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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 11 2012 23:59 GMT
#946
I actually have a bit to say about the Kronen NK - post incoming when I finish dinner.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:10 GMT
#950
Well here's the deal - killing Kronen was a HUUUUUUGE risk given our confirmed townie pool. Of ShadySands, YourHarry, and mkfuba07, one of them being scum, who could get away with killing Kronen?

The answer is ShadySands. He's the only guy without serious suspicion on him.

Let me go back here:

1) Part of me doubts that Promethelax (as hypothetical mafia) would so willingly exonerate a non-confirmed townie by including him in a list with two almost-confirmed townies (me and Dandel Ion). Given Shady's instant FOS against Promethelax after I posted my suspicions, Promethelax could have name-dropped Shady in order to get him as far through the game as possible, "confirming" his scumbuddy as townie. I consider this not likely, but possible


I now consider this THE MOST POSSIBLE and my leading theory.

ShadySands and Promethelax scumteam.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:12 GMT
#951
Why else would Promethelax make such a big deal about including ShadySands in his suspicion list?

Secondly, I believe there's a good case to be made against ShadySands even if Promethelax doesn't flip red.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:19 GMT
#956
Howabout this Shady - find me someone on my "confirmed townie list" that I should suspect over you.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:23 GMT
#960
Would anyone be up for voting for a 24-hour day? I can try to arrange this with a mod, since we all seem to be on the "lynch Promethelax" train.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:24 GMT
#964
On August 12 2012 09:23 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 09:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Howabout this Shady - find me someone on my "confirmed townie list" that I should suspect over you.


So you're going to push a lynch on me unless I accuse someone with towncred?


Well you suggested that the 3rd scum could be on my "confirmed townie list," and right now, I have no reason to suspect anyone on that list over you. I will push a lynch against you unless you can convince me otherwise.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:37 GMT
#966
On August 12 2012 09:29 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 09:24 Hapahauli wrote:
On August 12 2012 09:23 Shady Sands wrote:
On August 12 2012 09:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Howabout this Shady - find me someone on my "confirmed townie list" that I should suspect over you.


So you're going to push a lynch on me unless I accuse someone with towncred?


Well you suggested that the 3rd scum could be on my "confirmed townie list," and right now, I have no reason to suspect anyone on that list over you. I will push a lynch against you unless you can convince me otherwise.


I don't have anyone. But it's not my obligation to come up with a counterlynch if I'm to defend myself from a lynch--that's how OMGUS wars start, and given that I'm already on a suspicion list, why would I help scum by doing that? I simply stated that your logic doesn't make sense, and I'm asking you to come up with a better explanation.

Here's the thing--if I'm on the shortlist with Kronen, mkfuba, and YourHarry, why would I make that list even shorter? Your assumption rests on your belief that no one has suspicion on me, which is flat out disproven by numerous posts in the thread itself. So what's your logic?


Process of elimination. Of the three people; ShadySands, Mkfuba, and YourHarry, you're the only one that makes sense. I'll build a case on you tomorrow morning. I have no reason to suspect anyone out of those three people in the game.

If you give me a reason to suspect someone else - I'm willing to listen. You seem to be strongly indicating that someone on the confirmed townie list is mafia. TELL ME WHO. If you're not willing to scumhunt, please sit quietly and get lynched.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:39 GMT
#967
Also, CLAIM if you've been roleblocked
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:47 GMT
#969
Don't worry, I have a case on you that will statisfy your diet for "scumhunting." I eagerly await your fingerpointing.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:52 GMT
#972
Workin on it, chill.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:54 GMT
#973
And don't think I'll forget about my previous questions to you. Give me someone on my "confirmed townie list" that I should suspect. I don't need a formal case for now, just a name and rationale.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 00:57 GMT
#974
As far as I'm concerned, you're scared of posting a name because you don't want to scumhunt.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#975
My Case against Shady Sands

Cliffnotes:
1) ShadySands was the only resistance against the GK lynch
2) ShadySands early Night 1 Actions
3) Shady Sands does Jack Shit Day 1
4) Shady's Thoughts on Axero
5) Promo/Shady connection



Shady Sands Resistance against the GK lynch

When Lvdr, Dandel Ion, and I start the effort to lynch GK at the end of Day 1, I posted the below quote as a call to action.
On August 11 2012 07:36 Hapahauli wrote:
LET's ALL VOTESWITCH TO GOODKARMA

Sideni and Lvdr are BAAAD townies! GoodKarma has not stuck his neck out, has tunneled suspicion on Axero and Sideni (easy targets), he hasn't made an original case or provided original analysis, and his play has been waaaaay too clean so far - Day 1 has been INSANE, there's no way people should be this clean!


Even without hindsight, the logic is there no? My main point is GK's lack of analysis and sheeping. Yet Shady turns around and posts this:

On August 11 2012 07:41 Shady Sands wrote:Wait you guys are doing a last minute pile on GoodKarma because his play is too clean? What?


Huh what? He ignores my bolded point and focuses on the least important part of my logic! In addition, Shady Sands is the only force against the GK lynch, and does so in a way that twists my wording and logic.

Then he has a sudden change in sentiment:
On August 11 2012 07:41 Shady Sands wrote:
I'd be willing to do the pile too, but sometime in the next twenty minutes could someone please recap a case on GoodKarma?


All of a sudden after objecting to the lynch, he turns around and now is open minded? Shady first twists the case against GK, then keeps his options open. The resistance followed by the sudden flip-flop is scummy behavior.



Shady's Early Night 1 Actions
On August 11 2012 11:25 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 08:34 Lvdr wrote:
I'm on my phone, so I cannot start a real case, but shady will be my first target tomorrow. His vote looks pretty suspicious right now.


Note that I reconfirmed my vote on you even after people hit the 6 votes necessary to lynch GK. If I was really scum, why would I do that? This post just reeks of OMGUS.

That being said, great job town on wagoning the bastard. I'll admit, I thought his posting was similar to his XXII meta (where he was town), so I didn't think he looked that scummy.

In terms of confirmed townies, I'm going to say that Hapa is almost for sure confirmed now, since it's very unlikely scum would bus the GF on D1 (at most they would bus a goon.) By the same logic, the first guy to vote for GK, Lvdr, should also be cleared.

Hapa, Lvdr, what are your top reads going into D2?


Interesting right? He declare two obvious confirmed townies, then asks them a question about who their top reads are? Townies would have taken the opportunity to scumhunt here. ShadySands is "taking the temperature" of the situation - no one has a 2nd scumread, and he doesn't want to scumhunt. He wants to see what the town knows as opposed to scumhunting.

On August 11 2012 13:38 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 13:26 YourHarry wrote:
Yes, Hapa, I will give you what you want. Soon enough. Let me finish reading first.

I clearly outlined why I thought Lvdr and Axero was town. Lvdr in particular felt like he was being coached. Just because you and many others found them suspicious, does not mean that town Harry would have found them suspicious as well.

One thing I found suspicious about Promothelax was that he indiscreetly asked the mod what the rules were on encryption. It was almost as if he wanted to show the townies that he was a power role and he wanted to leave bread crumbs. Realistically, no power role would do that in fear that he will be targeted by the scums. This is especially the case because such alignment-sensitive questions could be asked via PM.


I just read that encryption rules post from Prome. There are three possibilities, which are all plausible:

1) He's scum, trying to fake blue
2) If he hasn't rolled blue before, this could be a legitimate question (although putting it in the open thread is a little wierd)
3) He's a vet trying to bait a NK

1 and 3 are the likeliest--3 being most likely, ironically enough, because scum Prom in XXI was easily much smarter and more discreet with his posts.


In this post, Shady Sands soft defends Promethelax despite having an FOS on him. Again, strange, mafia-oriented behavior. I think Shady Sands is bussing Promethelax, more on this later




Shady does Jack Shit Day 1

This will be a short section, because Shady literally does nothing Day 1. He's lurky, he doesn't post any cases, and he soft defends a bunch of players under suspicion while tunneling Lvdr. Townies don't think like this.



Shady Sands on Axero

On August 10 2012 20:38 Shady Sands wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 10 2012 14:10 Hapahauli wrote:
You just got sniiiiiped Shady xD

What do you think about my case on Axero?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=29#565


I like points 1 and 2. Point 3 is mostly OMGUS and Point 4 is kind of irrelevant.

Here's my read on Axero:

The guy talks a lot about what scum might or might not do. This doesn't read to me as scum play, but it's not pro-town either, as doing this helps scum plan what to do to look town. My advice to Axero is to shape up his posting. I don't think it deserves a lynch.
...


His logic makes no sense. He likes points 1 and 2 (indicating support for Axero's scummy behavior), and then thinks Axero is bad town? This is mafia mentality - townies do not think like this; if a townie agreed with these points, a townie would have cast suspicion on Axero.



The Shady/Promethelax Connection
NOTE: Do not take this section too seriously unless Promethelax flips red. My other evidence should stand for itself

After Shady probes me and Lvdr for scumreads, he immediately FOS's promethelax. I think this is a bussing attempt. In the event of a Shady/Promethelax scumteam, this is their only option to survive - sacrifice Promethelax while putting Shady in the best possible position to mislynch a couple of bad non-confirmed townies.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=45#899
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874&currentpage=47#928

In these two posts, Promethelax mentions me, Dandel Ion, and ShadySands as his top mafia suspects. Two confirmed townies and an unconfirmed townie... interesting right? This plays to the Shady/Promethelax scumteam trying to establish Shady as pro-town as possible so he can survive 3 mislynches.

As I mentioned earlier:

Part of me doubts that Promethelax (as hypothetical mafia) would so willingly exonerate a non-confirmed townie by including him in a list with two almost-confirmed townies (me and Dandel Ion). Given Shady's instant FOS against Promethelax after I posted my suspicions, Promethelax could have name-dropped Shady in order to get him as far through the game as possible, "confirming" his scumbuddy as townie.





ShadySands is mafia. His actions before and after the GK lynch were strange, and he's displaying mafia-mentality. There's also plenty of evidence to suggest the Promethelax/ShadySands scumteam.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 02:45 GMT
#976
Also, since I'm expecting Promethelax to come in to the thread and keep spouting the "Me + Dandel Ion" scumteam nonsense...

On August 12 2012 08:20 Hapahauli wrote:
So humor me Promethelax - How does me bussing GK make sense? Why would I bus the godfather who had zero suspicion on him? Also, why on earth would GK consent to getting bussed given the lack of suspicion on him.

If you can answer these questions coherently, I'll take you seriously.


@ Promethelax - Respond to this post. If you do not address this post, don't bother responding at all.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#977
Is there any way we can have a 24 hour day today? Can the town vote on a 24-hour day in light of the near unanimous suspicion against Promethelax?

If so,

##Vote Promethelax
##Vote 24-Hour Day
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 03:26 GMT
#978
Regarding the 24-Hour Day, my rational is thus: everyone suspects Promethelax of being mafia. Nothing that Promethelax can say will convince us otherwise. We will not be able to have a productive discussion of mafia #3 (or mafia #2, if Promethelax somehow flips green) until Promethelax is dead.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 14:49 GMT
#981
In Newbie XXII, something like that was started and the hosts asked people to PM them. As for the voting - as long as we don't use voting as "evidence" against someone, I don't think it matters.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 14:54 GMT
#982
On August 12 2012 22:03 Dandel Ion wrote:
@24-hour-day
While the lynch is clear TODAY, I don't know about the next one. Yeah, some people already decided on the third scum, just depending on Prome's scum flip, but I haven't.
Maybe it could be easy and we'll get it over with quickly. But we might also miss something.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love for today (day 2) to be shortened, but I'm not so sure if I want 24-hour-days permanently.


Oh this is JUST for Day 2! Not permanently - we'll definetly need the extra time to find #3. I still think it's Shady.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 15:29 GMT
#985
@ Sideni - I completely agree with you on Promethelax - I don't think there's much to say except that everyone finds him incredibly scummy. As for mkfuba, I have a town read on him for this:


...
I need to rest at this point, but my quick reads on the other three:

YourHarry: His main focus seems to have been telling me I'm too good at being town. He gave me far more pressure than I imagined I'd get from the whole thread on these two posts. His attempt to turn my pro-town plans into evidence of scummy fabrication is annoying, and defending my reads against these attempts is distracting me from other matters, but I can't tell if it's scummy.
Kronen: His vote timing, as well as Shady's, send off some alarms in my head. If they were the remainder of the scumteam, then they sure slipped in right at the nick of time. I was working on this line of reasoning when I realized that I wasn't going to be able to keep my eyes open long enough to make it through. I'll flush it out in the morning.
Promethelax: The most notable thing about Promethelax to me is how little I've thought about Promethelax. I'll go through his filter when I've rested. It takes me forever to analyze things, and I couldn't start a filter from scratch right now.


After I ask him for his opinions on the other non-confirmed players, he gives a bunch of null-reads. Mafia wouldn't post this - in this situation, mafia needs to get as much towncred as possible in light of the information gained on Day 1.

Regarding my case on Shady Sands -

I think your objections against Night 1 are valid, and can be interpreted otherwise, however, given the context of his play, I find the explanations I gave of his actions very likely.

If Promethelax somehow doesn't flip red, Shady Sands would be my top mafia suspect still. I find his behavior near the D1 lynch deadline scummy, and IMO, him "taking the temperature of the town" then immediately FOS'ing a hypothetical townie Promethelax would make him look even worse.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
August 12 2012 15:32 GMT
#987
poop.
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