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On August 01 2012 05:54 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2012 05:51 Keirathi wrote:On August 01 2012 05:26 Ange777 wrote:
But why would buddying up with players be town motivation? There is no way you can know one's alignment for sure until they flip. So by buddying up with someone you are just tying yourself closer to someone whom you don't know if he is town or scum.
It really depends on his flip. If he flips medic and he's the one that made the save last night, I can see him trying to buddy up with who he now knows is a townie without having to specifically claim. But we still don't know whether it was a successful roleblock or medic save therefore I'd say even if he was the medic there could not be 100% assurance that the one he had targeted was townie.
That's true. But I think if I was medic and I saw one power role flip on d1, I would be fairly confident that I was the only one left. Especially since most newbie games that I've seen have only had 2 active roles (although I think one recently, maybe XXI? had 2 active roles and a vet). But you're right, that is purely speculation.
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On August 01 2012 06:13 DarthPunk wrote:
I really don't understand that claim hint in regards to keirathi now.
Me either :o
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gg Prom. Sorry to see you gone.
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On August 01 2012 08:49 marvellosity wrote:
JingleHell replaces MrMedic
Oh god, /terror.
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On August 01 2012 09:56 goodkarma wrote:
Wow... I really can't understand how Prox felt that playing like he played scum in the past, combined with his lack of transparency, would strengthen his town claim. I look forward to hearing his thoughts in the post-game.
@JingleHell: One analysis post and you will have already contributed more than MrMedic has the entire game. I look forward to hearing more from you. Ange is right that inactivity is killing us.
One thing that I will immediately note as suspicious is that many lynch votes this second round were very last-minute. I encourage everyone to look through voting patterns, as I suspect that at least one mafia bandwaggoned for the Prox lynching near the end when it became apparent it might be necessary to secure the lynch. I will be assessing the strength of everyone's Prox lynch arguements, especially for those who stalled their votes until the last minute.
My thoughts on last-minute voting:
If some truely compelling evidence presents itself, a vote can be changed. Lingering around until like one hour before the voting deadline does nothing to demonstrate you believe in your arguements, and denies town access to your position until it can't realistically be considered... Stalling like that definitely isn't in town's best interest.
Like I said near the end of the day, if Prom's scum play was so townie-like, then how would his actual townie play differ? The only thing I could really think of would be the quality of his cases, which did improve compared to scum. I kind of feel bad that he was lynched based on meta arguments that I started. He is legitimately a solid player, and I was overly scared of his prior scum play without a real townie-play (he was townie in MTG, but he wasn't "in his element" so to say) to compare it to.
As far as voting near the end of the day: I know I did that as well, even though my vote was for you, rather than Prom. And that's just because no one was a clear choice. I had enough things to make me suspect multiple people, but nothing "concrete" to make me vote one over the others. Purely indecision.
I will say, though, that had marv not changed the required amount of votes to get a lynch, that I was considering changing my vote to Prom solely to avoid a no-lynch. A no-lynch on day2 would have been pretty terrible, IMO. That's why I said "Mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" after marv posted the rules change: I felt like changing the rules 1 hour before the end of the day took the power out of our (well, specifically MY) hands, and made my decision meaningless. Granted, it wouldn't have mattered anyways with Shady posting his vote just before the deadline, but I didn't like the rule change. I understand why he did it, but I still wish that he wouldn't have.
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On August 01 2012 11:59 Obvious.660 wrote:
If my understanding is correct, a majority of the suspicion about me stems from posting "What the fuck?" not long after the Golbat flip? LOL.
Seriously? Thats the most massive over-generalization I've ever seen. The "What the fuck" point was just icing on the cake. And it wasn't even about what you said, it was when you said it. After saying you didn't think you would be around for the end of the day (but that if you were, you would give some insight), you show up exactly 3 minutes after the flip to admonish the Vig lynch.
For reference as to things about you I find scummy outside of the post-flip timing: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15660499
Since then, you haven't changed my perspective towards you one bit. You have done nothing but tunnel Shady the entire game. The only other "case" you have made at all was the post about alan and Darth here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15662306 . That post says ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You didn't call out anything they did as scummy, nor did you actually commit to a read of them being connected. You just beat around the bush about nothing whatsoever.
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When did I say you were the scummiest player?
What I said was that there were things about you and GK and Prom that I found scummy and I didn't know which one to vote for. I decided GK because I feel really strongly about his day 1 play.
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Argg can't sleep.
On August 01 2012 13:37 Obvious.660 wrote:
If you think I'm scum, then I'm the worst scum in this game. That's the bottom line, because it's obvious.
Well you aren't doing a good job of proving your worth to the town either.
You deflect and dismiss any arguments against you, while simultaneously casting suspicion on whoever makes the accusations. That's not pro-town at all.
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What I mean is, if you are town, MAKE ME BELIEVE IT. Defend your positions/opinions, make logical cases on who you think the scum are, and promote a pro-town environment. Don't continue to do scummy things once someone accuses you.
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On August 02 2012 03:36 Ange777 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 02 2012 03:28 JingleHell wrote:On August 02 2012 03:22 Ange777 wrote:
I have been rereading the entire day 2 conversation in light of Promethelax' alignment and will be posting soon. Your filter is unfortunately the biggest null read at the moment so how about you state your other suspicions? Or are you only suspicious of Shady at the moment? Well, ignoring the fact that I still haven't finished reading all of the thread yet, I personally prefer not to branch out too much at a time. I'd rather get answers to one set of suspicions than dilute the thread with 20 different tangential arguments. Accusing me of being a null read is sort of reasonable, of course, but frankly, all I can do now is either try to make a case on every single person, which would provide some content but look fishy, or wait for enough discussion to happen for people to get a read on me. I have absolutely no idea why anybody with a pro-town mentality would want me to spam a huge pile of clutter trying to make sense out of 600-700 posts simultaneously. At best, trying to make reads on everyone still alive based on discussions I wasn't in for would amount to a lot of WIFOM. I get the not having finished reading all of the thread part. And while I understand that it takes a while to get into a game at the start of night 2, I still believe that you can make good reads on the other players because you haven't been here for the discussion. It makes you unbiased. And looking back at the conversation after a mislynch only considering the flip and not your own judgement may be a plus point for you.
I agree with Ange. You were in Newbie XIX and died before I replaced in, and look at the discussion that my "notes" sparked. I was completely unbiased with them other than knowing who had already died, and it gave me a better insight into each persons actions because I wasn't emotionally invested into the conversations surrounding them.
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I've been kind of busy today, so haven't been able to post much since I got up.
My top suspects right now are Obvious and GK. I've laid out my cases against them already, and they haven't changed much. I'm just letting it be known who I will pursue during the daytime so you can't say I'm being non-committal. I'll have my full cases laid out again sometime tonight.
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Combo!
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rofl Ghost. Nice votecount.
GG town.
Absolutely amazing play from Ange. GJ Shady for stepping up to be a town leader once I died and confirmed you.
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Also <3 Ange for the save :D
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EPT
