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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 13 2012 19:58 GMT
#458
and can we get a vote count?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 14 2012 05:18 GMT
#690
Hey guys I'm. Little drunk right nowzzzz but I want to lynch Gonzaw tlmmore cause his shoot is so lo g but bad and he acts likes it good... Off he thinks vivid I'd scum he's dumber than anywenbeebebe
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 14 2012 17:02 GMT
#697
Wow I guess drunk me doesn't like reading
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 17:02 GMT
#751
On July 16 2012 01:44 gonzaw wrote:
Just woke up, and it's Fathers Day here so I'll be gone for a couple of hours.


This is a fucking disgrace Mattchew, where the fuck are you?

Same to Dropbear really.

hey gonzaw, I think I found for sure scum brb posting soon
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 17:18 GMT
#753
On July 14 2012 01:32 talismania wrote:
hokay so

DropBear

I think he is scum for two reasons.

1) The timing with which he bashes my plan. Everyone else had already bashed it. If you look at that post, what possible purpose does it serve? It's not adding anything to the discussion, it's just prolonging it unnecessarily.

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On July 12 2012 15:18 DropBear wrote:
This is silly.
On July 12 2012 08:50 talismania wrote:
pardon me for some half-assed musing:

since we've got majority lynch to deal with, what about some sort of nomination system? I don't like how majority allows townies and scum alike to save their opinions on people, especially day one and just hop on whatever bandwagon is happening near the end of the day. It would be nice if, say, 24 hours in everyone puts up a list of three players they want to see in consideration for the lynch and reasons why. Then all that gets tallied up or something and we decide between the popular choices. Actually you wouldn't even need to tally or enforce that. Just having everyone put up three names with reasons should be good enough to move discussion towards a consensus lynch candidate or two (hush s&b yes I am and always will try to get people to post their impressions of others).

This isn't going to happen and would just waste time.



On the majority lynch, day 1 this tends to be a right kerfuffle. I can't think of any system that has ever worked on day 1 in games I have been part of. So fuck a system, we deal with it when the time comes. There should be solid candidates by then anyway.


2) Weird tone. He was an aggressive player when I played with him last, but didn't get feisty (the "angry koala" as acrofales dubbed him) until he was threatened with a lynch. He's been ornery and disruptive this entire game and I can't figure out why. Plus when he was angry before, it was righteous anger. This feels like sarcastic, trollish ribbing. Examples below:

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On July 12 2012 15:00 DropBear wrote:
Hello everyone.

I strongly disagree with town roleblocker being forced to claim, let alone not using their power. Having been one in past games that actually managed to block mafia KP I can testify to the usefulness of using this power.

With the added possibility of jailkeeper and mafia roleblocker any claim could be complete bogus anyway and would be very difficult to verify. If you are town roleblocker do not claim!




One thing I would like to say about how we go about things, please don't overpost. Say what you need to say and shut up. Be concise and clear.

This does not mean don't post, nor does it mean don't post often. It means don't post crap that doesn't need to be said.

Stuff like this isn't necessary and clogs up your filter, please don't do it.
On July 12 2012 12:39 Risen wrote:
Holy shit I used a smiley face...


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On July 12 2012 18:09 DropBear wrote:
On July 12 2012 16:10 gonzaw wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:38 Keirathi wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:14 DropBear wrote:
On July 12 2012 15:06 Keirathi wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying roleblocker should never, under any circumstances, use their power.

But it needs to be used with extreme caution because you probably have a higher chance (or at the very least, equal) of blocking a town blue than blocking a KP if you just pick randomly.

There are certainly situations where it can be a useful power, of course, but its much safer just to not use it until you have good, solid reads.

People have in fact said that it shouldn't be used period.
Gonzaw
talismania


Then I completely disagree with them. I'm still not positive they mean that there is a never a situation where RB can be useful, but if they think that then I encourage them to think harder.


Obviously there are exceptions. If there are 2 "very obvious scum" or something (and only 2 scum remain) then he can try to RB those.

But him trying to RB at random on N1 or even on N2 seems too risky to me, specially if that guys doesn't have very good reads (and isn't lucky).

@Dropbear: I don't like your attitude.

You just busted into the thread, basically discredited everything everybody said, and discredited every accusation anybody else has done, and that's it. All the while acting like you own the place or something (without actually taking charge).
However you are not progressing at all, you are just complaining.

Actually lets get the ball rolling (this thread is VERY silent so far, hopefully this changes that):

##Vote: Dropbear

You're just mad that I think your idea on the roleblocker is bad and your cases are bad.

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On July 13 2012 02:58 DropBear wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:20 talismania wrote:
On July 13 2012 02:00 DropBear wrote:
##Vote Vivax


the hell? any reasons beyond what marv said?

I called him out as being suss last page, do you read boy?

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On July 13 2012 17:01 DropBear wrote:
On July 13 2012 09:07 Vivax wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a tali lynch. Comparing filters I found Miltonkrams filter to be fairly empty and he targetted the easy target.

He posted

1. A list of his games to make himself available for a metacheck.

2. He comments on Talis plan being bad, and that being reason enough to be scummy.

My impression of talis plan gone bad so far: It's a magnet for players with no/bad cases to have a reason to post something accusing. The downside is that it might have triggered policy discussion and a lot of chaos, while promising a lot of clarity by forcing players to take a hard stance, so talis plan was risky from a town perspective, and I'd leave it at that. He said it worked in bastard mafia, let's leave it at that: It won't be used here.

3.
On July 13 2012 06:35 Miltonkram wrote:
I don't find the fact that he came up with the plan scummy, I find the amount of time he's spent defending himself from the fallout of his plan scummy. I think he's spent 3 or 4 posts just defending himself.


Defending oneself isn't scummy. If it's really the only thing you do, then yes, but Milton already knows that it's not the only thing tali is doing:

On July 13 2012 06:48 Miltonkram wrote:
EBWOP: I didn't notice that talismania was actually putting a fair amount of pressure on austinmcc. I still find the amount of time he's spent talking about his proposal scummy, but he has put a small amount of pressure on players.


still seems to firmly believe in a scum tali.

He doesn't have any other reads. He comments on Keirathi and sciberbia being unreadable to him.

I'll go for Milton if I don't see some arguments to his defense.

I'll defend Milton for you

He started late so hasn't posted as much. We knew that was happening before the games started.

Your point 1 directly helps people get a read on him. This is extremely positive town play.

In your point 2, you say how the plan allows pointless posting and how that doesn't help town, but then turn around and lambast Milton for pointing this out. Contradiction much?

There is no real pressure from talismania on austin at all. Milton is right, talismania IS only defending the plan and not committing to accusations.

Three reads is enough for day 1, no? Posting your read on every single person is just clutter.

You should be less obvious in defending your buddy.

SCUM TEAM

Vivax
talismania


(the entire tone of the above post)^

What makes the timing of that post and his tone scummy? Well both are unnecessary, both are disruptive and create an anti-town atmosphere, and, in the case of this response to my plan, it is essentially just an excuse to add filler to his filter. Look like contributing without actually contributing.

He's also had a relatively narrow focus, only looking at vivax and me. And really he was only looking at vivax, but then somehow in his last post I got shoehorned into the picture, perhaps to give him cover to vote for me later on.


##vote: DropBear

This is case is so forced and bad. It is like he looked at the player list, and said i'll try to make a case against dropbear today so i can look townie to everyone!

The first point is the timing of his response to Talis. Everyone responded to Talis's case including some LATER than Dropbear. Why is he treating Drop different from say S&B or anyone else that talked about his plan. NOT TO MENTION HE THEN GOES ON TO TALK ABOUT HIS PLAN AT LENGTH LATER IN HIS FILTER LOL.

The second point is the most commonly used tactic by bad players to lynch someone they don't like. I think Gonzaw fell prey to this a little too, but I don't know if his intentions were the same. Talis is literally saying, you were mean and that could create a bad town atmosphere (which aggressive DOES NOT EQUAL scum) and I would hope both Talis and Gonzaw as town would know this.

Since his vote on dropbear, he has been completely useless in the thread + Show Spoiler +
(hur dur pot calling the kettle black)
. He hasn't reached out to people to get on his vote in a townie way at all despite that one (albeit terrible) case, never actually pushing dropbears lynch. He doesn't reach out to others to help him lynch Dropbear with reasons or anything like that.

talismania is scum.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 17:18 GMT
#754
##vote talismania
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 18:10 GMT
#756
Drop you should be voting Talis with me, what do you think makes solstice more scummy than Talis?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 18:18 GMT
#759
On July 16 2012 03:14 DropBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 03:10 Mattchew wrote:
Drop you should be voting Talis with me, what do you think makes solstice more scummy than Talis?

In your case on tali you mention him having similar behaviour to gonzaw, but you haven't written a case on gonzaw. What differentiates them exactly?

Some of it is good, yes. Tali is still dodgy to me but then tbh so are you.

Mostly because I am unsure of gonzaw, and I can only vote/lynch 1 person today
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 20:42 GMT
#774
On July 16 2012 03:43 talismania wrote:
also wtf happened to your suspicions of sciberbia - what made you change your mind there?

still suspicious, just sure of you, nice scummy deflection btw

and risen, do you not agree with my case on Talis? What do you find wrong with it or townie about him
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 21:33 GMT
#776
On July 16 2012 06:28 gonzaw wrote:
Okay got back.

Skimming the thread, I got a weird feeling of solstice going against S&B, but that's maybe because I got a change of mind about S&B and wanted to give him a little break.

I see Mattchew just came right off the bat with a case and a vote...and I don't know if I like that (I didn't see him explaining wtf he did last day).

Anyways, gonna sort some stuff here in my house, do stuff for the other mafia game I'm playing, and get back here.

Dunno about talis yet, I'm having some difficulty trying to figure out the whole tails/Dropbear/solstice situation; but I'll make sure to read on that.

No explaination, wasn't around
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 21:45 GMT
#778
So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 21:55 GMT
#782
On July 16 2012 06:49 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left.


Not without explaining why you kept your vote on sciberbia (if you knew you weren't going to be back before the deadline) ro explaining anything at all or if you still thought sciberbia was scum.
Or anything at all basically. People not giving you an exact vote count isn't an excuse to waste your vote, leave the thread and come back 24 hours later without giving a shit about the lynch.

I had given my opinion on Vivax, because I wasn't confident in it doesn't mean I was ever going to vote to lynch him. So I left my opinions and my vote as they were
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 22:05 GMT
#788
On July 16 2012 07:01 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 06:55 Mattchew wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:49 gonzaw wrote:
On July 16 2012 06:45 Mattchew wrote:
So I couldn't have left 2 hours before the lynch? I wasn't voting Vivax, and my questions werent answered before I had left.


Not without explaining why you kept your vote on sciberbia (if you knew you weren't going to be back before the deadline) ro explaining anything at all or if you still thought sciberbia was scum.
Or anything at all basically. People not giving you an exact vote count isn't an excuse to waste your vote, leave the thread and come back 24 hours later without giving a shit about the lynch.

I had given my opinion on Vivax, because I wasn't confident in it doesn't mean I was ever going to vote to lynch him. So I left my opinions and my vote as they were


Vivax wasn't the 100% sure lynch at that point. Dropbear already had votes, and to be honest you could have voted for someone else like austin, Keriathi, etc since they had votes as well.
What made you keep your vote on sciberbia and not even consider changing it? What made you not even discuss about it? Or were you in too much of a hurry to explain stuff? If so you could have mentioned you were in a hurry before so we'd avoid this whole mess

I was in a hurry, but I am sick of playing in games and making weekend excuses for not being able post as much as I would like.



Read my case on Talis, tell me where I am wrong or vote with me on him.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 22:06 GMT
#789
S&B your thoughts on talis? I want him dead
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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 15 2012 22:27 GMT
#791
On July 16 2012 07:12 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 07:03 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
Don't you think Mattchew expected to get some serious flak for disappearing?


If he was scum and did it on purpose yes (if he's town then he obviously didn't think about it).

Show nested quote +
I just don't get why scum Mattchew would intentionally draw suspicion to himself unless he had a legit reason for vanishing.


I guess you don't know scum Mattchew and what he's capable of. Some scum don't give a shit about slight "WIFOMy" suspicion on themselves if they can get it away easily later or shift attention elsewhere and keep doing what they do. Risen, Mattchew, Palmar, Ace, etc are some players that tend to act like that as scum every once and then

Show nested quote +
Hence why I think it's just a busytell and not alignment indicative.


I don't know if its a busytell if I don't get a reasonable explanation for it. He WAS active when he made those posts, and there were lots of discussion going on about Vivax, Dropbear, Keirathi, solstice, etc. At that point in time (if he didn't just come, post and immediately leave) there were tons of things he could have done to help town, keeping his vote on sciberbia and not explaining anything isn't part of that.

Unless he was in such a hurry he only had time to post and not read the thread at all (and he still believed sciberbia was scum); then it's not a "busytell" and it's odd as fuck.

Him not explaining himself at all until I JUST asked him to is odd as fuck as well.


(damn, I see this is taking quite a detour in town discussion. Matt please explain EVERYTHING that went through your mind at that time and what you did (i.e what activity you had, if you were actually reading the thread or just posted and left, etc) so we can get this over with)

WHAT IS THE POINT OF THIS. STOP TALKING ABOUT MY ABSENCE AND AVOIDING THE ACTUAL MEANINGFUL SCUM HUNTING DISCUSSION IN THE THREAD.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 16 2012 00:42 GMT
#808
On July 16 2012 09:19 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 09:02 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
I'll post my thoughts on s&b next. Please post your most current thoughts on talis.


I found him initially suspicious last night, and so far I didn't see anything that would change my mind from him when I skimmed the thread.
But damn I still haven't finished reading the thread in its whole :/ (still haven't reached most of the cases done this day)
Too little time to do everything.

You look extremely dodgy right now with matters involving the actual lynch and scum hunting today
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 16 2012 01:13 GMT
#812
On July 16 2012 09:53 gonzaw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 09:42 Mattchew wrote:
On July 16 2012 09:19 gonzaw wrote:
On July 16 2012 09:02 sciberbia wrote:
@gonzaw
I'll post my thoughts on s&b next. Please post your most current thoughts on talis.


I found him initially suspicious last night, and so far I didn't see anything that would change my mind from him when I skimmed the thread.
But damn I still haven't finished reading the thread in its whole :/ (still haven't reached most of the cases done this day)
Too little time to do everything.

You look extremely dodgy right now with matters involving the actual lynch and scum hunting today


I haven't read the entire thread and I'm having doubts about some people.
Some, like solstice, I want to see how he reacts about that S&B thing I mentioned to see if their reaction is legit or not.
Same with austin, and Risen.

I haven't looked too much into talis/Dropbear since I haven't gotten to the cases against them (the ones on this D2), so I haven't updated my thoughts on them yet.

What do you mean by "dodgy" though?

you look like you are avoiding talking about scum hunting and cases made against people
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#848
Can we get a vote count (I won't disappear this time promise )
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 16 2012 19:13 GMT
#849
Shit I might have to vote myself for using smilies
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 16 2012 21:38 GMT
#884
On July 17 2012 06:27 s0Lstice wrote:
wha? How do either of you know how talismania behaves in mafia when he's frustrated. The only person who knows that is Talismania. He's not VE, the comparison doesn't work.

Anyway though it doesn't matter. The thing is being absent seems like a weird play for either side.

Quick note also. Go look at Talis' posting on Dropbear. It's clear to me that Dropbear's reactions to the prodding are part of Talis' read. Those questions you quoted are in line with that.

Mattchew, where are you?

Im here
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