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On July 17 2012 06:52 Evulrabbitz wrote:Yes. Thanks. Why have you been so quiet evul? Rather inactive recently besides picking at one of my posts.
On July 17 2012 08:40 Obvious.660 wrote:You are correct about my reading. I didn't read it super closely. It still has your style laced into it, it's just hidden behind capital letters and almost-paragraphs. This is what I get for reading on my mobile device. Not that you're cleared of suspicion, but I tunneled on you hard and I need to back up and re-assess, and certainly give you the chance to participate before I throw you under the bus. My eyes were on you, and only you, and that's something scum would love to see if you are town. I'm sorry about that. I wish I had more to go on regarding my other suspicions, their inactivity left me not much else to look for.
We're coming up on 24 hours soon, which means 24 to go. Ample opportunity to change my vote. The vote remains until a more suitable candidate arises. I understand what you mean about re-assessing; it's a big turn and it deserves careful thought. I think it's important to ask a few questions in regards to the 'change'. Is it such a big change after being nagged and attacked? I did request that he use sentences and punctuation. Would YOU have a philosophical change like that mid game? Does it make more sense for a townie or a mafia to change styles? Is the more complicated answer really the best one? This is what I've been thinking.
It's certainly suspect but I am currently inclined to read town. I think it's a very risky strategy to try and escape suspicion because of a philosophical change. Very prone to backfire and I would think he would have had to plan it before the game even began. His last game was in 2011 and he posted similarly to how he did at the beginning of our thread (for what little use that meta-analysis is).
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On July 17 2012 09:43 Evulrabbitz wrote:
I have been quiet because I have nothing to add. I picked at your post because I thought it was poorly worded and wanted a clarification.
I have noticed that the majority of players are from the United States so I want to point out right now that I am from Sweden, which is in the CEST time zone (at the moment). I consistently read the thread to keep up with discussion but unless there is heated discussion or I have something that is worth adding immediately I usually post late evening/night (E.g it's 3AM here at the moment). Noted regarding the time zone.
Nevertheless, 8 pages of discussion and you have nothing to add? Discussions, accusations, voting have been going on and you don't have anything to say? No suspicions? Your lack of posting is anti-town currently.
I would like to refer you to obvious' previous quote because I think it is applicable here.On July 17 2012 07:26 Obvious.660 wrote:You need to share what you know and what you believe. It's important because if you are town and get randomly chosen (assuming no better target exists for mafia) tonight and die, you have contributed nothing of value and we will never really know why you were chosen.
Maybe they got tired of reading your posts.
Maybe they want to use you as a vehicle of suspicion on others who had formed opinions against you or defended you.
Bottom line - having no opinion is not playing town-safe
I think that's it for me tonight - I'm still IGMEOY iamperfection.
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On July 17 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:
And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you. You've managed to vaguely reply to my post, yet you've addressed none of the content.
You've lurked and been generally unproductive.
You come in and point two fingers immediately but fail to later support your case.
You get your case from another person and add no thought to it.
You use poor logic and disregard my direct questions to you.
##Vote iamperfection
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Well guys, we have a clutserf*#@ of a mess here currently. I’ll do my best to outline my thoughts concisely.
1. @jingle and @hapa – jesus christ guys chill out already. Your back and forth is unproductive, distracting, spammy, and most importantly, anti-town. That is reason enough to stop, immediately. Deal with your issues outside of the thread.
2. My strongest mafia read is iamperfection. He has completely ignored my questions and has posted little. He has jumped to conclusions and used poor logic. He’s either mafia or a townie playing extremely poorly.
Once again he just targets whoever is already receiving heat, in this case obvious (his logic isn’t as terrible this time around, but still). Very safe vote to make that doesn’t require him to do anything risky. He backs off of me when I vote him to avoid any confrontation. I acted very differently when people accused me – I took them seriously. I gave thorough responses and addressed concerns. He has ignored them. I suspect he is sliding by right now because of the large number of other targets currently being thrown around.
3. @jingle – can you briefly summarize the crux of your suspicions in two or three sentences? I ask because to me, obvious reads town.
I think he reads town because:
1- He also has a read on iamperfection, who I think is a good d1 lynch choice
2- He casts FOS on yourharry early on, who I am inclined to think is mafia (see #4).
3- I think the ‘under the bus’ was read into similarly to how I was read into earlier
4- I think he tunneled and overanalyzed whereas a simpler solution may be more likely in the case of his rash tube accusation.
5- He tries to coax fulla into posting, which fulla ignores. I tried to coax evul into posting, which evul ignores.
6- In conclusion, obvious and I seem to be playing a very similar game. IMO, the only thing that separates him from me is his vote and unvote against tube. As an afterthought, he’s read me as town so I am slightly more inclined to believe him. Maybe a clever psychological play on his part.
4. I’m inclined to change my vote to yourharry now. I would like to go with my read but I realize my single vote isn’t going to matter if no one else feels the same way. Here’s why:
1- I like hapa’s case and think it is well-thought out. I agree with most of his points.
2- those one liners that yourharry posted really pissed me off. Anti-town play and spam.
3- he voted for jingle and I read jingle as strongly town
4- his posting style changes after he is accused. Look at his posts 1-14 in the thread. They seem to be useless, spam, and 1-liners. Until he is accused, and all the sudden he’s dropping paragraphs. Maybe he’s blue and trying to lay low but he played it very poorly if that’s the case.
##Unvote
##Vote YourHarry
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@jingle Thanks for the concise summary. I can see why you suspect him but I’ve interpreted everything differently. I don’t see the list as a sign of mafia summary/clutter. I agree with a lot of what he has written; he’s suspicious of some of the same people I am. I could just as easily be on the block for ‘wait and see’, when he’s on it for under the bus. I’ll agree it’s bizarre to turn it into a case against you (you’re referring to YourHarry here, I assume). What do you think of iamperfection?
@YourHarry
On July 18 2012 04:27 YourHarry wrote:1. I responded against hapha's case. Please read it and let me know what you think.
I see your reasoning and think a lot of it makes sense. You’ve still behaved in an anti-town manner which is why I am suspicious in the first place. You can’t deny it’s suspicious to say “we need to vote it’s getting close” followed by “I don’t know, abstain”.
2. I pissed you off by posting one liners! LOL. Anyways, is it anti-town? Hmm, I guess putting in more thoughts and reasoning behind the posts would serve the town better. But after I read the posts, I did not have a strong opinion. So I posted one liners to incite some reactions. Either way, is it a sign of scum? I don't particularly see a reason why scum would want to bring attention to himself by posting spam one-liners to piss people off.
Yes, those posts annoyed me. Tube also, judging from his comment. The town benefits from direction, clarity, and transparency. Your posts have contained none of that in many cases. You’re WIFOMing me now but it’s anti-town regardless.
On July 18 2012 04:34 YourHarry wrote:And calgar, how could you! After I defended your "wait and see" comment 
This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. What is the point of this post? You defended me, so what, I don’t owe you any loyalty when you have been posting like you have. Act pro-town and you’ll earn my trust.
OK. How should i have played if I wanted to lay low, LOL. I am BTW not claiming blue here LOL. WIFOM LOL. Are you role hunting here?!! I start to ramble here; I’m not sure exactly what I mean. Wondering why your posting was useless for a time and throwing out random/unlikely possibilities. Apologies for lack of clarity.
In summary, I think your play has been anti-town but perhaps not enough to warrant a vote. Regardless, it doesn’t look like my vote will matter today. I’ll leave it on you for now considering people won't go for my other choices.
@ people voting for obvious.660
I still disagree with going for obvious. He has tried to be active, promote discussion, and make reads. I think he's posted a little carelessly and everyone is targeting him now. These mistakes are being interpreted for mafia but I'm seeing it as a town who is trying to be proactive. We still have mufaa and iamperfection playing like sheep, like 2 posts, weak reads, no content. I consider both to be a better lynch than obvious.660.
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On July 18 2012 05:15 Mufaa wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, just re-read the filters. Fulla and Evulrabbitz: Where are you? Post a thought of some sort, it's almost the end of D1 and you haven't even posted suspicions once. Regarding Obvious.660's scum list, that doesn't necessarily mean he is scum. I do agree that posting full lists usually doesn't help, but in the previous game I played and from what I've seen in random other games the scum are usually hiding behind lists after someone else has posted one so they know they won't get massive flack for it. I'm not sure about Obvious in general, but that list is far from incriminating in my eyes. Currently I'd like to see a lynch on Iamperfection since every person he attacks is already the focus of the thread. The only really unique thing he has contributed is that Calgar probably isn't scum since Calgar voted for him after Iamperfection voted for Calgar. He then follows that up by not addressing Calgar's legitimite points (poor logic, bandwagoning, ignoring questions) and says "if anyone else wants to come at me, bring it." This reeks of scum just staying active while not actually contributing anything. If he was town he'd have no reason to be so hostile there, Calgar wasn't getting heated when questioning him. What are you so defensive about Iamperfection? ##Vote IamperfectionOn July 17 2012 22:36 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:06 Obvious.660 wrote:
There aren't enough fingers to go around at this point. I will share a few thoughts before I sleep, as I may not make it back in time for any further analysis. Seriously, the town play needs to improve overall or we're going to mislynch tonight. It's awful that I am reading more scum than town.
> tube still has my vote. Don't just look at the filter, it's better to read the actual thread when looking at him. Very few quotes to address the accusations against him in his responses will make analysis of tube troublesome without going through unfiltered.
> YourHarry: Highly, highly suspicious of this one. Not because he voted for me, but because of HOW IT WAS DONE.
> JingleHell is suspicious to me for his constant attacks on what words are chosen: "Wait and see" -- "Under the bus" conversations, where intent was pretty clear and he chose to always take it in the most negative context possible. He's railed on Calgar and me fairly hard.
> Hopeless1der makes a safe vote against the lurking Fulla. Wanted to know about no-lynch for whatever reason. Leaning scum here.
> Fulla seems to be lurking hard. Brings up a point of inquiry for some irrelevant statistic and probably goes to sleep.
> iamperfection read my post but clearly didn't follow the conversation in entirety. Points a few fingers, nothing overly suspicious. I would call the posting history semi-engaging but barely active. Leaning scum here.
> Calgar: My gut tells me town.
> Mufaa: Two posts. One starts analysis with the promise of more. The extra analysis is nowhere to be found. However, his line of reasoning regarding JingleHell seems to be spot on so far today.
> drwiggl3s: No scummy feelings here, yet.
> Evulrabbitz: Lurky, but lives in Sweden. 7 hours ahead of EST, if my just-before-sleep math is any good. I'm probably off by an hour. Look for something from Evul in the very near future, well before vote time.
> Hapahauli: Should be weighing in today. I have no strong feelings either way about his contributed play.
If you get nothing else out of this, town members need to take a good look at their individual contributions and ask themselves if they've done everything they can today to work towards a good day one lynch. Isnt posting meaningless lists about every one in the game a way that mafia try to do to buy town cred. By being non commital you are trying to keep you options open so nothing can be used against you later. In fact the first guide that is posted in this thread states that what you just did is something scum do to try and hide. Why would a townie try and do something like that. I would say you are reading a diffrent section of the guide. ## Vote Obvious.660 Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 20:39 calgar wrote:On July 17 2012 13:30 iamperfection wrote:
And two can play at this game calgar i still got my eye on you. You've managed to vaguely reply to my post, yet you've addressed none of the content. You've lurked and been generally unproductive. You come in and point two fingers immediately but fail to later support your case. You get your case from another person and add no thought to it. You use poor logic and disregard my direct questions to you. ##Vote iamperfection I remove my FOS calgar I dont think a scum player would just outright vote for me after i acussed them. And if anyone elses wants to come after the perfect one i say bring it. Thank you for posting that - I just attacked you a second ago because you had no posts in like the last 24 hours. I withdraw my comment because I agree with your reasoning.
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@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak.
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On July 18 2012 05:47 YourHarry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 05:18 calgar wrote:On July 18 2012 04:34 YourHarry wrote:And calgar, how could you! After I defended your "wait and see" comment This is the kind of stuff I’m talking about. What is the point of this post? You defended me, so what, I don’t owe you any loyalty when you have been posting like you have. Act pro-town and you’ll earn my trust. OK... Wait a sec. I obviously was joking here... I couldn't tell, apologies. I'm more critical of everything you say now because I don't like what I've read into you motive-wise.
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On July 18 2012 05:51 drwiggl3s wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 05:41 tube wrote:
And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet. The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia.
I'm defending him, have you read my posts?! I would be trying harder if it didn't seem it was already a foregone conclusion.
Let's see who's voting him? iamperfection - I think he's mafia. evul - won't post content; ignored my request to do so. tube, yourharry - people who have come under fire for post quality. jingle. Overall, I don't think it's the most reliable group that's casting the vote here. It seems like an easy vote to make with no risk.
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On July 18 2012 05:56 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 05:25 calgar wrote:
@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak. NOTE: I have to catch a train and I'll be gone until close to the lynch deadline. Can I rely on you to lobby for the iamperfection lynch Calgar? Yes, I'll do my best.
I'll vote for anyone at this point that I think is more likely to be mafia than obvious.660. iamperfection has a bad history so I think he is a good option instead. I don't mean to be wishy-washy and go back and forth but it's a scramble at this point to try and swing the vote.
##Unvote YourHarry
##Vote iamperfection
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On July 18 2012 06:03 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 05:57 calgar wrote:On July 18 2012 05:51 drwiggl3s wrote:On July 18 2012 05:41 tube wrote:
And why are you dismissing the accusations against Obvious as petty bandwagons, he hasn't even defended himself yet. The fact that he hasn't posted to defend himself, the fact that no one is strongly defending him, tells me that he's probably not mafia. I'm defending him, have you read my posts?! I would be trying harder if it didn't seem it was already a foregone conclusion. Let's see who's voting him? iamperfection - I think he's mafia. evul - won't post content; ignored my request to do so. tube, yourharry - people who have come under fire for post quality. jingle. Overall, I don't think it's the most reliable group that's casting the vote here. It seems like an easy vote to make with no risk. And how many of those people considered you suspicious at one point in time? Casting aspersions based on that oh-so in-depth analysis of our posting to try and swing the vote off of obvious, on the grounds that "he's scum because nobody is strongly defending him" except, of course, for you and hapa... hmmm. That wasn't my "grounds", that was drwiggles. I've outlined several reasons I think he has displayed pro-town play.
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On July 18 2012 06:12 JingleHell wrote:Well, frankly, your entire town read involves him agreeing with you, based on the rather smallish case against perfection, and the case against harry. Literally anyone could see harry as suspicious now, and perfection hasn't posted enough to be regarded as scummier than anyone yet.
Perfection's low volume and semi-suspicious content don't strike me as being quite worth a vote without seeing context based on how a lynch target flips. He could either be scummy or just too inactive, at this point, as I already stated. You've mis-characterized my read as simpler than it is. It's not only because we agree.
I think, based on his limited post history, iamperfection is a better lynch (where is he, anyways...?). I'd rather vote for someone with few posts that displays decidedly mafia-esque behavior than someone with many more who has had positive town impact in posts and some shifty reads/decisions. All negative in one case whereas there is some positive in the second, leading to a higher percentage of successful lynch. That's my theory.
-He operates with the principle "Form an opinion, roll with it, see what information it can get you. Don't sit on the sideline and let everyone else do the work." A pro-discussion principle which he follows.
-He convinces tube to become a useful player by questioning him. This is decidedly pro-town.
-He tunnels and makes a bad read, as he says and backs off. The theory is attractive in some sense; if a personality change did occur then it would be possible that it were coached. He just overestimated the personality shift that occurred. Bad read, which he then backs off of. Why would mafia go out on the line like this with a bold call, and then retract? This is WIFOM I know...
-He puts up content voluntarily for people to discuss, which is more than others have been doing in the way of discussion promoting.
I guess I'm having a hard time defending him. What's there is there, it's just how you interpret it. It would be nice if he showed up.
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On July 18 2012 06:42 JingleHell wrote:
And frankly, I don't expect Obvious to be a mislynch. Well, it looks decided so I rest my case. If you're right then I have a lot to reconsider.
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On July 18 2012 08:24 JingleHell wrote:
Why would you claim vet, though? It totally negates the value of it as a role. You would claim vanilla townie so as to not negate the value.
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On July 18 2012 08:28 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:27 calgar wrote:On July 18 2012 08:24 JingleHell wrote:
Why would you claim vet, though? It totally negates the value of it as a role. You would claim vanilla townie so as to not negate the value. Oh, great idea. Ok, since we can trust anyone who claims townie, let's just ask. Guys, who's scum? I'm just answering your question. Claiming vet would not have saved him - mufaa misspoke in that regard. He would have had to be present in the thread and arguing for himself to make any difference. Even then maybe not.
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@vigilante – I believe our next lynch has a high likelihood of being iamperfection. A number of people currently consider him the best choice now. It doesn’t look like he is bothered to respond to accusations or post much in general. I strongly advise to (carefully) consider a hit on him to save us a day, imo. Then on to the bigger fish.
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@jingle Why do you propose sealing my fate to the vigilante kill? That doesn’t make sense because it would be poor play for both town and mafia. Why are you trying to bait me? It seems like only a mafia would try to set me up to look bad after the vigilante hit. I would only make that as town if I had delusions of grandeur and being the town hero. If I were right then I’d have made a big call. If wrong, then I would basically be giving the game away since 8 towns would go to 7 with the vig kill, then lynch on me to 6, then a night kill to 5. Game over, essentially, at the very least handed mafia a massive lead that requires perfect play to overcome. If I’m mafia then I doubt I would tie myself down to the verdict because I know I’d be lynched after.
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On July 19 2012 02:51 JingleHell wrote:
How is it scummy to ask you to be confident in your read, when you want someone to be killed on such a tiny amount of evidence? If you're so confident that the risk of him flipping town doesn't exist, you should certainly feel safe being directly associated with his potential death that way.
It's the same risk every single person takes when they cast their vote. If it's a mislynch, you're tied to it.
If you try to tell the vigi to kill someone, and it's wrong, you should be associated with the suggestion you made. If you're not all that confident that he's scum that you're willing to take credit for it, then it's not wasted time to put pressure on him before killing him.
I stand behind my pressure, but I'm not going to be stupid about it and die for no reason on the off chance that I'm wrong and he was just a bad townie. Anyone who would do so is either anti-town or astoundingly dumb.
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Alright townies, I'll call it like I see it.
@hapa I’ll agree with you that it may be too soon to call a vig hit. I’m with you on the YourHarry case. Whatever they say, it’s process of elimination and if out of 11 players remaining there are 6-7 behaving town-ish and 3-4 behaving mafia-ish then we need to go for those in the 3-4. Fulla doesn’t know what’s going on which is funny to me in some sense. Better case for being a bad-townie I think than YourHarry. But it’s definitely anti-town play. I’d say YourHarry is higher on the list because his anti-town play is more extensive.
about iamperfection: The problem is that, as far as I’m concerned, we’re already at the end of the road. He’s either mafia or a bad townie. Watching him post more bad reads, contradictions, and poor logic (which he continues to do) isn’t going to change any of that. He’s already crazy suspicious, what is more dirt on him going to do? It’s still back to the basic problem of whether or not he’s just a bad town. An invest on him is risky because he is a likely candidate for the role change cloak since so much attention is targeted at him. I've got to laugh and shake my head at "ill be back later tonight" that he said. Did he consider the chance of being killed? So sure that he won't be? Probably right, since he's so anti-town. Even if he was town they wouldn't touch him. His haphazard play would be poor for both town and mafia so it's a tough call.
@fulla There isn’t much to say about you. I’ll start with your pledge at the beginning of the game “I will be active Very active /in x100” You don’t seem so excited now. You contribute absolutely nothing in the first 24 hours. You seem to have contributed a fair amount in your magic mafia game so don’t know what happened. You make one or two short posts that contribute relatively little content-wise. You said “Where the hell is obvious?” - my response to that is where the hell are YOU? I don’t even have anything to analyze here you’ve been so inactive.
@YourHarry You’ve been called out for anti-town play and you haven’t done a single thing in my eyes to change. I can’t come up with a list this long for any other player besides iamperfection.
1. Your “read” on how fulla is “positively town” is very bad logic. Piling on to a vote right before the deadline is far from pro-town. I’m pretty sure you’re the only one getting that feeling because he is crazy suspicious to me. You then backtrack – see #9.
2. You lack any strong reads or dedicated suspicion. See what I’m doing here with this list?
3. I think it’s possible that you bussed iamperfection in your post: “Jingle, iamperfection, tube... Can't be this easy right.”
4. Your analysis of obvious’ summary quote as sounding like “like forced narration to seem pro townie” is a weak justification for piling onto the veteran. In fact, your words sound like what is quoted.
5. My reads are all different than yours so maybe I just suck. Or maybe you’re purposely spreading suspicion on other players I have pegged as town.
6. “And, I want you guys to be convinced that if tube is town, so am I.” WHAT? You just called him out for being suspicious for piling on. Where does this one liner come from? Where is your reasoning, your logic? Why would a town drop random one-liners like that making vague suggestions about innocence. You don’t need to claim innocence, you show it, which you haven’t.
7. Your posts have attempted to spread blame to me (subtly), jingle, iamperfection, tube, and obvious. Which is it, now?
8. You began the game with contentless, spammy, directionless one-liners until you were pressured. Anti-town as I have said before. You even agree with me on this one!
9. Your votes lack conviction and you backtrack. Obvious backtracked also but we agreed on most things and he pressured people to talk. That's why I felt strongly he was town. You happen to share neither category with obvious.
10. Mind telling me what this great excuse that explains your anti-town play is? “(LOL, this is actually exactly how I acted on D1, but I have an excuse )”
Your days are numbered playing like this.
IGMEOY iamperfection, YourHarry, fulla
As for town direction, I propose to pressure the above and decide from there.
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alright Jingle. you’re a bull in the china shop; an elephant tip-toeing over the piano Keys. i knew; what can i say – you’re like arguing with a brick wall.
Your case is weak right now but I’ll grant you a reply.
On July 19 2012 07:57 JingleHell wrote: If Perfection is scum, the calling for a vigi hit was an attempt to earn calgar town credit, and if Perfection is town, he's an easy sell for a mislynch.
Wait, what? If he is mafia, then you’re suggesting that I’m mafia and I voted to kill another mafia, to boost my town cred, when you are saying to leave the mafia alive for more questioning? Doesn’t that mean I am currently pushing for a mafia player to get killed, while you are arguing to leave him alive? Explain to me how that makes ANY sense. If he is town, we’ll never really be able to know – see my thoughts on him and why an invest isn’t very useful.
Regardless, Calgar's late in the day effort to "Save" obvious once it became clear saving him would be difficult looks like an effort at town cred. It's heavy WIFOM, but it was a mediocre effort, and too little too late. Certainly not enough to make him look clean to me. You argued to kill a town member, I argued to save him. How does this ‘mediocre’ effort by a vote you caused with a POOR READ reflect guilt on my part? It was clear to me by inactivity and lack of conversation that people were going to stick their vote and not listen. I don’t understand how trying to save the townie made me look more guilty. If hopeless and one vote had swung over, iamperfection could have gotten 5 votes first.
Furthermore, he jumps votes like it's going out of style, and despite pushing his side bandwagon on perfection late D1, he didn't change his vote until he got Hapa onboard with it. Check the timing in the filter. Despite his seeming desperation to "save" obvious by pushing perfection, Calgar left his vote on YourHarry until AFTER Hapa changed votes. What? I jump votes like it’s going out of style to SAVE A TOWN MEMBER. How has this escaped your notice? You have some master vision of my theory crafting and play in order to build credit. Don’t you think these pro-town actions might have a simpler expalantion? I didn’t change my vote until after hapa because I was being resourceful to pool votes to wherever they could go. I thought YourHarry or iamperfection were better D1 lynches so I would have voted either to save obvious. I switched because we got a third onto iamperfection and it looked plausible that we might swing it over.
Go back to the very beginning of D1, he was pointing to his lack of history to analyze, and hoping to cast doubts on the various methods people can use to spot scum. He was actively spreading the seeds of doubt for any analysis that could be directed his way. Your language is much more cloudy and less straightforward than mine. WTF do you mean with “seeds of doubt”. Why are you speaking like you’re a poet? Your previous argument was based on suspicious words like “under the bus”. Where did that get you?
This second one casts huge WIFOM type doubts around, he can point to it later as needed. "See guys, I even said back then we should avoid watching this stuff". I’ve voluntarily chosen to be in the spotlight. This is a bad play for mafia – it’s even in the advice guide. Sooner or later you can’t keep up your town cred by making pro town votes (like trying to save a myslynch from you). WIFOM, whatever.
Also, Calgar was, at first, one of the people calling me scummy for saying we don't have sufficient info for a vigi kill to feel really safe. When Hapa agreed, I'm suddenly not on Calgar's scumlist in his recent post? Again, "me-too"-ing on Hapa. I’ve never called you scummy. You’ve never been on my scumlist. I read you as strongly town. I’ve said so before, check my filter.
I called you out there because your reasoning was stupid. You won’t agree because you are stubborn. That’s just what we have to deal with in a thread that includes you. I'll let it slide because sometimes townies don't always make the best calls (obvious).
On July 18 2012 06:42 JingleHell wrote:
And frankly, I don't expect Obvious to be a mislynch. I would imagine you don't think I'll be a mislynch, either?
@YourHarryCare to respond to anything? Nice OMGUS also. You were joking about defending me earlier. Asking people to claim? There's #12 on my list. "I do not want to disclose that right now." --> anti-town play. #13
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