Finished looking over a few people. Scum list so far:
WBG - the Erandorr thing obviously puts him in the red. What really is blaring red is that he is refusing to take a stance on anything, not making cases and complaining about the game. At this point its a ploy for him to sit back and let us townies rip each other apart. No longer!
MrZentor: He's done nothing in this game except a very fishy vote switch to Erandorr yesterday. With no reasoning behind it.
Hopeless - He's super wishy washy with his accusations jumping on and off them in every post. Plus he's being defensive of WBG.
WBG is my first canidate, but I'll elaborate on my others if needs be.
On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV.
##vote grush57
Remembering the post-discussion conversation in obs in LVI. There was conversation about pinning grush's alignment. grush trolls no matter which alignment he plays, and the distinguishing factor is that when he's town he at least makes reads with his 'starsenses'.
This was recently and it was you who were talking about it.
You CANNOT therefore say, with clear conscience that "Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game", because of your own meta metric on him, that would not be enough to make any kind of read on him. It's bullshit.
Further to this you made a non-pushed case on Xsebt, and apart from that you've shat up the thread. Pretty sure you're scum.
On August 09 2012 08:27 talismania wrote: I kinda think WBG is scum and he's been preparing his own demise for a long time now. D3 is a good bus timing.
Toad's dealings with Errandor- Toad has an early town read on Errandor, which he has shared from his own notes. This read is pretty unfailing. He was never on any list, was never openly accused. They agreed on WBG. It's evidenced throughout his entire filter. Now have a look at these posts:
On August 05 2012 00:18 strongandbig wrote: why the either/or? vet balance concerns or what?
Nah could actually be both being mafia as well. It's more like "one of them has to be mafia"
I actually considered Prplhz to be the better lynch candidate yesterday but as people seem to think WBG is scummy like I do and at the same time don't seem to agree on prplhz (except for WBG) I'm a bit more okay with lynching WBG first. I guess I'm paranoid right now because there's so much stuff that makes no sense
If WBG really flips town we at least know his assertion on prplhz being 95% sure mafia was honest, while people like me think the same way. If WBG flips mafia I'll have to check wether WBG was just trying to gett off the hook or doing something else.
Scum read reinforced, expresses preference to WBG in the prpl/WBG either/or scenario.
On August 05 2012 02:41 Toadesstern wrote: I still want to see the log between Eran and WBG. If at least one of you two guys is town (I highly think so) there is no reason not to post it and it would maybe help us figure things out no matter of WBGs alignment.
And I'd rather have it posted before one of you is dead so that we can confirm it's the real thing.
from log [04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad
Got it. Everyone is awful as town.
Back to accusing WBG.
...so, before and after saying he highly thinks one of either WBG/Eran is town, he accuses Bugs. It's clear to me he is sticking with his town read on Eran.
The time-frame is important. The quotes I just listed show pretty clearly how he views Erandorr around the very beginning of August 5th (like 00:00 to 04:00 KST).
This now is from the mason PMs with Erandorr.
[04.08.2012 21:00:13] Toad: btw I think Hassy could be the last mafia
The timestamp is in CET...converted to KST it's August 5th 05:00. This puts it just after the chain of posts I pointed out above. So basically he is telling someone who he's reading as town that he has a scum read on Hassy. I can't think of any situation where Toad would lie about a read like that given he is reading that person as town. Therefore my take-away from this is that Toad is genuinely reading Hassy as scum. This is further evidenced by how he has lately been pretty vocal about Hassy being scum.
On August 05 2012 05:05 slOosh wrote: Oh. Then I'm gonna ask you to come over to the talis lynch, solely for the sake of consolidation. WBG is town as town can be. I'd totally back a d2 prplhz lynch too (or n1 shot but I aint no vig )
It's something like this: I said Talis is mafia I said WBG is mafia and I said Prplhz is mafia
People agreed with what I said about wbg. Pretty much no one agreed with what I said about Prplhz Literally noone agreed with what I said about Talis.
The two people who masoned me would prefere a Prplhz lynch as far as I can tell as well.
I'm going to be afk for an hour or something like this. If people think Talis is the better move I'll vote talis, if people think prplhz is the better move I'll vote prplhz. I think prplhz is marginally better and it's only 22:00 my time. Waiting until 23:00 shouldn't be a problem to see what people think.
So ten minutes after he calls Hassy scum, he is saying we should lynch prplhz because Hassy thinks so. What the fuck?
I don't see any motivation for a town Toad to be bolstering the 'lynch prphlz movement' by citing someone who he is actively reading as scum. It's more likely to me that he is scum, and was pushing the prplhz lynch under false pretenses.
On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV.
##vote grush57
Remembering the post-discussion conversation in obs in LVI. There was conversation about pinning grush's alignment. grush trolls no matter which alignment he plays, and the distinguishing factor is that when he's town he at least makes reads with his 'starsenses'.
This was recently and it was you who were talking about it.
You CANNOT therefore say, with clear conscience that "Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game", because of your own meta metric on him, that would not be enough to make any kind of read on him. It's bullshit.
Further to this you made a non-pushed case on Xsebt, and apart from that you've shat up the thread. Pretty sure you're scum.
I didn't comment on his starsense bullshit.
I said he at least tries to contribute. He didn't contribute jack shit.
why would I bother contributing cases on players when there is no "case" to be found? There are like 15 players doing absolutely nothing. once you guys kill me you're going to be just as in the dark as you were before, because all of you are so bad you can't tell that scum literally have to do nothing to win.
On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV.
##vote grush57
Remembering the post-discussion conversation in obs in LVI. There was conversation about pinning grush's alignment. grush trolls no matter which alignment he plays, and the distinguishing factor is that when he's town he at least makes reads with his 'starsenses'.
This was recently and it was you who were talking about it.
You CANNOT therefore say, with clear conscience that "Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game", because of your own meta metric on him, that would not be enough to make any kind of read on him. It's bullshit.
Further to this you made a non-pushed case on Xsebt, and apart from that you've shat up the thread. Pretty sure you're scum.
I didn't comment on his starsense bullshit.
I said he at least tries to contribute. He didn't contribute jack shit.
Yes, that's right - THREE names. Not Five. Why? Because in my opinion, the last 2 scums can be found in the pool of players who haven't been posting, like, at all. There have been too many town flips of active players for me to entertain the notion that ALL of the scum are playing visibly. Therefor, at least 40% of the scum team can, by my estimation, be found in that group.
Now, my reads.
talismania has been very confusing to me over the course of the game. After D1 I agreed with slOosh's points on talismania - lots of questions that seemed to go nowhere, very little what I would consider actual scum hunting. However, D2 talis turned on the town with a bright and shiny case on me. Generally speaking, I automatically think "SCUM!" in cases like that, as many of you are well aware - however this time it was different. This time, talismania had valid concerns about my activity and my case against him…and considering my main contention with him was about the whole questions that go nowhere thing, I decided to assent to masoning him.
That's where things changed, for me. Over the course of those conversations, I was left with the feeling that he wasn't REALLY after information at all - that he was looking for something specific…something that I'd referenced earlier in the game.
All Talismania was interested in during the WHOLE of our conversations was my read on Zephirdd.
Why? What about Zephirdd was so important for me to comment on? What about my Zephirdd read intrigued him so? So I tried something out…
I intentionally avoided talking about Zephirdd at all.
On August 07 2012 12:06 talismania wrote: VE you out there? waiting for a pm reply.
On August 08 2012 02:38 talismania wrote: The extent of my communication with VE. Yes I wanted to more or less interrogate him about every player in the game, I think he's scum. Never really got to though. If he's innocent he shouldn't have a problem with that and should also probably want to interrogate me about a lot of things. He never responded to my zephirdd question despite posting in the thread after I had sent it, so I asked him in the thread.
On August 08 2012 01:50 VisceraEyes wrote: TBH I'm not sure - at first I thought he was town, but as the PMs dragged on it felt more like an inquisition - like his mind was made up already and that he was just like...gathering ammo or something. He never shared HIS thoughts on the people he asked about, simply asked me about them and then freaked out in-thread when I was a little late with response.
I'm leaning town - just misguided, really really WRONG town.
He writes this, but do you see it in the logs? He asked me about erandorr, I responded. I asked him about zephirdd after he brought zephirdd's name up... and nothing. If he had asked what I thought about zeph I would have gladly answered. He only showed interest in picking my brain about erandorr. The "people" I asked about? I only asked about one, and he never answered. I asked a grand total of two questions of him in PMs as they "dragged on".
On August 08 2012 06:28 talismania wrote: ah sorry. I would argue that they are all around the same level of interest to be honest.
Whatever happened to your thoughts on xsebt and zephirdd? You said in PMs you were going to look into them yesterday.
WHO CARES?! He's barely playing and is probably scum! But if he doesn't do scummy things then I can't lynch him!
talismania, in an attempt to distract town, has focused on my read of Zephirdd for almost an entire cycle. If he thinks I'm scum and Zeph is town, what could he possibly want to know what I think of Zephirdd for?
Here's my theory: that he and Zephirdd are scum TOGETHER. I think he was interested in getting my read on Zephirdd in the thread to either vilify me for thinking an "obvious townie" is scum, or to solidify sentiment that he's town when I died D2 and flipped town by me stating a town-read on him.
My guess is that scum roleblocked someone they killed N1 and talis claimed it in an attempt to gain town-cred.
Zephirdd has spent the whole of the second cycle being pressured by CD. The result of this pressure, I think, speaks for itself - but I'll speak for it for those of you who are wondering what I'm talking about.
He reacted BADLY. REALLY badly. Like, as a townie, how would you react to someone continually calling you scum based on nothing and trolling you?
If your answer is anything but "ignore it and hunt scum" then you're scum. I'm sorry, but that's my opinion. Zeph's answer would apparently be "FREAK THE FUCK OUT AND RAGE IN-THREAD AND OMGUSSSSSSSSS"…if he were town. However, I think he's scum that can't handle pressure.
And golly gee, he didn't vote for me, talismania's "#1 scum read". Hmmmm, I wonder what's going on here. :/
Toadesstern is on this list because he's a mason, and because I'm town the pool of possible scum masons is shrinking. Ultimately he's null, but I'm thinking scum probably have a mason and I don't think it's JH - especially after reading his logs with talismania. It's possible there ARE no scum masons and BC threw in a ton of town masons to fuck with town - but I find it really unlikely, and if that's what's going on here then BC is truly a bastard.
So my lynch-order preference would be:
1. talismania/Zephirdd (I'm equally sure on both and would support either lynch equally. . . . . . . . . . . . 2. Toadesstern.
I don't want to lynch Toad tomorrow, but I will if town wants to because he's a mason that's not JH or myself. Pretty much no other reason. :/
The day begun anew and once again the poor associates of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce were greeted with untimely death. Pete Cambell could be found crying over the body of his wife who was sprawled over the lobby room's couch. Lane was found distraught in his office, a picture of his wife in his hands and the receiver of his phone left hanging off the side of his desk. The most interesting of all the deaths however was that of Senior Partner Roger Sterling. He was found naked in his office chair, positioned so that he could stare out at the world through his windowed wall. His face seemed full of life and a smile was spread clear across his face. After careful investigation it was discovered he had been recently experimenting with LSD.
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is Lane Pryce's wife of 18 years. Born to an upper-class British family, you are a stylish, polite and kindly woman, if a bit snooty. You follow Lane to New York but suffer the strain of culture shock and return to London, with your son, Nigel, in tow. After a brief separation, and Lane's infidelity with a Playboy Bunny, you and he smooth over your problems and you move back to New York to reconcile. Now you worry about your husbands health and treatment at Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce.
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