Newbie Mini Mafia XXI

On July 17 2012 07:26 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm done with tube. This is going around in circles and wasting time. His current approach to responding is making my head hurt.

I'd suggest we leave him alone until tomorrow morning to see if he is in fact capable of making reads. There's 11 other players to analyze and conclude whether we think they're scum or town. By no means does this imply I'm giving him a free pass. If he hasn't come back with something meaningful by lynch time tomorrow, I'm likely to be joining Jingle's (present) company.

I'm still waiting for Fulla to show up for real. Almost 24 hours now since his Welcome Everyone post.

On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote:
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.

> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.

> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.

> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.

> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.

> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.

> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.

> Calgar: My gut tells me town.

> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.

> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.

> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.

> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.

If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch.

On July 17 2012 22:36 iamperfection wrote:
Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide.

## Vote Obvious.660

On July 18 2012 06:16 JingleHell wrote:
Fulla, when he made that post, he was leaving his vote on tube, and also called me suspicious. Does that make us the fourth and fifth scum in that list of three you're accrediting to him?

On July 18 2012 18:31 Evulrabbitz wrote:
Due to some unforeseen circumstances I cannot be active for a few days so I require a replacement.

I apologize for this.

On July 19 2012 07:30 calgar wrote:
@fulla There isn’t much to say about you. I’ll start with your pledge at the beginning of the game “I will be active Very active /in x100” You don’t seem so excited now. You contribute absolutely nothing in the first 24 hours. You seem to have contributed a fair amount in your magic mafia game so don’t know what happened. You make one or two short posts that contribute relatively little content-wise. You said “Where the hell is obvious?” - my response to that is where the hell are YOU? I don’t even have anything to analyze here you’ve been so inactive.

On July 17 2012 11:31 YourHarry wrote:
Obvious.660 is obviously mafia. Kill with fire.

On July 17 2012 11:36 YourHarry wrote:
KILL OBVIOUS.660!!!

On July 19 2012 08:54 YourHarry wrote:
When Evul asked for a replacement, there was no hint of him being a power role. There are two possible explanations for this:

1. Scums didn't read that Evul is replacing out. (Not likely that all three or four missed this)
2. Some of scums really did not want speedbumps, who was going to replace Evul, to contribute to scumhunting

There is a third explanation, but I do not want to disclose that right now.

On July 17 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote:

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In other news, Fulla's filter makes me nervous.
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Just under 4 hours until a full day from his welcome post. Wtf? Perhaps busy or something, but ffs, that looks fishy.
FoS Fulla

On July 17 2012 09:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
Fulla it took over 24 hours from your first post to your second. Any comment beyond I'm new? Is this your normal posting habits or can we expect more from you?
I don't know what a rough statistic of what a one-liner poster might flip as, but it is not the same as an overactive day1 poster. The lack of content is what is detrimental, and that is reason enough for suspicion because that type of posting is beneficial to mafia. In general I don't believe an overly active poster could be hurting town unless he was actively pushing scummy agenda's and would probably get called out for it.

But of course just enough time to pop in and keep the suspicion on Obvious but he's actually gonna vote for me.

On July 18 2012 00:03 Hopeless1der wrote:
Going through Obvious's filter:

• Obvious.660 looks at YourHarry's early vote and manages to turn it into a big 'sacraficial lamb' strategy involving iamperfection and some unknown third scum (soon to be accused: tube)
  
• Responds to Jingle with an 'If I was Mafia...blah blah blah" Unacceptable as a defense due to WIFOM.
  
• Spends time trying to get tube to contribute. When tube finally steps up, he goes through a 'coached response, kill it' phase.
  
• Gets called out and somehow relates his vote back to his crazy sacrificial lamb strategy
  
• Says he got thrown off by the Capitalization, punctuation and paragraphs used by tube - after we spent so long ragging on tube for being useless and asking him to improve his posting. Obvious.660 was involved in asking tube to improve his posting.
  
  

Obvious.660's whole interaction regarding tube looks scummy. More to follow later, my vote remains on Fulla for the time being, but I'm heavily considering switching to Obvious.660


The other thing is that your reads are needed to help town no matter how newbie they are. Don't let that stop you.

On July 18 2012 08:48 Hopeless1der wrote:
Content notwithstanding, the following players are still on a 1 page filter:
(Post count started from Day 1 post)

Iamperfection: 3 posts
Fulla: 5 posts
Mufaa: 5 posts
drwiggl3s: 14 posts
Evulrabbitz: 7 posts

Players from above who voted for Obvious.660:
Iamperfection
Evulrabbitz
Fulla

I'll be gone for a bit. Going to look into iamperfection when I return, because he looks scummiest of the players listed there.

On July 19 2012 22:44 Hapahauli wrote:
Fulla, check my case against YourHarry here:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&currentpage=20#384

Brought most of this stuff up, and he has some replies (in my opinion, insufficient) to those posts shortly afterwards.

On July 19 2012 23:23 JingleHell wrote:
That reads painfully like an OMGUS, Fulla.

On July 21 2012 08:45 JingleHell wrote:
Fulla and Tube, you really need to explain your votes.

On July 21 2012 23:49 JingleHell wrote:


I more have the impression you bussed him, but without contributing your vote. Given you were around at the time, making posts like this one:




That almost looks like a better version of what wiggles tried to do to me.

Of course, Tube also looks completely shady right now, as Hapa outlined.

On July 24 2012 01:16 calgar wrote:
I’ll ask you though, fulla, why/how did you read Harry as town initially? He had very few posts until the kill obvious one-liners which is what made you go back on your initial read. This is the biggest criticism I can come up with for your play.