I Can't Believe it's not Themed MiniMafia - Page 4

On July 13 2012 04:47 gonzaw wrote:

I don't see a "relatively noob" scum posting like this as soon as the game starts.
He "jokingly" accused 3 people by that point, and seemed cheerful about it. That's not how noob scum play (why would they try to "joke" accuse people if it puts them more in the spotlight as SOON as the game starts?), hell they even rarely post at the very beginning of the game at all, and they never appear cheerful or anything. Why? Because they are scum that's why, they have to check their scum QT, check their buddies, talk to them, think how they are going to proceed, etc.
Someone more experienced could pull this off, but I even doubt that.

That's what made me think Radfield wasn't scum on iGrok's game and I was right, basically no scum jumps right into the action at the very start of the game and start joking around and posting without hesitating at all.

On July 13 2012 10:33 marvellosity wrote:
damnit my case was so badly timed. dumb of me

On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
He's shat up a bunch of the thread talking about his proposal or trying to derail the discussion towards it.

On July 13 2012 17:07 Miltonkram wrote:
I'm looking for a player pushing a scummy agenda. Neither austin or Keirathi fit that bill to me. Talismania does. It's as simple as that.

On July 13 2012 20:10 Miltonkram wrote:
talismania- I've posted my reasoning before. He's promoted an anti-town environment.

On June 12 2012 18:13 Miltonkram wrote:

I know what you mean. It's great being on their team, fucking terrifying when they're working against you

Good to see so many familiar faces! Can't wait for this to get started so I can feed my Mafia addictio... uh... I mean... enjoy a wonderfully sporting event with you gents!

On June 13 2012 10:35 Miltonkram wrote:
Hey all, glad to see we've got a bit of activity already.

In NMM XV we actually had a decent discussion about no-lynches (involving me making a fool of myself) and how they can actually be beneficial in certain setups. That being said, we don't know for certain if we'll have any modkills so we should leave no-lynches off the table until we hit the unlikely scenario that a no-lynch is beneficial for the town.

Town, the best way to contribute is just to get posting. Let everyone know what your thoughts are. Did someone post something suspicious? Let us know about it. Do you think the town is making a bad move? Let us know about it. If a townie lurks he/she is letting down his/her entire team. So don't do it, K? I'm sooooooooper serious. Like sooooper, soooooooooooper serious.

Hey sciberbia, remember this
##Vote: sciberbia
...heh heh heh

On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:

Miltonkram: I found to my sorrow that making a case on a town Talis is an easy thing to do. This also means that he is an attractive target for scum to harp on. I found Milton's reasoning strange. His filter is small, but there are several references to the use of meta. He uses meta to inform his reads on Keirathi, Sciberbia, and austin...but not his top scum read? I know for certain that the information he would find would be useful to him here. His case reads as phony, and I think there is a good chance he rolled scum again.

Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads.

I feel better about lynching Miltonkram today, and as such:

##vote: Miltonkram

This game his [austin's] effort matches, and I feel he has made some good points on Risen. Him matching his town meta is only one piece of my view on him, and it's largely unnecessary. His actions thus far seem pretty pro-town to me.

On July 13 2012 11:33 Keirathi wrote:


As an aside: your case against Risen feels stronger than your case against Milton anyways. I'm kind of suprised you voted the way you did.

On July 13 2012 22:32 Vivax wrote:
For once I'll agree with you marv. Using self-presented behavior as argumentation is not reliable. Inconsistencies between arguments and intentions are much better for scumhunting.

Miltons intentions and arguments are :

1. Lynch talis based on (imo) weak arguments. At least too weak to draw such a quick decision about the lynch target. To me it just looks like Milton's trying to pick a target to blend in and call it a day, while defending himself like he does in point 2.

2. Defend from s0lstice using arguments not designed to defend oneself, but to attack s0lstice. That's also the inconsistency. If you think s0lstice is playing scummy, make a case against him. But don't point out things you find scummy and expect that to be your defense against that players' arguments.

On July 14 2012 00:55 strongandbig wrote:

As for your question I'm at work still so no deep thoughts yet - I'm inclined to give Risen the benefit of the doubt for a few days at least, since he has a good motivation to try to change his town play. Nothing on dropbear right now I'll try and reread his filter later.

On July 13 2012 17:07 Miltonkram wrote:
You're right on one thing, I should familiarize myself with talismania's meta, which is something I will do now that I've gotten home from work. (They called me in on my day off, the bastards)

Just a quick point. In no way does a player following their town meta absolve them of suspicion, but it does push them closer to a null read than a scum read. I'm looking for a player pushing a scummy agenda. Neither austin or Keirathi fit that bill to me. Talismania does. It's as simple as that.

On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:

gonzaw: Aside from his "lol how does the setup work?" posts everything he's done screams townie to me. Like the amount of effort he's put in just seems excessive. Even I imagine myself with 100% free time I can't see myself doing that much work as scum.

On July 14 2012 01:56 Miltonkram wrote:
@ marvellosity
I would argue that discussion has moved along well despite the way talismania has been posting. I see where you're coming from, talismania's proposal did spark discussion. The fact that he's been so intent to keep discussing a dead topic could easily derail the thread away from scumhunting, or, in the case of his "Reaction" post, doing really bad scumhunting based off of a terrible premise.

I'm not sure what you would like expanded on in that last comment you outlined. I'm going to look through previous games talismania has played to help inform my read on him. Is there something in there that isn't clear to you?

@ s0Lstice
I was jokingly making the point that I was sheeping marvellosity. I didn't mean to say that you were.

On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely

On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread?