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On August 07 2012 00:57 aRyuujin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:53 DarthPunk wrote:
EBWOP: It is pretty obvious to me that if something that happened to you has also happened to another, you are both town. or the most meta WIFOM ever is going on. It's not obvious to me. Why don't you spell it out for those of us who have 'retarded cases'? I still don't understand why scum me + ange would pull that play of the double mislynch. After one mislynch, wouldn't we be super suspicious?
UGH WIFOM. doesn't mean shit. please avoid at all costs.
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On August 07 2012 01:09 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:05 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:04 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag. Huge scum slip, for anyone who missed it: "regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I". He's been arguing that we're both town, so how does that statement make sense? One of us will be lynched. therefore one of us will flip green. Honestly. No, in context it implies one of us wouldn't. And the one who's less likely, as I've already demonstrated, is you. Of course, all the people who claim to have liked my play in XXI should remember, this is what I did there, too. Spark controversy, discussion. Tunnel a bit. Watch and wait for slips. It was just harder to get into stride due to the way I replaced in. It doesn't always work, but when it does, it's pretty blatant.
That is far from a blatant slip. If you have 2 greens and one flips. then which one has flipped green? whichever one of them flipped green.
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On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up.
It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection.
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On August 07 2012 01:18 Shady Sands wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2012 01:04 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 00:52 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 00:50 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 20:09 DarthPunk wrote:On August 06 2012 18:29 aRyuujin wrote:
Please read the thread, instead of ignoring it and complaining :D
-What do you think about Alan?
-Are Ange and I the scum?
-Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?
-Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?
-Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?
-What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?
-Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussion
-Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?
-What do you think about Alan?My position on alan is dependent on the flips of others. He may be scum but at this point everything is so intertwined that I am unsure completely If You and Ange are not scum I think Alan and/or a whole host of others are sitting back laughing whilst watching townies kill each other. he is along with others potentially scum. we have 1 confirmed town. That is SHADY. -Are Ange and I the scum?I think you could very likely be a scum team. yes. -Why are we better reads than Jingle, etc.?Because of the way that you have both aggresively tunneled me whilst ignoring my defense and by doing so with rather weak cases. Ange777 has laid traps for myself and jingle etc. Your posting has become very different since being accused and you have only really posted when pursuing my mislynch. there are a plurality of additional reasons in my filter which I have already addressed. -Why did you post 5x in a row without any content?This is not a question this is a leading question. i.e. you make a statement and pose it as a question. The answer is however, that I was posting in response to things as I read through the thread. It is easier for me to process information that way it seems. As to why they had no content. They were addressing posts attacking me, this was their content. If they seemed as if they lacked content, this is probably due to the accusations they were addressing lacking content or you being unable or unwilling to see their content. -Do you have a reason besides "I understand what it's like to be accused" for having a town read on Jingle?That is not the reason. I have very clearly stated the reason I have a town read on jingle. Jingle has been the victim of similar traps that have been attempted on me. If scum ange layed those traps on myself and jingle my reasoning is that both Jingle and I have to be town. -What's your opinion of the passage where you described sheeping Shady as ridiculous?At that point in time I thought it was ridiculous to sheep shady. There were two clear candidates both had cases on them. It was the best play at that time to not wait for (an at that point largely AFK) shady to make a choice and then all sheep him. Many people (including yourself) had not yet been active and it would have been far too easy for scum to hide their votes behind this shady vote. The net knowledge gained would have been less with everyone bandwagoning one candidate. One of the main reasons argued in favour of sheeping shady was that it would prevent a no lynch, which people were certain was going to occur. I knew this would never occur. I was always going to switch my vote to avoid the no lynch. As I have said previously I thought zork MAY be scum but I was CERTAIN mordanis was. Exactly the position of ange with the candidates reversed. I was wrong she was right. It seems as if this is mainly what I am guilty of. All sheeping would have drastically reduced knowledge and discussion going forth, which would have been anti town. At this point the situation is drastically different and thus like many others have stated they would put their vote with the confirmed town. It seems you only have a problem with it if I do it. -Address the 'Jingle is easier than you' discussionAgain? Jingle is almost AFK and a far easier lynch. If you mislynch him and then try to mislynch me it is far more difficult for you then the other way around. Because your townie cred would have reduced following his mislynch. If you blow all your townie cred mislynching me Jingle would still be far easier to get a lynch on considering his current posting. -Why haven't you moved town forward in your last ~30 posts?Why haven't you?....... I am under constant attack. I have explained myself endlessly and yet I still recieve attacks that are just rehashed cases I have already addressed. Also the longer this goes. The bigger the hole you both dig for yourself when I flip green. You may say that me dragging this out is my way of catching the scum. The post in which I explain why I think jingle is town is in here. I don't see why it is difficult for you to believe. anyway regardless of who flips green out of jingle and I. can someone please lynch the ange train. then we have this in the bag. You say in your post above two things to justify your Jingle town read: 1) Jingle is AFK and an easy lynch 2) Jingle is the victim of similar traps that have been placed on you. Point 1 doesn't make sense. Point 2 is too general. What traps have been placed on Jingle AND you? Point to is the relevant point to this situation I think. Ange777 tried to lay a trap on jingle the first day Jingle called her on it and that was that was the beginning of their argument. Ange777 then tried to connect jingle and zork BEFORE ZORK FLIPPED RED due to jingle attacking ange777. even though this started hours before hand this was trap 2 At this same time. Ange kept trying to bait reasons why I thought her case was weaker than mine. She then turns this around and calls me out for soft defending zork. even though she initiated the discussion. Trap 1 She then several times today in this thread asked me leading questions and then immediately takes the answers SHE SOUGHT FOR and used them as EVIDENCE. trap trap trap. the same pattern between myself and jingle of setting up predictable responses to leading questions and then using the answers as EVIDENCE. jingle called her out on it immediately. I was stupid enough to fall for it. But if I am being trapped by ange777 and jingle is. then it stands to reason that we are both town. I am tired and it may not have come out well. but this is all in my filter. which is why I wanted people to read it before making claims that have been covered at length. Let me break this down for you: Show nested quote +Ange777 tried to lay a trap on jingle the first day Jingle called her on it and that was that was the beginning of their argument What was the trap? What did Jingle say to call her out? It is in his filter.. Show nested quote +Ange777 then tried to connect jingle and zork BEFORE ZORK FLIPPED RED due to jingle attacking ange777. even though this started hours before hand this was trap 2
This is called reading a "Chainsaw defense", where when someone defends a scum by attacking their attacker is probably also scum themselves. [ b]Yes normally but this so called chainsaw defense started HOURS BEFORE ANGE MADE HER CASE ON ZORK so either she believes jingle predicted ahead of time that she would post a case on zork or she drew a connection that wasn't there. Show nested quote +At this same time. Ange kept trying to bait reasons why I thought her case was weaker than mine. She then turns this around and calls me out for soft defending zork. even though she initiated the discussion. Again, reading a chainsaw defense. not a chainsaw defenseShow nested quote +Trap 1
She then several times today in this thread asked me leading questions and then immediately takes the answers SHE SOUGHT FOR and used them as EVIDENCE. trap trap trap. That's not trapping, that's good townie work. Answering questions shouldn't automatically exonerate you of guilt. If the questions generate the same answers regardless of if the person is scum or town.That is not good townie work that is Scum work.Show nested quote +the same pattern between myself and jingle of setting up predictable responses to leading questions and then using the answers as EVIDENCE. jingle called her out on it immediately. I was stupid enough to fall for it. But if I am being trapped by ange777 and jingle is. then it stands to reason that we are both town. That's not called setting up a predictable response. That's more akin to approaching the situation with a hypothesis. Basically, after Ange's brave read and lynch on Zork, I'm almost 99% certain that he (she? not sure) is town. [/b]
Fine, but if it was a bus. you will know that when I flip green and you can lynch ange777 and aRyuujin.
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On August 07 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up. It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection. I'm desperate? When I finally cave and stop being resigned to watching town self destruct and defend myself after literally everyone asks me to? You're the one who's becoming increasingly frantic.
I know better than to try and alter your convictions when you have something stuck in your head. So i will leave it at I agree to disagree.
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OK, I need to sleep and as it seems certain I will be lynched. Some reads before I go.
Ange777 may not be 100% scum she may just be over confident after the zork lynch. so as we only have 2 mislynches to play with don;t automatically revenge lynch her, despite what I have been saying.
aRyuujin. seems scum to me. Or really OMGUS/ WIFOM/ tunnel to the death town.
Jingle. Even though he is being Jingle at me right now. 100% town. well after that scumslip BS maybe 90%
alan133. doesn't say much. perfect scum IMO never says anything out of the status quo, always protects himself from backlash etc. really surprised there has been no focus on him.
Shady Sands. What can I say. you seem nice. too bad you don't see things my way. No hard feelings hopefully you change your mind after my flip
Goodkarma. rational about me today. thanks. there is hope for us yet!
Ok think thats it.
GLHF!
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On August 07 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:30 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up. It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection. I'm desperate? When I finally cave and stop being resigned to watching town self destruct and defend myself after literally everyone asks me to? You're the one who's becoming increasingly frantic. I know better than to try and alter your convictions when you have something stuck in your head. So i will leave it at I agree to disagree. Why are you doing this for JingleHell, but spent so much time arguing against aRyuujin and Ange? If you're convinced that aRyuu and Ange are scum, then shouldn't you be abandoning/ignoring them, and trying to persuade JingleHell?
Because I have read this game, His previous game. and the tech support forum. I tried to reason with him. But he won't have it. although it is somewhat suspicious. I am more suspicious of the guys getting me lynched. Right?
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EBWOP. Also don;t misread me arguing with Ange/aRyuujin as trying to convince them. They will not be convinced it seems. It was a good method for getting as much info as possible into the open so people could make their own minds up. I wish people will read my filter. Maybe it is too long.
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On August 07 2012 01:54 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2012 01:50 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:40 Shady Sands wrote:On August 07 2012 01:30 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:20 JingleHell wrote:On August 07 2012 01:18 DarthPunk wrote:On August 07 2012 01:15 JingleHell wrote:
Misdirection. In context, it suggests that one of us would flip red. Of course, the one who will is you. It's also just one more shred of evidence, along with everything else that's piled up. It does nothing of the sort, you are creating something that isn't there. you are obviously desperate to avoid a lynch. so I can forgive you for manufacturing scumslips from thin air. and then stubbornly calling the actual meaning misdirection. I'm desperate? When I finally cave and stop being resigned to watching town self destruct and defend myself after literally everyone asks me to? You're the one who's becoming increasingly frantic. I know better than to try and alter your convictions when you have something stuck in your head. So i will leave it at I agree to disagree. Why are you doing this for JingleHell, but spent so much time arguing against aRyuujin and Ange? If you're convinced that aRyuu and Ange are scum, then shouldn't you be abandoning/ignoring them, and trying to persuade JingleHell? Because I have read this game, His previous game. and the tech support forum. I tried to reason with him. But he won't have it. although it is somewhat suspicious. I am more suspicious of the guys getting me lynched. Right? Uhm, bringing up the Tech Board is probably the worst thing you could do. Seeing as things there tend to be objective right/wrong. Ignoring, of course, the parts where that's not a game, and it's clearly just a desperate ad hom attempt to make me look stubborn. Funny thing, if I'm so damn stubborn, why do my suspicions shift so readily with new information?
your an INTP? honestly jingle i don;t know you at all. these are just based off my perceptions of you. others have had the same perceptions. I am really not in a position to explain your behaviour better than you are. so I don;t know why you would ask me.
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On August 07 2012 02:02 JingleHell wrote:
You're the one accusing me of being stubborn, when it's not corroborated. Yes, in fact, I expect you to be able to justify it without an ad hominem attack based off of something I do elsewhere in the community that's utterly impossible to compare.
I was hardly attacking you. I just cannot be bothered reasoning with you anymore than I already have. I have mentioned I want to go to sleep right. And based off everything I have read of you. you are incredibly difficult to argue with. it is 3.00am and I am done. Everything is in my filter. See you in postgame!
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EBWOP: closing the thread. If you need an answer to a question. it is 90% in my filter. but don;t ask me directly i will not respond. good luck town.
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Well Played town. <3
Golbat: I think that your mislynch was purely down to your indecisiveness in regards to Mordanis. If you are goign to make a vote make sure that you are at least confident enough to not unvote as soon as someone questions you. Overall you seemed nice and I was sorry to see you go.
Mordanis: <3 you were really useful to me this game as my go to scum read. Sorry for tunnelling you but there was always something I could spin. Your reads and thoughts in the qt were a huge improvement from what I saw in the game.
Shady: Gah you were the second most frustrating person this game. Twice it came down to you to simply not switch your vote. With Zork and with me. but you made the right call every time. Well done.
Ange777: You came out of nowhere to carry this game on your back! Easily the best player from zork onwards, but I really didn't view you as a threat before that. I think that the more sure you are in your reads the better you are at arguing them.
I will be very wary of you as scum in the future. (maybe policy NK?)
GoodKarma: You were frustrating for refusing to lynch Mordanis. And then the complete opposite when you were the only player to see my arguments my way. I wish you had been more vocal day 4 maybe then I could have got out of my lynch. 
Obvious.660: I would be really interested to hear what the reason was that you changed your mind on me. You had some correct reads early but your conclusions didn't really come out that way. If you thought alan and I were scum you should have pushed it with a good argument.
JingleHell: Your attitude doesn't do you any favors. Although you knew what I was up to when I foolishly tried to defend you If I had just left you be, you would have earned us a mislynch with no effort on our part. You have good reads and ideas but the way you present them actually reduces their value.
aRyuujin: Hey buddy  . If it wasn't for ange777 I think I could have turned that lynch around onto you instead. Nevertheless It was great that you became active and I enjoyed arguing with you!
Promethelax: You seem really nice and I look forward to rolling town with you in the Future! Sorry for mislynching you. You should read the scum QT where we plan it out, we are all super worried haha. We thought you were the doctor (which in our eyes was confirmed when you said there was a reason for buddying Keir) and we were all really nervous about actively trying to snipe you with a mislynch. I don't think there was enough to lynch you on and if town were playing that day as they played later it would have been different I think.
Keirathi we thought you had a power role and so your NK was a snipe. I thought it was almost confirmed when you were saved. Because not only did I read you as a blue a Townie did. Turns out that was not the case. Early on you were well reasoned and slow to jump on bandwagons and thus were a dangerous player.
Zorkmid: Zork, I think we collectively made bad decisions, It's not your fault we lost. Alan and I should have bussed you night 2 as soon as we saw that slip. Oh Well. I think alot of the miscommunication (not being in the QT that often) came from Malaysia (alan) and Australia (me) being such different Time zones from yours.
alan: You are really good at this game. It's unfortunate you had such incompetent scum buddies and ange to deal with. You are really smart and were essentially my scum coach this game. GG <3
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I think the only 'scum-slip' of the game was zorks to be honest.
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