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On July 13 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far  He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread
What do you want to disagree with?
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On July 13 2012 03:18 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 02:52 marvellosity wrote:On July 13 2012 02:43 Mattchew wrote:Marv I want to disagree with you so bad, but I was wrong about something JUST LIKE this is MTG mafia... hmm I don't like the way sciberbia has been posting... it all seems forced as hell like the way he says On July 12 2012 13:31 sciberbia wrote:gonzaw asked for some thoughts on Risen, strongandbig, and Mattchew. Obviously there is not much to go on yet, but here are my thoughts so far He clarifies that he's only saying this cause gonzaw asked, kinda reads to me like hes paranoid about not answering a question in the thread What do you want to disagree with? your read on vivax
What's to disagree with? I mean, you might not think he's scum, but what I wrote was true... bangs on about meta, says he doesn't want to rely on meta.
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What do you see in Vivax that makes you think he might be town?
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Interesting, because compared to LVI/newbie games I've seen him in, he seems more restrained here.
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i.e. all the talk about meta is a way of contributing without actually contributing
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On July 13 2012 04:18 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 03:32 marvellosity wrote:
i.e. all the talk about meta is a way of contributing without actually contributing You got your answers about matt. You asked for meta information, not me. My arguments against matt weren't based primarily on meta like you are trying to put it. Also, good job on asking for information you think is not a contribution. If that's the information you want town to get, it's not hard to guess which team you are on. Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 01:49 Vivax wrote:
Anyway, I don't like Matt's filter, it looks like he posts rather meaningless content, no active scumhunting in it, rather commenting on what other players already said.
He also acts a little differently than in LVI. Bold: The actual meta content regarding matt. It's interesting how you inflated such a sentence and go on calling it an inconsistency with my opinion regarding meta. I said I wouldn't base my reads heavily on meta. + Show Spoiler +On July 13 2012 01:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2012 01:39 DropBear wrote:
What do you mean by an informative post? Cos he made a case he must be town or something?
No, he doesn't have to be townie. But I initially voted for him cause he didn't post anything, then he posted the metagame info and I found it good enough to unvote him. I remember sciberbia for more concise, compact posts, and I remember him posting really early. He already explained why he didn't post early in this game, so what remains are the posts that subjectively look different to me. But I prefer to not rely heavily on meta, my play changes often aswell and I don't have as much experience.
Anyway, I don't like Matt's filter, it looks like he posts rather meaningless content, no active scumhunting in it, rather commenting on what other players already said. He also acts a little differently than in LVI.
y u always misunderstand me D:
I know I asked you how Matt was different this game, obviously it would be completely hypocritical of me to say you kept on talking about meta for that, I was talking about earlier when you made a couple of posts on sciberbia's meta and unvoted s&b for posting good 'meta' stuff on me.
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thank gosh we have gonzaw to solve the game for us Day 1 
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hmmm. scib looks ok to me at the moment.
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You also make some decent points in Vivax's defence. Looking forward to your megapost(s) :d
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Still reading, but one thing on austin:
"He could be scum bussing a scumbuddy. He could be scum calling out town. He's probably a townie. He's a townie but I don't like what he's doing. A lot of filter, but nothing really said."
Here, as I read it, he was summarizing what Risen had said and pointing out how wishy washy it was. He was not giving his own view on Risen.
This makes a pretty big difference.
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Keirathi, can you stop catching up and provide your views on a person or two?
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gonzaw - I'm trying to digest everyone's responses to your posts. I agree with you that austin's massive bunch of text about talismania's plan was quite misplaced, but I don't really agree about your criticism of his case on Risen, they seemed decent points to bring up.
It concerns me that Keirathi is trying to use meta (or lack of it) as a reason to back off him.
Who I'm particularly interested at the moment (read - he's scum), though, is s0lstice. I had this nagging feeling in the back of my head that I was missing someone from all these thoughts you brought up, and it was him.
He has a sum total of zero scum reads so far.
On July 12 2012 07:39 s0Lstice wrote:
like backflips?
anyway, in the other games I've played with sciberbia, he has had a post prepared as soon as the daypost hit the presses. it usually contains his thoughts on the typical day 1 fodder etc. needless to say he has never played scum.
I'm wondering where he is..
This post, what does it say?
1) sciberbia is always town (so far)
2) sciberbia always makes introductory posts fast at the start of the game
3) sciberbia has not done so here
What we're missing is the conclusion. He insinuates the idea that sciberbia might be scum based on the fact that he hasn't posted yet, but he doesn't say it. He just leaves the idea there.
On July 12 2012 10:15 s0Lstice wrote:
maybe I misread, but I'm pretty sure Marv was addressing Talis with those lines you quoted, gonzaw.
As far as the names you listed, I wouldn't want to kill any of them right now. Austin has easy town meta, I feel confident I can recognize it. Mattchew, Risen, and s&b are just blank pages. I am nervous however of Risen making a conscious effort to change his play-style. I read him right in SSB64 but just barely.
Lots of people he DOESN'T want to kill.
On July 12 2012 10:57 s0Lstice wrote:
it's not too fast. day 1 is weird, and it only really gets going when people do what you do.
right now I'd want to hear from Vivax, mainly.
my dear Vivax, what do you think of the people gonzaw posted about? do you find it scummy that they appeared excited to post, yet didn't say much past their intro?
"it's not too fast" - this was in response to gonzaw shooting out the blocks with scumreads and pointing fingers. s0lstice approves of this but does none of it himself. He asks Vivax if he finds something scummy, but he avoids saying that thing is scummy himself. Does Vivax find it scummy... idea planted - without saying what s0lstice thinks.
On July 12 2012 11:04 s0Lstice wrote:
Keirathi, assuming you are still around...
why so verbose about lurkers? what do you think of talismania's plan?
More questions... ok. "why so verbose about lurkers?" - you tell me, how is a townie really supposed to answer that question satisfactorily? It's like, a non-question. It feels like he's saying he's suspicious of it without saying anything about it. He asks what Keirathi thinks of talismania's plan but HE DOES NOT OFFER HIS OWN OPINION.
His final few posts in his filter are asking about gonzaw and his PM / # of scum crap, saying it gave him townie points. He's... townhunting?
There's no scumhunting in s0lstice's filter. There are leading questions to which he never provides his own opinion (talis' plan, 'do you find it scummy' at vivax) or statements where he implies something but never says it (scib hasn't posted yet), and appreciation for gonzaw starting scumhunting early but doing nothing himself. I believe s0lstice to be the best day 1 lynch.
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HEY. Hey now. People read my case pretty please <3
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He can't follow the sciberbia question up, because it was just an insidious way of placing suspicion on someone with no satisfactory answer either way.
I'm not talking about him 'following up' on the Vivax questions either, you seem to be misreading. It's the fact he's asking SOMEONE ELSE if they find soemthing scummy without proffering HIS OWN OPINION while he's at it.
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Like, it's easy to put it in shorthand:
he mentions that scib hasn't posted while he usually does as town, but what does HE think about it?
he asks Vivax about the people in gonzaw's post being scummy, but what does HE think about it?
he asks Keirathi about the verbosity, but what does HE think about it?
he asks about talis plan, but what does HE think about it?
The answer to everything is nothing.
What DOES s0lstice think? He thinks gonzaw might be town but he has to check, and he doesn't want to kill a bunch of people.
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damnit my case was so badly timed. dumb of me
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gonzaw, I disagree with you because you make fucking awful reads.
How's that?
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On July 13 2012 11:33 Keirathi wrote:I'm not marv, but I'll give my initial impression of your case against him. Your case mostly seems to be about his meta arguments, but all of them were based on games he actually played with those people, not on overall meta. Maybe you're right that he should have gone back and looked at the overall talis meta, but I don't fault him too much for just using meta from games that he was actually a part of and not pouring over thousands of posts of other players to figure out their meta.
As an aside: your case against Risen feels stronger than your case against Milton anyways. I'm kind of suprised you voted the way you did.
Also I very much felt that when I read it too, interesting.
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On July 13 2012 12:01 gonzaw wrote:
Also marv, what about S&B? What about Dropbear or Milkton? Do you think EVERYTHING I posted isn't worthy so you go and try to find scum somewhere else? I dunno dude, I posted that so people could post their thoughts about it (and hopefully) agree and vote some of those guys, not to have it completely ignored.
Clearly after having read all your usual prattle I felt there was a better option.
Basically you're saying here "don't scumhunt! Just listen to me!!!"
now THAT is scummy.
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