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On August 11 2012 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:
To be honest, I'm shocked at how little attention that Axero is getting. He's laying low and has demonstrated some clear anti-town behavior. Some players have mentioned having suspicions of him, but no one has so much as FOS'd him.
Go with me a bit here:
If Axero was town, wouldn't he be a REALLY EASY MISLYNCH FOR MAFIA? Why has NO ONE voted for him? I'm inclined to think that his mafia buddies are covering for him!
Right now I think both Sideni and Axero are in the "are they bad or are they scummy" situation. I would argue Sideni has looked more straight up scummy, but I also remember Hapa's advice from earlier that given two players the less active one is more likely to be scum.
Just a note to add, Hapa is really trying to put suspicion on Axero and relieve pressure on Sideni with this post. Worth paying attention to later in the game when we have some flips.
It is around 3 hours to lynch?
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On August 11 2012 04:45 Hapahauli wrote:
There's nothing in the rules against referencing coaching. I confirmed this with one of the hosts this game.
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There isnt? In a previous game i refrenced coaching and got immediatly scolded so that is why i think the same thing happened to axxero.
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@Axero I know, I saw it the first time. It's our duty to read everything and that's why I think it's suspicious from you to come back with that when you're being pressured !
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@Sideni
I don't really care if people vote for me or not, go for it if you feel its your best move.
I'm still going to be looking at other people, and at the moment mkfuba07 is one of the ones standing out the most to me.
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On August 11 2012 04:58 Axero wrote:
@Sideni
I don't really care if people vote for me or not, go for it if you feel its your best move.
I'm still going to be looking at other people, and at the moment mkfuba07 is one of the ones standing out the most to me.
What about Lvdr? Did you have your vote on him?
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I do at the moment, but I'm starting to reconsider. At the end of the day if discussion on mkfuba07 doesnt start between everyone, my one vote isn't going to mean anything if I decide to change. The only way townies have power is together.
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On August 11 2012 05:02 Axero wrote:
I do at the moment, but I'm starting to reconsider. At the end of the day if discussion on mkfuba07 doesnt start between everyone, my one vote isn't going to mean anything if I decide to change. The only way townies have power is together.
This is majority lynch. Every vote counts - especially since we have to secure 7 votes on one player by the end of the day.
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Well, I'm going to ask your feelings on this Hapa. How do you feel about his inactivity?
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@Hapahauli, I have to correct you, it requires 6 votes to lynch someone.
On August 09 2012 08:02 prplhz wrote:
12 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
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Given the rest of his play so far, I consider it a null tell. He has a well-written case on Lvdr on the table as well as a vote. I'm not a fan of his relative silence, but I don't consider it all that suspicious given his standing case on Lvdr.
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On August 11 2012 04:25 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 04:09 Promethelax wrote:On August 10 2012 08:47 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 10 2012 08:28 Sideni wrote:On August 10 2012 07:59 Lvdr wrote:
How does changing the order in any way change whether there was a scum tell or not? Whether I happened to say town or mafia first I think the suspicion would have been similar. Therefore, Sideni's addition reads as quite fluffy to me.
Oh, I thought it was obvious, so I guess I skipped on that point ... =/ Well, first, if you only say "Both Hapa and YH are mafia ?" you look like a real town player (you care for the right thing). To illustrate myself, I'll have to use an example. Let's say you have oranges and grapefruits in a bag and you can't see them. Now, let's say you want an orange. You'll put your hand on one, you'll take it out (closing your eyes) and you'll ask the guy holding the bag : "Is this an orange ?" because that's the orange you want However, you asked : "Is this an orange or a grapefruit ?" Someone wouldn't talk about the grapefruit at all... Now, let's reverse the words : "Is this a grapefruit or an orange ?" First, you would never ask about the grapefruit at all !
Hmmm nevermind, I don't have to keep going on my explanation, I just realized how dumb my logic was xD
I'm sorry to everybody for the confusion xDWell, at least, the fact that you wouldn't usually ask for town is still right ! Bolded part and your analogy that doesn't go anywhere looks pretty scummy to me. There's basically no goal, direction or reason behind this, but you still feel the need to share it with us. You apologize for the confusion, but good town play, in my book, is trying to AVIOD confusion. Confusion, gray shades and everything inbetween just give scum openings for misinterpretations. Please, in the bolded part you clearly showed that you have the theoretical ability to think your posts through, the only thing left is to actually do it. Here Dandel says that the bolded part of Sadini's post both doesn't go anywhere/is scummy and shows the ability to think a post through...errrr what? Why blatantly contradict yourself? Setting yourself up to distance from a lynch? Please read it properly. He has the THEORETICAL ability to think his posts through, he just doesn't do it. He posts something, and says its bullshit right after, in the same post. That means he should know he should delete it in the first place, but he doesn't make the connection to actually do it. I don't know why you still go on about this, I've explain all this already. I get the feeling you have a personal grudge against for some unfathomable reason. You accuse me of lurking, then you lurk the shit out of the thread. You say I argue with Sideni for too long - I agree on that, but as soon as I try to stop, Hapahauli jumps up and yells at me for being "shitty" for not arguing any more. I have a question for you: If Sideni gets lynched, what information will you get out of the flip, and how will it reflect on me?
Well that would depend on his flip. What do you want me to say? If he is scum you are probably scum trying to distance yourself from him with these big arguments with nothing in them. If he is town you are either town or scum, I'll make that decision base don your play. It might be a slight point in the favour of town for you. That is what I would take from his flip.
On August 11 2012 04:29 Hapahauli wrote:
To be honest, I'm shocked at how little attention that Axero is getting. He's laying low and has demonstrated some clear anti-town behavior. Some players have mentioned having suspicions of him, but no one has so much as FOS'd him.
Go with me a bit here:
If Axero was town, wouldn't he be a REALLY EASY MISLYNCH FOR MAFIA? Why has NO ONE voted for him? I'm inclined to think that his mafia buddies are covering for him!
Since you are the only one with a case on the guy no, I don't think he would be an easy mislynch. I agree with your case and I find his play scummy, I'd even be willing to vote him to avoid a no lynch. I don't think he would be any easier a mislynch than half the people in this game, you just have the confirmation bias of feeling your case on him is incredibly strong. It has valid points but it isn't a 100% thing.
On August 11 2012 05:05 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:02 Axero wrote:
I do at the moment, but I'm starting to reconsider. At the end of the day if discussion on mkfuba07 doesnt start between everyone, my one vote isn't going to mean anything if I decide to change. The only way townies have power is together. This is majority lynch. Every vote counts - especially since we have to secure 7 votes on one player by the end of the day.
I think that is what Axero was saying by "The only way townies have power is together."
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On August 11 2012 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Given the rest of his play so far, I consider it a null tell. He has a well-written case on Lvdr on the table as well as a vote. I'm not a fan of his relative silence, but I don't consider it all that suspicious given his standing case on Lvdr.
So if Axero just voted on you instead of FoS'ing you, and then went afk for the rest of day 1, you wouldn't have a problem with him?
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On August 11 2012 05:14 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Given the rest of his play so far, I consider it a null tell. He has a well-written case on Lvdr on the table as well as a vote. I'm not a fan of his relative silence, but I don't consider it all that suspicious given his standing case on Lvdr. So if Axero just voted on you instead of FoS'ing you, and then went afk for the rest of day 1, you wouldn't have a problem with him?
How the hell did you go and reason that one? If Axero managed to write a decent case on me and vote me, I wouldn't be suspicious of him.
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Mkfuba isn't here and I don't like it. But why only push him? There are a tonne of lurkers this game. Why are you tunneling one when Shady has been an active lurker, Kronen has barely posted, GK is "the champion lurker"
Why focus on just one of them?
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On August 11 2012 05:15 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2012 05:14 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 11 2012 05:12 Hapahauli wrote:
Given the rest of his play so far, I consider it a null tell. He has a well-written case on Lvdr on the table as well as a vote. I'm not a fan of his relative silence, but I don't consider it all that suspicious given his standing case on Lvdr. So if Axero just voted on you instead of FoS'ing you, and then went afk for the rest of day 1, you wouldn't have a problem with him? How the hell did you go and reason that one? If Axero managed to write a decent case on me and vote me, I wouldn't be suspicious of him.
Okay, fair enough.
It just seems that half your case is because he suspected you, is all.
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I have four points on him, only one of which relies on his suspicions on me. As it stands, he still lurked until he was called out, he's been pushing idle suspicions, sheeped on the Lvdr vote, and used newbiness as an excuse not to do analysis.
Hell he pretty clearly hasn't been reading the thread and has been pushing uninformed points. You take a lot of contention with this with Sideni, but for some reason, you ignore all the instances that Axero does:
1) Axero calls the interaction between me and YourHarry some sort of "bussing" strategy when its clear that no suspicions were flying between us.
2) Axero thought I was getting married (just like Sideni)
3) Axero has openly admitted not reading the thread.
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You're taking all 3 of those points out of context also.
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and you are posting a lot of useless one liners that do nothing for town. Just saying.
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EPT
