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On July 16 2012 12:23 gonzaw wrote: :O Well, at least I guess the spoilers aren't that "shocking" (one guy being fired or a chick getting pregnant or a guy making a deal or whatever the "spoilers" are for this series doesn't seem as shocking as, let's say, a main protagonist getting beheaded and a bunch of people dying or something) so it won't really matter. Don Draper dies at the end of season 1 episode 5. You heard it here first | ||
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E: although the episode # was me trolling | ||
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for that matter I'm Roger fucking Sterling, so suck my dick. | ||
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On August 03 2012 11:41 Erandorr wrote: I am just used to wbg being dead all the time in dota and dont wanna adjust I am just used to you being bad, so I suppose I shouldn't let my expectations run too high. That's probably why they gave me the big room and you got the one with the pillar in it. | ||
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I'm not a mason. I'm Roger Sterling. You guys should know that by now, but then again I don't remember why I hired some of you. | ||
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On August 03 2012 20:50 Erandorr wrote: he also hurt my feelings and made me cry. can we kill him? no worries, I'll be scum when you have feelings worth considering | ||
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On August 03 2012 20:54 Erandorr wrote: any reason why you would out VE as mason this early? I mean thats kind of retarded. Pot calling the kettle black... Let me break this down into simpler terms for you (and I thought that wasn't possible!) 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. | ||
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Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. | ||
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For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. | ||
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I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 | ||
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If you out masons then you pressure them. Zephirdd was 100% correct on why I did it (and if he's scum that was a pretty brilliant play by him). The goal is to distinguish the town masons from the scum masons via their handing of the pressure. Also it has the side effect of scaring mafia masons into potentially not using their roles if they fear they will instantly be outted and put in a small pool of players for scrutiny. | ||
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On August 04 2012 09:04 Erandorr wrote: Nvm read your convenient pm <3 If you want to continue tunneling me, go ahead and waste your time. I'll be in my office drinking my milk. Otherwise help me get rid of that grush fool who hasn't learned yet that his place is in the elevator and not the accounts department. | ||
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On August 04 2012 12:05 slOosh wrote: Ok I'm gonna say some stuff now. People who are "baiting" - I'm not totally familiar with the term but it seems like it is an easy way to explain away suspicious behavior. This stops now. That sort of stuff belongs in PM-land if at all, and I want it out of my thread. @talis: Stop it with the interest in flavor - you are spamming up the thread and if you are town you are doing a terrible job. A whole 24hrs into the day and all I have from you is "Ok with policy lynching". I will push for your lynch before a policy lynch. Proper organized thoughts on actual scum targets rather than screwing around. @WBG: He was town in LV. In either case I'd think him more vig rather than lynch material, and in a town like this where activity is the main problem (opposed to spamming), he won't do much damage. Do you not like any of the other possible lynch candidates brought up so far? I also want some current thoughts on prplhz - talk on him ended up getting buried and I have no interest in cutting him slack when he hasn't shown anything worth cutting slack for. LVI, whatever that game was. The game in which I kept saying let's kill grush because he's trolling and no one killed him. | ||
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Why should we resort to trusting a vig to shoot grush? How do we even know if we have a vig? This sort of stuff really pisses me off, because it delays the inevitable. | ||
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On August 04 2012 18:51 strongandbig wrote: man bugs you can do better than this. what, did you forget that VE and I were in wheel of fortune too? Ace's Scum 101: get town to lynch people for being bad rather than for being scum. I mean, I may be bad but I'm not stupid. Playing like Ace only works when you're Ace and always play like Ace. Town wbg would realize that this logic is terrible. Town wbg wouldn't give multiple different explanations for outing masons on day 1 without discussing it with them and without participating with the town discussion of whether masons should claim. (for reference, those explanations were "because VE and I are good and this way medics might medic us", and "to pressure the masons") Town wbg wouldn't try to lead a lynch on a bad player just for being bad, without making a case, etc. This isn't town wbg. ##vote: wherebugsgo Number 1: I did not give multiple explanations for outting the masons. I gave one. I don't see how you asserting that I gave multiple explanations is an indication that I did. Secondly, I don't give a fuck about mason discussion in this game because it's a waste of time. Masons can claim and it has absolutely no bearing on their alignment. This isn't like the setups I run where claiming actually matters significantly because they're almost certainly confirmed town. Third, how is being a mason not being alignment indicative (a fucking fact of the setup) "terrible logic"? Fourth, there is absolutely something wrong with you if you think I am a better lynch than grush. Grush is playing to his LVI meta. If you don't care to read LVI, then you can continue being bad. Also, I'm not voting grush for being bad. He's going to be bad regardless of his alignment, but I've already pointed out how as town he doesn't actually troll this hard, unless he's somehow become even worse than he already was. | ||
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On August 04 2012 19:41 Erandorr wrote: Yes. Thank you Strongandbig. I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying. Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation. As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum. The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players. That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere. Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum. I'm discrediting your arguments BECAUSE THEY'RE WRONG. | ||
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All his posts since then have simply affirmed that. | ||
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On May 28 2012 01:02 grush57 wrote: Cool. Okay, getting 3 out of 5 mafia right isn't an achievement. In LIV, I predicted a lot of the mafia aswell even though I was the "scum mvp" Really, right now with 24 townies and NO solid cases you are confident to hit a scum? Go back to Irk. and LVI (scum) On July 05 2012 02:21 grush57 wrote: YES LETS SHEEP A USELESS PLAYER THAT WILL GIVE US TOWNIES NO INFO AND WASTE A WHOLE CYCLE. U CRAY CRAY. oR MAYBE YOUR SCUM. HMM HMMHMHMHMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMMHMHMHMHMHMHMHMH All you have to think, and scum will fall! ##Unvote: Vivax ##Vote: Twelve | ||
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Just lynch me. ##unvote ##vote wherebugsgo I'm not even kidding, this is a waste of my time. I know I have said that it's a priority for townies to establish their innocence d1 and all that. However, if you actually agree with him that I am scum then there is no way I will be relieved of suspicion at any point in this game. If I catch scum, you will say I bussed them because I am good at scum. If I don't catch scum, then I will be lynched for not catching scum. Just kill me now and get it over with so that we're all happier for it. | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:42 Toadesstern wrote: It's kinda hard to fogure out what you're talking about when talking about Erandorr all the time and him being stupid without knowing what you're talkinga bout. Just saying. in PMs. also, think about this: Erandor's entire case against me hinges on me publicly outting mafia masons (as a scum tactic.) If I were scum and I knew VE and Erandorr were town masons why wouldn't I just privately tell my team instead of posting to the thread? | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:50 strongandbig wrote: oh yeah and the answer to your bolded question at the end of your last post is: 1. because VE is good enough to breadcrumb who he masons, and you publicly announcing it gives you cover to kill him without revealing that you're scum. (ie, if you just killed him we would look through his filter, find his breadcrumb, and kill you.) 2. For the same reason you want us to be talking about grush and killing him for his first post not being good: to leave town in a state of disorganized confusion. 1. I could out him as my buddy after I killed him if I was scum. In fact that's what any townie would do in the case that the guy who masoned him died. It's completely indistinguishable regardless of alignment. Your argument falls apart when you realize that Occam's Razor favors my side over yours. Your argument is convoluted as shit. It involves breadcrumbs when it doesn't need to. If you have to resort to that kind of argument then clearly you're stretching. 2. Killing grush doesn't disorganize town, it gets rid of some guy who's going to do nothing but troll anyway. Since his mafia meta is to troll, clearly you kill two birds with one stone. On August 04 2012 20:48 strongandbig wrote: Yeah you did. First you said it was so mafia would have to wifom over whether to shoot you and VE, then you said it was to pressure VE. These aren't two different explanations. It's ONE explanation with THREE parts (one which you missed, btw.) It would be suspicious if I went back and said "no that's not what I meant, I meant THIS" because then I would be flip flopping. Having multiple reasons for something being good is simply an indication of it being...well, good. You can argue semantics but from a scumhunting perspective it only matters if your target changed his explanation. If the explanation hasn't changed then there's nothing wrong. So, for clarity's sake (in other words, for you jubjubs 1. Outting the masons pressures them. My number one goal was to distinguish town and scum masons. Pressuring them is the fastest way to do that. 2. If the mason is indeed town then it gives medics a good target to protect (particularly VE if he is town; he can play well as town, although as of late I think he's been sucking) which means mafia are wary of shooting them. They can take a chance of doublestack, both bad for them. 3. Lastly if the mason is town then it discourages mafia masons from using their power in fear of being publicly outted and scrutinized among a small pool of players. Sucks to be in the spotlight as scum. On August 04 2012 20:48 strongandbig wrote: That's not the part that's wrong. The part that's wrong is "therefore outting a mason is rather worthless." This is probably just you not understanding what I was saying because of my carelessness with the sentence. Possessing the role of mason in this game says nothing about your alignment. Therefore, if I out someone as a mason it doesn't tell anyone anything about whether they are town or mafia (therefore the act itself is worthless in terms of determining their alignment.) What is important, though, is their reaction to the pressure. On August 04 2012 20:50 strongandbig wrote: Erandorr's case has jack shit to do with why I think you're scum. jack shit. That's okay, since your thought process is just as bad and wrong as his. Yeah well fuck you very much too. Seriously after how pissed you got at RoL for trolling bureaucracy mafia, and now you're trying to get us to think you're a self-voting pissed townie? I don't buy it. (also playing against wincon etcetera.) Given how much you want to lynch me, then you should welcome the help. No matter what I do, you're going to call me scum. That's a given, because you're using the worst logic I've ever seen to call me scum, and Erandorr in particular won't stop tunneling me. Thus, given my reputation as a scum player (in particular) I will always be a lynch candidate. Is it playing against my wincondition? No, actually. If I'm always going to be a lynch candidate and if my lynch is going to take up all the discussion space then it's actually BENEFICIAL to town to kill me right here, right now. Why? Because then you can stop wasting time and For the record both grush and prplhz are 95% scum to me. | ||
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On August 04 2012 21:00 Toadesstern wrote: because outing masons, no matter of alignment will make you a topic in the discussion. You're not the guy who's scared of being in the light as mafia at all. You want to be in the light and manipulate people. Outing both will probably be considered a bold move by most people who don't know you that well. Looking at the playerfield and the fact that mafia has 2KP while there are only VERY few people in this game who I'd consider to be vets I'd say it looks like a pretty good strategy for mafia and on top of that something mafia-Bugs would like to do. Especially if there was talk about wether or not we should claim being masoned. At the same time I don't think Town-WBG would do that. Your move did not bring VE in the spotlight, neither did it bring Eran in the spotlight. Yeah Eran is a topic right now but that's because you and him are having a pissing contest. The only one being in the spotlight because of your claim are you. I know how much you hate it when I do stuff like that as town and you tell me to shut up every time I do something like that. Now you're doing the same thing. I don't think Town-WBG would like something like that AT ALL. I'm in the spotlight because Erandor is bad at this game. It's not because I wanted to be. I wanted to make my reads in peace but Erandorr decided to bring all the baddies out to call me scum. So, I'm forced to defend myself. If I lurk away I get lynched. If I defend myself I get lynched. Why? Because of fucking confirmation bias. | ||
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In fact it's so rampant that all three of you are using town traits to call me scum. That's almost the definition of confirmation bias. You think I'm scum, so even things that should normally indicate town to you somehow magically indicate that I am scum. Things like the mason outting, the multifaceted explanation, the fact that I have a stronger read on grush than prplhz, the spotlight argument (here's a revelation: I'm not omniscient nor clairvoyant): ALL of these arguments point to me being town. Yet, the three of you have used these arguments to call me scum. Just kill me now so that I can be confirmed and so I don't have to waste my time anymore. I've had enough and quite honestly I'm very very close to just getting myself modkilled and taking a ban. | ||
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I'm voting myself to get myself killed, not try to convince any of you that I am town. I amposting because I'm raging at how bad these arguments are. Me voting myself indeed says nothing about my alignment. However there already exist dozens of things that only say "WBG IS FUCKING TOWN". If I actually die though the person who benefits the most is me. Town will benefit if they stop listening to these idiots when I'm gone and scum will benefit if town continues to be retarded. | ||
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I'm at a pretty low bullshit tolerance right now, which is why I raged at him so fucking hard in the PMs. He kept saying mr not coming on skype was an indication of me being scum. I explained it has nothing to do with the game (I've just been busy) so when I came home from lab (this log began at 3 am last night for me) I got on skype to rage at him for being bad in thinking I am scum. I half tried reasoning with him but even in that you can tell he has no interest in thinking I am town. There is no convincing him, therefore I wasted my time. Also I didn't fully mean everything I said. Not everyone in the game is awful. I don't actually think VE is awful, but this case is definitely terrible. SlOosh is probably the only player who has anything close to a legitimate reason (besides me voting myself, that's me forcing you to kill me) So, just kill me. | ||
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Normally I'd be completely fine with some idiot tunneling me but the fact that I'm low on patience coupled with other people agreeing with his terrible reasoning is enough to make me want to not play anymore. Seriously if you think I am scum, when I flip town go read some new player guides. Especially Erandorr, you never do anything in any of the games you sign up for except lurk and complain other people are bad when you are worse than all of them. Then you think so highly of yourself that you are capable of catching me (you aren't) when you don't even know basic scumhunting. Here's a hint: calling me scum every game is not you being able to catch me regardless of what I flipped in the past. It's just you falling head over heels for confirmation bias because you think results make you good. | ||
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On August 05 2012 05:11 strongandbig wrote: jesus fucking christ get over yourself and get over erandorr. if you are town then: - your decision to out the masons without explaining it was terrible - your explanations for it were terrible - your vote on grush was terrible After that I am not going to sit here and take you calling me bad for thinking you're scum. You thinking a difference in opinion makes someone scum = terrible. None of the things you mentioned are remotely bad in the first place. | ||
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I'm going to try and calm down and address this one last time, because the fact that Erandorr is still using it as an argument against me is causing me a brain aneurysm. He says that masons are not alignment indicative, but at the same time forgets to mention that if VE were town, he just gave scum a free rolecheck on one of the important players. That was the bulk of Erandorr's argument: that what I did "did not make sense from a town perspective." So, therefore I am scum. Yet this is a false dichotomy (read: assuming a black and white situation which results in a radical and incorrect conclusion) because even if it doesn't make sense to Erandorr (and I've already expained that it's simply a perspective issue; Erandorr thinks only his opinions are correct, and quite frankly all of his opinions are suboptimal/wrong, hence me calling him bad over and over) it makes even LESS sense from a scum perspective. He never asks the question, does it make sense for me to do what I did as scum? The answer is no, because if I knew that Eran or VE were town then by definition mafia would already know that they are masons by virtue of me being able to pass the information via scum QT. Therefore outting the masons in thread is completely redundant and actually bad as scum. What does this tell us? It tells us that Erandorr is tunneling me for something that isn't a scum tell. It may not make sense to him, in which case it's his problem, not mine, since it just means he's incapable of handling different perspectives. Also with the number of lurkers in this game and given that grush/prpl flipped town, almost anyone can be scum. I feel like scum are very likely to have at least one mason, so it's key we take note who is known to be a mason. When I have more time I'll be doing some rereading. I imagine SnB and Erandorr are going to continue tunneling me because they're incapable of understanding how they are wrong, but I suppose I just have to live with that. | ||
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I can't be as active as I am normally but at the very least I'm more active than most of the players in the game. I won't be staying to my normal standards. If you think I am scum go ahead and try to kill me. However at this point I'm going to stop bothering to defend myself as it's a huge waste of my time. Instead I'm going to try to scumhunt (I didn't do that earlier since I was distracted by Erandorr) | ||
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In addition his argument against prplhz seemed very forced. It was basically "prplhz is fucking up" which is not a reason to call someone scum. The bandwagon was strong (and granted my own read was wrong) but the fact that xsebt's only thoughts on d1 had to do with the two bandwagons makes it seem as if he had no actual opinions of his own, particularly when the comments he actually did make are incredibly weak. Unless something changes drastically my vote is on Xsebt today. ##vote Xsebt | ||
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Who do you think is scum, since prpl/grush were not? | ||
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I agree with his reasons for pressuring Erandorr. However Erandorr is special because as scum he's super lazy. At this point he's giving up unless I die so it may truly be that he is scum, but I find the much more likely explanation to be that Erandorr is town and just wrong. I don't think as scum he'd push the lynch so ridiculously hard especially if his reasons are all terrible. (and at this point he just seems too stubborn to admit it) So, no idea really how to read VE: I've never been good at reading him. Erandorr I definitely think is town. Toad is in the same boat as VE for me. I'm not good at reading him. I still think Xsebt is scum based on the tone of his posts (and he disappeared after I voted him) but with no pressure my read on him hasn't developed. Also based on my read throughs it's really strange how much snb buddies Erandorr. Also note how quickly the VE wagon built up: if he flips town then we should strongly consider examining the players who were on both wagons, and if he flips scum we should consider a bus possibility. (that is, if he ends up dying). I'd rather switch the vote to someone else, though, i'm not about to vote VE. | ||
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You can have fun with the 10 lurkers in this game who are likely to be shielding at least half the scum. Town is fucked. | ||
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If there are reasons Xsebt is town I haven't noticed (such as the RB thing) then ignore him. What has BioSC done? Glasse? BKE? That hopeless guy? Hassy? hier? Synystyr? If you're telling me you don't want to lynch any of these guys then you're not town. If you don't accept that mafia are among or being shielded by these players, then you have no interest in town winning. At the current state of the game, it is unwinnable for town because so many people are unreadable and those who are at least decently unreadable are not willing to do anything about it. By the end of tonight talis is dead if he's town and then there goes 90% of our direction and willingness to do shit. | ||
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Why bother killing an active person when just by being active they're more pro town than most everyone else? | ||
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On August 08 2012 04:39 Toadesstern wrote: I wouldn't consider you that active either. And I already said I'd rather not lynch into vets today and instead prefere a Hassy / broodking / Zentor / bioSC / synystyr / zephirdd lynch but noone else seems to agree with that I don't consider myself active at all. I've already explained why I'm not going to be as active as I am normally. | ||
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on rereading I actually think I agree with talismania's reads. I liked his synystr case and his thoughts on VE are forcing me to rethink. I'll be back in a few. | ||
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Sloosh is much better. | ||
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well hmmm... | ||
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On August 08 2012 05:39 Toadesstern wrote: do you take it back because talis is the one who did although you agreed with it in the first place or are you saying you take it back beceause you didn't read it in the first place, but needed to say something and now that you've read it you realize that town-WBG wouldn't sheep that? Or was it simply a "guys, sloOsh flipped green, he said he doesn't want to lynch me ergo am I town" statement for the sake of stating that you are town? I don't understand what you're asking? | ||
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I could be wrong, sure, but I trust my own opinion over that of someone else's. | ||
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On August 08 2012 06:57 VisceraEyes wrote: Man, slOosh was like, TOTALLY sure I was town. I guess no one finds it...ODD that one of his stronger town-reads just HAPPENS to be one of the lynch candidates today...the day AFTER he's not around to smack the shit out of the wagon leaders HOLY PISS THE WAGON LEADERS ARE SLOOSH'S SCUMREADS WELL TARNATION!! Now that is a coincidence. You know what else is a coincidence? The fact that Erandorr happened to flipflop on me after my read on him and after slOosh flipped town. That's a coincidence too, surely. BUT HEY, KEEP DOIN WHAT YOU'RE DOIN GUYS IT'S WORKING OUT! I PROMISE! even if you're scum, don't try reasoning with these guys. They can't understand the most basic of logic. It's fruitless. | ||
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The above is only mentioned once by WBG. This is how I see it: WBG has been playing on the mafia side often, and wanted to play town for a long time. He now has exams and would like to concentrate on them, instead of playing mafia. CB, however, drags him into this game because of some favour and gives him the town role. WBG gets pissed off because he got the alignment he wanted, but at the worst possible moment. He doesn’t have time to concentrate on mafia and truly let his town skills shine. Further, two people mason him, one of which is Erandorr; the person that very frequently tunnels him in mafia games (stated by him on multiple occasions). This pisses WBG off even further; he didn’t care about this game to begin with, and now has to fend off a barrage of players poking at his brain, against which he cannot show his best town play because he is preoccupied with exams. And as far as I could tell, WBG prizes his reputation as a good mafia player very highly (Mafia 47 wasn’t his best foot). I'm more busy than expected. I wanted to play town, but I didn't want to deal with bs. Day 1 was nothing but bs. Like really, when Erandorr called me scum for the worst reasons possible, when I refuted every single point repeatedly (I was repeating myself over and over) and people sided with him, I had just had enough. I raged at him super hard in PMs because all he was doing was calling me scum in PMs. Like oh look, I think you're scum so I'm going to mason you so I can call you scum in PMs too. There was literally no point to Erandorr masoning me other than to call me scum in PMs, because he had already made his mind up. So there's no convincing someone like that, then the point of the game is gone. On August 08 2012 07:40 strongandbig wrote: ugh whatever going to bed this game is frustrating no one posts and everything is stupid. idk but if erandorr was scum why wouldn't he have moved his vote onto ve it was totally justifiable but its on wbg which doesn't make sense as any alignment but maybe as town he ragequit whereas if he was scum he would have been pretending i think idk fuck it im going to bed why do you think I said "fuck it all" yesterday? No one uses their brain in this game. | ||
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what if Erandorr is town? | ||
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On August 08 2012 11:45 VisceraEyes wrote: As promised...here is a picture of me eating my hat. Or more accurately, the hood of my FAVORITE MARIO BROS HOODIE! I hope you're satisfied. X( + Show Spoiler + LOL <3 VE + Show Spoiler + also as for LoL I've been playing LoL with friends from school here late at nights after coding sessions...mostly otherwise I play dota nowadays though. If you ever wanna play just hit me up On August 08 2012 12:20 BroodKingEXE wrote: Dont lie. Eran outed himself there was no intention for him to get WBG to out him again. If that's your whole case against Eran, it's pretty shitty to vote for them. you should die for this. It's one thing to say this during the day when someone is pushing a case. It's a completely different story to come out against a person AFTER the result has already flipped. You haven't been acting quite yourself. Your play isn't as what I remember it from LVI. You scum bro? | ||
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BKE VOTED Erandorr. Man you're full of shit, attacking VE for voting Erandorr for that reason when you sheeped him | ||
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On August 09 2012 08:14 marvellosity wrote: have all conversations this game been this retarded? On August 09 2012 07:56 marvellosity wrote: it was my breadcrumb, donkeyface. anyway i mostly followed day 1 and kinda tapered off day 2 so have some catching up to do. my preliminary reads coming in are that talis is town wbg is scum for his case on grush speak for yourself | ||
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BKE for actively lurking (tons of examples of this) and calling out VE on his Erandorr case when he agreed with it. Glasse for basically the same and his overall tone is completely scummy. Remaining 3 scum are going to be impossible to find because this town has already lost. | ||
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On August 09 2012 08:24 marvellosity wrote: Remembering the post-discussion conversation in obs in LVI. There was conversation about pinning grush's alignment. grush trolls no matter which alignment he plays, and the distinguishing factor is that when he's town he at least makes reads with his 'starsenses'. This was recently and it was you who were talking about it. You CANNOT therefore say, with clear conscience that "Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game", because of your own meta metric on him, that would not be enough to make any kind of read on him. It's bullshit. Further to this you made a non-pushed case on Xsebt, and apart from that you've shat up the thread. Pretty sure you're scum. I didn't comment on his starsense bullshit. I said he at least tries to contribute. He didn't contribute jack shit. | ||
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why would I bother contributing cases on players when there is no "case" to be found? There are like 15 players doing absolutely nothing. once you guys kill me you're going to be just as in the dark as you were before, because all of you are so bad you can't tell that scum literally have to do nothing to win. | ||
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however more pressing is what went on behind the scenes. A few players were likely involved in some really shady stuff. I'm not going to point fingers or name names since nothing can be established concretely, but based on the evidence it's pretty apparent that the integrity of the game was likely compromised. | ||
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On August 17 2012 16:27 Hier wrote: Oh please, WBG. Out of the 5, or so, reads that you had on players, every single one of them turned out to be the opposite of what you suspected them to be. I'm not talking about reads. I'm talking about cheating. Also townies were retards. Just look at the case on me. I didn't scumhunt because I couldn't do anything except try to shield myself against the gallons of shit being dumped on me over and over. | ||
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I'm not accusing anyone of anything because it's impossible to prove such an accusation. In addition it is partly the fault of the mafia team, but ultimately the point of the game is completely lost if it's possible to simply find the QT and just solve the game immediately. That's why I think it's certainly possible the integrity of the game was lost. If it's even close to being likely that such a thing occurred, then how do we know the game was played by everyone honorably? We don't. There is nothing in the rules explicitly against finding a mafia QT and then using it for your advantage. In fact that's not the biggest problem. There are bigger issues with the way PMs were handled in this game. If you've made a legitimate mistake in PMing someone that's fine, but intentionally doing it (and for the purpose of giving someone information, with that recipient not being able to receive said information otherwise) is simply cheating. It wouldn't be allowed in a non-PM game so just because this one has mason mechanics doesn't mean that it's excusable. | ||
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