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Custos Luna
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I will not be banned in the first game Bluelightz is hosting. | ||
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On August 06 2012 07:11 Mordanis wrote: Does one have to have played DF to play in this? If you banned people for that, that would probably be my only danger of being banned. That last sentence came out surprisingly non-sensical... Edit: Assuming that no prior knowledge of DF is needed /in, and I will not be modkilled, nor banned, nor burned at the stake, nor sexually harrased, nor shot, nor stabbed, nor force-fed Scottish food in punishment during the first game that the good Bluelightz is hosting. I reserve the right to take the listed punishments during Bluelightz' second hosted game until further notice. There's no possible way you can promise that. | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 06 2012 21:15 marvellosity wrote: the playerlist scares me a little! as it should muahahahaha | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 06 2012 22:06 HiroPro wrote: Dat smurf smurf? wat's a smurf? | ||
Custos Luna
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Had to walk uphill both ways 7 miles in the snow barefoot! | ||
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On August 07 2012 03:57 HiroPro wrote: Nah, he's actually just a huge lurker. If he makes more than 1 post this game, we lynch him. Npnp, I find scum in that one post. | ||
Custos Luna
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Try again. + Show Spoiler + Hint: My sig is a clue to my identity. Oh, but you must be clever to know. | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 08 2012 00:39 sciberbia wrote: Hello everyone! Top of the morning to ya :D First thing's first: I can truthfully report that I have rolled Dwarf, ... Thoughts on roleclaims: Vanilla Townies Please do not roleclaim without a very good reason. | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 08 2012 04:26 Mordanis wrote: CVSTO LVNA PRO SVVS ABVTOR GENITIVI PROVOCO ET AVT NOMEN SVVS MVTAVERIT AVT DABO SENSVS MEVS EI + Show Spoiler [Translation] + For his abuse of the genitive I am calling out Custo Luna, and he must either change his name or I will vote for him.+ Show Spoiler + Not really, this was just a fun may to make my 4 years of latin worthwhile, and for anyone who's taken latin: Come on, Luna is a first declension noun. Easiest one to learn, and CL has it wrong in his name (Unless his name is just supposed to be two unrelated nouns, like JingleHell, VisceraEyes, and if you allow one word to be an adjective, BlazingHand, BloodyCobbler, etc, etc, etc.). This is therefore a joke. Funnily enough, the first person I'd like to ask a question is Mr. CL himself. In a way, Sciberbia's post telling people not to claim VT doesn't make any sense, especially when he comes out and says that he's a dwarf. On the other hand though, I don't see why you called out that illogical passage. Are you implying that bad logic is scummy? Or are you just poking fun at him? I took 6 years of Latin, but it's been 5 years since I took my last class D= you should petition the mods to change it for me Mostly just poking for now, I'm at work and reading when I can, so I'm making note of things I see. To everyone: stop discussing the possibilities of a D1 double lynch when you have 0 candidates. There is no point to posit the idea of killing 2 when there isn't even 1 on the table. | ||
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shiaopi triggers my scumdar. prplhz raised an eyebrow, but i keep looking night - gotta go protect the moon | ||
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Also: Last night when I said ShiaoPi was triggering my scumdar, I meant Scib. Combination of tired brain + new names for me. This was just preliminary thinking before sleep. All opinions subject to change. A couple things I can quickly address: On August 08 2012 17:48 Forumite wrote: Hey, Custos Luna! You are supposed to be a well-known Veteran, what are your reads on the game so far, apart from weak suspicion on prplhz and ShiaoPi? So far, most reads are weak, and there doesn't seem to be much commital aside from a few players. That said: I agree with Shiao's case on Mordanis. The biggest one that stands out is his last post On August 08 2012 05:23 Mordanis wrote: Right, and so saying that you shouldn't claim VT when you make a statement that's only purpose is to make yourself be perceived as VT seems illogical to me. Enough on that subject though ^^ Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Or it could be something completely different, or even some amazing, irrefutable meta-read that paints Shiao as scum already. I don't see how that could be possible, but without further information, it's sort of a null read on Forumite for now. I think Forumite does deserve some extra attention, as I'm always kind of wary of people who are scheming. Of all the players here, Mord is the most non-commital of them all. It's not even wishy-washy, it's just flat out grey space. He seems shocked that Forumite would create an accusation so early, but doesn't really do anything with it. So here is the moon's demand, mord: Take a stand. Faith or heresy. Ignorance or truth. The moon does not like goblins. ##vote Mordanis | ||
Custos Luna
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Where you at bro. You've made 2 posts and said absolutely nothing. Vaguely shedding suspicion on Forumite with questions, but not actually doing anything. Whatcha feelin mang? | ||
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On August 09 2012 00:31 marvellosity wrote: Final post for now. People who don't care about town: prplhz. For your convenience, his posts so far: Posting to say he isn't reading, and casting doubt with seemingly no purpose. This is seriously pants. I'd be happier to vote for him if I hadn't seen him do similar as town before. Custos Moony This dude is worse. DoYouHas talked about him a little yesterday, and I agree with what he said. To expand: This goes back to part of Shiao's case on Mordanis, where Mordanis tied himself up in knots a bit about it. However, I see the root cause of that particular problem as Luna's post here (of course sciberbia was the originator, but Luna is the one to highlight it). The problem I have with this post is that it's highlighting something without providing your own commentary on it. As DYH said, it's highlighting a contradiction that wasn't even really a contradiction. What it *is* doing is planting an idea into town, an idea that can't be fruitful, and then letting town shit itself up with it. I see strong scum motive in this. Again as DYH points out, everyone wasn't talking about a D1 double lynch at all. It was mentioned offhandedly as a bad idea a couple of times, but never seriously proposed in any way. In an empty filter, it's empty filler devoid of content for the sake of saying something. Further to note - he's at work and reading where he can, and just "poking". Excuse for not being substantial. Just pointless. If it was sandwiched between content, fine, but it isn't. The fact of the matter is that Custos was around the thread at at least three points yesterday (just check the timestamps of what I quoted) but when he's around he contributes nothing or even causes thread disruption. Second excuse for doing nothing. In short, Custos Luna doesn't give a shit about town. His original quote-post of scib's was unexplained with his own opinion and served to disrupt the thread by making people talk about an irrelevant non-contradiction. He excuses himself for scumhunting. He is currently my favourite lynch target. ##Vote: Custos Luna My friend, I'm sad you think I don't care for town. The moon cares for nothing but the truth. But you are right, my content was...lacking, and I will try to address your points. The logical fallicy I quoted from Scib was based on the first thing I learned playing Mafia many moons ago. A town player will feel no guilt or extra drive to appear as town. A scum player wants to point out that he's town. He wants to establish his innocense so he can fly under the radar. In general, I am against deep policy discussion. It is very easy for scum to hide among that, and people will almost never agree on a blanket statement procedure. This is why I wanted to curb the double lynch discussion as it was a non-value add discussion at the time (especially Day 1, unless something out of the ordinary happens). Now, a question for you. On August 09 2012 00:16 marvellosity wrote: There are some pretty good things about this case. The strongest thing about the whole case is contained within the first section. scib comments thusly: "If Forumite wanted shiaopi to feel a sense of security, why did Forumite voice his suspicions of shiaopi at all? I see no good explanation for why Forumite voiced his suspicions, but would not explain them." Totally valid. There are two contradicting stories. Forumite has repeatedly alluded to creating 'pressure' on ShiaoPi with his early accusation. But there's no pressure in such an empty accusation - see Shiao's repsonse just there. But Forumite replies to him that he's more likely to scumslip if he doesn't think there's any danger. So... why point the finger at him? That 100% makes someone more vigilant. There's a big contradiction in wanting to create pressure and thinking someone will scumslip if there is... no pressure! Further, I agree with scib's point about calling your own cases/confidence bad. There's no town motivation for wanting to have lower credibility with your reads, but it does provide an excuse for bad reads later (e.g. 'accidentally' mislynching a townie at some point). I dislike that Forumite has replied several times in thread but has not in fact addressed sciberbia's case against him. In fact his reply was to *slOosh*, who merely passed a little bit of comment on it, but nothing back at scib. Why? A couple of things on the flip side: I don't particularly agree with the whole vet stuff. At that point it's kinda a lose-lose situation. Foru could have gone the other way and pursued his post 1 read despite fairly influential townies being quite sceptical. In that case he would have been accused of blindly tunnelling with zero support. Like I mentioned a couple of posts ago, I don't know why scum Foru would make himself so noticeable like that when my read of his scumplay was blendy, and scib alludes to this too. Also the fact that Foru poked me about how I picked him up on it - why bring further thread exposure to the whole issue? Why bring me back to the topic? Basically I'm getting conflicting reads from various things. The whole contradiction with pressure vs more likely to scumslip without danger is a big point to me, because it makes him sound like squirmy scum who can't quite explain himself. Against this being a good player drawing attention to himself where unnecessary. People should be discussing scib's case/Forumite today please. You make this nice post discussing Forumite and scib, and then request that everyone focus on these two as the candidates. However, then you make a post (further down on the same page) as a case against me and vote for me, completely contradicting your previous post. Why so flip-floppy? | ||
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On August 09 2012 00:50 marvellosity wrote: you misread: scib's case = Forumite, not scib AND forumite. i.e. I want people to be discussing Forumite (something you have avoided doing three times already on this page) but you were my current strongest read. Clear? Ah, understood. I'm not intentionally avoiding the topic of Forumite, I just don't have much to say about it at this point. I understand the case, and it does have some merit. However, I have been in Forumite's position before as town, so I'm still trying to decide if it was blind aggression to generate discussion (and as a result he has now been forced to backpedal), or just general scum activity. I will be rereading to try and get a better idea/feel. I do wish to hear from Mord/prplhz soon though On August 09 2012 01:57 marvellosity wrote: Are you on drugs? Where did I say that? Scum are openly bad all the time. The just-abandoned XXIII had YourHarry throwing votes around with no explanation and he was scum. Normal Mini Mafia had prplhz throw around votes followed by a terrible cop claim and we all didn't lynch him because we didn't believe scum could be so bad, but he was scum and he was that bad. That's a rather ignorant blanket statement. You have clearly not been utterly destroyed by some of the scum teams on this forum. Also, hindsight is 20/20. It's easy to look back and pluck examples like that, but there are just as many, if not more, examples of townies being bad and throwing votes around. | ||
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On August 09 2012 03:28 sciberbia wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 02:57 DoYouHas wrote: Currently I am basing my reads as much on intuition as on logic. Although scrib makes good points against Forumite I don't find myself convinced. The motive I read behind Forumite's inconsistencies and subsequent posts is an attempt to get things going and then trying to both be transparent and move the thread forward. I completely agree that the way he has handled himself so far has been bad, but both town and scum can play badly. What matters is the motivation behind the actions. I feel like his motivation is more likely to be town than scum at the moment. I agree with CL's opinion of Mord. I see Mord's focus on the VT claim that wasn't really a VT claim and make note of how that whole exchange gained the town exactly zilch and wasted our time. His first and last posts also bother me. His first post only stands out because of the end. He ends his post with a strong statement about how he is going to go scum hunting. What comes of that? 1 Question to CL. Then Mord completely sidetracks to the "VT claim" thing. Then the only other thing we get from him is the very lackluster response to Hiro about Forumite. It reads as very likely to be scum to me. prplhz is looking worse and worse in my eyes because of his lack of quality early and his lurking now. I don't really have anything new to bring against him as he hasn't written anything new. But his silence is condemning, his apparent desire to fly under the radar while everyone is focusing on Shiao/Mord/Forum. He needs to be kept in the spotlight with all our other suspects and he has earned my vote. ##Vote: prplhz This post of DoYouHas makes me suspicious of him. 1) Perhaps I am biased, but I don't like his reasons for soft defending Forumite. I don't know how announcing a read but keeping it to yourself is 'transparent' and 'trying to move the thread forward'. His stance on Forumite seems wishy/washy and I'm not a fan. 2) He says that Mordanis reads as 'very likely scum', but then he votes prplhz for lurking? wtf? If you think somebody is very likely scum, and they already have two votes on them, you as a townie should add your vote, not vote for a lurker to 'keep him in the spotlight'. FoS DoYouHas To be fair, that's pretty much what marvel did with Forumite/me. I'm not sure how suspicious marvel still finds me, but he has at least been very vocal and forthright with his thoughts as opposed to DoYouHas. I will add a point to your thoughts though. Day 1, it is extremely difficult to distinguish scummy play from poor/misinformed town play. In my eyes, it is not the blatantly bad people that need to be as heavily focused on - they will continue to be bad and always be under the microscope. It is the complacent, quiet, and appeasing ones that are worrisome for town because they can slide under the radar and stay there. In DYH's posts, he hasn't really added much at all. In his 3 content posts, he mainly focused on double-lynch discussion, prplhz's 2 useless posts, and really nothing else. There has been very little added from his posts. Nothing really new has been brought up. He's agreeing with arguments without building upon it in an attempt to keep blame off of him. I do agree with DYH in that prpl needs to show up, but DYH also needs to be watched closely. | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 09 2012 04:03 Mordanis wrote: Wow, I picked the anti-timing to sleep -.- I'll do some defense first, because it takes less time, and in a while I'll come back with my reads so far. First things first: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 16:00 slOosh wrote: Hey guys, didn't anticipate the early deadline so yea ... Anyways, any of the blue roles can be used to the "innocent child" effect. Scum are extremely limited in their ability to fakeclaim because it is a blue-wise open setup (we might not know the 2nd blue identity but we can still cc any blue claim instantly). I recommend whoever is blue to consider this and not hastily throw away a potential advantage here by claiming early (mainly tracker but same thing extends to watcher/cop). No go on double lynch. Too exploitable / volatile in a game this small. Hey Mordanis, could you explain this contradiction? If this was an attempt to draw scum out, you have now just alerted them all with the second post, which goes against what you said in the first post. You said you are currently null on Forumite yet it seems like you are leaning a certain direction in your read of him. Moving on, there's ShiaoPi's case on me + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 19:00 ShiaoPi wrote: I just read sciberbia's case on Forumite, while it has merit, I am unsure of him being scum. I can also see the early scumread on me simply as an early attempt to get some discussion/pressure going, he succeeded in that regard for sure. Regarding the logical inconsistencies they are a concern, but for now I would just like to keep an eye on him. @Custos I would really like you to contribute more. All you have done until now is pointing out a rather silly (read almost nonexistent) contradiction in one of sciberbia's posts and voicing some concern regarding me and prphlz. Mind elaborating why? Currently I am having an issue with Mordanis: Take a look at his opening post: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 03:34 Mordanis wrote: I actually disagree that talking policy early on is bad. It is only bad when the policy talk tells scum how to get off free. "We will only lynch active players" tells scum that they can get one or two players to the late-game with as little content to hold against them as possible. On a similar note, it's probably not a good idea to discuss your heuristics for finding scum until you find examples of them in people's play. If you start talking about them right now, unless you list 173 of them, scum probably will actively avoid fitting your heuristic, thus ruining your chance of finding scum. Discussing when/how to use novel mechanics is simply a rational thing to do early in the game, though. Personally, I haven't had too much time to think about when/how to use the double lynch mechanic, but I can say that in my experience it happens fairly often that neither candidate up for lynching D1 is scum, and going from 9 town 3 scum D1 to 6 town 3 scum D2 would be pretty brutal. In short, I am strongly against D1 multi-lynching unless something very convincing happens to change my mind. Aside from that, the only other bit of policy I have to offer is that we should probably wait until night to discuss power roles, NKs, etc. During the day, all that really matters (in the absence of Day-vigis) is town/mafia. Daytime is for hunting scum, not deciding power role strategy. Enough with the policy now, I'm off to find scum. He is against cutting policy talk short and proceeds to do a good amount of it. The next sentence marks Mord as anti-lurker, but then he says that policy-talk should not be done, since it gives scum a pattern to avoid. But then he goes back to say that policytalk is useful based on the ground that there is nothing else to be done. This entire paragraph is extremely redundant and makes me think of him trying to boost the look of his filter by seemingly contributing in a circular logic pattern. His next two posts are hitting Custos, he questions why he quotes that part of scib. + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 04:26 Mordanis wrote: -snip- Funnily enough, the first person I'd like to ask a question is Mr. CL himself. In a way, Sciberbia's post telling people not to claim VT doesn't make any sense, especially when he comes out and says that he's a dwarf. On the other hand though, I don't see why you called out that illogical passage. Are you implying that bad logic is scummy? Or are you just poking fun at him? He is again extremely wishy-washy. Just look at it, first he critisizes scib for claiming alignment (which is pretty much a nulltell in my opinion), but then he also "does not see" how that could be called out. When Hiro says that it is a nulltell and differentiates between alignment claim and VT claim Mord responds like this: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 04:35 Mordanis wrote: He is still implying that he's VT though, or else just asking for scum to kill him. When someone claims town, they are trying to make other people perceive them as VT. Why else would you claim town? Now he suddenly is much more concerned about claiming alignment (which he again links to VT). Flip-flopping at its best. Also on his latest post: + Show Spoiler + On August 08 2012 05:23 Mordanis wrote: Right, and so saying that you shouldn't claim VT when you make a statement that's only purpose is to make yourself be perceived as VT seems illogical to me. Enough on that subject though ^^ Wow, Forumite's accusation came much earlier than I expected. All Shiao had done was come out as anti-policy, and then when pressed came out against lying and lurking. What in that is scummy, I have no idea. I think its clear that Forumite has some type of plan hatching, but until we find out what the plan is, his early accusation is sort of weightless. It could be an attempt to draw scum out or to force townie mistakes in order to mislynch. Or it could be something completely different, or even some amazing, irrefutable meta-read that paints Shiao as scum already. I don't see how that could be possible, but without further information, it's sort of a null read on Forumite for now. I think Forumite does deserve some extra attention, as I'm always kind of wary of people who are scheming. Keep in mind that Forumite had already accused me much earlier than Mord posted. He only gives his opinion on it when Hiro asked him specifialy to do so. Mord sees no reason to suspect me, but hadn't he said that he also dislikes cutting policy short? Shouldn't he agree with Forumite's accusation based on that? Furthermore examine the rest of the post after the part I bolded. It is actually pure fluff. I feel that Mord has a higher chance of flipping scum than Forumite does, so ##vote: Mordanis About my questions to CL, I honestly don't see any wishy-washiness. I said that it didn't make sense to claim town and tell VTs not to claim VT in the same post, but that it doesn't seem particularly scummy. I don't really see any reason for scum to do this. Later I said that if you are claiming town you are really claiming VT because it makes sense. If you claim town, you are saying that you're either green or blue. If you claim a blue role at this point, you're either really bad or scum. It makes much more sense to interpret someone claiming town as claiming VT. This does not contradict what I said earlier. Going further, there is no analysis of why potential wishy-washiness would be alignment indicative. Finally, Shiao mentions that he thinks that I should have voted for him because I didn't agree with him that policy talking is unnecessary or unimportant or even scummy. I don't see how Shiao can criticize my logic when a large part of his reason for voting for me is based on how I did not vote arbitrarily for someone because I didn't agree with them. BRB, I'm going to go get some lunch, and then I'll do some scum-hunting. Townies are NOT as capable of making plans as scum. You're talking out of your ass now. Scum have a private means with which to make plans with people they all know are with each other. Town is limited to the thread with the constant threat of dissent due to a warranted lack of trust caused by the burden of misinformation. P.S.: your posts are awful to read and even worse to try and quote. Being verbose does not make your argument better. | ||
Custos Luna
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Still waiting on Mord's actual scumhunting. A FoS on shipoopi does not cut it. I want commitment. No more dodging, take a stance and stand by it. And idk if it's just me, but I still find it incredibly difficult to follow your logic in the couple posts you've made today. | ||
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On August 09 2012 10:28 Keirathi wrote: Sorry marv, I went out for the afternoon. If deadline was coming up in 10 minutes and I had to vote *NOW*, I would probably vote prplhz. He just hasn't shown much interest in the game so far. However, I'm a bit intrigued by Custos. Since then, you haven't mentioned what actually triggered your scumdar on scib. In fact, you went on to quote a post where you agreed and added more information to his case DYH. Unless your opinion did, in fact, change without you mentioning it, then I don't see why you would go out of your way to reinforce the case of someone you think is scum. also marv, I still don't understand your reasoning for forcing the discussion about Forumite when you think Custos is scum. You said you didn't need to perpetuate the case, but were you just planning to leave your vote on him and hope people hopped on at some point based on your meta case? It just doesn't make any sense to me at all. Last night before I went to bed, I posted a couple of preliminary reads, but I accidentally wrote shipoopi instead of scib. I was just clarifying for my own sake. My opinions have not necessarily changed, but they have been put on the backburner for now. Seeing as I have yet to see any significant scum hunting from Mord, my vote will stay on him. The moon is calling me, I will see you guys when her journey til sunrise is complete. | ||
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On August 09 2012 13:33 sciberbia wrote: @CL Wait what? Will you be back by the deadline or not? If not, I ask that you consolidate onto Forumite, because you said he is scummy, and he stands a good chance of being lynched today, unlike Mordanis. Also, how likely do you think prplhz is to be scum? I'll be back in the morning before deadline. I will reevaluate after I sleep. | ||
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prplhz: I do not feel that the prplhz wagon has that much merit. He had a few poor posts early, but in the whole, he has responded fairly well to the case against him. He has defended himself logically and presented a counter argument against Forumite. In my experience, the D1 lurker lynch is almost always inaccurate. The prplhz wagon started because it was easy. The easy way isn't always the right way. I'm glad people are starting to reconsider the vote on prpl for this reason. That's not to say I think he's town, I just think he is less likely to be scum than others at this point. Forumite: I can see a scenario with Forumite flipping scum. He has been flip floppy all game, and people have pointed out his contradictions. However, he's still not the scummiest in my eyes. Mordanis: Am I really the only one who sees the COMPLETELY blatant lack of commitment from Mord all game? -First Half D1: Very fluffy posts with the promise to start scumhunting. -Second Half D1: Still more fluff. Makes a long post and FoSs shipoopi (still no commitment). He does not cast a vote until very late D1 (sleepy time in my time zone). His vote is on marvel. I would normally have no issue with this if it were at a reasonable time. However, this is crunch time. A lynch on marvel isn't on the table at this point. He makes a case and commitment on something that more than likely will not happen. Mord's posts are long and filled with nothing. He talks a lot but doesn't say anything. His posts are difficult to follow, and a lack of transparency hurts town. He avoids commitment to a case as much as he can. [b]I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum | ||
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I'm sticking with my gut on this one. Mordanis is scum. | ||
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@Mord: The difference between you and I is that I established my case early and have backed it up and stuck to it. Your vote on marvel is fairly baseless and further shows your lack of commitment to anything in this game. | ||
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If it is necessary, I will switch my vote from Mord to Forumite to avoid the double lynch depending on what is said in the next half hour. However, Mord, you need to decide. Forumite or prplhz. Make your choice. Do so before I am required to or the wrath of the moon will fall upon you. | ||
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On August 09 2012 23:25 Keirathi wrote: No. Your vote is useless too, and you should vote on a real candidate. Trying to decide the best course of action. You're right, I want to get my vote on a real candidate. Scenarios running through my head: -I vote Forumite: Mord can force the double lynch. If both Forumite and prplhz are town, this puts us at 6v3 for tomorrow, something I'd really like to avoid. -I wait for Mord to vote for a real candidate: causes him to choose and I can avoid the double lynch. If one of prpl and Forumite are scum, the double lynch benefits us. However, I'm still not entirely convinced and I'm trying to figure out how to give us the best chance into this lynch. | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 09 2012 23:49 Keirathi wrote: Welp, I guess that's that. I'm going back to bed. Custos, don't pull any funny business. I would never! Still unsure on Forumite. But I'm less sure on prpl, and I want to pad some security against a last minute swap/double lynch. Therefore: ##unvote Mordanis ##vote Forumite The moon is shocked that Mord has actually committed to something. | ||
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On August 09 2012 23:56 sciberbia wrote: we are lynching forumite by 1 vote? wow 2 votes now | ||
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On August 10 2012 01:07 risk.nuke wrote: Forumite. Don't beat yourself up because some scrubs can't tell cowboy play from scum play. Sit your pretty self down and watch me catch the gobbo bastards. Yes, because you werea bastion of helpfulness D1. The goblins falling down at your feet already. | ||
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I can completely see a situation in which the scum team is as follows: Mordanis, prplhz, HiroPro I am making the assumption, for the sake of argument, that prplhz is scum. This is because he has the least content to go off of. However, it all plays out rather nicely. Since you've all heard my original case on Mordanis, I will start with HiroPro. Hiro's D1 posts were pretty useless. His entire filter is mostly 1 to 2 liners. He jumps on the prplhz wagon. He wants to distance himself from his scumbuddy. However, this wagon actually started to gain some momentum, and as you can see in this post about halfway through D1: On August 09 2012 14:15 Blazinghand wrote: Vote Count prplhz (5): DoYouHas, Marvellosity, HiroPro, Forumite, Keirathi Forumite (3): Sciberbia, slOosh, prplhz Mordanis (2): ShiaoPi, Custos Luna prplhz is currently set to be lynched. The deadline is in ~9.75 hours at Thursday, Aug 09 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The person with the most votes at the end of the day will be lynched. prplhz was set to be lynched. If you then look at this post by DYH: On August 09 2012 23:23 DoYouHas wrote: I believe this is the current votecount(If it is not please post an official one Blue or BH): prplhz(5): DYH, Marvel, Forumite, Keirathi, risk.nuke Forumite(5): Scib, slOosh, prplhz, Hiropro, Shiaopi Mordanis(1): CL Marvel(1): Mordanis Unless people's opinions have completely changed since the beginning of today, we are about to do exactly what none of us wanted, a day 1 double lynch. This is actually the ideal scenario because they both have their votes tied up on each other, but that is beside the point. It is not ok to risk being at 6-3 at the start of day 2 based on just the limited information of today. That is why you need to switch Mord, we ARE in a double lynch scenario, and it actually has potential of going through. You'll notice that HiroPro is the ONLY one who switched from prplhz to Forumite. You'll notice that both of his votes were 3rd/4th in chronological order, which is a classic scum position (one that has gotten me caught as scum in the past). It is late enough so he doesn't get blame for starting the votes, but also not so late that he gets the credit for getting the lynch to pass. His voting position shows the dilemma he was in. His scumbuddy was set to be lynched, so he needed to get momentum onto the other popular candidate, Forumite. Now, for Mordanis. My case still stands, and I am now going to expand upon it. He was screwed over by his own lack of commitment D1. He did his best to distance himself from everything. However, at EOD1, he was forced to make a decision on the lynch. I was NOT going to let a double lynch go through, and I made that very clear. He could bus prplhz to look more townie, but since he was forced to make the decision, it was not truly his own, and he would still be scummy in my eyes. It would also leave his team with 2 members after D1, a situation no scum team wants to be in. For his own safety, and the greatest benefit for his team, Mordanis was forced to vote Forumite. He ended up placing his vote because if there was a double lynch, it would have left his team at a disadvantage anyway. Now, this argument isn't as strong if prplhz isn't scum. But I am fairly comfortable with a prplhz lynch D2 at this point. I may have overlooked things, but these are my thoughts, and I'm very open to discussion and flexibility should I live through the night. May the moon protect me. (This is my last post before deadline, hopefully I won't be back too long afterwards.) | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 11 2012 01:01 sciberbia wrote: In conclusion, I think there is a reasonably good chance marv was killed because scum thought he was the watcher. This is possible. However, I believe that the scum team is trying to incriminate me. They want to set me up for a lynch. They are using the fact that marvel placed a vote on me and they want town to think that marvel was killed because of it. If you notice in Hiro's last post (before day post), he posts claiming I'm scum: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote: I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post. I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts. sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game. Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear. Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He and his scumbuddies have created a situation in which they can try to get me killed. | ||
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On August 11 2012 03:29 Mordanis wrote: Sweet WIFOM. I'll tell you what, I'll play along too. CL is scum and engineered the kill to make it look like people were out to get him so he'd have a couple of easy mislynches. Or perhaps CL knew that he'd be called out for WIFOM so he made himself seem paranoid in a good paranoid-townie way, and he's trying to buy town cred. Or perhaps WIFOM isn't a good way to play. What I presented wasn't even WIFOM. It's a scum plan that I recognize because I have done the exact same thing in the past and succeeded. I am not about to let it happen to me. I'm being logical, you're talking out your ass as you have done all game. | ||
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Regardless, I want to nip it in the butt before it starts. | ||
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I am going to preface this post with the fact that I have been completely and utterly transparent with town this entire game. Because of this, nothing that I'm saying will be new, but purely reiteration. It seems, though, that Mord needs a refresher. Understandable though, as it's hard to keep track of the thread as well as the mafia QT at the same time. Before the EOD1, prplhz and Forumite were tied. I told you to make a commitment, and you chose Forumite. Regardless of who you chose, I was going to go the same way as you. I was NOT going to let a double lynch happen. If you did not end up switching your vote, I was going to vote Forumite to avoid the double lynch. I was not convinced on either case, but since prplhz had less to go on, Forumite would have been the choice. On August 11 2012 08:12 Mordanis wrote: EBWOP: I think this makes it clear that CL wouldn't have voted for prplhz, so by DYH's logic CL should also be under scrutiny. By all means, scrutinize away. | ||
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On August 11 2012 08:07 DoYouHas wrote: CL, I don't like that you have brought out a connection case this early in the game. My experiences with connection cases is that they are rarely accurate when presented on day3 and you posted this at the end of N1. I also don't like your WIFOM. You, risk, and scib have all posted possible reasons marv was hit, and they are all equally possible. Speculating on night hits is pointless without corroborating evidence. However, I do agree some of your points and who you are suspicious of. The fact that it took vote switching instead of a clear majority to lynch Forumite increases the chance that prplhz is scum and that his scumbuddies manipulated the vote. That would make Hiro, Shiao, and Mord the suspicious parties day1. This is convienent as those are the people I have been most suspicious of after prplhz already. I'm going to withold my vote for now. I need to do some more filter digging and put together an actual case before I commit to pushing someone. Yes, I understand a connection case this early is very unprecedented. I already said it may not be fully accurate and that I'm very open to discussion about it. It does bring a nice bowl of scummy activity for town to observe though. | ||
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On August 11 2012 08:39 prplhz wrote: Hunting scum on the premise that I'm scum is bad scum hunting (and it's also bad because I'm not scum and you're not going to find anything from this premise). Not hunting scum at all is bad scum hunting. Would love for you to actually do something | ||
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Ok then, let's get to work. (My responses in his quote) On August 11 2012 11:31 DoYouHas wrote: Thank you thank you thank you Mordanis. Your point about me not including CL was absolutley right, and I was pondering my answer in the shower when I had a bit of a revelation. CL's voteswitch was unique from the others in a very specific way. He let you pick for him Mord. He implies multiple times that voting Forumite is what he wants to do, so why not actually do it? Actually, I stated many times that I was very unsure that Forumite was scum, which is why I left my vote on Mord for so long. His reason is that he fears that Mord will force the double lynch if he votes first. But is this a rational fear? no. If Mord is town then he would realize that everyone does not want a double lynch day1 and would not cause one. He probably would have sat on marv and been content that CL took the decision out of his hands. If Mord is scum then he would realize that the town is going to lynch him day2 if he forces a last minute double lynch and that a 2 for 1 trade isn't bad for town day1. Would the town chastise Mord for causing the double lynch?! Because, quite honestly, I have huge doubts whether they would. Neither alignment would have forced that double lynch in Mord's position. So why would CL put Mord (someone he is supposed to believe is scum, drastically increasing the chance of a mislynch) firmly in the driver's seat of yesterday's lynch? I can think of only one answer: CL knew that either choice would end in a townie flip and did not want to be tied to the blame for it. The language he uses leading up to the lynch only strengthens my belief that this is the case. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 23:27 Custos Luna wrote: Firm stance on wanting to switch to Forum, immediately hands reins over to Mord to choose Forum or prplhz.EBWOP: DYH, looking back, that does appear to be fairly accurate. I had thought more people unvoted off prplhz and onto Forumite. If it is necessary, I will switch my vote from Mord to Forumite to avoid the double lynch depending on what is said in the next half hour. However, Mord, you need to decide. Forumite or prplhz. Make your choice. Do so before I am required to or the wrath of the moon will fall upon you. How is that at all a firm stance on wanting to switch to Forumite? I said "if it is necessary" because I did NOT necessarily want to switch Forumite. I had said that, at the time, Forumite looked scummier than prplhz because prplhz has had next to 0 presence all game, but I wasn't convinced that Forumite was scum. I had also stated my misgivings with a double lynch and that I would avoid doing that if I could. Mord had been avoiding the commitment all game and I was now forcing it upon him. I was hoping that the town would see what I saw and follow my train of thought, but clearly that is not the case. + Show Spoiler + On August 09 2012 23:36 Custos Luna wrote: Begins to distance himself from a Forumite lynch and even entertains double lynching.If one of prpl and Forumite are scum, the double lynch benefits us. However, I'm still not entirely convinced and I'm trying to figure out how to give us the best chance into this lynch. + Show Spoiler [Important One] + On August 09 2012 23:54 Custos Luna wrote: This is a very important post tone-wise. It starts with a mischievous tone with the bantering line of "I would never!". This bantering statement tells me that CL just relaxed a bit, or even is feeling a bit victorious. This is immediately is followed by an even bigger distancing statement, "Still unsure on Forumite. But I'm less sure on prpl". Then his 'moon' closing is even a bit off of the normal. Up until this point the moon comments by CL have been either normal signoffs or threats. This one is different, it reads to me like a self satisfied dig at Mord, which seems out of place until I fit it to my theory.I would never! Still unsure on Forumite. But I'm less sure on prpl, and I want to pad some security against a last minute swap/double lynch. Therefore: ##unvote Mordanis ##vote Forumite The moon is shocked that Mord has actually committed to something. Oh good lord this one is a stretch, but ok. My "moon" statements have all been flavor. Let's be serious, my name is fucking Custos Luna, I'm making some fun out of the game. This one post is no different. But you're right, I was feeling satisfaction. I was satisfied that Mord had been forced to make a choice. NB: responses in above spoilers ^^^ Custos Luna is SCUM ##Vote: Custos Luna And now to respond to this: On August 11 2012 09:07 Mordanis wrote: Waiting to see which bandwagon forms and jump in at around 3rd or 4th place? Why would you wait? Do you think that a 2 hour day cycle would benefit town? All waiting for the inevitable does is take away time from discussion, and make you look more scummy. If you're truly as transparent as you claim to be, you should be voting for your strongest of your 3 reads. Delaying only gives you the oppurtunity to jump on whatever bandwagon you please and takes time away. Which of prplhz, me, and Hiro are you most convinced is scum? Since you're pretty into commitment and transparency, I'm sure you'll be glad to tell us all. What's interesting about this whole thing is that since DYH has created his post on me, all 3 of you have completely flown under the radar. And I really wish I did have multiple votes. The sad thing is that nobody is remotely questioning prplhz or HiroPro. Neither of them have been present, and prplhz even promised to get back to us on his findings. ##vote HiroPro You need to stop lurking bro. | ||
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But maybe you guys are right. Maybe it was poor decision making on my part. I never claimed to be perfect. That does not change the fact that you are all sheeping an easy bandwagon and completely ignoring all the right people. On August 12 2012 02:26 Mordanis wrote: CL: Why would you vote Hiro? Your case on him is based on prplhz being scum, so shouldn't you try to go for prplhz first, and if he does flip the way you expect him to go after Hiro at that point? Gahh you're not making sense... It is impossible for me to get information from people WHO DO NOT FUCKING TALK. It didn't matter which player my vote went on, I'm more than certain you had an argument for each choice I had. The sun speaks in deceit, the moon lies in truths. | ||
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Also: On August 08 2012 05:26 HiroPro wrote: I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get. has no issues with a blue claiming. Even though he states he doesn't necessarily want it to be now, he puts the idea there. In his EoN1 post: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote: I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post. I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts. sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game. Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear. Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He says Mordanis is town, I'm scum, and makes the (very brief) case, and then Mordanis picks it right up once D2 starts. But, again, it's hard to do anything in a town environment in which I'm being tunnelled and no one is talking.@sloosh: His whole filter is filled with basically nothing. Asks questions, doesn't put forward much of his own opinions. Votes for prplhz, but it didn't take much convincing to get him onto Forumite once prplhz was set to be lynched. Also: On August 08 2012 05:26 HiroPro wrote: I'd rather have a confirmed town than a useless blue. And I'm not saying that they should claim now, just that saying that if someone is tracker they should strongly consider claiming at a crucial point (Mylo would be good) rather than waiting endlessly for a useful report that they probably won't get. has no issues with a blue claiming. Even though he states he doesn't necessarily want it to be now, he puts the idea there. In his EoN1 post: On August 11 2012 00:04 HiroPro wrote: I have a RL issue to take care of, so this will be my last post. I don't have the time to go through filters again but I'll summarize my thoughts. sciberbia is town. His case on Forumite had a lot of effort and he's been consistently townie throughout this game. Mordanis is probably town. His early case on ShiaoPi was not good at all and his posting style annoys me but I feel that he's legitametly sharing his thoughts and honestly I have a hard time believing that any scum team would let Mordanis post that ShiaoPi case. Luna is scum. No experienced player would make a post like the one he just did as town. He makes a big assumption in calling prplhz scum and then uses that to justify everything else. This is especially strange since all of yesterday he was saying prplhz's alignment is unclear. Shiao and Keirathi should be looked at very closely. Shiao pushed Mordanis for reasons that had nothing to do with him being scum and he seems very nervous and reluctant to call people scum (look at his night post on the Forumite voters). Keirathi is not sharing his ideas really at all. Marv is not playing the way that I'm used to seeing him as town, dunno about him. He says Mordanis is town, that I'm scum, and makes the (very brief) case, and then Mordanis picks it right up once D2 starts. But, again, it's hard to do anything in a town environment in which I'm being tunnelled and no one is talking. | ||
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On August 12 2012 05:00 Custos Luna wrote: @sloosh: His whole filter is filled with basically nothing. Asks questions, doesn't put forward much of his own opinions. Votes for prplhz, but it didn't take much convincing to get him onto Forumite once prplhz was set to be lynched. Also: has no issues with a blue claiming. Even though he states he doesn't necessarily want it to be now, he puts the idea there. In his EoN1 post: He says Mordanis is town, that I'm scum, and makes the (very brief) case, and then Mordanis picks it right up once D2 starts. But, again, it's hard to do anything in a town environment in which I'm being tunnelled and no one is talking. Oops, poor formatting, idk how that happened. Fixed in quote | ||
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I'm really wondering if prpl or hiro are ever going to do anything at all. Risk.nuke also very quiet. | ||
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On August 12 2012 08:59 sciberbia wrote: @Custos What do you think about what Keirathi just said? I've been thinking about this myself and I think it's likely that HiroPro is only scum if prplhz is as well. If prplhz is town why would scum HiroPro make a dubious voteswitch just to lynch one townie over another townie? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. If prplhz is scum Obviously, the vote switch is very sketchy if prplhz is scum. Do you think this reasoning is valid? Do you think it therefore makes sense to lynch prplhz before HiroPro? I think the logic is sound, and it's pretty aligned with my thinking, but apparently my logic is flawed this game. My vote on Hiro was partially for pressure, but as I was a huge focus at the time (and I'm sure still am), I'm sure he felt no risk from my vote. Seeing as my connection case is on the basis of prplhz being scum, and he seems very keen to let me sit under the crosshairs and not scumhunt, I'm switching my vote to him. If people are smart, they will join me, or at least find another, more likely scum member. ##unvote HiroPro ##vote prplhz I will be going out shortly, but I'll be on my phone so I can still follow along and make some posts. | ||
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gg prplhz | ||
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Really depends on the next ~30hrs if he ever returns. | ||
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gg scib @risk.nuke: To save myself from the nightmare that I'm sure is the formatting of your post, I will be quoting segments of your post so I can respond to them: First he tries to defend prplhz using logical reasoning. That prplhz has defended himself logicly and that he have presented a counterargument against forumite. The first one of these two are false. prplhz did not defend himself logicly. You can find the post above. Prplhz questions our votes. He does not defend himself and yes there is a difference. Defending yourself is when you argument against your opponants reasoning. Example: Saying -I'm not scum because of reason X or -You are misunderstanding me, what I really ment is sentence Y prplhz goes through a quick |quote|&[comment] spree where he questions our votes but still manages to miss the point entirely on as good as all of them. We're accusing him for beeing scum because of his scum meta and he is trying to twist the light into us accusing him for beeing lurky and trying to play the vicitim of a bandwagon. These |quote|&[comment] roundups are very easy to make, look very good. But it's not actually defense if you twist the voters reasoning and don't argue against it. You are correct. I was wrong on my early prplhz read. When I said he defended himself logically, I should have said he was rational about it. As in, he didn't fly off the handle defending himself. But yes, it wasn't until later that I realized he was only showing up to defend himself. Had I realized it earlier, I may have pushed for the prplhz lynch D1. I feel Custos Luna beeing a claimed Vet should have seen this. Instead CL makes it sound as prplhz actually have defended himself and since he have defended himself logically he gets some townpoints. All a fake mask hidden beneth well chosen typing. I'm going to repeat myself here. It has been over a year since I've last played. Me being a "vet" does not mean that I know everyone's "meta" in depth. It's one thing to read through someone's game, and another thing to have played with them and experienced their actions in a certain role. Mordanis: Why does he bring up Mordanis. What Custos Luna says about Mordanis is true. But why does he bring it up now? I can't see a town-agenda in bringing up another suspect just before the lynch. Especially when he's been treading so carefully and beeing OH SO CAREFULL and explained to us how doubtfull he feels about the lynch candidates. So now he brings up a new candidate who'll have absolutely zero chance of beeing lynched. (And if he actually was lynched it would had been even worse because voteswitches to new targets are almost always a bad idea for town) Custos Luna knows this. However from a scum perspective it makes perfect sense because in a sitaution where Mord is town and Luna scum bringing Mord up both distracts the thread and begins to shift attention to Mord where he begins to get set up for a mislynch because scum doesn't care when they bring up their mis-lynch candidates. They just want to put them under the floodlight and hide in the shadows themselves. I mentioned Mordanis because he was my target from mid D1. I was not faltering on my beliefs that he is scum. When it was clear to me that things needed to happen to decide between Forumite and prplhz, I acted. Perhaps my actions were not completely correct, but what's happened has happened. But I need to say atleast one more thing about Luna first. The most significant part which is easiest revieved yourselves. Go to Custos Lunas filter or just read the posts in pages during the voteswitch. Look how CAREFULL Custos Luna is. He is so afraid of putting down an opinion and constantly reminding us how insecure he feels and how he doubts this-and-that and is worried this-is-so. He is so defensive for himself and already before Forumite has been lynched he sets up his defense for the mislynch (which he continues to play out in his post after the flip) How can you possibly say that I've been posting with any level of care higher than anyone would. There is obvious forethought in my posts, as there is in everyone's posts. End of N1 I targetted the scum team in its entirety and almost died to town because of it. I personally wanted Mord lynched D1, and I was unsure of the two candidates at the time. I wasn't covering my ass in saying that, I was being completely open about my thoughts. @Shippopie: You beat me to the punch there and pretty much said most of what I wanted to. Mordanis changed his stance on me very quickly once Scib defended me and it was pretty clear that my lynch was not going to go through. A complete turn around from his previous opinions on my alignment. Also, since HiroPro is indisposed (and is more than likely a scum member), we know there is only one scum member active. Scib was the first (and really only) person to step up and make a case in my defense. He is now dead because of this. Mord is the only active player left who I have been consistently targeting, calling him out as the remaining scum member. Assuming Hiro (or a replacement) doesn't return before a modkill, I'm comfortable with a Mordanis lynch today. ##vote Mordanis | ||
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@DYH Yes, I am that paranoid. Look at it from my point of view. I called out what I believed to be the scum team. If I was right, I would expect them to want to discredit me as much as they can. It almost worked D2, but Scib was the only one to make people think "wait a minute, he might be right". Concerning HiroPro: If he (or some replacement) shows up, we should strongly consider switching to him. If not, he'll flip anyway. If he's scum, awesome. If he's town, then I'll reevaluate my opinions. | ||
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Still trying to decide how I want to evaluate that. | ||
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On August 11 2012 08:39 prplhz wrote: Hunting scum on the premise that I'm scum is bad scum hunting (and it's also bad because I'm not scum and you're not going to find anything from this premise). This leaves me inclined to think I was at least 2/3 right about my prediction. Mord, I notice you mentioned that you think risk.nuke should be looked at more closely, but now that he is, you haven't said anything. What are your thoughts? | ||
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On August 15 2012 06:24 slOosh wrote: @DYH: My cases look nicer in other games simply because there is more content to work with. In a slow game like this there is less to work with. My case is solid regardless of how big / small it is. Reading up on the risk.nuke thing, didn't notice the timing of the vote switch. With his D1 vote do you think he anticipated a Forumite lynch? See, I'm not sure. This is what's confusing me. It would have been rather ballsy to sit on prplhz even in the face of a D1 scum lynch. | ||
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any chance of a vote count, oh great dwarf lord? | ||
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Usually when I see people rage like risk, they turn out to be scum...I'll sleep on it and figure out my vote in the morning. It will probably go on risk barring anything huge | ||
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You cannot possibly be surprised at the lack of people flocking to your defense after the seeming lack of effort and your attitude all game. That said, I'm not sure why you're so eager to want me killed based on your flip. I'm not the one pushing your lynch. I said that in my experience, the post that you made earlier is indicative of scum lashing out and giving up. However, it does not normally come with the following post that you just made. You've come back to talk to us (albeit still quite abbrasive). Yes. didn't you have earlier scumreads? I see they are forgotten when you can easiliy jump on me. You know the three names you thought were scum... a while ago... the ones you haven't even mentioned... or compared me to. Say which one of them did I replace. Which was your strongest scumread of the three and are I a stronger scumread then him because I must be right, since you don't push for him. If you'll kindly take notice, my vote is still on Mordanis. I have not switched to you yet, and after much thought last night/this morning, it is because of the voting patterns. I find it hard to believe that a scum member would bank on a prplhz scum lynch D1. It just doesn't fit too well with me. I would expect the scum team to do their best to make it through the easiest day alive. But can you explain something for me? If you were so sure that prplhz was scum coming into D2, what made you switch onto me and never switch off, despite scib's defense of me? Why wouldn't you follow through on your first scum lead? And you ask about my earlier scumreads? Of the 3 I called out, 2 are left, and 1 is MIA. The last remaining one is Mordanis, who I still have my vote on and who, this morning, I still think should be lynched. D1, my shenanigans caused Mordanis to make a choice between Forumite and prplhz. Was it dumb luck that he chose Forumite? Maybe, but in the light of prplhz's flip, that sheds poor light on Mord. Each following day, Mord has jumped on whatever case was opposite him, and faded into the shadows. D2 he only swapped off of me once it was apparent that prplhz was being lynched and that he himself was safe. D3 (today) he jumps on risk.nuke. He is fading between the votes, and although I realize it's late in the day, I think people need to reconsider their vote. Also, risk.nuke, the moon says you should calm the fuck down. | ||
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But can you explain something for me? If you were so sure that prplhz was scum coming into D2, what made you switch onto me and never switch off, despite scib's defense of me? Why wouldn't you follow through on your first scum lead? | ||
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Hope everything is ok IRL hiro | ||
Custos Luna
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On August 16 2012 23:56 Mordanis wrote: Well I had a nice pretty night post ready to go but my computer did a surprise reboot last night and I lost it. I apologize if this isn't as thoroughly explained or formatted beautifully. Anyways, I'm pretty sure SP is scum. Remember his D3 accusation of me? I've thought it seemed way too bad to be something he honestly believed was a viable case that would lead to lynching scum. The factual errors that supported his views more than the truth combined with the way he accused me of something and snipped my explanation from the post he quoted simply didn't add up. But I didn't see any reason for any townie or scum to make a post that bad on purpose. Now I do. SP had been the subject of little debate, but from what I can tell most people had a town read on him. As scum, he won't be dying tonight or during any night. How does he explain that when someone brings it up? He manufactures a case that is so bad that people will become wary of him and it will make sense when he doesn't die. How can we tell that he purposely made the case to be bad instead of convincing? See both my and Sloosh's posts about his case. He changes his views he's held the entire game, misrepresents reality, cuts parts of posts that don't fit with his case, and complete lack of follow-through are proof that he didn't really think his case would ever convince people that I'm scum. There's also the subject of his case. CL has been trying to get me lynched since D1, so SP knows that at least one person will side with him no matter what. Long story short: SP is not going to die and he is almost certainly scum. You're right, and I've been noticing that too. Need to be careful today. We at MYLO yo | ||
Custos Luna
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Woulda been nice if you claimed and gave us your protection targets in that last post Keir - we at MYLO (LYLO, same thing this game) anyway, woulda been nice just to know. gg If I'm not killed, I'll write up a full case with quotes and opinions to go along with it. Always something you should do just before the day post comes out <3 | ||
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On August 16 2012 08:50 slOosh wrote: Gah. I'll be posting my full thoughts hopefully nearer to deadline this time. Super glad you followed through on this... ~_~ | ||
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The remaining 2 scum are in Mord, Shipoopie, and sloosh. I'm leaning Mord/shipoopie, but I want to hear from sloosh. He said he'd be posting near deadline, but he has yet to say anything. | ||
Custos Luna
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If we double lynch and only get 1 scum, we'd be at 2v1 going into night, and D5 it's 1v1 scum wins. We would have to lynch both scum now. | ||
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Mord pointed out that Shipoopie was hiding behind everything that I was doing involving the Mord case. I missed the fact that he defended Mord D1. I'm good with shipoopie dead today. I'm looking forward to anything you can add DYH. I'm still in the process of rereading. ##vote ShiaoPi | ||
Custos Luna
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They've been somewhat targetting each other, but neither has put ANY real effort into getting the other lynched. | ||
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No. Are you guys seriously just realizing I've been doing this now? I've been doing it all game. | ||
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You have not once "pushed" Mord. You've placed your vote on him, made a few points, but, again, made no real effort to see him lynched. You say you switched to Forumite, but you weren't really convinced. Are you fucking kidding me? On August 09 2012 21:08 ShiaoPi wrote: First off regarding Mord: While I can agree on your point that marv seems overly cautious I cannot agree with your points about his vote. What he does by pressure voting first custos then prphlz is to discourage inactivity and not getting involved with the discussion. How can you say that this is not playing with townmotivation in mind if it helps combat anti-town play? But nevertheless, this seems to me at least an improvement from your case on me. It is correct to be wary of marv. At the moment I really do not know if it is that good to lynch prphlz...It is a lurker lynch bascially, flipping a coin on the chance that it really is different from his meta because he is scum or that he simply lacked time. Reading through the latest points of scib got me convinced that Forumite might actually be scum. Coupled with Mord actually starting to make sense, when I look at it from his point of view (no offense ) and my discomfort with a prphlz lynch I expressed above, I will change my vote to Forumite. Since my vote on Mord achieved some success in getting him to post more sensible and it probably won't get any traction looking at it in 3 hours to deadline. ##unvote ##Vote: Forumite | ||
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I went way outside my normal play to try and make plays. Didn't work, clearly. Forumite flopping over without defending himself D1, risk only deciding to care 2 hours before his death, and hiro mod killed. Marvel popped N1 as tracker. Very disheartening. Surprised though, I was pretty sure DYH was town. I tried to keep activity up D2 and 3, but I guess I wasn't effective and it felt like I had nothing to work with. | ||
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