EPTSomething else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me?
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Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? | ||
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On August 04 2012 06:11 Zephirdd wrote: Maybe I am taking too confidently. Fine let me rephrase that for you I think wbg thinks a scum mason would mason him. Why? Because at the time, I thought "a scum would mason wbg!". However, I don't think either erandorr nor ve are scum at this point. It does make sense, however, that he would out masons. After all, a town mason has nothing to fear(if you assume medics exist) unlike a scum mason. And the "bullshit" part was just me being mad. "Hey some people posted nothing, let's say this guy who's been giving his opinions on subjects and calling people on other and say he has done nothing!". -_- Zephirdd, I think I may be too dumb to understand you here. You are saying that a town mason has nothing to fear, assuming medics exist. By that you agree that giving the names of town masons to everyone, scum included, puts them in more danger? Danger they really didn't need to be in? And also, if town has medics, do you really think its good to force them to protect more people ? In my braindead opinion, that rather sounds like making mafias job of hitting the targets they want easier. And since I am reaaaally slow today, could you also explain what a scum mason has to fear from being outed at that point in the game? Is it just assuming that once a few town masons are dead, the rest must be scum? I am sure there must be more! masons themselves shouldn't unless that would save his life. What you said makes sense. Mason'd people shouldnt claim :s These were your statements about claims early in the game. How was wbg claiming for them something that made you change your mind? | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:16 Hier wrote: I am so impressed, Erandorr, you are so elaborate. Nobody even remotely suspects you of being mafia. You painted yourself to be a very big opponent of mason claims. + Show Spoiler [As seen here] + On August 03 2012 12:26 Erandorr wrote: YO talismania : wtf So lets see. Townie masons are kind of bad because all you can do is privatly talk to someone to get information and a feeling of not some random player, but someone you want to talk to more? Also explain the bolded part please. Why are you focused on how a town mason is looking trying to get information? Are you serious? Can you really think of no reason how a scum mason could be useful? Yeah those kind of speculations always work out and are totally valid and never before produced complete retard lynches! Okay. So would I be correct in saying that you think the mason role is so shitty that having it claimed wouldn't really help anyways, so why bother? If I misunderstood feel free to elaborate. Why? I can think of reasons not to claim that, actually. And just because you can do something doesn't really mean you should , right? But mafia either already knows who the masons are by receiving PMs, or sleep soundly at night knowing the masons are bickering among the townies in private, accusing each other of being scum behind each others' backs. Along comes WBG and gives away VE, to which you replied: WBG confirms his stance on revealing masons, and has already done so in practice with an attitude that would assure anyone that he would easily do it again. + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 21:10 Erandorr wrote: Sorry wbg, I am just too retarded to understand you. Within the same hour you mason WBG and get your role revealed. This warrants WBG's reveal of your role being anti-town; your role specifically, revealing VE was just "retarded", not necessarily anti-town. If you had filed your mason request before WBG revealed VE, he would have revealed both of you at the same time. BC was online at the time, as per his voting thread announcement, allowing for all of this to happen in rapid succession. You have abused WBG's rash decision making to your advantage, which I commend. + Show Spoiler [Time of BC's post] + On August 03 2012 21:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Please move all voting into the voting thread I just created Here Thank you Erandorr's reasonings: + Show Spoiler [Here] + On August 03 2012 23:53 Erandorr wrote: I wanted to see if he did it again, considering I know my alignment. Its a completely anti town move . Give me one reason why not to hammer wbg right now please. + Show Spoiler [And here] + On August 04 2012 01:37 Erandorr wrote: Its a completely anti town move to out people like that without thoughts on alignment or actually any information. They may have been context with VE, but I thought of it as trading my role for confirming wbg as scum. it is that easy. + Show Spoiler [Finally here] + On August 04 2012 01:40 Erandorr wrote: EBWOP: at that point I wasnt actually certain that wbg was scum at all. Something else I would like to point out that fucks over wbgs shitty logic even more, he pretended to give reasons on why he outed VE. Now what exactly were his reasons to out me , assuming he is town? He seems to think that I am town, so why do that to me? Suddenly you become the victim of something you, apparently, could not forsee, making you look town. You try to convince people that WBG's move was anti-town, while the move against VE "may have been context", or was just "retarded", but not anti-town yet. It doesn't even matter whether WBG is town or mafia! He could be scum, and you may have asked him to rat you out without you even being a mason. I don't know. But you, Erandorr, I am very impressed with. That was clever. I will strive to be like you in the future. Dear god I hope you are trolling | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:17 Zephirdd wrote: @Erandorr 1. I said the people mason'd shouldn't claim "I was mason'd" because of this: by Toad However, this only applies when you are claiming that YOU YOURSELF were masoned. I admit I didn't put proper thought on this, but wbg says nicely when he says that now medics have their targets and now scum are forced to shot sub-optimaly. A scum mason fears being outed because that will put him on the spotlight for the whole game. That's not exactly what scum wants. Also, a medic's biggest dilemma is "who to save". When they have their "MUST SAVE" targets and scum are forced to shot suboptimaly, they are doing their job. Besides, there is always the WIFOM for both medic and scum "but what if I protect someone else because they think he will be save/but what if I shoot him because the medic will prot someone else"; In my opinion, this kind of WIFOM benefits the medic(and town) more than scum who either have to take a chance or shoot a really bad target. Also, as long as only wbg did it and only now, I guess there is no problem with it. Now, one odd thing is that wbg has been away for some time already. I usually don't like to think a vet would play badly. Him going away is bad for him being scum AND town. Maybe I'm wrong after all? :S No Zephirdd, thats not what you said. You said that masons should not claim unless their life depended on it. I have it as a quote in my post, buddy. I am going to try this one more time. Slowly. Hang on. | ||
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On August 04 2012 08:52 wherebugsgo wrote: Let's kill grush. As long as he trolls he's a detriment and certainly the only thing he actually does as scum is troll. Pretty sure given his first post he's not town this game, just as he wasn't in LV. I would strongly suggest to anyone who gets masoned to out the person who masoned them from now on. If both Eran and VE are town then the likelihood of a third mason being town is incredibly low. Thus if there is a scum mason they'd be unlikely to use it (win for us). I'm pretty sure both VE and Eran are town (for now). In particular Eran is almost certainly town because he really wants me to prove I'm town (encouraging me to get on skype, for example) something I don't think he'd do as scum. Anyone voting for him right now (Jingle) needs to also read his posts. Some of the logic might be bad but that doesn't make Eran scum. ##vote grush57 Where is my logic bad. Point it out. | ||
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I would like to expand a bit on what you have been saying. Gotta love 8:30 vision appointments. For anyone who doesn't know, from my perspective Erandor and VE share two important traits: One, they both call me scum in every game without fail regardless of their own alignments. Two, they're both awful as town. Right now I lean toward Erandor being terrible, since I don't think as scum he'd stop being lazy long enough to form a coherent sentence. Everyone look at what WBG is doing in this post.Now think about this post and try to see town motivation. As I stated before, I don't call him Scum every game. It just happens that we basicly never had the same alignment before. So when I call him Scum, he usually is Scum. The important part : WBG is not discrediting the arguments, he is trying to discredit the players. That is not something a good town player should ever do without being really frustrated. And there really was no reason for him to be this hyper agressive this early on. Unless he was scum and wanted to create a terrible atmosphere. Look at everything I have posted , look at what StrongandBig and Toad added. And then do the right thing and help us kill Scum. | ||
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On August 04 2012 20:44 wherebugsgo wrote: in PMs. also, think about this: Erandor's entire case against me hinges on me publicly outting mafia masons (as a scum tactic.) If I were scum and I knew VE and Erandorr were town masons why wouldn't I just privately tell my team instead of posting to the thread? Its also not my entire case if you had read what I wrote | ||
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On August 04 2012 21:55 wherebugsgo wrote: How the flying fuck am I trolling? How the fuck are you doing everything else you gave as analysis of your scum play? | ||
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On August 04 2012 22:52 Lazermonkey wrote: Wbg: grush scum meta isn't to troll. His meta overall just doesn't make any sense. I played with him in Newbie XVI(where you actually coached me a bit so you maybe remember that as well). He made posts like this all the time and even claimed detective. Guess what? He was VT. Lynching grush today is essentially a coinflip. I will not lynch into him today. So what exactly do you intend to do. Do you agree about WBG? | ||
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On August 05 2012 00:23 BioSC wrote: Yeaaaaaah, I'm not buying a WBG lynch today. You really want to lynch someone who, even if you don't agree with his play, has reasons for his actions and explains himself, over this? Yeah, not buying it. No, you are not getting away with piece of shit posting like this. Explain to us where you stand on wbg. And no, saying "he is explaining himself" does not cut it. Read everything we have written about him and give us your opinion on why you think he deserves to live. Then read strongandbigs points about grush earlier. Then come back and explain your choice | ||
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Erandorr just masoned me. Dunno if he's scum or just dumb though. Also I didn't ask either of them before outting them. I would like your opinion. From a town POV, why would wbg call me scum or dumb if I mason him? He assumes a town Mason must be dumb to mason him, because he instantly outs them. He said later that outing town masons is also pro town, because it forces Scum to shoot suboptimally. And obviously because a town mason has nothing to fear from pressure. So there is absolutely no reason to call a town mason dumb for masoning him, unless he knows that his move fucks town masons over. | ||
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I was still trying to ask him questions after he called me worthless for the 30th time. | ||
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On August 05 2012 01:08 Lazermonkey wrote: If you mean agree with lynching him, then yes. His play really havn't made alot of sense to me and in some cases been directly anti-town imo. This is especially suspicious because of the fact that he is s veteran. Then write that down in the voting thread  | ||
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[04.08.12 12:58:20] WBG: if you're town [04.08.12 12:58:24] WBG: don't ever play mafia again [04.08.12 12:58:26] WBG: you're fucking awful [04.08.12 12:58:45] WBG: just because I've happened to roll mafia the only times you've been town, doesn't mean you have any way of actually reading my alignment. [04.08.12 12:58:50] WBG: calling me scum every game is not being correct [04.08.12 12:58:52] WBG: it's just calling me scum [04.08.12 12:58:57] ME: its not about that bro [04.08.12 12:59:04] WBG: as for now, you're obviously wrong [04.08.12 12:59:06] WBG: and since you can't admit it [04.08.12 12:59:07] ME: its about you playing like complete dogshit [04.08.12 12:59:13] WBG: you're either just obsessed with calling me scum or you're bad [04.08.12 12:59:15] WBG: no [04.08.12 12:59:19] WBG: your arguments have no weight [04.08.12 12:59:22] WBG: I've already refuted them [04.08.12 12:59:27] ME: no you have not [04.08.12 12:59:33] WBG: ok [04.08.12 12:59:33] ME: you are playing like shit [04.08.12 12:59:34] WBG: go ahead [04.08.12 12:59:35] WBG: and [04.08.12 12:59:36] ME: your logic is really bad [04.08.12 12:59:38] WBG: rehash them [04.08.12 12:59:40] WBG: you complain [04.08.12 12:59:42] WBG: that I attack players [04.08.12 12:59:46] WBG: when you're just calling me bad [04.08.12 12:59:48] WBG: that's your entire argument [04.08.12 12:59:49] ME: no [04.08.12 12:59:52] WBG: "you're playing like dogshit" [04.08.12 12:59:53] WBG: not a scumtel;l [04.08.12 12:59:57] WBG: in fact my play is not bad either [04.08.12 13:00:00] WBG: you haven't shown how it is bad [04.08.12 13:00:05] ME: dude [04.08.12 13:00:06] ME: rofl [04.08.12 13:00:09] WBG: in fact you're just tunneling [04.08.12 13:00:11] WBG: like a retard [04.08.12 13:00:22] WBG: because you don't know how to scumhunt [04.08.12 13:00:26] WBG: you don't know what to look for [04.08.12 13:00:46] WBG: outting masons in this setup is not a scumtell [04.08.12 13:00:52] WBG: because it puts them under pressure [04.08.12 13:00:59] WBG: that's something townies should welcome [04.08.12 13:00:59] ME: yo bugs [04.08.12 13:01:01] WBG: and something mafia hate [04.08.12 13:01:03] ME: here is something you could do [04.08.12 13:01:11] ME: TALK TO THE FUCKING MASONS IN PMS [04.08.12 13:01:14] ME: AND PRESSURE THEM LIKE THAT [04.08.12 13:01:17] WBG: what the fuck [04.08.12 13:01:18] ME: if you are town [04.08.12 13:01:19] WBG: am I doing right now then [04.08.12 13:01:25] WBG: yes you can ALSO OUT THEM IN THE THREAD [04.08.12 13:01:27] WBG: that's more pressure [04.08.12 13:01:29] WBG: than the PMs itself [04.08.12 13:01:32] ME: after the shit comes down on you [04.08.12 13:01:35] WBG: if I'm just going to talk to them in PMs [04.08.12 13:01:37] WBG: and it was scum who messaged me [04.08.12 13:01:44] WBG: aren't I simply fulfilling what they wanted in the first place? [04.08.12 13:01:50] WBG: why would they mason me if not to PM me? [04.08.12 13:02:03] WBG: do you realize now [04.08.12 13:02:03] ME: pms go both ways [04.08.12 13:02:05] ME: wtf [04.08.12 13:02:06] WBG: it's YOUR logic that's shit? [04.08.12 13:02:11] ME: are you [04.08.12 13:02:12] ME: actually serious? [04.08.12 13:02:22] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:02:26] WBG: do you not remember SS mafia [04.08.12 13:02:31] WBG: you remember [04.08.12 13:02:34] WBG: how fucking close to sandro I was [04.08.12 13:02:42] WBG: if mafia CHOOSE to PM someone [04.08.12 13:02:45] WBG: they WANT to pm them [04.08.12 13:02:49] WBG: they're not going to fucking slip in PMs [04.08.12 13:02:49] ME: SS mafia [04.08.12 13:02:56] WBG: they only slip when the PMs are forced [04.08.12 13:03:11] ME: which one was it [04.08.12 13:03:19] WBG: the one with 300 town items [04.08.12 13:03:24] WBG: and aliens [04.08.12 13:03:32] ME: the one where you got killed [04.08.12 13:03:42] ME: cause you fucked up as scum? [04.08.12 13:03:57] ME: okay sry i just thought that was funny [04.08.12 13:04:03] ME: well the thing is [04.08.12 13:04:10] WBG: man my entire team got killed [04.08.12 13:04:13] WBG: because we had no powers [04.08.12 13:04:16] ME: you outing the masons is completely terrible [04.08.12 13:04:16] WBG: but that's not the issue [04.08.12 13:04:20] WBG: I was confirmed town to sandro [04.08.12 13:04:23] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:04:26] WBG: you THINK IT'S TERRIBLE [04.08.12 13:04:27] WBG: that's not a fuckign scumtell [04.08.12 13:04:30] WBG: and here you go [04.08.12 13:04:32] WBG: contradicting yourself [04.08.12 13:04:35] WBG: you say I'm scummy [04.08.12 13:04:37] WBG: for calling people bad [04.08.12 13:04:38] WBG: then you call me scummy [04.08.12 13:04:39] ME: no [04.08.12 13:04:40] ME: let me fuckint talk [04.08.12 13:04:41] WBG: because you think I'm bad [04.08.12 13:04:42] ME: for a second [04.08.12 13:04:43] WBG: you can't [04.08.12 13:04:44] WBG: even [04.08.12 13:04:44] WBG: fucking [04.08.12 13:04:48] WBG: read your own thoughts [04.08.12 13:04:49] ME: jesus wbg [04.08.12 13:04:51] WBG: you're so retarded [04.08.12 13:04:51] ME: hang on for a second [04.08.12 13:04:54] ME: shhhh [04.08.12 13:04:55] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:04:55] ME: calm down [04.08.12 13:04:58] WBG: you're awful [04.08.12 13:05:00] WBG: at this game [04.08.12 13:05:01] ME: rofl [04.08.12 13:05:05] WBG: and it makes me not want to play [04.08.12 13:05:07] ME: duuude [04.08.12 13:05:08] WBG: with the likes of you [04.08.12 13:05:08] ME: shhh [04.08.12 13:05:11] WBG: cause I have to defend myself [04.08.12 13:05:17] WBG: against bunches of horseshit [04.08.12 13:05:17] ME: you have to defend yourself [04.08.12 13:05:21] ME: for being afk [04.08.12 13:05:23] ME: for 1.5 days [04.08.12 13:05:28] WBG: yes [04.08.12 13:05:30] WBG: because I have fucking finals [04.08.12 13:05:34] ME: and then posting a case [04.08.12 13:05:36] WBG: that has absolutely nothing to do with the game at all [04.08.12 13:05:39] ME: about grush [04.08.12 13:05:41] ME: thats meh [04.08.12 13:05:42] WBG: yes [04.08.12 13:05:47] WBG: BECAUSE GRUSH IS A FUCKING TERRIBLE MAFIA PLAYER [04.08.12 13:05:50] WBG: the case is going to be one line [04.08.12 13:05:53] WBG: his meta is to troll as scum [04.08.12 13:05:58] WBG: and to actually put marginal effort as town [04.08.12 13:05:58] ME: he may be scum but its also a really really easy one [04.08.12 13:06:00] WBG: go fucking look at lvi [04.08.12 13:06:07] WBG: it's day 1 [04.08.12 13:06:13] WBG: the most likely person to flip scum [04.08.12 13:06:18] WBG: is the guy PLAYING TO HIS SCUM META [04.08.12 13:06:20] WBG: jesus [04.08.12 13:06:27] WBG: you don't try to kill the scum vet on d1 [04.08.12 13:06:30] WBG: cause that will never happen [04.08.12 13:06:34] WBG: you'll just end up killing some bad townie [04.08.12 13:06:36] ME: you are playing to your scum meta [04.08.12 13:06:45] WBG: you don't even fucking know my scum meta [04.08.12 13:06:50] WBG: in fact no one does [04.08.12 13:06:55] WBG: everyone just claims to know [04.08.12 13:07:01] WBG: but they just talk bullshit [04.08.12 13:07:25] WBG: name one thing [04.08.12 13:07:29] WBG: that defines my scum meta? [04.08.12 13:07:32] WBG: what do I do when I'm scum? [04.08.12 13:07:36] ME: you make sense as town [04.08.12 13:07:44] WBG: I make sense as scum too [04.08.12 13:07:45] WBG: fail [04.08.12 13:07:54] WBG: go look at storm mafia [04.08.12 13:08:03] WBG: I led four lynches because townies agreed with my logic [04.08.12 13:08:18] WBG: same in Mini X, a game you were in [04.08.12 13:08:21] ME: yes [04.08.12 13:08:25] ME: where i didnt call you mafia btw [04.08.12 13:08:31] ME: even when you were [04.08.12 13:08:34] ME: think about that for a second [04.08.12 13:08:42] ME: when you claim i call you scum every game [04.08.12 13:08:47] ME: which isnt even true rofl [04.08.12 13:08:50] WBG: you have called me scum every game [04.08.12 13:08:52] WBG: except for that one [04.08.12 13:09:02] ME: BECAUSE YOU WERE SCUM EVERY GAME EXCEPT THAT ONE [04.08.12 13:09:03] WBG: actually I don't even r emember [04.08.12 13:09:04] WBG: if you did [04.08.12 13:09:05] ME: ITS NOT FUCKING MAGIC [04.08.12 13:09:21] ME: rofl wbg [04.08.12 13:09:22] WBG: so what gmae [04.08.12 13:09:24] WBG: have we played together [04.08.12 13:09:26] WBG: in which I was town? [04.08.12 13:09:29] WBG: tell me that [04.08.12 13:09:29] ME: i really hope this is [04.08.12 13:09:36] WBG: really [04.08.12 13:09:37] ME: you being scum and trying to convince me [04.08.12 13:09:39] WBG: are you that fuckign stupid [04.08.12 13:09:43] WBG: now you're just [04.08.12 13:09:44] ME: cause if it isnt im kind of sad [04.08.12 13:09:45] WBG: failing [04.08.12 13:09:50] WBG: by using [04.08.12 13:09:52] WBG: confirmation bias [04.08.12 13:09:53] WBG: you're using things [04.08.12 13:09:56] WBG: to convince yourself [04.08.12 13:09:58] WBG: that you're right [04.08.12 13:10:02] WBG: when it's not evidence in the first place [04.08.12 13:10:09] WBG: which game have I played with you [04.08.12 13:10:11] WBG: that I was town? [04.08.12 13:10:22] ME: dont remember but thats not important actually [04.08.12 13:10:26] ME: just answer a couple of questions [04.08.12 13:10:32] ME: without being angry and objectivly [04.08.12 13:10:36] ME: and we shall see okay? [04.08.12 13:11:00] ME: 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. [04.08.12 13:11:02] ME: you posted that [04.08.12 13:11:06] ME: as explanation [04.08.12 13:11:07] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:11:08] ME: early on [04.08.12 13:11:11] WBG: you did call me mafia in Mini X [04.08.12 13:11:13] WBG: so [04.08.12 13:11:15] ME: well you were mafia [04.08.12 13:11:20] WBG: go fuck yourself [04.08.12 13:11:23] WBG: you can't have it both ways [04.08.12 13:11:23] ME: no [04.08.12 13:11:25] WBG: dumbass [04.08.12 13:11:26] ME: shut up and lets talk [04.08.12 13:11:28] WBG: you can't say [04.08.12 13:11:31] WBG: "OH YOU'RE A LIAR" [04.08.12 13:11:34] WBG: and then turn aroudn and say [04.08.12 13:11:37] WBG: "BUT YOU WERE MAFIA ANYAWY" [04.08.12 13:11:41] ME: rofl [04.08.12 13:11:44] WBG: that's just derpage [04.08.12 13:11:45] ME: i didnt go after you [04.08.12 13:11:47] ME: and you know that [04.08.12 13:11:52] WBG: yes you did [04.08.12 13:11:57] WBG: what the fuck was the point of bringing it up then [04.08.12 13:12:01] ME: not after day 2 i think [04.08.12 13:12:02] ME: i went after other people [04.08.12 13:12:07] WBG: you were dead [04.08.12 13:12:19] ME: but i went for others not you [04.08.12 13:12:21] ME: before that [04.08.12 13:12:29] ME: i mean really going after them not just somehow calling u scum [04.08.12 13:12:32] ME: also shut the fuck up [04.08.12 13:12:33] ME: lets talk about this game [04.08.12 13:12:34] WBG: I saidy [04.08.12 13:12:38] WBG: you call me scum [04.08.12 13:12:38] WBG: every game [04.08.12 13:12:39] ME: and answer some questions [04.08.12 13:12:41] WBG: how is that false [04.08.12 13:12:46] WBG: you haven't answered my [04.08.12 13:12:48] WBG: very simple question [04.08.12 13:12:51] WBG: of when was I town with you [04.08.12 13:13:06] ME: where you ever town with me? [04.08.12 13:13:07] WBG: because honestly [04.08.12 13:13:11] WBG: you're so bad [04.08.12 13:13:12] WBG: at scumhunting [04.08.12 13:13:16] WBG: talking to you will be worthless [04.08.12 13:13:19] WBG: I already know you're probably town [04.08.12 13:13:34] WBG: everything else is stupid because you already disagree with lynching grush [04.08.12 13:13:45] ME: what makes you say that? [04.08.12 13:13:53] ME: there is a chance that he may be scum [04.08.12 13:13:57] ME: its just that you are scum [04.08.12 13:14:01] ME: so its kind of easier to kill you [04.08.12 13:14:02] WBG: so why [04.08.12 13:14:07] WBG: would I consider talking to you [04.08.12 13:14:10] WBG: when all you do [04.08.12 13:14:12] WBG: is call me scum? [04.08.12 13:14:12] ME: because [04.08.12 13:14:15] WBG: why the fuck [04.08.12 13:14:16] ME: i tried to talk normally [04.08.12 13:14:18] WBG: would I do anything [04.08.12 13:14:18] ME: to you [04.08.12 13:14:18] ME: 10 seconds ago [04.08.12 13:14:22] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:14:24] WBG: you're bad [04.08.12 13:14:24] ME: and all you did was insult me more [04.08.12 13:14:27] WBG: you call me scum repeatedly [04.08.12 13:14:27] ME: exactly [04.08.12 13:14:28] WBG: yes [04.08.12 13:14:29] WBG: because you are bad [04.08.12 13:14:33] WBG: and you can't even see [04.08.12 13:14:33] ME: every time i try to ask you quesitons [04.08.12 13:14:35] WBG: your own failures [04.08.12 13:14:37] ME: you do this [04.08.12 13:14:38] WBG: when I point them out to you [04.08.12 13:14:45] WBG: BECAUSE YOU DON'T READ YOUR OWN THOUGHTS [04.08.12 13:14:45] ME: well then just calm down a second [04.08.12 13:14:47] WBG: if you can't [04.08.12 13:14:50] WBG: understand yourself [04.08.12 13:14:56] WBG: then the only true path [04.08.12 13:14:57] WBG: is to tell you [04.08.12 13:15:00] WBG: to go read newbie guides [04.08.12 13:15:06] WBG: because if you think I am scum [04.08.12 13:15:06] ME: shhh [04.08.12 13:15:07] ME: bugsy [04.08.12 13:15:09] ME: shhhhh [04.08.12 13:15:12] WBG: there is no other explanation [04.08.12 13:15:13] ME: let me talk for a second [04.08.12 13:15:16] WBG: you're bad at this game [04.08.12 13:15:18] WBG: go read some guides [04.08.12 13:15:36] ME: shhh [04.08.12 13:15:42] ME: let me ask you some factual questions [04.08.12 13:15:43] ME: and answer them okay? [04.08.12 13:15:47] ME: instead of dodging by calling me bad [04.08.12 13:16:10] ME: 1. Being a mason isn't alignment indicative (therefore outting a mason is rather worthless) 2. The playerbase of this game will not understand stuff unless it's obviously stated. 3. If we are both town then mafia will strongly consider shooting one of us. Which means that we will make good protects. Which means that it potentially forces mafia to shoot suboptimally. [04.08.12 13:16:14] ME: this was your explanation [04.08.12 13:16:19] ME: okay couple of things [04.08.12 13:16:31] ME: explain to me very slowly [04.08.12 13:16:46] WBG: what the fuck is there to explain [04.08.12 13:16:49] WBG: you haven't even asked anything [04.08.12 13:16:53] ME: i was about to [04.08.12 13:16:56] ME: when you started to shout [04.08.12 13:17:01] ME: dont make this harder than it needs to [04.08.12 13:17:15] WBG: if you haven't noticed [04.08.12 13:17:18] WBG: I'm pretty fucking impatient [04.08.12 13:17:19] WBG: with your shit [04.08.12 13:17:26] ME: dont be a baby [04.08.12 13:18:17] WBG: ASK YOUR GODDAMN QUESTION [04.08.12 13:18:20] WBG: I don't have time for this shit [04.08.12 13:18:25] ME: :D [04.08.12 13:18:32] WBG: I need to study [04.08.12 13:18:34] WBG: not fuck around [04.08.12 13:18:36] ME: just again [04.08.12 13:18:46] ME: how does outing masons force mafia to shoot badly [04.08.12 13:18:55] WBG: because if they are town [04.08.12 13:19:03] WBG: then mafia have to choose between shooting the masons [04.08.12 13:19:09] WBG: or shooting someone who is less likely to be protected [04.08.12 13:19:12] ME: well but [04.08.12 13:19:16] ME: me for example [04.08.12 13:19:16] WBG: between VE and myself everyone else on the roster is terrible at town [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: therefore any other shot [04.08.12 13:19:19] WBG: is bad [04.08.12 13:19:26] ME: you call me fucking useless [04.08.12 13:19:27] WBG: like if VE and I are town [04.08.12 13:19:30] ME: yes good [04.08.12 13:19:34] WBG: yes but if you are a town mason [04.08.12 13:19:37] WBG: shooting a town mason [04.08.12 13:19:41] WBG: is better than shooting a non town mason [04.08.12 13:19:46] ME: not if mafia has any idea what they are doing [04.08.12 13:19:51] WBG: so if we have 2 medics all they have to do is protect between 3 of us [04.08.12 13:20:00] WBG: what, we force them do double stack? [04.08.12 13:20:04] WBG: big fucking deal we forced them to ds [04.08.12 13:20:07] WBG: mission accomplished [04.08.12 13:20:11] ME: well assume you didnt call out the masons [04.08.12 13:20:12] ME: and you actually play well [04.08.12 13:20:18] ME: and you ask for protection [04.08.12 13:20:23] ME: any fucking medic [04.08.12 13:20:28] ME: will fucking protect you [04.08.12 13:20:29] WBG: I don't care about getting protection [04.08.12 13:20:34] ME: you dont know? [04.08.12 13:20:41] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:20:44] WBG: I would much rather die [04.08.12 13:20:45] WBG: n1 [04.08.12 13:20:49] WBG: the only reason I am in this game [04.08.12 13:20:51] WBG: is as a favor to BC [04.08.12 13:21:00] ME: fuck if you are town with this game [04.08.12 13:21:05] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:21:06] ME: there will be a lot of people shouting at you :D [04.08.12 13:21:09] WBG: I've been requesting town [04.08.12 13:21:10] WBG: for fucking [04.08.12 13:21:12] WBG: 3 months [04.08.12 13:21:22] ME: well [04.08.12 13:21:25] WBG: also no [04.08.12 13:21:26] WBG: I'm not bad [04.08.12 13:21:28] WBG: unlike you [04.08.12 13:21:31] WBG: so no one will be mad at me [04.08.12 13:21:32] WBG: you might be [04.08.12 13:21:33] WBG: cause you're bad [04.08.12 13:21:37] WBG: but that's not my problem [04.08.12 13:21:42] ME: i talked to 3 really good scumhunters about my problem [04.08.12 13:21:57] ME: just the basic theory [04.08.12 13:22:11] ME: of calling out masons in a mafia game this early [04.08.12 13:22:42] ME: ? [04.08.12 13:24:29] ME: oh wait ur scum nvm [04.08.12 13:24:36] WBG: what are you talking about [04.08.12 13:24:46] ME: meh [04.08.12 13:24:49] WBG: tell me [04.08.12 13:24:53] WBG: do you think mafia has a mason? [04.08.12 13:24:57] ME: maybe [04.08.12 13:25:04] ME: its bc [04.08.12 13:25:06] ME: bc can be mean [04.08.12 13:25:12] WBG: so mafia likely has a mason [04.08.12 13:25:18] WBG: you think mafia like attention? [04.08.12 13:25:25] ME: noooo [04.08.12 13:25:28] WBG: ok [04.08.12 13:25:30] WBG: then how the fuck [04.08.12 13:25:33] WBG: is outting a mason antitown [04.08.12 13:25:42] WBG: you have a pool of like [04.08.12 13:25:43] WBG: 2-3 players [04.08.12 13:25:52] WBG: chances are one of them is likely scum [04.08.12 13:26:07] WBG: if anyone tries to mason anyone else from now on and it's not you or VE the likelihood of them being scum is incredibly high [04.08.12 13:26:13] WBG: in fact VE is still possibly scum [04.08.12 13:26:18] WBG: though on behavior I think he's town [04.08.12 13:26:52] WBG: also it discourages use of mafia mason [04.08.12 13:26:56] ME: yes [04.08.12 13:26:57] WBG: so even if they have one [04.08.12 13:27:01] ME: so lets look at results as of right now [04.08.12 13:27:04] WBG: if they want to manipulate someone [04.08.12 13:27:04] ME: assuming [04.08.12 13:27:05] WBG: they won't use it [04.08.12 13:27:05] ME: yo [04.08.12 13:27:07] ME: assuming [04.08.12 13:27:14] ME: ve and i are town [04.08.12 13:27:17] ME: you traded knowledge to mafia [04.08.12 13:27:20] ME: about 2 blues [04.08.12 13:27:28] ME: for them not using potential masons [04.08.12 13:27:28] WBG: so what? [04.08.12 13:27:28] ME: have i got that right? [04.08.12 13:27:33] WBG: I also traded that info to town [04.08.12 13:27:39] WBG: which means medics know [04.08.12 13:27:41] WBG: who to protect [04.08.12 13:27:49] WBG: which means [04.08.12 13:27:52] WBG: SUB PAR SHOTS [04.08.12 13:27:58] ME: yes but those are new targets to protect [04.08.12 13:28:03] WBG: omg [04.08.12 13:28:04] WBG: who cares if [04.08.12 13:28:06] WBG: lurker #5 gets shot [04.08.12 13:28:12] WBG: if half the town thought he was scum to begin with [04.08.12 13:28:18] WBG: the number of lurkers in this game is like half the playerbase [04.08.12 13:28:32] ME: well yeah [04.08.12 13:28:40] ME: but you and VE assuming town [04.08.12 13:28:48] ME: would have been protected if playing well [04.08.12 13:28:56] ME: so there is no reason for your fucking play [04.08.12 13:29:04] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:29:06] WBG: like I said [04.08.12 13:29:08] WBG: I'm not fucking interested [04.08.12 13:29:11] WBG: in being protected [04.08.12 13:29:16] WBG: a;sp [04.08.12 13:29:17] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:29:18] WBG: for VE [04.08.12 13:29:22] WBG: outting him puts pressure on him [04.08.12 13:29:28] WBG: in a way that nothing else i could do would put pressure on him [04.08.12 13:29:38] WBG: because if he's scum obviously he wants to manipulate me [04.08.12 13:29:45] WBG: and he's capable of doing it, because he's not bad [04.08.12 13:29:52] WBG: I can't figure out a good scum in PMs, no one really can [04.08.12 13:30:16] WBG: also like I said earlier in the case he was mafia [04.08.12 13:30:20] WBG: why would I give him what he wanted? [04.08.12 13:30:46] ME: because it goes 2 ways [04.08.12 13:30:55] ME: pms are not a tool for him to fucking manipulate you [04.08.12 13:30:56] WBG: ??? [04.08.12 13:30:57] ME: you are a smart guy [04.08.12 13:31:03] WBG: if he's scum [04.08.12 13:31:06] ME: you can talk back its not like pms are a free manipulation [04.08.12 13:31:08] WBG: and he convinces me he is town [04.08.12 13:31:12] WBG: then how the hell [04.08.12 13:31:17] WBG: is that not manipulation [04.08.12 13:31:24] WBG: if a skilled mafia PMs you that means he WANTS to talk to you [04.08.12 13:31:36] WBG: I did it to sandro myself [04.08.12 13:31:39] WBG: he thought I was confirmed town [04.08.12 13:31:44] WBG: and chose to believe chaoser was scum over me [04.08.12 13:32:02] WBG: ultimately the only reason I died was because he had like 60 bluies [04.08.12 13:32:12] WBG: you can manipulate anyone in PMs [04.08.12 13:32:15] WBG: it's not even hard [04.08.12 13:33:05] ME: well [04.08.12 13:33:12] ME: its bullshit [04.08.12 13:33:27] Maajid M. Nazrulla: whatever [04.08.12 13:33:30] WBG: you keep denying [04.08.12 13:33:32] WBG: everything I say [04.08.12 13:33:34] ME: no [04.08.12 13:33:38] WBG: for who knows what reason [04.08.12 13:33:39] ME: i keep seeing your logic [04.08.12 13:33:41] WBG: talking to you [04.08.12 13:33:44] ME: and deciding its complete crap [04.08.12 13:33:44] WBG: is a waste of my time [04.08.12 13:33:50] WBG: because YOU'RE BAD [04.08.12 13:33:50] ME: well yeah cause ur scum [04.08.12 13:33:57] ME: and failed to manipulate me [04.08.12 13:33:59] WBG: everything you disagree with is just you being awful [04.08.12 13:34:05] WBG: I'm not manipulating you, retard [04.08.12 13:34:06] ME: also im doing you a favor [04.08.12 13:34:08] WBG: I'm fucking town [04.08.12 13:34:09] ME: you dont want to play this game [04.08.12 13:34:12] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:34:14] WBG: you're right [04.08.12 13:34:19] WBG: I actually do want to get lynched [04.08.12 13:34:20] ME: and if you are town [04.08.12 13:34:27] ME: you can shout at how bad my read was [04.08.12 13:34:27] WBG: I'm going to tell that to town [04.08.12 13:34:28] ME: np [04.08.12 13:34:29] WBG: just lynch me [04.08.12 13:41:15] WBG: also [04.08.12 13:41:21] WBG: this is your biggest fucking logic fail [04.08.12 13:41:23] WBG: if I was mafia [04.08.12 13:41:31] WBG: I already know you and VE are masons [04.08.12 13:41:35] WBG: so why would I fucking publicly out you [04.08.12 13:41:40] WBG: instead of just privately telling my team [04.08.12 13:42:01] WBG: your entire case is bullshit because of that simple reason [04.08.12 13:42:05] ME: VE scum too [04.08.12 13:42:06] ME: is the basic thought [04.08.12 13:42:16] WBG: yeah [04.08.12 13:42:17] WBG: you're fucking stupid as fuck [04.08.12 13:42:22] WBG: if you actually believe [04.08.12 13:42:24] WBG: that is a possibility [04.08.12 13:42:27] ME: thing is [04.08.12 13:42:30] ME: its as terrible [04.08.12 13:42:36] ME: as you outing masons as town [04.08.12 13:42:35] WBG: your argument [04.08.12 13:42:38] WBG: is that I am scum [04.08.12 13:42:44] WBG: because I outted masons publicly [04.08.12 13:42:46] ME: no [04.08.12 13:42:47] WBG: when the only time that makes sense [04.08.12 13:42:49] WBG: is if I am town [04.08.12 13:42:49] WBG: if I am scum [04.08.12 13:42:51] ME: no [04.08.12 13:42:53] ME: wbg [04.08.12 13:42:54] WBG: I would just tell my team what I Know [04.08.12 13:42:54] ME: its because [04.08.12 13:42:56] WBG: and not tell town [04.08.12 13:42:58] ME: of every fucking bad post [04.08.12 13:43:01] ME: after that [04.08.12 13:43:03] WBG: man [04.08.12 13:43:06] ME: filter yourself and read it [04.08.12 13:43:06] WBG: none of my posts are bad [04.08.12 13:43:06] WBG: you are bad [04.08.12 13:43:12] WBG: so when things disagree with you [04.08.12 13:43:13] WBG: you think they are [04.08.12 13:43:23] WBG: simple fact is that you have never caught scum other than me [04.08.12 13:43:31] WBG: and you have only caught me in othe rgames because it's the only thing you do [04.08.12 13:43:36] WBG: you call a bunch of people scum for no reason [04.08.12 13:43:40] WBG: you've done it in this game too [04.08.12 13:43:43] WBG: soft called hier scum [04.08.12 13:43:46] WBG: soft called zephirdd scum [04.08.12 13:43:50] WBG: call me scum as usual [04.08.12 13:44:00] WBG: call VE scum [04.08.12 13:44:39] ME: i only called you scum [04.08.12 13:44:44] ME: and VE was supicious [04.08.12 13:44:50] ME: never called hier scum [04.08.12 13:44:55] ME: never caled zephirdd scum [04.08.12 13:44:56] ME: O.o [04.08.12 13:46:06] WBG: it's sad [04.08.12 13:46:11] WBG: when you don't even know your own thoughts [04.08.12 13:46:11] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=17#334 [04.08.12 13:46:14] WBG: "VE probably suspicious" [04.08.12 13:46:29] ME: well thats my thought now [04.08.12 13:46:32] ME: at that point i was frustrated [04.08.12 13:46:39] ME: because no one talked about anything [04.08.12 13:46:45] ME: what about everything else you threw at me? [04.08.12 13:46:46] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#437 [04.08.12 13:46:54] WBG: "dear god I hope you are trolling" = soft call of hier scum [04.08.12 13:46:59] WBG: aka the only way he's town is if he's trolling [04.08.12 13:47:02] ME: what? [04.08.12 13:47:06] ME: have you read his case [04.08.12 13:47:11] WBG: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=352668¤tpage=22#438 [04.08.12 13:47:11] ME: have you seen how bad it was [04.08.12 13:47:13] WBG: soft calling zephirdd scum [04.08.12 13:47:19] WBG: for "contradicting" himself [04.08.12 13:47:27] WBG: it's not quite as bad as yours [04.08.12 13:47:32] WBG: yours is the worst case I've ever seen [04.08.12 13:47:35] WBG: you use a pro town tell [04.08.12 13:47:36] WBG: to call me scum [04.08.12 13:49:02] ME: i don't call zephirdd scum at all [04.08.12 13:49:09] ME: i point out shit he didnt say [04.08.12 13:49:12] ME: thats not soft calling anyone scum [04.08.12 13:49:19] ME: thats playing mafia rofl [04.08.12 13:49:22] WBG: soft calling is not directly [04.08.12 13:49:24] WBG: calling anyone scum [04.08.12 13:49:30] WBG: it's suggesting a suspicion [04.08.12 13:49:32] ME: well [04.08.12 13:49:35] WBG: the only person [04.08.12 13:49:37] ME: he does deserve it [04.08.12 13:49:38] ME: do you disagree? [04.08.12 13:49:40] WBG: you have called scum directly [04.08.12 13:49:40] WBG: is me [04.08.12 13:49:42] WBG: well also VE [04.08.12 13:49:45] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:49:47] WBG: zephirdd is probably town [04.08.12 13:49:53] WBG: VE is also probably town [04.08.12 13:49:54] ME: because he understood your master plan? [04.08.12 13:49:57] WBG: prplhz is scum [04.08.12 13:49:58] WBG: no [04.08.12 13:50:04] WBG: because he's not playing like a retard [04.08.12 13:50:09] WBG: and he's not being diplomatic [04.08.12 13:50:12] WBG: he took a controversial stance [04.08.12 13:50:17] WBG: when he didn't need to [04.08.12 13:50:27] WBG: also his opinion is clearly genuine [04.08.12 13:50:44] WBG: not something a mafia would do, they'd just sit back and lurk [04.08.12 13:50:46] WBG: like, idk [04.08.12 13:50:50] WBG: the rest of the playerbase [04.08.12 13:51:00] WBG: you're blind if you don't see how both grush and prpl [04.08.12 13:51:02] WBG: are obvious scum [04.08.12 13:51:32] WBG: broodking as well most likely GL! | ||
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