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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 15:46 GMT
#821
On July 21 2012 00:31 calgar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 00:25 YourHarry wrote:I do think that calgar clarified the rules with the mod via PM or QT which is why I asked:

+ Show Spoiler +
On July 20 2012 09:14 YourHarry wrote:
If someone asks a question to mod in QT or via PM, would you answer them via QT or PM?

I don't really know if this is outside the scope of the rules/game or not, but if it isn't then the mods will confirm that I received no mod PM regarding the issue in between my posts, which is what you are suggesting.


Even if mods confirm that you they didn't PM you regarding this issue, there is no way to know whether this has been answered in the QT.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 15:47 GMT
#822
Calgar, why didn't you find it suspicious that you did not receive roleblocked notification?
Never!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 15:51 GMT
#823
Scumslip #3.6 trillion. Logical Fallacy.

Vanilla townies also get roleblocked. So do scums


In no way contains the words "receive notification".

Regardless, if you'll notice, he ASKED IN THE THREAD when a person gets notification once he understood you.

Sometimes people "Understand" something, and then realize that they don't. Something can make some sort of sense the first time around to one part of your brain, and then later you realize "wait I don't get it".

Also, you were trying to cast suspicion in a game of FORUM MAFIA by making a response time sensitive. You were pressuring a fast response and then you accuse him because everything you say has seven different meanings, usually mutually exclusive.
Fulla
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom519 Posts
July 20 2012 15:56 GMT
#824
YourHarry, in summary

- you saying that Jingle is pretending to be JailKeeper?
- Calgar wouldn't know whether he was roleblocked or not?
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YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 15:58 GMT
#825
On July 21 2012 00:51 JingleHell wrote:
Scumslip #3.6 trillion. Logical Fallacy.

Show nested quote +
Vanilla townies also get roleblocked. So do scums


In no way contains the words "receive notification".


You are right, in that regard I should have made it clearer. But regardless, for calgar to retract his accusation for me role hunting, he must have understood that I meant vanilla townies get roleblocked. There is NO OTHER WAY.



Regardless, if you'll notice, he ASKED IN THE THREAD when a person gets notification once he understood you.


Yes, I did bring this point up in my previous post. But he asks this much later - only when I am interrogating him, when he should have wondered why he did not get the notification if you indeed jailed him.



Sometimes people "Understand" something, and then realize that they don't. Something can make some sort of sense the first time around to one part of your brain, and then later you realize "wait I don't get it".


Yes, there is a possibility that for some reason, this suspicion did not occur calgar's mind. But this is a generic defense that can be used against many accusations.


Also, you were trying to cast suspicion in a game of FORUM MAFIA by making a response time sensitive. You were pressuring a fast response and then you accuse him because everything you say has seven different meanings, usually mutually exclusive.


I as just asking him questions. Are you saying my questions were not clear enough? May be so, but the questions relevant to my accusation of calgar were pretty clear I thought. I don't know which questions of mine he could have misinterpreted.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 16:01 GMT
#826
On July 21 2012 00:56 Fulla wrote:
YourHarry, in summary

- you saying that Jingle is pretending to be JailKeeper?
- Calgar wouldn't know whether he was roleblocked or not?


Jingle *might* be pretending to be the jail keeper. But let's focus on my case against calgar.

I am saying that: since Calgar thought that vanilla townies will receive "roleblocked" notifications, when he found out that Jingle jailed calgar, calgar should have expected "roleblocked" notification.

Calgar admits that he didn't receive roleblocked, yet he also didn't find the situation suspicious.
Never!
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 16:04 GMT
#827
Sorry I willl be back later.
Never!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 16:07 GMT
#828
Well, Harry's OMGUS has served one purpose. He totally got the discussion away from pressuring him. However, I'm not sure what the conversation has moved to, except perhaps the value of Tylenol, which I just took.

Anyways, I think the last several pages of utterly nonsensical spam OMGUS have more value as evidence against Harry than anyone else. Any dissent?
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9646 Posts
July 20 2012 16:18 GMT
#829
i might regret this but

The one thing i dont like about it is that he tries to cast suspicion on you. In my view looking at it you are basically mod confirmed townie in my view now. The only other possibilty is their would have to be a roleblocker on the scum team. However, combined with your ability to play the role of aggresive townie and the actual circumstance of the bread crumb i highly doubt your lying and combined with probulous basically confirming that their is a role block role i think its safe to assume your town.

What i dont like about is why would the scum team continue to rally against you. It seems kind of silly to me to try and waste effort to try and cast doubt on you. Maybe im giving the scum team to much credit but in my view thier efforts are better spent else where.

So basically harrys accusation are so dumb in my view that he might be town because the scum team as whole i would think would recognize it would be a lost cause to go against you.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 16:25 GMT
#830
Hapa, meta case please? He's annoying as town, but not this terrible. And frankly, on the incredibly off chance he flips town, I still wouldn't call it a wasted day to ditch him. Any time there's a lull he makes the dumbest possible case? Maybe in the first half of D1 you can argue for that, but that's about it.

Frankly, I find it incredibly fishy that someone who's under suspicion would try to defend Harry.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 20 2012 16:29 GMT
#831
On July 21 2012 01:25 JingleHell wrote:
Hapa, meta case please? He's annoying as town, but not this terrible. And frankly, on the incredibly off chance he flips town, I still wouldn't call it a wasted day to ditch him. Any time there's a lull he makes the dumbest possible case? Maybe in the first half of D1 you can argue for that, but that's about it.

Frankly, I find it incredibly fishy that someone who's under suspicion would try to defend Harry.
Your pronouns are a little confusing to me here. Who are you talking about trying to defend Harry?
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 16:29 GMT
#832
Perfection. He's saying that Harry is too dumb to be scum. I think.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
July 20 2012 16:30 GMT
#833
EBWOP Ah I see, I stopped at him saying his accusations were dumb. Then he makes the defense.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 20 2012 16:30 GMT
#834
@ YourHarry - I'll get to your response within the hour

@ iamperfection:
On July 21 2012 01:18 iamperfection wrote:
i might regret this but

The one thing i dont like about it is that he tries to cast suspicion on you. In my view looking at it you are basically mod confirmed townie in my view now. The only other possibilty is their would have to be a roleblocker on the scum team. However, combined with your ability to play the role of aggresive townie and the actual circumstance of the bread crumb i highly doubt your lying and combined with probulous basically confirming that their is a role block role i think its safe to assume your town.

What i dont like about is why would the scum team continue to rally against you. It seems kind of silly to me to try and waste effort to try and cast doubt on you. Maybe im giving the scum team to much credit but in my view thier efforts are better spent else where.

So basically harrys accusation are so dumb in my view that he might be town because the scum team as whole i would think would recognize it would be a lost cause to go against you.


The problem is that YourHarry isn't really going after JingleHell. He's just pointing some vague suspicion at him (roleblock stuff) while pushing a case against Calgar. Watch how his attitudes to JingleHell change:

On July 20 2012 01:05 YourHarry wrote:
OH WOW. I THINK WE HAVE TO KILL JINGLE HELL........

JINGLE WHY DID YOU DRAW MAFIA..........

I WILL BE BACK LATER TO CLARIFY MY THOUGHTS

On July 20 2012 01:09 YourHarry wrote:
But....... Calgar today, i think. Jingle tomorrow maybe.

Hapha, I do understand that the absence of counter claim is the cause of doubt in my case against Jingle. Until that happens, I am in no way suggesting Jingle lynch, at least not today.


All this over the last day. That should speak for itself.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 20 2012 16:35 GMT
#835
On July 21 2012 01:25 JingleHell wrote:
Hapa, meta case please? He's annoying as town, but not this terrible. And frankly, on the incredibly off chance he flips town, I still wouldn't call it a wasted day to ditch him. Any time there's a lull he makes the dumbest possible case? Maybe in the first half of D1 you can argue for that, but that's about it.

Frankly, I find it incredibly fishy that someone who's under suspicion would try to defend Harry.


Meta case was posted D1 here
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&currentpage=20#384

I'm hesitant to do anything past D1, since he's displayed awareness of his meta after this was posted. I think his D1 behavior should speak for itself though.

As for iamperfection - I'm trying to wrap my head around how he voted for YourHarry a couple of pages ago to please us, and now is defending YourHarry with his vote still on him.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 16:37 GMT
#836
Ah yes, thank you. And yeah, if Harry flips, perfection will go to pretty much confirmed scum. Of course, unless there's a medic, I'm dead tonight anyways.
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 17:01 GMT
#837
Perfection, that is also a valid point. Scum Harry would know that Jingle is jail keeper. There is no way that scum Harry (unless busing Jingle) would try to go against what he knows to be a confirmed Jail Keeper.

Town Harry, on the other hand, is being suspicious for many things Jingle had said, including the untimely breadcrumb. But either way, I am not proposing Jingle lynch today. There is some chance that I could be wrong, in which case we would be risking lynching a blue role.

What I am pushing for is Calgar lynch.

Never!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 17:08 GMT
#838
Are you actually WIFOMing yourself?
YourHarry
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1152 Posts
July 20 2012 17:13 GMT
#839
I am already late for work and will try my best to make some time to post before the deadline. Assuming I am scum, think about this.

Scum Harry is so careless to not try to match the meta and voting style from XX game, even though Harry knows that many players from XX are also playing here.

Scum Harry is daring enough to attract attention by putting his votes all over the place - where his genuine reads are.

Scum Harry is stupid enough to go against claimed Jail Keeper in Jingle.

Scum Harry is getting quickly becoming next inevitable person to be lynched, which is usually an indication that townie is getting bandwagoned by some or all members of the scum team.

Scum Harry, despite knowing that he will be lynched, is so stupid to not claim Detective or Medic, which would allow his scum team to identify one of the blue roles.

Assuming I am scum, I did almost everything I can to draw attention to myself. I even gave up scum team's chance to find out the power role...
Never!
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
July 20 2012 17:15 GMT
#840
Exactly, so the rest of your scum team is probably cheering for us to secure the lynch right now.
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