• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:50
CEST 19:50
KST 02:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League36Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164Rollback Netcode in Brood War1345.0.17 Patch Notes - October 7, 202624Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0
StarCraft 2
General
No more sc2 streamers on team liquid? Server Blocker Stellar Fest 2 Replay Pack SCII needs to put more weight on strategy and tact Terran AddOns placement
Tourneys
WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Mineral gathering rate (boosted) for each patch BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos
Tourneys
[ASL22] Grand Finals [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023 Football (Soccer) Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 10861 users

Newbie Mini Mafia XXI - Page 2

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 14:43 GMT
#385
I believe YourHarry to be a better lynch case than Tube or Obvious.660 at this stage of the game.

While Tube has made some suspicious posts, he's waaaaay too upfront/naieve about his suspicious behavior, and comes across as a really really bad townie player. Suspicion alone is not enough to lynch someone - its more important to look for Mafia Motive.

Obvious.660 reads as pretty townie to me. He has many lengthy posts, provides clear reasoning for his actions, is playing recklessly. I don't understand the bandwagon at all, and this looks all too similar to the "LYNCH LAZERMONKEY" bandwagon on Day 1 in Newbie Mini Mafia XX. I don't want to spend pages and pages screaming in his defense this game, but I will do if we do this bandwagon shit again.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 14:54 GMT
#386
@ Fulla - Start posting NOW. It's inexcusable to have 1 post at this point in the game.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 15:07 GMT
#390
I don't find Obvious.660's "list" suspicious at all. While he lists people, his motive is to make all his thoughts and reads known as opposed to pointing out individual suspicious. In addition, look at his posts on drwiggl3s and Calgar - why on earth would he establish the "townieness" of people if he was mafia? It goes against mafia motive to cast suspicion on as many people as possible.

There was a similar player in the last game I played (Mackin). He was a townie, but often provided his information/reads in "list" posts like these.

In short, while it can be interpreted as suspicious, it doesn't read as such.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 15:10 GMT
#391
On July 18 2012 00:02 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
I believe YourHarry to be a better lynch case than Tube or Obvious.660 at this stage of the game.

While Tube has made some suspicious posts, he's waaaaay too upfront/naieve about his suspicious behavior, and comes across as a really really bad townie player. Suspicion alone is not enough to lynch someone - its more important to look for Mafia Motive.

Obvious.660 reads as pretty townie to me. He has many lengthy posts, provides clear reasoning for his actions, is playing recklessly. I don't understand the bandwagon at all, and this looks all too similar to the "LYNCH LAZERMONKEY" bandwagon on Day 1 in Newbie Mini Mafia XX. I don't want to spend pages and pages screaming in his defense this game, but I will do if we do this bandwagon shit again.


And Hapahauli kicks off his usual behavior of trying to railroad the town, based on his oh so exemplary record of finding one whole scum in Newbie XX, and conveniently ignoring all the bad cases he personally had going there while knocking any cases he disliked from it.

/yawn

I'll just stick with ignoring you, thanks.


Jingle. I don't want us getting into a dickfight again in this game. It'll only create chaos in the town. I will make every effort to remain civil with you, and all I ask you provide reasoning for your opinions as opposed to dismissing my case based on my "ego" or whatever.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 15:29 GMT
#393
On July 18 2012 00:18 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:10 Hapahauli wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:02 JingleHell wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:43 Hapahauli wrote:
I believe YourHarry to be a better lynch case than Tube or Obvious.660 at this stage of the game.

While Tube has made some suspicious posts, he's waaaaay too upfront/naieve about his suspicious behavior, and comes across as a really really bad townie player. Suspicion alone is not enough to lynch someone - its more important to look for Mafia Motive.

Obvious.660 reads as pretty townie to me. He has many lengthy posts, provides clear reasoning for his actions, is playing recklessly. I don't understand the bandwagon at all, and this looks all too similar to the "LYNCH LAZERMONKEY" bandwagon on Day 1 in Newbie Mini Mafia XX. I don't want to spend pages and pages screaming in his defense this game, but I will do if we do this bandwagon shit again.


And Hapahauli kicks off his usual behavior of trying to railroad the town, based on his oh so exemplary record of finding one whole scum in Newbie XX, and conveniently ignoring all the bad cases he personally had going there while knocking any cases he disliked from it.

/yawn

I'll just stick with ignoring you, thanks.


Jingle. I don't want us getting into a dickfight again in this game. It'll only create chaos in the town. I will make every effort to remain civil with you, and all I ask you provide reasoning for your opinions as opposed to dismissing my case based on my "ego" or whatever.


Are you blind, or just ignoring everything you disagree with again? I already provided my reasoning for voting on Obvious, and you dismissed it completely, based purely on WIFOM and assumptions. You're a brick wall in an argument, so I'm not going to bother. Would you like me to link some posts (which you ignored completely) explaining why you're at the very least not worth the bother of arguing against, and in some ways, have the potential to be bad for town?

Would you like me remind you of the BassInSpace case you were busily trying to tear to shreds? You know, the guy we lynched in part because of my ego, who was the LAST SCUM?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&currentpage=51#1001
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&currentpage=51#1007


So what? I made a mistake about Bass. Most of my case was based off his voting pattern rather than the content of his posts, which were suspicious in hindsight (took wishy-washy stances on Mackin/YourHarry).

However, may I remind you about LazerMonkey, who you relentlessly tried to lynch D1 despite him flipping townie at the end? Obvious.660 reminds me more of LazerMonkey - I'm defending him based on his posting style and tone. How on earth is he more suspicious than YourHarry?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 16:10 GMT
#398
On July 18 2012 00:44 YourHarry wrote:
Haph. Regards to meta. While I believe that meta is very useful in determining town/scum alignments, I do not think it's useful to simply compare the length of the posts. Scum Harry does know that people like you, jingle, and hopeless would keep his eyes on my posts to compare meta from our previous game. I would be motivated to emulate the types of posts I made in Newbie XX, to mislead you guys that I am, yet again, town. And it would be easy to do - especially, if the length of the posts is the one thing I need to emulate. Look for my motivation of the posts - which I admit is lacking - because I am not sure who is suspicious. But in my defense, I did read every post in this thread.

As for your accusation for wishy-washy comments and voting Obvious.660 without reason... do you really think this goes against my meta? I think I have also done quick voting in XX without much reason. It is true that in this game I practically provided 0 reason, LOL, but hopefully that should not make me more scummy. Also, sometimes I would like the person I am accusing to make a guess at why I am accusing him.

You also accused me of trying to "spread suspicion" rather the give reads. I haven't given much read, except to point out that you Hapha were suspicious for not making one of your signature analysis. In my original post, I too cited the length of the posts in analyzing your meta, so yes that would be a contradiction to what I am writing in this post.

In regards to Obvious.660, I don't know why people find that suspicious. He was simply giving out his reads on all of the players. Non-noncommittal, you say? Just because he didn't vote? As a town, you often do feel unsure about town/scum alignments of players. Just because I express that I am not sure player X is town or scum, should not make me scummy. It's true.


In regards to your Obvious.660 voting, it's extremely different from your previous game. Quick voting is one thing. Quick voting without reasoning is entirely another. In the previous game, you were very upfront about using Quickvoting for pressure. In this game, it looks like you're doing it for shits and giggles. Its also worth saying that my meta argument is entirely supplementary, and is used to reinforce the other points: your one-liners, lack of reasoning, and lack of content are all extremely suspicious. I also highly doubt you all of a sudden switched your townie posting style to this in order to prove your innocence via. some crazy WIFOM meta thing.

In regard to "spreading suspicion" - the tone and manner is highly scummy. I would have no objections if you immediately FOS'd me, saying that me not having posted a long case was a scumtell. However, you backtracked on it immediately after you said it. What purpose could that post have other than creating suspicion? I KNOW you're capapble of being decisive, yet you didn't do it.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 16:18 GMT
#399
@ JIngle - This is your case on Obvious:

You voted for Obvious based on his "suspicious" vote for tube. While it was a bad read and a stupid play, I don't find it suspicious. His tone is genuine, and he acknowledges the reasons for his mistake - in no way does it "deflect" or "mislead." Bad votes =/= suspicious votes, there has to be an identifiable mafia-motive/manner, and there isn't one.

You're suspicious of the "sacrificial lamb thing" - this again comes across as reckless/stupid, not suspicious. Do you honestly think mafia would post something like that? Its reckless, and even if its "stupid", its a townie trait.

Your'e suspicious of his "give you a chance before I throw you under the bus" quote. You just take him out of context and misinterpret his definition of "bus".

You're supsicious of his "list" post. I explained why I don't think its suspicious. Remember Mackin?

...and that's it. Now why are you not suspicious of YourHarry? I think he's a far better D1 lynch.


a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 16:35 GMT
#400
On July 18 2012 00:50 JingleHell wrote:
Considering he's accusing me of tunneling too much, and you of spreading too much suspicion, I'd just assume it's yet another case of Hapa being Hapa.


For christ sake Jingle - the backhanded comments are getting rediculous. Exactly how do you think this helps the town? Cut it out.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 16:40 GMT
#403
"throwing someone under the bus" is a phrase, and not necessarily a mafia action. Perhaps I'm underestimating the general newbie here, but I find it hard to believe that mafia would willingly talk about bussing someone on the open thread.

Anywho, we can agree to disagree on the Obvious.660 posts. I still believe I'm right, and I'll be pushing for the lynch of YourHarry as previously stated.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 16:43 GMT
#404
On July 18 2012 01:37 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:35 Hapahauli wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 JingleHell wrote:
Considering he's accusing me of tunneling too much, and you of spreading too much suspicion, I'd just assume it's yet another case of Hapa being Hapa.


For christ sake Jingle - the backhanded comments are getting rediculous. Exactly how do you think this helps the town? Cut it out.


I'll cut it out the second you stop thinking that cardboard crown you got from Burger King proves you're king shit. Did you actually read the posts I referred you to, and try being open minded about them, or were you too busy trying to decide how best to subjugate others to your ego?


Since when does pushing for my case constitute "ego?" Its a scumhunt, and I'm going to try to argue to get the scummiest player lynch. You're doing the exact same thing with Obvious.660.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 17:44 GMT
#412
@ YourHarry:

Jingle is playing exactly like he was last game as a townie. Look at my case from last game; he's perfectly capable of blatantly bad advice, lack of reasoning, and anti-town mentality. Yet he flipped town.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349066&currentpage=21#404

So far, he's as reckless as he was in his town game, and I see no reason to suspect him.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 18:42 GMT
#428
Wiggl3s, as previously mentioned, tube switched up his demeanor because he was repeatedly asked to by several vocal posters. We can't hold that against him. His posts read as a horrendously naive townie.

YourHarry's been far more suspicious so far:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=351398&currentpage=20#384
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 18:48 GMT
#435
But Tube didn't make a scumslip! He was asked to change his tone for the town and did so!
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 18:48 GMT
#436
EBWOP: that was addressed to drwiggl3s
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 18:52 GMT
#440
On July 18 2012 03:51 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 03:48 Hapahauli wrote:
But Tube didn't make a scumslip! He was asked to change his tone for the town and did so!


And if the two of us are agreeing on it, you'd think it would be obvious as all hell to anyone else, right?


I'm shocked we're on the same side of this issue tbh o_O
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 19:51 GMT
#457
On July 18 2012 04:36 Evulrabbitz wrote:
I will throw my vote on Obvious.660 based on his eagerness to vote for Tube for something that didn't even occur.

##Vote Obvious.660


That vote isn't even suspicious! Bad vote =/= scummy behavior, and he's been pretty townie otherwise. Hell if you're not going to listen to me, atleast read Calgar's opinion on Obvious.660
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 20:32 GMT
#467
On July 18 2012 05:25 calgar wrote:
@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak.


I haven't gone through iamperfection's filter all too thorougly yet. Let me take a look, and I'll get back to you in a few minutes.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 20:56 GMT
#480
On July 18 2012 05:25 calgar wrote:
@hapa Will you consider swinging your vote to iamperfection? We can potentially bag him over obvious.660 if we can convince people. I think the argument against iamperfection is stronger than YourHarry now. He made some points and if his posting shapes up and continues like it has then we'll know more. At least we've 'aired the dirty laundry' on him, so to speak.


Welp. YourHarry is still my #1 Mafia read. Regardless, I feel pretty strongly about my obvious.660 townie read, and if we can save him from getting lynched by voting for a semi-suspicious player, I'll do so.

[/b]##Unvote YourHarry
##Vote iamperfection[/b]

NOTE: I have to catch a train and I'll be gone until close to the lynch deadline. Can I rely on you to lobby for the iamperfection lynch Calgar?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 20:56 GMT
#481
Bold fail:

##Unvote YourHarry
##Vote iamperfection
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
July 17 2012 23:29 GMT
#519
Fuck. GG Obvious.660, wish I could've done more to save ya.

@ Jingle - well if he claimed vet, he would've survived, no? It also confirms a townie and doesn't waste a lynch.

@ Town - Balls.

Fortunately we should be able to get some information from the bandwagon. I'll be looking through vote patterns and rereading filters tonight. In the mean time, make sure you post your reads before the end of the night!! I'll try to post mine in a couple of hours - we don't want anyone dying from the mafia night kill without providing any information.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
01:00
#67
RotterdaM827
TKL 367
TaKeTV 286
IndyStarCraft 210
SteadfastSC165
BRAT_OK 118
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 827
TKL 367
ByuN 355
IndyStarCraft 210
SteadfastSC 165
BRAT_OK 118
UpATreeSC 92
JuggernautJason62
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29057
Calm 1930
Shuttle 1452
EffOrt 404
Horang2 326
Soulkey 253
BeSt 193
ProTech131
firebathero 119
Rush 112
[ Show more ]
Mong 85
Barracks 60
Zeus 58
sorry 47
Killer 42
ToSsGirL 21
Sexy 17
Hm[arnc] 14
scan(afreeca) 13
soO 13
yabsab 12
Sacsri 9
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1344
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby1572
Other Games
B2W.Neo1251
Beastyqt851
ceh9589
FrodaN582
C9.Mang0198
KnowMe174
Hui .170
mouzStarbuck125
QueenE85
MindelVK11
fpsfer 1
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• kabyraGe 139
• LUISG 5
• Reevou 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV999
League of Legends
• Nemesis4314
• TFBlade876
Other Games
• imaqtpie940
• Shiphtur775
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
17h 10m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 6h
The PondCast
1d 16h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 17h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
FEL
4 days
FEL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.