno, you wouldn't have the foresight as a townie with a goddamn KP power to ask the host if your type affects it? Or, maybe read the OP? Wtf? I don't believe this one bit. How can you get a role PM that tells you that you're an electric type pokemon, with the OP telling you that electric types get +0.5KP, then come back and appear this ignorant? This has to be a fucking scumclaim. | ||
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On reread if I assume Mattchew is bad then he can be town. So, from now on Mattchew is in my "bad town" list until he can prove himself otherwise. Sucks to be you, bro. Also Kenpachi you have no opinion on Misder/hopeless? Do you think either are good choices for lynch? Why Wiggles still? | ||
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