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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 08 2012 03:19 GMT
#6
I will not be replaced by wbg's smurf

/in
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 11 2012 17:05 GMT
#84
s&b ill try really hard this game just for you
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 11 2012 21:33 GMT
#95
alight lets do this.

no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 01:44 GMT
#145
On July 12 2012 10:38 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 10:34 gonzaw wrote:
On July 12 2012 10:00 gonzaw wrote:
On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.


Thank you captain obvious. Instead of posting tautologies, do you have an opinion on said subject? (i.e do you think I'm extremely eager townie or do you think I'm scum looking for easy targets to push?)


In hindsight this came out more aggressive than I meant it :/


It's cool. It's nothing compared to what I handled from igrok my last game. Anywho, I was just pointing out I found it odd you would try and push people onto "lurkers" so early on. I don't think anything about you. There's nothing to go on right now. I don't think that post was in your favor, though.

He wasn't pushing lurkers he was pushing people that posted that sounded excited to participate and post and then didn't.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 01:46 GMT
#146
Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 02:06 GMT
#150
Gonzaw's start to like every game

[image loading]

But I love his effort, just hate reading EVERYTHING he posts.

Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 13:39 GMT
#192
Strong I feel like the entirety of your posts could easily be made by either town or scum, if this is you trying to establish your alignment you have done a poor job with me. Your post is longwinded and looks to explain your thought process, but we both know that 95% of your posts content has nothing to do with this game at all. Not only that but your early attempt at a read on marv does not even account for his other posts in the thread. And your reasoning for voting him from this game is too, extremely weak.

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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 13:40 GMT
#193
not voting FOS'n.. w.e
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 13:43 GMT
#195
On July 12 2012 22:41 marvellosity wrote:
Matt, while you're here - what do you make of gonzaw? He seems to be making stuff out of nothing, but it could just be provoking conversation.

I guess normally at the start of day 1 he has setup shit to ramble on about, which he does not here.

he is trying really really hard, and once again he is explaining his entire thought process. I dont think i have ever seen him as scum, but this is the exactly how he plays as town
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 13:48 GMT
#197
On July 12 2012 22:45 marvellosity wrote:
If you're interested, check out Liar where he was scum. Incredibly verbose there too

can't i just be blinded and not have to read 1000 pages of filter to see the difference between him as scum and him as town
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 13:52 GMT
#199
lets just call him confirmed town over and over again and maybe scum will do our read for us.. and if not we lynch him day 3

oh shit they can read this too cant they
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 14:29 GMT
#202
Besides the fact that how do they show alignment in anyway. They are discussion about the setup of the game, with the first one being him basically copy-pasting from another game, and the second being him not reading the OP correctly. They could have both been said in the pre-game or before he read his role PM so IDK why sol has a town read from that
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 14:52 GMT
#208
On July 12 2012 23:47 s0Lstice wrote:
Mattchew-

his question about how many scum there are read to me as a mini-gambit. Since it is variable, only scum are going to know the exact number.

the second post is him being excited about the ability to use PMs. maybe gonzaw is clever, but is he ballsy? because it's pretty ballsy as scum to be pro-active about getting a PM circle going, especially considering how young the game was at the time.

lol, so wouldnt scum be more aware of the number of scum and feel the need to say they don't know

why would scum not be excited to use PMs with townies.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 14:57 GMT
#210
Marv how fucking buddied up are we right <3
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 15:06 GMT
#214
On July 13 2012 00:00 talismania wrote:
you know for all the shit that plan predictably gets at least it never fails to generate a few pages of discussion. Btw the only time people ever followed a version of it was in bastard 2, but that was because I had a gun and no one else did (and it worked then). The point of it is and always has been to see how people react to it or comply with it, not who they accuse or whatever.

anyhoo I think it's kind of hilarious that literally everyone commented on it. I mean speaking of scum blending in "I agree with everyone else that talis' plan isn't good" from like ten people. And the only one who didn't go "oh that's shit" was gonzaw. Which to be honest makes me lean town on him - he comes out with three names right off the bat for a decent reason at least for that early in the game. I feel a scum player would have been more cautious. Marv shitting on the plan was fairly predictable. I read his "let's lynch talis" for it though as more out of pique than as part of a cunning scum plan though.

hey what about me!
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 15:18 GMT
#216
On July 12 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit

this is more reasoning then everyone else gave as to why its bad, its just not in long-winded gonzaw essay style
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 15:47 GMT
#221
On July 13 2012 00:43 talismania wrote:
Reactions to talismania's Shitty Plan
(for those who care)


+ Show Spoiler +
marvellosity

On July 12 2012 08:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:

since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).


no

next


On July 12 2012 09:47 marvellosity wrote:
naw, I'm not killing anyone based on one post right at the beginning of the game (especially as pregame was quite active/friendly, it spilled over)

I'd rather lynch talis for his never-ending bullshit on listing names and reasons.

Seriously, 24 hours into day 1 and we're supposed to come up with reasons on 3 different people for why they might be scum? It's just nonsense.

Or... wait for it... I have an idea! If someone says something a person finds scummy, they can call them out and bring it to the thread! Wow, marv, you say - an amazing plan!

People shouldn't be 'forced' to make effort, the making of the effort willingly is what helps gives us our reads on people.



Predictably shits on it, suggests policy lynching me out of his annoyance that I keep proposing these dumb plans.

gonzaw

On July 12 2012 09:36 gonzaw wrote:
So, if the lynch was right now I'd want to kill one of these 3 guys:

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 07:56 Risen wrote:
Welcome to ICBINTMM in which Risen does not post in caps or call anyone an idiot THE ENTIRE GAME. Stay tuned to see if this actually happens......


Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 07:33 strongandbig wrote:
sup bros
i am currently watching Le Closer in french in my hotel room.
Scum y'all best get ready to get motherfucking interrogated


Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 06:33 Mattchew wrote:
alight lets do this.

no zentor means no policy lynch based on names for me.



You can see the recurring theme in all 3 (just 1 post, promising something/appearing they are eager to start but not doing anything else later).

marv, talismania, anybody active, what do you think about these guys? If you had to kill one of them which one would you choose and why? (if you don't want to kill anyone then say so).

Also this guy could die too:

Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote:
Screw the number and size of posts. I'm not a scientist, but it looks like talismania's been town --> scum --> town --> scum --> town. Therefore, he's scum this game.

I know that millers are supposed to claim D1, but I don't see why we'd want claims on other roles right now. Except from marv, who needs to let us know whether he's a vigi or scum this game, since those are the only roles that he rolls.


But at least he put a little bit more effort (although that's not town-telling)

Dropbear and Milton haven't even posted, but well we can't do anything about it.


Actually follows the plan - as I said seems rather townie. Especially the timing.

Mattchew

On July 12 2012 10:46 Mattchew wrote:
Also, talis has the worst plan ever with his 3 people thing. That just allows people to half ass push some stupid reads and then connections theories run wild and everything turns to shit


shits on it

solstice

On July 12 2012 11:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Keirathi, assuming you are still around...

why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan?


I actually don't see him reacting to it at all yet he asks keirathi about it. Interesting. He did react to gonzaw's post reacting to mine.

austinmcc

On July 12 2012 11:33 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote:
Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me

That's because there's basically nothing to my first post except "Millers claim," which isn't helpful.

What I can add is that I think talismania's 3-case plan is bad, but that seems to be the general sentiment. Forcing arbitrary requirements on everyone isn't really going to help us, and is going to clog up the thread later. People are going to make halfhearted cases to try to reach that number, someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion, and we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning.

Can also add that I haven't played with gonzaw, but I've obsed his recent games. Anyone here feel like they do a good job reading him, and if so, can you post some tips? I've found that I almost always end up reading him as scum, because he is active enough and posts enough that I keep finding scummy things to latch on to. Had him scum at the end of liar game just prior to the katina lynch, but also found him really scummy in the recent MTG because I felt like some of the plans he pushed hard were anti-town (check the obsqt early on, although I didn't post much there). So...any magical tricks for getting the right read on Gonzaw?


Actually this reads scummy again on the second go-round too. He says he's about to "add" something but literally just copies/expands on what marv said and doesn't add anything at all.

Keirathi

On July 12 2012 11:54 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 11:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Keirathi, assuming you are still around...

why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan?


Sorry was getting dinner.

I was verbose because I have some shared experience with sciberbia, whom I was replying to. I know that most (all?) of his TL mafia experience was in newbie games, and the dynamic is just different when you can assume that people know how to play the game.

As far as talismania's plan, I feel like it makes it too easy for mafia to blend in. The more townies you have making arguments against other townies, the easier you can push mislynches and not have to take any blame for them. There are other things wrong with it, but Mattchew and austin beat me to it. No need rehashing what they said.



Mmm I think this is innocuous. He might not even have responded if he hadn't been asked to.

DropBear

On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:
This is silly.
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:

since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).

This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.



On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway.


Actually this doesn't sit that well with me at all. Conversation had started to move on and then he brings it back to my plan and says the same shit everyone else did. I also don't like his misrepresentation of my views on the roleblocker's use of their power.

strongandbig

On July 12 2012 16:51 strongandbig wrote:
Hey bros
For people who weren't in ssb or mtg mafias, just wanted to let you guys know I am currently in Europe, where I don't have a cell phone data plan. This means I can only post when I have wifi, which is a change from my normal method. I've also been busy at work so please don't expect much from me before 8pm CET.


Now for serious stuff: I'm going to be watching marv like a motherfuking hawk.

I think hosts tend to try to "balance" games sometimes by tweaking their scum team selection; however, that can and has led to extra info from town through balance speculation. Marvellosity makes an extremely tempting player for hosts to do this kind of balancing, because his scum play is empirically very good, but he isn't a "veteran" so he's not likely to be the subject of balance speculation.
I also suspect bugs of doing this kind of balancing.
+ Show Spoiler [reasons, from wheel of fortune.] +
The last of his c++ games I played in was wheel of fortune. That was a stacked game and I was one of the worst players in it, although I did eventually manage to figure out the scum team (and got shot for having correct reads before I could push some of them). With the benefit of hindsight, that scum team looks almost perfectly balanced for the player base. Radfield was town, ace was scum. VE and Forumite were both good players, but only on the edge of being full-on vets. I firmly believe that town would have won that game if Radfield hadn't decided to use a DT check on Ace, who was godfather. That kind of closeness is the sign of a well-balanced game; and the odds that both town and scum would have their best player as their best power role are very small from pure chance.


So what does this mean? I am NOT proposing to policy lynch marvellosity; if he's town he can be a great asset, and besides that's totally against the spirit of the game. What I AM saying is that I think when someone points out something scummy he does, we should take it pretty seriously. Pure chance wouldn't explain why he has rolled scum in something like half his games since our first game together (noob 6) while I have rolled it once - him being good and me not does explain that.


NOW: having told you why you should pay attention, I'm going to point out something scummy marv has done. That thing is: propose/say he would be okay with lynching Talismania.

Talismania's plan IS anti town. When Ace is host and he tells an obs QT how good a plan is for scum, you better believe he knows what he's talking about. Systematic case proposing plans give scum an excuse to make shitty reads and blend in, because everyone is making shitty cases and dumb reads. That kind of plan dilutes good information and adds bad information.

HOWEVER: Talismania proposes this plan as town. All the time. Like, every game. Usually "pushing scummy plans" is a decent scum tell; but this specific player pushing this specific plan is not. And Marvellosity should know this. Marv has obs'd at least two games where Talismania proposed this plan or a variation of it (ssb, bangbang). Tali has proposed this in other games. Marv is the kind of player who pays attention; he should also know that I've pushed tali hard for these plans in the past, as have others. Marv putting tali forward as his first lynch candidates comes down to an easy push on an easy target for reasons he should know are bad.

Marv, I'm watching you.

+ Show Spoiler [on Talismania, briefly] +
I'm not saying tali is an easy target in general, like kenpachi or grush would be. He's not that kind of shitty player slash bad case magnet. It's just that for marv to propose him for lynch based on that plan is scummy.


He's right about me always pushing this idea althoguh I think he's overreacting to marv's reaction.


So actually not that many people commented on it even though I thought like everyone did oops.

My views:

scummy responses: austinmcc, dropbear

null responses: marv, mattchew, keirathi, strongandbig

townie response: gonzaw

did not respond directly although was in the thread: Risen, sciberbia, solstice

so me explaining why it is bad doesnt differentiate me from marv, keirathi, strongandbig
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 15:50 GMT
#223
nah, my shit is why that exact plan shouldnt be used and the negative effects it will have.
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 17:43 GMT
#253
Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm

I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says

On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:
gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far


He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 12 2012 18:18 GMT
#262
On July 13 2012 02:52 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:
Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm

I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says

On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:
gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far


He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread


What do you want to disagree with?

your read on vivax
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