Long post on why he must be miller.
Point 1 is purely based on WIFOM and is thus disregarded.
Point 2 is such bad logic from his side (assuming that he is miller...). For example you say that people who was suspicious or voted you on D1 or D2 can't be your scum mates. LOL. You weren't close to getting lynched neither D1 nor D2 so why bring that up? Also I don't really see any telling with people wanting to lynch you right know. If there is any time you would want to bus, wouldn't that be when you got a red check?
Point 3 is WIFOM once again.
Point 4 is WIFOM.
Point 5 is bad logic once again. It's not like you were the only reason for Toad to out Xsebt. Also arguing against someone who had ''guessed'' the name of Toads character correctly wouldn't look very good neither.

Point 1 is NOT wifom. It's the truth. There's no one in this game right now (marv doesn't count since he was originally BioSC) who would make a better GF choice than me, if I'm scum. To say otherwise is to suggest that I've played the entire game with the hope of being red-checked or something, and that that was the plan from pre-game, when role decisions were presumably made. Does that make sense to you?

Point 2 is just to show that there's no clear scum strategy involved in my play, or any of my interactions with anyone or their interactions with me.

Point 3 is absolutely NOT wifom. You can't wifom meta. I can't just turn on a switch that says "ok act like town". If I could, I would, you know, act like town when I'm scum. Read Bang Bang 2. Read Pick Your Poison. Read I Can't Believe It's not Themed. I don't play like town in those games, and I'm not town in those games. I'm sorry but I don't have the power to magically alter my meta. Very few people do.

Point 4 is not really wifom either. I don't kill the people who are helping with the mislynch I'm pushing if I'm scum.

On Point 5 you're sort of right. But the point remains that I don't put in the effort to get a confirmed DT in the game if I'm scum. That doesn't help my team.

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I guess bottom line you can always invent a reason for why anything I write could be written by scum. Why my meta could be different, why I could have wanted goon over godfather, why I've been acting like I have. But at the end of the day to put all of that together is to assume that the most complex answer is right. It never is. It's always the simplest explanation. And the simplest explanation is that I'm miller.

Point 1. If this isn't WIFOM I don't know what is. Your point is based on the fact that YOU say that YOU would be the best person to give GF if you were scum. Also I don't get what you mean by ''To say otherwise is to suggest that I've played the entire game with the hope of being red-checked or something'' if you wouldn't pick GF then you obviously wouldn't want to be red checked, eh?
Point 2. How does this show anything but that your logic in case you were miller would be super bad?
Point 3. How can you not control your own play? It's entirely possible that you would try to play away from your scum meta if you rolled scum in order to be considered less scummy.
Point 4. Well people are obviously killed for a reason but there are several reasons for someone to get killed. Also, you say that you wouldn't kill these people if you are scum then you have 4 scum buddies with personal opinions as well.

Yes there is always a reason. That's why you should concentrate on making reads rather than make WIFOMish reasons for why you are miller.

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

August 10 2012 21:11 GMT

#1464

I'm not taking my vote off a confirmed redcheck. Even Talis is helping confirm Xsebt. I'm going conspiracy theorist on CD/Lazer scum trying to sneak some crazy shit past us to push a lynch on Zeph right now. I don't believe there's a second DT, this shit seems too crazy to me.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 10 2012 21:11 GMT

#1465

lol I don't think it does actually.

CountDropula

United States61 Posts

August 10 2012 21:12 GMT

#1466

On August 11 2012 06:06 talismania wrote:
oh well I guess they want to guarantee zeph's lynch tomorrow after I flip miller or just win the game outright during the night.

I think best play here is lynch zephirdd, zeph flips town. Check Lazer. Then we have two confirmed scum.

He confirmed.

Time for you to bow out.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

August 10 2012 21:12 GMT

#1467

On August 11 2012 06:05 JingleHell wrote:
I don't know what the fuck is going on here, but I think one of our DTs is a liar, and possibly using some scum info to pass it off. I mean, right now the role list sounds more like Conspiracy Theory mafia. I know it's nuts to WIFOM the host, but what the hell.

Either we believe this setup is absurd as hell, or we see how today's lynch goes and start looking at cases. I usually don't trust anyone, but starting now, I go into paranoia mode.

Well either both me and Dropula is scum or bot of us is town.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 10 2012 21:13 GMT

#1468

above directed at marv.

I'm miller for sure. If zeph is scum (which I doubt) then dropula is town which makes no sense. I think dropula and lazer just outed themselves.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

August 10 2012 21:14 GMT

#1469

So, do we lynch Zeph or Talis now? I'm okay with both :D

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

August 10 2012 21:14 GMT

#1470

On August 11 2012 06:12 CountDropula wrote:

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He confirmed.

Time for you to bow out.

why are you pushing someone else's redcheck and not your own?

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 10 2012 21:14 GMT

#1471

On August 11 2012 06:12 Lazermonkey wrote:

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Well either both me and Dropula is scum or bot of us is town.

Exactly. Lynching zephirdd confirms both of you, as well as xsebt, as well as toad.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

August 10 2012 21:14 GMT

#1472

On August 11 2012 06:13 talismania wrote:
above directed at marv.

I'm miller for sure. If zeph is scum (which I doubt) then dropula is town which makes no sense. I think dropula and lazer just outed themselves.

Let's lynch Zeph and get two confirmed townies in the process then?

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

August 10 2012 21:15 GMT

#1473

Ninjad : D

CountDropula

United States61 Posts

August 10 2012 21:15 GMT

#1474

We must take them both out to give town room to breathe.

Vigilante, listen to me.

Whoever of the two actors is not lynched must be shot.

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

August 10 2012 21:15 GMT

#1475

answer my question CD

marvellosity

United Kingdom36161 Posts

August 10 2012 21:16 GMT

#1476

talis i can't believe that scum would out 2 of themselves for no reason

JingleHell

United States11308 Posts

August 10 2012 21:17 GMT

#1477

On August 11 2012 06:12 Lazermonkey wrote:

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Well either both me and Dropula is scum or bot of us is town.

I know. And it sounds fucking crazy, but so does the setup people are suggesting we have here.

Let's face it though, CD also sounds crazy. The only thing making me think it's plausible is the fact that you'd never agree to something insane like that, and you'd probably bus any idiot who ran it behind your back.

If there's two DTs, it could explain the seeming excess of Millers, though. We really need to figure out what to do about this. It starts increasing the odds Talis really is a miller, to me, but you know how bad I hate letting a redcheck live. It's a sign of how sold I was on Talis's townieness that I'm even entertaining the notion of not lynching him.

talismania

United States2364 Posts

August 10 2012 21:17 GMT

#1478

I don't really see it either unless they thought they could end the game really fast by getting a vig to shoot a townie.

Still it's not going to work. If zeph flips town, then no way does a vig shoot me.

VisceraEyes

United States21171 Posts

August 10 2012 21:17 GMT

#1479

I can lynch Zeph, competing scum wagons is like...my favorite.