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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:25 GMT
#661
And exactly what am I missing here? Show me how I'm taking you out of context?
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:25 GMT
#662
EBWOP: Last bit was @ Axero
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:29 GMT
#663
Also, Rabblerabblerabble VOTECOUNT PLZ rabblerabblerabble =)
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Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 20:29 GMT
#664
Kind of like you just did?

@ Hapa

1) Since when did bad logic = scum?
2) Mistake on fluff = scum?
3) Context tends to help.

You dwell so bad.
☺
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
August 10 2012 20:31 GMT
#665
On August 11 2012 05:29 Axero wrote:
Kind of like you just did?

@ Hapa

1) Since when did bad logic = scum?
2) Mistake on fluff = scum?
3) Context tends to help.

You dwell so bad.

I'm honestly trying to keep an open mind and try to read you as town but your aren't helping. Explain what you are saying here. Use sentences. Talk to me like I'm retarded, fill in all the blanks.
What the hell is your defense?
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 20:33 GMT
#666
EBWOP:

@ Hapa

If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself.
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goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
August 10 2012 20:35 GMT
#667
Both Sideni and Axero have had a lot to say since I've woke up.:

Sideni:

His posts have continued to be long and flowery. I'm now convinced that his "bad at English" excuse is likely scum-motivated. He has demonstrated more than enough command of the English language to play this game, to the point that I don't understand why as town he would even bring it up.

He has been focusing a lot of his posting tunneling Dandel Ion. Then he changes immediately to Lvdr when it's brought up that his problems with Dandel Ion seem to be in large part from his stance on Lvdr.:

On August 11 2012 03:30 Sideni wrote:
@Hapahauli :

Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 03:02 Hapahauli wrote:
@ Sideni - what would happen to your case if... say Lvdr flipped green at one point in the game? Your case basically assumes that Lvdr is mafia, and based on Dandel Ion's interactions with Lvdr, you voted on Lvdr. Why aren't you voting Lvdr based on this?


I actually haven't thought about that ! Your logic makes complete sense to me and I now see the contradiction in voting for Dandel Ion ! The logic behind it would then be that we first go with Mkfuba's case on Lvdr and from there, we can tell if my case is good. Thanks for making me understand myself, I'm changing my vote ! xD

@Lvdr :
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=31#616

point 1 : As you know, we are 9 towns and there are 3 mafia. 6 of everbody talked about Mkfuba's case.
Assuming that you are mafia I would assume that mafia players wouldn't comment on the case or at least, they would try to find something bad about the case which didn't happen. So, my guess is that all 6 people who commented are town and lurkers could be town as well.

point 2 : The thing is that YourHarry, before Dandel Ion comments, DOESN'T behave like a scum !

point 3 : I want you to explain me how do I seem to lack a basic mafia strategy ? I mean, why would we sacrifice a town to get information when we can lynch someone who looks scummy ?!

##unvote Dandel Ion
##FOS Dandel Ion
##vote Lvdr



He's like: "Hmmm. I guess you're right. What I'm doing doesn't make sense. Instead of clearly explaining my motives let me fix that." I am not convinced there weren't other reasons for him voting Dandel Ion over Lvdr. He should have come out and say what they were before switching his vote.

This feels like a move that was made to take suspicion away from himself by making his voting pattern more consistent with his arguments. His quickness to flip his vote when called out for inconsistency of action feels scummy to me.

Combined with the points of my prior case against him, which are spoilered below, he is my scummiest read right now, and has earned my vote.:

##Vote: Sideni

My earlier case against him (and Axero too):

+ Show Spoiler +
On August 10 2012 13:56 goodkarma wrote:
I have read through everyone's filters, and have a few case points on who I see as most scummy right now:

Sideni:

One scum-read I currently have on him is mistaking the name of the person who was getting married (Kronen). This was mentioned before, but I feel it is an important point. If you're struggling to read and write in English to the point of scrutinizing every word, how can you make this kind of mistake of names? This fits the profile of an unconcerned scum combing the thread before posting. It may not seem big, but in my last game (NMM XXII) the last scum we caught made this same mistake.

I believe it's been said before, and I too agree that his posts are a bit fluffy. Especially considering that if writing every English word is meticulous, I would expect his posts to generally be very concise and succinct. Instead, we've seen posts like this one:

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote:
On August 10 2012 07:40 Dandel Ion wrote:
If you're (vanilla) town, why would you be concerned with being second on a case?

Is my mentality just wrong here?


Well, I either answer to his post saying that I don't even care defending myself or I explain myself (just as I did) or I just don't answer...

What is the smartest choice in your opinion ? I would gladly sacrifice myself to turn green to reveal that he's suspicious. However, I don't think it's smart
If I just say that I don't care, it just feels to me that I don't pay attention to all details =/
If I don't answer, I'm being a lurker and this is bad for my party ! Gotta keep talking and if the talking can lead to something, then it's perfect ! :D
So, last choice, I decided to explain myself. There's nothing wrong about explaining yourself ever !


On August 10 2012 07:59 Lvdr wrote:
How does changing the order in any way change whether there was a scum tell or not? Whether I happened to say town or mafia first I think the suspicion would have been similar. Therefore, Sideni's addition reads as quite fluffy to me.


Oh, I thought it was obvious, so I guess I skipped on that point ... =/
Well, first, if you only say "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" you look like a real town player (you care for the right thing).
To illustrate myself, I'll have to use an example.

Let's say you have oranges and grapefruits in a bag and you can't see them.
Now, let's say you want an orange. You'll put your hand on one, you'll take it out (closing your eyes) and you'll ask the guy holding the bag : "Is this an orange ?"
because that's the orange you want

However, you asked : "Is this an orange or a grapefruit ?"
Someone wouldn't talk about the grapefruit at all...

Now, let's reverse the words : "Is this a grapefruit or an orange ?"
First, you would never ask about the grapefruit at all !

Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD
I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD

Well, at least, the fact that you wouldn't usually ask for town is still right !


Two things about this post: the first is I have no idea why a orange or grapefruit metaphor was necessary, or even helpful. The only thing it serves to do, in my opinion, is distract from the rest of the post with a bit of fluff (a bit ironic for a post defending against making fluffy posts). Perhaps Sideni indeed does struggle with the English language, but some of his fluffy posts have indicated to me that it could plausibly be a scum-motivated excuse. The second thing:

"Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD
I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xD"

There is no town-motivated reason whatsoever for making this statement. It's basically saying, "I don't know what I'm doing. Don't listen to me." This statement feels very scum-motivated, as it's a great statement to make if you're trying to keep your head low.

Another quote that gives me a scum read on Sideni:

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 08:41 Sideni wrote:
On August 10 2012 08:36 Dandel Ion wrote:
I think you misunderstood a little... I'm saying you shouldn't hold back anything just because you're concerned how it'd reflect on you.


Taking note of that !
I just don't want a mislynch for town xD


It feels like he's trying a little too hard here to show he's pro-town. Why does something this obvious need to be said? This quote feels scum-motivated to me.

For the reasons I've mentioned above:

##FoS: Sideni

Axero:
Axero's mentioned on more than one occasion that this is his first game. Describing noobiness is a common scum trait, as it allows them to discredit themselves and have people not take them as seriously, or read as much into their cases for mislynches as they should be. He then goes on to describe how he plans to post without reading the thread.:

Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 09:56 Axero wrote:
On August 10 2012 09:47 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 10 2012 09:44 Axero wrote:
Since the game started and I didn't know I'd be in it I had previous plans. I've been checking the thread and still trying to feel people out, but since nothing really had anything to do with me personally, I haven't replied. (Not the best play, but again, first game )


So let me get this straight - your strategy going in to this game was to lurk until your name was mentioned, then FOS the guy who called you out for lurking?

As for your first criticism, those two statements I made were my response to YH, not actual suspicions against you, kind of just possibilities. But yes, at this point, it is my gut reaction to your actions.

In the middle of a game of DotA atm, so I'm sure this didn't answer everything you wanted. I'll respond in a bit.


Well hearing your "strategy" - you better have some damn good explanations for your play so far.


Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check.


You should never post without reading first. This is strongly anti-town play. Combined with your semi-lurky behavior, you're looking scummy to me.:

##FoS: Axero



Axero:

Axero's most recent actions have not gone unnoticed by me. Unfortunately, I have seen really bad townie lurkers before + Show Spoiler +
(I know he's posted a lot of one-liners today, but until he contributes his first post of substance I consider him a lurker)
, and I haven't seen enough evidence yet to say that he doesn't fit this profile. I will keep a close eye on his filter, but right now Sideni looks scummier to me. I do have a couple things to add though.:

First, his mistaking of names for Kronen's wedding. I still believe that mistaking names is a scum tell, as I have explained before in my case against Sideni.

Second, posting nonsense filler like this:

On August 11 2012 01:46 Axero wrote:
EBWOP:

Spooning required, clothes optional.


This is spam. It adds no content to the thread and drowns out valid arguments which are critical for us to see so close to the voting deadline.

Axero is definitely looking scummier than he did before. But I'm not ready to rule out his actions as being those of a bad townie yet.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:35 GMT
#668
On August 11 2012 05:29 Axero wrote:
Kind of like you just did?

@ Hapa

1) Since when did bad logic = scum?
2) Mistake on fluff = scum?
3) Context tends to help.

You dwell so bad.


1) Bad logic in context of scummy play is scummy. Again, you reference bussing in the conversation between me and YourHarry when there was nothing involving suspicion. You didn't read the conversation and casted idle suspicion - that's scummy.

2) That's more to point out to Dandel Ion how he's holding you to different standards than Sideni

3)
On August 10 2012 09:44 Axero wrote:
Since the game started and I didn't know I'd be in it I had previous plans. I've been checking the thread and still trying to feel people out, but since nothing really had anything to do with me personally, I haven't replied. (Not the best play, but again, first game )

...

Haha, no I wasn't planning on lurking. I was actually going to go ahead with my plans without checking the forum at all, but someone coaching me suggested i still check.


Context. Okay, perhaps "openly admitting not reading" was severe, but anti-town mentality is still on display here. Not wanting to discuss, and planning not to check the forum at all? You've commented on this, so I won't dwell on it longer - I just don't find your explanation sufficient.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 10 2012 20:35 GMT
#669
On August 11 2012 05:33 Axero wrote:
EBWOP:

@ Hapa

If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself.

Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:38 GMT
#670
On August 11 2012 05:35 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 05:33 Axero wrote:
EBWOP:

@ Hapa

If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself.

Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on.


Funny thing is, ge isn't "going after" me. He's just casting idle "gut-feeling" suspicion on me.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#671
On August 11 2012 05:38 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 05:35 iamperfection wrote:
On August 11 2012 05:33 Axero wrote:
EBWOP:

@ Hapa

If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself.

Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on.


Funny thing is, ge isn't "going after" me. He's just casting idle "gut-feeling" suspicion on me.

????
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 10 2012 20:39 GMT
#672
oh he lol
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:41 GMT
#673
typotypotypo =(
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
August 10 2012 20:42 GMT
#674
Posting from work. Don't have a lot of time. Question: when is the deadline?

Hapa and others, read my case on mkfuba.

I don't think axero, sideni, or lvdr is a good lynch.
Never!
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
August 10 2012 20:42 GMT
#675
Does anyone have the votecount in their notes? I don't and don't want to go back through the thread to see where we stand if I can use that time for something useful. Like re reading Axero's posts and hitting myself in the face with a brick.
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 20:43 GMT
#676
On August 11 2012 05:35 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 05:33 Axero wrote:
EBWOP:

@ Hapa

If I were scum, how would it benefit me to fos you? Surely there's easier people to go after that wouldn't bring so much attention to myself.

Get that wifom shit out of here. I know almost everthing can be wifom but come on.


You complain about 1 liners and then post 1 liners. GG

I'm tired, I'm going to bed. Vote how you will. All you're doing is bringing up stuff I can't defend without saying something you've already complained about being scummy. PCE
☺
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9645 Posts
August 10 2012 20:43 GMT
#677
alright im gonna be working on the votecount. if someone could check me if i make a mistake please.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Axero
Profile Joined September 2011
United States307 Posts
August 10 2012 20:43 GMT
#678
PS: Prome you're annoying
☺
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:46 GMT
#679
@ YourHarry

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=29#580
I replied to it here. I highly doubt your case will get any traction given the standing cases on Sideni and Lvdr - consider switching your vote at this point.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 10 2012 20:49 GMT
#680
Also, ##Unvote Axero

His "ragequit" for the night gives me a bad-townie read. I still find his actions slightly scummy, but given that no one's following me on his lynch, and that we need 7 for a majority lynch (prplhz said 6, but I think he got this wrong), I'll most likely switch my vote toward one of the more popular candidates.
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