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I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power. With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim! One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear. This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said. Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it. On July 12 2012 12:39 Risen wrote: Holy shit I used a smiley face... | ||
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On July 12 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote: I don't think anyone is saying roleblocker should never, under any circumstances, use their power. But it needs to be used with extreme caution because you probably have a higher chance (or at the very least, equal) of blocking a town blue than blocking a KP if you just pick randomly. There are certainly situations where it can be a useful power, of course, but its much safer just to not use it until you have good, solid reads. People have in fact said that it shouldn't be used period. Gonzaw talismania | ||
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On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote: pardon me for some half-assed musing: since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others). This isn't going to happen and would just waste time. On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway. | ||
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On July 12 2012 15:14 sciberbia wrote: @keirathi, @Dropbear, @Risen Do you guys have any suspicions yet? Maybe you could comment on my post about risen/marv or about gonzaw's accusations of risen/strongandbig/Mattchew? This thread is too quiet for my liking -- please share some of your thoughts. For mine I have no idea yet, we are only 3 pages in or so? As to gonzaw's post, I think he is trying too hard. A hello post is extremely common and says absolutely nothing about alignment. Give them time. Points for effort mate but really a bit much so early. As to your post on marv, I completely disagree. Attacking a stupid plan is fine. He might still be mafia, who knows? But I disagree with your reasoning as to why he is. | ||
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On July 12 2012 16:10 gonzaw wrote: Obviously there are exceptions. If there are 2 "very obvious scum" or something (and only 2 scum remain) then he can try to RB those. But him trying to RB at random on N1 or even on N2 seems too risky to me, specially if that guys doesn't have very good reads (and isn't lucky). @Dropbear: I don't like your attitude. You just busted into the thread, basically discredited everything everybody said, and discredited every accusation anybody else has done, and that's it. All the while acting like you own the place or something (without actually taking charge). However you are not progressing at all, you are just complaining. Actually lets get the ball rolling (this thread is VERY silent so far, hopefully this changes that): ##Vote: Dropbear You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad. | ||
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On July 13 2012 00:45 talismania wrote: Yo so this isn't true at all. I've been very clear from the beginning that I think the roleblocker should not use their power unless they have a clear shot with it or the situation demands it. Essentially, don't use it N1 or N2, then proceed cautiously. Your post clearly says you can't see a reason behind using it. On July 12 2012 08:05 talismania wrote: @gonzaw on the RB: yeah for sure I don't think there's any point to a RB using their power. What did you mean then? The first post or this not on night1 or 2 post?> | ||
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On July 12 2012 18:30 Vivax wrote: @ NSH It's cause of a habit. I just tend to expect links in underlined words <_<. Back to the topic: ##unvote strongandbig Very informative post about marv there. Wanted to vote Milton next but he posted. He tries to make himself pretty transparent by posting his games. It's a good sign, but nothing decisive. Speaking of meta, sciberbia doesn't look good based on that.I was with him in two games and I feel like he's being different in this one. s0lstice already pointed out the missing fast posts we're used to see from scib at the start of the game. That alone is forgivable given the posted reasons. But the overall gut feeling is still bad cause of the overall style. What do you mean by an informative post? Cos he made a case he must be town or something? What are the differences in sciberbia you talk about? | ||
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On July 13 2012 01:37 talismania wrote: No I don't think my plan was completely bogus. A variant worked in bastard 2 as you should know. I don't think it's that terrible if everyone follows it. Did I expect people to follow it? No. Did I expect people to react? Yes of course. Not sure how useful the reactions are but you can see my handydandy summary above. I spent the entirety of bastard 2 arguing with a brick wall i.e. Acrofales. I can't even remember this plan you speak of lol. | ||
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On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote: the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said? I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? | ||
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On July 13 2012 05:49 talismania wrote: Time to poke the hornet's nest again dropbear what's your response to this (below)? The way I see it, you made a post asking vivax some questions with some implied suspicion maybe. Then marv votes vivax and you eagerly hop on the wagon. When called out, you say you called him out for being suspicious the page earlier, but the only post you made in reference to him was just the one where you asked him questions. You never actually called him out for being suspicious as you said. Marv took the words out of my mouth. I was in the middle of a post in response to Vivax myself. I prodded, got an answer and responded with my vote, it's pretty clear. | ||
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On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote: I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target. He posted 1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck. 2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy. My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here. 3. Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing: still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali. He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him. I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense. I'll defend Milton for you He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM Vivax talismania | ||
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On July 13 2012 16:52 Keirathi wrote: Err, what? How do you have a town read on me when literally everyone else has a scum read? Oh whoops that was a mistake, i meant to say Milton. I'm unsure on you. | ||
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I am not going to be here for lynch time, it's 4am my time. I am voting for Vivax still. I would like to see the lynch between him and talismania. I do not support a Milton lynch. I have already said this. I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies. | ||
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On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote: hokay so DropBear + Show Spoiler + I think he is scum for two reasons. 1) The timing with which he bashes my plan. Everyone else had already bashed it. If you look at that post, what possible purpose does it serve? It's not adding anything to the discussion, it's just prolonging it unnecessarily. On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote: This is silly. This isn't going to happen and would just waste time. On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway. 2) Weird tone. He was an aggressive player when I played with him last, but didn't get feisty (the "angry koala" as acrofales dubbed him) until he was threatened with a lynch. He's been ornery and disruptive this entire game and I can't figure out why. Plus when he was angry before, it was righteous anger. This feels like sarcastic, trollish ribbing. Examples below: On July 12 2012 15:00 DropBear wrote: Hello everyone. I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power. With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim! One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear. This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said. Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it. On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote: You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad. On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote: I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote: I'll defend Milton for you He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started. Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play. In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much? There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations. Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter. You should be less obvious in defending your buddy. SCUM TEAM Vivax talismania (the entire tone of the above post)^ What makes the timing of that post and his tone scummy? Well both are unnecessary, both are disruptive and create an anti-town atmosphere, and, in the case of this response to my plan, it is essentially just an excuse to add filler to his filter. Look like contributing without actually contributing. He's also had a relatively narrow focus, only looking at vivax and me. And really he was only looking at vivax, but then somehow in his last post I got shoehorned into the picture, perhaps to give him cover to vote for me later on. austinmcc scummy shit: 1) his first post. Ok fine - I'll give it to him that he added a bit to what mattchew and marv had said. But again it's not about that, it's about why people post and how they do it. On July 12 2012 11:33 austinmcc wrote: That's because there's basically nothing to my first post except "Millers claim," which isn't helpful. What I can add is that I think talismania's 3-case plan is bad, but that seems to be the general sentiment. Forcing arbitrary requirements on everyone isn't really going to help us, and is going to clog up the thread later. People are going to make halfhearted cases to try to reach that number, someone will inevitably only find 1-2 people scummy and we'd end up in some "does x not making 3 cases = scummy?" discussion, and we also might end up lynching people that EVERYONE finds a little bit scummy rather than someone that a few people have a strong scumread on for good reasoning. Can also add that I haven't played with gonzaw, but I've obsed his recent games. Anyone here feel like they do a good job reading him, and if so, can you post some tips? I've found that I almost always end up reading him as scum, because he is active enough and posts enough that I keep finding scummy things to latch on to. Had him scum at the end of liar game just prior to the katina lynch, but also found him really scummy in the recent MTG because I felt like some of the plans he pushed hard were anti-town (check the obsqt early on, although I didn't post much there). So...any magical tricks for getting the right read on Gonzaw? Why pile on, when you already acknowledge that it is "the general sentiment"? It's just adding filler to his filter, and padding for the other part of his post. This is classic scum stuff to try and add extra stuff to their posts so they don't get accused of doing nothing but, say, asking rambling stuff about gonzaw. 2) The other thing I've already pointed out that he hasn't really addressed. He is voting for me. He posted a 5-paragraph essay before doing so. But he never actually said I was scum. I pointed this out, he just rehashes what he already said, but never actually connects the dots and explains why he thinks all that stuff that I've done makes me scum. Combined with the timing of this accusation, it makes me think he's simply trying to start momentum for my lynch, taking off on what milkton did (and milkton, despite having bs reasoning, at least connected the dots). Austin omits that crucial step because he's not thinking like a town player. He's just thinking about who he needs to get his vote onto. On July 13 2012 08:05 austinmcc wrote: *snip* (1) 90% of people hadn't already stated why it was bad. Look at Talis's little summary of people who commented. It's 7 people long, and one of them is him misinterpreting your post. That's not 90% of the thread. (2) Again, I'm not saying why the plan was bad. I'm trying to say that he's incorrect in saying I didn't add anything. I think he's really stretching what people have said to try and make it seem like Part 2 of the plan was somehow helpful, when really it's not. ##Vote: Talismania I don't buy this two-part plan nonsense, and I don't think it's helpful at all. First off his points 1 and 2 are kinda bs. I'll give him that he added a little bit, and I already said way back that not as many people replied as I thought did before I went and analyzed it. It's not me twisting things when I'm freely admitting when I've exaggerated or whatever. Secondly, it's like he's voting me because... I'm unhelpful. What? ______________________ My thoughts on everyone else: + Show Spoiler + Mattchew: I dub mattchew "the poker-prodder". He keeps poking and prodding people. He's ultimately a null tell for me, as he is in every game I've ever seen him in. For a second I had him on my scummy list because of his "hey are you just actively lurking" post until now when I've re-read his filter and seen him poking at everyone. I am a bit surprised he's not voting for me - I think as scum he would have done that by now especially when he called me out like he did. I also have a question for you, Mattchew: On July 12 2012 11:06 Mattchew wrote: Gonzaw's start to like every game ![[image loading]](http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/493583_o.gif) But I love his effort, just hate reading EVERYTHING he posts. Anyway I want to hear more from austin his first post doesnt sit well with me What ever happened to your thoughts about austin? You never mention him again in your filter after this. Risen: I agree with what solstice just said about his style. It's sort of impossible to read given his pre-game determination to change it. That said, his content has been incredibly lacking. He made his vote too early, he didn't explain it. Actually reading through his filter now he does seem really sketchy. Interested to see if and how he changes his vote today. solstice: I really like the case marv made on him, actually, but for some reason I don't know if I can move beyond a null on him. Like I think the first half of his filter is scummy (the part marv showed), the second half townie. Overall he is playing fairly relaxed, which is usually a town indicator as well. On the other hand he's also been fairly focused on just a couple players, which is a scum indicator. gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum. marvellosity: Marv. How is it possible that he posts so much but I always forget he's in the game? It's not like his posts are bad they're usually pretty on point. I've never played against him as scum so I dunno what he does then, but his filter so far looks fairly like his town filters from the games I've played with him. He tends to have a lot of targets and switch frequently, often correcting himself as town and I see that here as well. Vivax: Never played with him before. He's sort of in the solstice camp actually. First half of the filter is scummy. Especially the part where marv asked him to explain his feelings on matt and he was just like "here's filter do it yourself" LOL. On the other hand I like what he says about Milkton. On the third hand he's also playing rather focused. Null. sciberbia: Sciberbia I am your biggest fan. I love the way you post. I have no idea what your alignment is but if everyone posted like you this game would be easy. Keirathi: Well he's conditional town or conditional scum at this point. Like I think he was way too neutral in the beginning as someone else pointed out but he's also onto dropbear as I am. Milktonkram: I think his case and vote on me are bs bs bs... but incredibly random. Like I don't know why he does that as scum. I actually can't figure him out at all to be honest. strongandbig: dear god this is tiring to make lol no wonder no one ever follows my plans. Anyway. I think he's playing pretty freely. I think he was scum in space station? He was more uptight then. ##vote: DropBear WOLOLOLOLOL nice OMGUS tali! So I'm aggressive? Did you forget Bastard 2 already? When I shouted and screamed to kill only 2 players the entire time I was alive? Plus the examples you give of me being disruptive and aggressive are just firm statements. How is strongly disagreeing being disruptive and trollish? And narrow focused? It's better to focus on a couple of people than splurge shit on EVERYONE like you have done wouldn't you say? Your case on me positively REEKS of being manufactured. | ||
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This aimed at gonzaw. Made perfect sense, the thread was barely 4 pages old and gonzaw was saying people were lurking. On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote: Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early. This because Vivax is scum. On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote: Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote! ##vote: Vivax | ||
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On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote: I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely Is there any particular reason for this? | ||
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Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot. I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning. | ||
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On July 14 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote: I'd really like you posting stuff and shit to convince me you are town (if you are). I think I'll get shot tonight (well I'm always shot N1, except when I'm playing with Ace), but even then I want to make the most accurate reads with the most possible info, so before dying town can take my words into account. Posting your thoughts on what I just posted about talis/S&B would be nice for instance. Night posting gives scum a chance to manipulate their shots. I'm not a fan. Not only this the night flips could make it all completely moot anyway if the person dies and flips. I have posted regarding suspicion of talismania previously. I hadn't looked at s&b at all. | ||
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Vote on Vivax - Marv ninja'd me in a case against Vivax. I had initiated the exchange with Vivax that led to marv's case. Mine was going to say pretty much the same thing. Defence of you - I defended you for several reasons. Firstly the person attacking you was Vivax, my biggest scum read. Secondly you were a fairly strong town read for me. Most importantly, at the time you were pretty close to leading the voting and were being discussed heavily, by Vivax, solstice and also marv to a lesser extent. Response to talismania's case - Talismania's case against me WAS an OMGUS. I disagree with him early on two occasions, here and also here. I tied talismania and Vivax together based on Vivax's chainsaw defence of talismania onto you. Therefore I call him scum. Talismania then follows up with a big case on me afterwards. In short, I disagree with him then call him scum, then he calls me scum. That's what an OMGUS is. Also Tali's case was bad. I reacted angrily to it, I have a tendency to do that. He calls me disruptive and trolling. Read my filter from Bastard 2. I've been a LOT nicer this game, yet he calls me out as being more disruptive and bases a large part of his case on that. | ||
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Your case on this page is a prime example of what I mean by overposting. Did you really need to include every single post I make when you say only 3 of them are relevant? The posts you highlight as being against my directive for posting in fact are perfectly following my own advice. - Post 4 as you put it, was a response to gonzaw. This was certainly concise and was relevant because gonzaw posted a case on me. I answered it in one line. Next. - Post 9, talismania tried to explain to me how something he had done in a separate game was relevant here. I reply telling him I didn't pay attention to his plan in that game. I.e. this explanation of his meant nothing to me. - Post 10 was where I was ninja'd by marv with his case on Vivax. I made it clear that I agreed with the case. I really don't get what you mean about the "spirit" of my advice either. Last I checked this wasn't a philosophy class. I said post things that are important in a concise clear manner and I did that. You even say this yourself. On July 15 2012 21:16 strongandbig wrote: I contend that in general DropBear is not following the spirit of his pregame advice, even though he is mostly (but not nearly always) following the letter of it. The rest of your case I covered in the response to Milton. | ||
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Solstice has been very quiet and is suspect. Firstly this. This is very very strange. On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote: Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread? Miltonkram was certainly solstice's big scum read early on, yet he was dropped for Risen. But you call out Vivax for this? Secondly, solstice doesn't really perk up until there is a case against him. Look through his filter, he posts nothing remotely controversial before this. Lastly, why indeed did he vote for Risen? In doing this he directly avoided taking a side in the lynch and therefore responsibility, so why Risen? There are only two reasons given. On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote: Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: a)stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and b)being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads. a)Risen posted that it was too early for gonzaw to have reads on the third page of the game proper. Damn straight this is too early to have reads. This is the only time he does this at all. This scum meta solstice speaks of doesn't match up. b) B is tied to A. Firstly, he was actually one of the first to call me out. So that didn't happen. I can't actually find where he defended Mattchew anywhere in his filter beyond this post, which isn't defending anyone more attacking gonzaw for having strong reads so early. So basically the grave reasoning behind solstice staying out of the lynch were factually incorrect and/or very very weak. For hiding from controversy i.e. the lynch for very dodgy reasoning, his low activity before being on the back foot and calling out Vivax despite doing exactly the same thing himself, I will ##Vote s0Lstice Mattchew was completely fucking useless day 1. There is so much crap in his filter I don't know how I didn't see it earlier. His vote on sciberbia was literally sheeping marv. He has now however just ninja'd with a case on tali that actually seems reasonable, regardless of it's defence of me. This is a very sudden change of tone from his previous stuff and I don't know what to make of it. I would have said very strong FoS up until this. | ||
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Basically my list of distrust atm: s0lstice Mattchew austinmcc talismania | ||
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On July 16 2012 03:10 Mattchew wrote: Drop you should be voting Talis with me, what do you think makes solstice more scummy than Talis? In your case on tali you mention him having similar behaviour to gonzaw, but you haven't written a case on gonzaw. What differentiates them exactly? Some of it is good, yes. Tali is still dodgy to me but then tbh so are you. | ||
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General consensus is that talismania is dying. I agree that he is dodgy as fuck but I'm also wary about how little opposition his lynch is getting. | ||
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solstice you have sheeped the tali lynch really hard and have offered no response to my questioning of your Risen case on day 1, which was highly questionable. You are either scum falling in line to bus your doomed buddy or scum jumping on the bandwagon to lynch a townie as far as I am concerned. My vote is staying where it is. | ||
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Tali's flip makes a few people look bad, gonzaw, keirathi, milton. However, things at this point kind of hinge on whether or not Risen is telling the truth, or indeed if he is in fact sane. Risen are you sure of your sanity? | ||
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On July 19 2012 05:20 gonzaw wrote: 1)Cops are guaranteed to be sane 2)Are you mason? 1) I can't see this in the OP? Where am I supposed to be looking? 2) No. | ||
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Ok so two things are important. If Milton is telling the truth about the roleblocking and if they are mafia aligned AND if Risen is telling the truth and is sane. A - Both are lying and are the remaining scum. Lynching Risen gets scum. B - Milton tells the truth, Risen lies and is scum. Lynching Risen gets scum. C - Both are telling the truth. Risen won't get another check at all. Mafia will either shoot or block him for the rest of the game. If Mafia decide just to block him and leave him alive, noone EVER gets confirmed. Then it makes Risen look bad and could lead to a shitstorm of mislynching later down the line. Lynching Risen now confirms strongandbig and solstice, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players. D - Milton lies, Risen tells truth. Risen will almost definitely get shot if there is no mafia roleblocker, so we are going to lose him anyway as there are no medics and evidence so far suggests that there is no jailkeeper. He will almost definitely die. Lynching Risen confirms solstice and strongandbig, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players. Based on the permutations, I think we should lynch Risen. If there are holes in my logic please point them out! ##Vote Risen | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:33 Risen wrote: I like how this ignores every other player in the game rofl. Dropbear is Keir's partner? Dude there is no way of confirming either claim beyond a flip. I can see absolutely no reason why you have claimed so early, or for your breadcrumb. You were under suspicion from several people and were unlikely to be shot by mafia. Plus you say you had no scum hits so you had no real important information to give by claiming. I have no idea whether I believe you or not and this is as far as I can tell the only way, given the added complication of Milton's claim. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:42 Risen wrote: That doesn't explain why you ignore completely all other people in this game. Your play of lynching me then shooting another townie tonight leaves enough confusion that a mislynch on a townie tomorrow is a very real possibility. I don't ignore all the other people. The plan takes into effect you, strongandbig, solstice and milton. That's 4 of 9, no? Even if it fucks up and takes 2 townies with it, there is still one more mislynch possible until lylo if I count correctly, assuming there are 2 remaining mafia. 2 out of 5 is a pretty good chance I would say with two lynches, not only that last I checked I was a terran as well so make that 2 out of 4. You neglected my question about your sanity. If you are unsure of your sanity, my plan goes out the window and I go back to scumhunting the old-fashioned way. Do you know if you are sane or not? | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:53 strongandbig wrote: oops that was to derpberp where he asked if the cop was confirmed sane Can you please link me? I can't find this point that you speak of. | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:04 Keirathi wrote: I really don't understand why the other mason isn't claiming. Is the possiblity of confusing the mafia as to whom to NK better than confusing the town when it gets to LYLO and you claim? Or bugs trolled us all and there is no second mason. | ||
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It is now past 6am my time and I haven't been to bed yet so I'm out. Risen or strongandbig could you please link me to where it says the sanity of a cop is confirmed. If it isn't confirmed anywhere my plan should be ignored. | ||
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On July 19 2012 07:12 s0Lstice wrote: Dropbear, did you even try to read Risen's filter to see if his claim made sense? I don't think you did, and that's pretty scummy. I did read his filter. On July 17 2012 07:00 Risen wrote: Sorry dude. I honestly shouldn't be voting for you since I haven't built a case on you. My town reads are voting you, though. #whatacopout Breadcrumb is here. BEFORE talismania's flip. At this point Risen has had only ONE check, which came back as townie. At this point any possible mafia role is in play, including framer. For the life of me I can't see any reason why you would be so obvious at this point. This is also before austin's flip confirming the existence of a mason/masons. Not only this he is under significant suspicion at this point. You yourself were pushing him quite hard. There is no reason why mafia would shoot him before his breadcrumb/claim that I can think of. I don't get the claim at all. | ||
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While both ummed and ahhed about voting for talismania yesterday, gonzaw put his money where his mouth is and voted for him. Keirathi didn't. Keirathi also ran with talismania's terrible case on me day 1, a case which helped get talismania lynched. Still think we should lynch Risen but if it comes to it I will switch to Keirathi. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:07 s0Lstice wrote: Dropbear, did you read my case on Mattchew? Not yet, I'm reading up. | ||
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Matt's day 1 was atrocious, I agree. I disagree that his pursuit of talismania was different to his pursuit of gonzaw. He seems hell-bent on killing gonzaw as he did with talismania. Your WIFOM points I disagree with and are null to me. The buddying null. The claiming of credit looks bad. The fact that is still alive after the talis lynch is interesting. I am unaware of his reputation having not played with him before, but he did go hell-for-leather to kill the gf. They didn't shoot sciberbia either though and he was the first person to post a case as far as I can tell, so I'm not sure what to think about this just yet. The longer he stays alive the more likely he is scum. You've managed to make me more suspicious of him but I still think there are better candidates for lynch. | ||
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Accused Vivax of being scumbuddies with him here. Talis made his case on me not too long after and almost got me lynched. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:26 Mattchew wrote: Dropbear what do you think of gonzaw, my case against him, and the most recent points I've brought up Also what do you make of people lying about you pushing Talis ??? I kind of did push talis on day 1, secondary to Vivax though. Same on day 2, I pushed solstice mostly with talis secondary. I never properly committed to a solely talis push, yes, but I brought him up regularly especially on day 1. I think your case against him is ok but not great. Kind of like solstice's case on you. I would lynch Keirathi over gonzaw and unless somewhere Risen has god-forbid actually answered my question, I would take Risen over both of them. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:05 strongandbig wrote: Wait a minute I was just reading Milton's filter and I saw this He makes a case on Talismania day 1, then jumps off him onto dropbear Then at the start of day 2 he still says dropbear is his top scum read for a large number of reasons, none of which changed when Talismania flipped scum. Note also that dropbear didn't actually vote Talismania despite "going after Talismania" being the main reason people think he's town. I think either dropbear/Gonzaw or dropbear/Milton is the scum team. ##vote: dropbear It is true that I never full on went after talismania. What is also true is that talismania most certainly went after me. | ||
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On July 19 2012 06:40 DropBear wrote: Dude there is no way of confirming either claim beyond a flip. I can see absolutely no reason why you have claimed so early, or for your breadcrumb. You were under suspicion from several people and were unlikely to be shot by mafia. Plus you say you had no scum hits so you had no real important information to give by claiming. I have no idea whether I believe you or not and this is as far as I can tell the only way, given the added complication of Milton's claim. He has all of a sudden exploded into life late on night 2 and I think lynching him would in most permutations give a good or at least minimal damage result, given the roleblocker claim by Milton. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:52 strongandbig wrote: Okay, this is also true. Not enough for me to put dropbear in the town category but enough for me to unvote him. ##unvote Now dropbear, what if Milton is scum and is lying? Or if he was jail kept for some unfathomable reason? Then lynching risen hurts us enormously. If Milton is scum and Risen is town is the bad permutation of the four I agree. However it still confirms you and solstice. | ||
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On July 19 2012 23:51 s0Lstice wrote: also how are people ignoring the part of my case where Mattchew talks about his read on Risen? --read on Risen is based largely on consistency and logic --is Risen still displaying consistency and logic Mattchew? --not exactly, but that doesnt change my read in any way wtf???? Ok this is interesting. Mattchew? | ||
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1. Firstly, he backs up and sheeps tali's case against me on day 2. On July 14 2012 05:15 Keirathi wrote: DropBear Along with tali, I feel like he was been entirely overaggressive and disruptive with thinks like + Show Spoiler + On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote: I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy? 2. His avoidance of voting for tali day 2. He clearly doesn't want to vote for tali, but doesn't give any other options. Not only this he puts in a martyr at the end. On July 17 2012 05:45 Keirathi wrote: Man, missing 90% of the day is frustrating. I'm second guessing everything at this point, and don't have any really strong townie reads. Also I really don't know what I think about tali. There's so many cases against him, and they are all decent, but none of them are damning I think. Maybe enough little things adds up to him being scum, but I remain unconvinced. Almost everything about him is either directly relating to his plan, or relating to things that branched out from his plan. I agree that his plan was really bad and I don't want to support bad play, but like Milton pointed out, he was entirely too invested in it. I don't really see scum as staying that invested into pushing something to intentionally bring attention onto himself. Something about this case and being so little opposition just feels bandwagonny. If I'm wrong, it probably means I get lynched tomorrow because of this post though  3. So who does he vote? On July 17 2012 06:51 Keirathi wrote: Bleh catch 22. Have to vote but I don't particularly feel good about the tali lynch. I don't think its impossible that he is scum, but I'm decently positive he's not. I don't really think Drop or s0lstice are great cases either. So who the eff to vote for. My gut read on a throwaway vote, or the popular read with no conviction?! Who does he vote? sciberbia, the first person to make a case against tali. 4. Next he jumps rapidly onto the gonzaw bandwagon. Sole reasoning here. On July 18 2012 08:09 Keirathi wrote: ##vote: gonzaw Note that a lack of explanation behind a vote was a key reason he voted for me on day 1, this is a double standard. 5. Lastly his ragequit. If he was actually a townie, he's arguing for a deliberate mislynch here. On July 18 2012 16:48 Keirathi wrote: Then fucking lynch me today so you can get past your tunnel vision that you had with Vivax and maybe make an actual good read. I'm serious, as much as I don't want us to lynch a townie today, I would rather Risen not be biased and tunneling me and not trying to find the real scum. ##Vote: Keirathi He mentions the real scum a lot, but his lynch plan was the same as mine, lynch Risen to confirm two townies. No scumhunting there. Also, I have only seen a ragequit like this once before; ilovejonn in mafia 39 who was scum and was backed into a corner so this is what he did. ##Unvote ##Vote Keirathi | ||
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I don't think we played very well. I was unable to communicate with my teammates much due to the time zones and was weak day 1. I think we had a great chance until Mattchew went down, which was very unlucky. The way in which he went down left me with nowhere to turn. I didn't use the RB day 1, wasn't sure who to use it on. We used it on Milton cos we thought he might have been a cop due to this post. My initial post about being concise still stands. Gonzaw posted too much and too long, whereas someone like austin was much better. In my opinion the best town players were austin and solstice. For the record, I sent in a solstice shot tonight before surrendering. I think Milton also had 3 of 4 reads on day 1 from memory? Bugs while I do think we played badly, you are overdoing it a bit. | ||
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On July 21 2012 15:13 Risen wrote: Yup, as I said a tali lynch hit you guys hard. Then hitting matt was pure dumb luck and if I'm being entirely honest i was pushing the lines when it comes to trolling with that vote change to matt. I knew he'd rage if he ended up being scum bc it was like... The dumbest late day wagon I think I've seen with exception to johnnywup's blunder (i will love johnny forever <3) Tali didn't expect his day 1 case on me to go as well as it did either, I did play poorly though. We weren't too worried about the tali lynch though, I think we would have had this in the bag if the wagon on Matt hadn't happened in the way it did. We would have shot solstice, rb'd you and still had all the gonzaw v matt silliness wrecking the thread. Day 3 was such a clusterfuck that we had so much to work with but sadly everything aligned against us last minute. | ||
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