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On August 09 2012 10:04 Axero wrote: Hi everyone, nice to meet you all! I have been blessed with my role of townie, and would like to extend neighborly brownies to all my townie brothers and sisters! Townie brownie accepted fellow townie (and fellow first-timer)! Thanks all for having me and squeezing me into this game! I'm looking forward to it!  | ||
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There is someone earlier however that mentioned that they will be inactive first night right? I forget who posted that. I was not following the game before the reset, I just rejoined page 19ish when I got the invitation  All in all, I'm looking forward to it! Got my popcorn ready. | ||
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Your criticism is duly noted. | ||
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On August 09 2012 11:53 Hapahauli wrote: I don't understand the second bit - it's probably true, yes, but what does it have to do with the policy I proposed? Please explain. I apologize for being harsh, but it's important that every town member is willing to contribute good analysis and think critically about suspicions and ideas. It is impossible for town to win if townies aren't willing to read and think. No offense taken dude. To be entirely honest, I'm scouring the newbie guides right now. Through them, I'm getting a better idea of the culture of posting (i.e not to be flippant with posts). As per your first statement, the root of the misunderstanding is that I misread your original post. I was approaching the benefits of lynching inactive people purely from a "improving gameplay" standpoint. Being a noobie game, I'd rather have people that are active, and I figured noobie games would have a higher level of inactivity given the lower level of commitment. Inactive people are hard to read, don't contribute to conversations, and don't advance the gameplay. Removing people who don't want to or can't actively participate in the game doesn't bother me. That more clear? On August 06 2012 08:06 Hapahauli wrote:
Having read your post more carefully, I can say honestly I have no experience removing lurkers because they are more likely to be mafia. It's worth thinking about it, but I really can't weigh in on that issue. (Though your suggestion makes sense because incognito's newbie guide suggests mafia generally lay low for the first couple days....) From my noobie experience playing in person though, I've had very successful mafiosos both lurk while listening for weaknesses or try to guide the conversation in the first day. Comes down to player preference afaik. | ||
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On the 14th through the 17th of this month I'll be travelling to, preparing for and going through with my marriage ceremony on the other side of the country. My activity will wane somewhat during those times, but I'll keep up on the reading with my Iphone. My post count will probably lower, but the ball and chain is bringing her laptop, so that should be ok.  | ||
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I'm hesitant to level a FOS at anyone right now, but if i did level one it would be at lvdr. I found myself nodding when reading mkfuba's lengthy post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=24#462. The tenor of his posts (drunk or not) just strike of obfuscation more than anything else. But to excerpt a particularly cloudy question from lvdr: "@everyone - What is the book on emotional players?" I don't understand what you mean by emotional players. Could you clarify? Also, are you saying that iamp an emotional player with that open-ended question? And does the book refer to how to handle them collectively? When hapa brought me to task on my first post, I got emotional and felt under-the-gun. I saw the first bold text leveled in my general direction I made a flippant terse reactionary comment and clicked send. That was emotional play. After reading his next post, I took a deep breath and realized it wasn't an attack, just a note of confusion. Basically, I'm just having trouble distinguishing in my mind what "emotional play" could be other than play without logic or thought behind it. -- On August 10 2012 05:58 Promethelax wrote:Discuss the game and the players, we essentially got a free meta test day with D1.0 so we are starting from a better position than we were in on the first day one. I, for one, see more from this day than the one before it. It seems that people are referencing behavior from Day .5 often and letting those past behaviors inform decisions. I have not read the first 19pages or so of back-and-forth, choosing rather to comb since the dawn of Day 1. Is it common practice for newcomers to read the null day's proceedings? I'll start going back to it if that's the case. Fluffy sidenote:+ Show Spoiler + I had a little "Aha!" moment when Dandel wrote: On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote: If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case? You should not be scared of getting lynched, like, ever. People might accuse you of bandwagoning - so what? Once you flip green, it's just more evidence against them. It makes perfect sense though. In case you all missed it, I'm a vanilla townie. I for one feared being "outed" by someone because of the time investment spent into the game, and the long-term commitment to reading and responding. If I'm outed and lynched as a townie I still get to read the following proceedings and see what happened as a result of my death. All of the fun popcorn action, and less of the stress and verbal riposte! That's all for now, more later. | ||
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@Hapahauli I'm honestly surprised by your Un-FOS's. I'm willing to concede temporary agreement on the Axero posts, but I honestly hope this is just an attempt to smoke the quiet people out of the bushes. lvdr's defense to me just strike as more of the same. Two brief moments of sanity (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#503, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#) and then jumping back into confusing or circadian logic. There is one little gotcha moment from lvdr though that I jsut found courtesy of the filter function. + Show Spoiler + (what a cool function!! damn that's useful) As follows (bold and underline for emphasis): On August 10 2012 06:51 Lvdr wrote: I find this passage by Sideni somewhat scummy. Sideni claims a weak command of english multiple times, but is still comfortable bandwagoning mkfuba's argument with a semantic argument. As i said last game, scum hate making their own cases, and Sideni's is pretty fluffy. FOS Sideni But later you claim: On August 10 2012 07:59 Lvdr wrote: I wasn't accusing Sideni of bandwaggoning. Agreeing with mkfuba's case is not what I found suspicious. The fact that it is directed against me is irrelevant. It was the additional case Sideni provided. How does changing the order in any way change whether there was a scum tell or not? Whether I happened to say town or mafia first I think the suspicion would have been similar. Therefore, Sideni's addition reads as quite fluffy to me. I understand getting hot under the collar when stuff is leveled against you and then wanting to claim the moral high-road after the fact, but you did accuse him of band-wagoning. I tend to agree with you that his logic wasn't incredibly well thought-out. At least he did retract the analogy that made me want to smash some oranges and grapefruits (referring to: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#526) | ||
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On August 10 2012 09:19 Sideni wrote: Alright sir, I need some explanation from yourself ... You tell me in that post that a good town player would avoid confusion (that's why I cut on what I say sometimes). Although, in a post before, you're telling me that I shouldn't be afraid to say what I think... You're not coherent in your sayings. (I know that I can be incoherent as well, but that's why I excuse myself and that I explain my thoughts) I made a mistake in my logic and I thought it would be great to assume that it's my fault and to explain it instead of just saying "nevermind, I made a mistake"... As I already said, you're not coherent in your sayings about what you want me to do and it makes you suspicious to my eyes. @Sideni I think he's trying to say don't be afraid to respond cogently before quickly. If you find yourself knee deep into an analogy that is going nowhere and it occupied 45min to an hour of your time, I'd be totally fine with you stymying the retort bandwagon by throwing down a quick post "Responding to X's post on such-and-such but it's taking some time... please stand by." That's more valuable to me than having to read a post you've already 85% redacted or nullified. @Dandel am I clear in understanding your statement? | ||
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If I had to vote now, it'd be Lvdr. LoD Sideni @Sideni: (that's for Look of Disapproval by the by) Caaaaaaalm down! Deep cleansing breath. I'm here for the vote and beyond... cogitating thoughts... | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:14 Lvdr wrote: Can we get some reasoning? You may sir. First to answer Hapa's question about my stance re: Sideni and to generally state my current stance in the game. Firstly, I wasn't completely turned off by the case Sid made here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#606. Right now the only impression I get from him is an emotional person who has invested a lot into a game and is having trouble distancing himself. He just strikes of floundering fish more than anything else. And truth be told, I kinda feel for his emotional gut reaction. I'm am not in the least bit worried about his mistaking my marriage post. I think to a certain extent he's being exploited. Re: my stance in the game. I haven't been goaded or outed as yet. That's not to say I couldn't be. When I was getting hot under the collar and messed up somebody's previous post only Hapa brought me to task. I could've been played with and tested, but he chose to back down when I made every effort to phrase what I was thinking as clearly as possible. Hapa got fellow townie points from me in a big way at that juncture. Just full disclosure, as that experience has shaped how I see other posts at this time. On to the rationale for my FoS's and vote pref... | ||
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Sorry for the one-liner. | ||
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On August 11 2012 07:35 Lvdr wrote: Oh god Kronen thinks Sideni's case was good. I really need my own face brick... Quick rebuttal. I didn't say I thought it was good. I did however change my approach to looking at the proceeding because of it. So much of the early interchange was based off of mkfuba's case. It was the only piece of substance written at that time. His choice of looking at how people reacted or rebutted it is interesting. That being said he grasped too much at straws and he suppositions were unfounded. In the future however I'm looking at the foundation of what he did there. What I fear from the lynching happening tonight is that we won't learn anything from it. GK will have my vote for tonight for two reasons 1) I have no concrete evidence upon which to draw correlations from other people's lynching, 2)he's been the most inactive yet trolly... but I fear a vote for him will turn over less than votes for others. ##vote GoodKarma | ||
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I'm definitely interested to see who's still standing after tonight. Hope the cop doesn't get the ax, because that could be very useful. Kill me before the cop you two remaining scourge!! Honestly, I can't help but think we fucking dodged a bullet there. It could've been a genius play by Hapa to sell an inactive leader down the river to cement your position at top of the town heap, but I doubt it. RE: my performance. I'll try to step up in the ensuing day... I didn't offer much in terms of analysis persay and I aim to correct that. | ||
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Moment of silence for brownies...  | ||
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... I'm listening to Brahms 1 while doing this write-up. *pfft*You want epic death music? This is in honor of GK, our fallen Godfather... I give you the most dramatic death in the repertoire. This is the final scene from Salome where she, Salome, goes bat-frickign insane and kisses the head of John the Baptist immediately after demanding it be cut from his body. It was the birth of of the famous Strauss death chord at the 5min mark. | ||
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A) GK's quotes: 1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#567 Sideni benefits most notably from an early post by GK (as would also the late Axero). The initial scum read was a stretch, but it's doubtful he'd attempt either a bus or a double-take against a fellow scum Sideni. This is reinforced by the second hamhanded vetting of the now vindicated Axero. In context: this call out happens immediately after Hapa levels a cases against Axero. Axero might have been an after-thought or attempt at band-wagon. 2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=34#667 Yea... holy crap... He just fixated on these two characters and nothing else... That's just crazy. Good read Hapa! And that's it.... wow... no posts ----- B) interest surrounding GK: Some early policy back-and-forth between GK and Hapa... Nothing really of note in there. Correct me if I'm wrong. Nothing for several pages until Dandel accuses him of lurking: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=25#489 Couple more pages until Hapa points at GK again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#532 Followed quickly by lvdr: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#553 YH calls him out for lack of thought almost immediately after lvdr crowns him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#556 another Hapa call-out: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#563 Shady mentions starting a call-out without further GK participation: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#568 Long long pause then Prome mentions as a lurker: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=33#655 GK returns to conversation from Hapa while Sideni is 5 votes in and almost to the scaffold: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#744 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#748 Lvdr comes to GK's defense in the conspicuous absence with a pro-townie read: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#752 Hapa's lynch starts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#759 (at this point there's more back and forth. The big points are as follows): Shady weighs in on the lynch 5 votes in: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=40#790 Hapa takes responsibility for the GK train: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=41#806 ----- C) votes leading up to the lynch Hapa starts him as a lynch target here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#759 Lvdr concurs: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#760 Dandel concurs: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#768 iamp weighs in positively: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#772 Official vote 1: Lvdr at 07:33 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#775 Official vote 2: Hapa at 07:34 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#777 Official vote 3: Dandel at 07:35 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=39#778 Official vote 4: iamp at 07:38 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=40#783 Official vote 5: Sideni at 07:40 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=40#787 Official vote 6: Kronen at 07:44 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=40#795 Official vote 7: mkfuba at 07:46 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=40#800 Final votecount: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=41#810 Votes not for GK: Lvdr: Shady Sands Axero Sideni: goodkarma Promethelax mkfuba07: YourHarry ----- I mean to make no overt suppositions in this post. This is just metrics and just data. I went through and tried to scour for everytime GK was mentioned. This is the fruit of that labor. Do with this data what you will. | ||
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@Hapa: would you like me to start defending myself, or can I just wait until day? I would rather just get on with my substantive posts. I am not a blue townie and am less valuable in that respect, so maybe getting scum-killed would be a good thing. I would urge a medic vote on Hapa. At this point, I figure the scum know that the medic vote is going to Hapa. If there were one person in this game to have medic protection it would be him. This also means, he's (sadly) not our Korean War vet. It would be so beautiful Hapa if you were the cop... hot damn. On the other hand, you're probably going to role-blocked if you're not assassinated. Can the JK throw himself in jail? and also, I don't think jailing the goon would stop a night-time mafia assassination, buuut... if there's only one mafia left in the game and he/she is jailed, does that stop the night-time assassination? I hope hope the JK is used to protect another Hapa strong-townie read such as lvdr or iamp. | ||
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. Calm down big guy. We'll get more information from tonight's action and then move forward from there. Go find YourSally and do whatever you do.Unless I am mistaken that we don't lynch again during night. Am I correct that lynch votes happen at the end of the day period? Also, I did edit and redact that last post a fair amount so that it wasn't role-hunting. You can turn it into a role-hunt if you want YH. There's a 1/9 chance that the jailer could jail the roleblocker, or there's a 1/2 chance the jailer could protect a high profile townie target from death. That's my rationale. Stepping out for lunch date for the next 2-3 hours. I'll write up what I'm thinking when I get back. -- On reflection: I'm sorry I got a little hot under the collar during this post YH. You, and everyone else, can judge an emotional reaction from me by this post. Cheers! | ||
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Sideni's March to the Scaffold: Detailed chronology and links leading up to the almost-lynch of Sideni. --- light rebuff from Prome: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#506 first FOS from Lvdr: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=26#510 Sid starts to flounder and FOS's lvdr: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#521 Dandel tries to clarify a Sid flounder: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#523 Dandel maintains a civil tone to a Sid retort, but stressed how confusing his posts have become in a second post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#528 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#530 Sid gets all hot and bothered and tries to FOS everyone again: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#533 Kronen tries to clarify Sid's misunderstanding (and is subsequently clarified by Dandel): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#540 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#543 There's some more tug-and-pull from Dandel and Sid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#549 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=28#550 Sands comes to Sid's defense, but also tells Sid to shape up: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#561 GK smells blood in the water, FOS Sid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=29#567 several pages pass... Hapa asks for final reads before the deadline: Dandel voices his recurring suspicions of Sid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=30#585 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=30#588 Lvdr follows up re: Dandel's question of Sid, and Votes (#1): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=30#590 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=30#591 some minor comments here between Dandel and Lvdr about the methods of questioning... Sid jumps in with 2 collosal posts of "OMG U Question me?! FOS/##Vote U!!": http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#606 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#609 in between which Dandel LOLs and votes (#2): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#608 There a couple more posts where Hapa mediates somewhat and Lvdr loses patience: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#614 (continuing reading for 8 posts) Hapa levels a FOs at Sid in there: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=31#618 Prome (in an epic quote) starts by saying that Sid is just "he said, she said"ing with Lvdr and Dandel, but snaps off the deep end at the end of the post because Sid said the marriage thing (Vote #3): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 Sid gets mad a little, and then he and Hapa converse about the merits of Sid's analysis of Lvdr and Dandel... (several posts) Context: in the interim Hapa starts a large hunt of Axero. Lvdr notes the Ax hunt as a diversionary tactic from Sid: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=33#641 GK votes for Sid (vote #4): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=34#667 Hapa votes Sid because of an uber-flounder (5): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=36#702 Iamp vote Sid (6): (with lots of smilies?) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=36#709 Dandel unvotes after a scary mod vote-count (and probably saves Sid): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=36#713 Prom gets heated because of lack of transparency on Sid votes: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=36#715 Revote from Dandel (7): should this have in fact killed Sid? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=37#732 Hapa starts the GK train: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=38#744 --- End Sideni's trial. Time briefly overlaps with my post on GK, so refer to that for the link re: Hapa's GK push. | ||
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Prom: The Potstirrer Far and away the most suspicious of the people for many reasons: (Smallest first) 1) The late powerplay against Hapa. This strikes of desperation. Honestly, Prome's thoughts about this being an elaborate bussing of the mob boss to garner town support occurred to me as well. So... instead of jumping out and making unsubstantiated claims, I wanted to get a tally of everything surrounding GK and his fall. See this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=42#840 Guess what I found? Little and less. There are straws there potentially that you could attempt to grasp at... and hell I even organized them for you if you'd care to read, but there are far more conflicting accounts than confirming. 2) I hate everything about this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=32#624 In an effort to make up for lurking, he begins an epic sized thread with nothing but clouding language and conjecture. The first two paragraphs are nothing but throwing sand in the air. Damn, now I have to take a step back every time I think you are scummy and try to decide if it is just because you annoy the hell out of me with your attitude or if you actually appear scummy. Still leaning red. *snip Iamperfection feels very scummy here, he plays on the emotional side to avoid making a case. He has stated that my posting feels 'weird' to him but doesn't have a case to make. This feels like it has a scum motivation: creating pressure on a townie without backing it up with a case or a vote. This leaves him open to jumping on a bandwaggon or not; town doesn't need to be wishy washy. Misunderstood my fluffy sidenote as an attempt at undermining Dandel: What was your aha moment? I don't get it from your post and I would love to know what you have learned, or think you have learned about our flowery friend. In answer: + Show Spoiler + I'm sorry you misunderstood. My sidenote has nothign to do with Dandel. I was saying Dandel's post gave me the persepctive to not fear death, because as a vanilla townie I will vindicated in the end. The post continues, but basically there's no analysis in the post, just conjecture and spraying attentions any which way. People on Prom's suspicious list at end of post in order of suspiciousness: Sid (duh the vote) Axero Dandel Lvdr Shady YH 3) Operation Deflection. If we could please open to Page 3 of the Promethelax filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&user=251061¤tpage=3 This is where I'm getting the name. There isn't a post in this that wasn't designed to obscure the intentions of the group at large. The only saving grace in this page is that Prome doesn't discriminate and is willing to cast doubt on now named Mafia: Mkfuba isn't here and I don't like it. But why only push him? There are a tonne of lurkers this game. Why are you tunneling one when Shady has been an active lurker, Kronen has barely posted, GK is "the champion lurker" Why focus on just one of them? But, this post comes suspiciously before GK's lengthy reiteration of Prom's vote for Sideni. (Almost like he knew the GK post was incoming...) It's worth noting that vast majority of votes on the bottom of the page (the ones that don't call for a recount) are designed to refute or challenge unvotes on now strongly suspected townies. There's one exception: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=36#712 but even that exception springboards into further confusion and distraction when Hapa begins the hunt of GK. ---- Summary and hypothesis: Promethelax set out to obscure any notion and distract town efforts up until the final vote because he knew at least one of his mafia cohort would be unable to respond. When his time ran out, he cut his losses and mustered a makeshift and rushed defense. At this juncture he saw it as his only option to attempt to unseat a seemingly unstoppable force. Personal note regarding the GK vote: Hot damn did we dodge a bullet. If GK had offered his login info to fellow mafia to respond even once on the lead-up things could've gone drastically differently. The biggest confirming factor in the lead-up to my eyes was the lurkiness and lack of self-defense. It's too obvious to jump into Hapa's redirect as mafia that close to deadline... The only way to refute would be GK coming back from the dead.... | ||
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For any glaring errors/omissions you see in either of please don't hesitate to let me know. Took alot of time today to marshal this effort... Has to be a more efficient way of collating that information than just flat out re-reading and time-stamping. | ||
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mkfuba: My read of apportioned thought and being slow to anger shaped a large part of how I viewed the early game up until first night, perhaps to my detriment. It locked me into inaction in the final moments leading up to the vote. I shaped how I viewed the first day around the mkfuba case against lvdr, and largely respected how both parties handled themselves. While Lvdr and Dandel were engaging in the Sideni debacle, mkfuba was one of the few people who kept out and refused to speculate, earning brownie points from me. Granted, that's largely due to the ongoing spat between the fuba and Lvdr. Fuba largely kept his nose clean on the lead-up to the final vote. I'm unable to read whether that was designed or not, so I won't speculate. And in the day since, I haven't found anything particularly objectionable or note-worthy about his analysis of other people. Honestly... null read. I err on the side of liking the way he approaches problems. Also, I'm still fuzzy on the modkill and the explanations/implications. YourHarry: Strikes me as the class clown whose humor just hits wrong. Too many of his posts are just bleh... One thing that I actively found suspicious was the claim to have not checked his alignment PM until well into the game. While I find the "Gawd! He was only drunk! You can't hold his words against him!" post suspicious: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=24#470 I at the same time fail to see the point (other than general confusion). This interchange actually gave more credence to the Lvdr case in my mind at the time. A non-related third party is coming to aid of someone just befuddled me. He then jumps back into his "Why didn't you tell me what I misunderstood? God, read my mind better!" defense. Careful scum to just incompetent up until this point. --- I need to leave for a party at 8 now... If still alive, I'll respond to the suspicions of YH and SS on my behalf. Largely, I don't find exception to them, they're just thin. fluffy sidenote:+ Show Spoiler + I'm also kinda sad my When Harry Met Sally joke feel flat... oh well. | ||
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Kronen
United States732 Posts
On August 14 2012 09:38 Dandel Ion wrote: Not flawless. Kronen died. Get your shit together Kronen! Sowwie... I'll try to play better next time | ||
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Kronen
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