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On July 14 2012 02:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 02:40 DropBear wrote:
I do not support a Risen lynch. He stated that he is busy and I liked some of his earlier stuff once he got past filler about smilies.
Specifics please
This aimed at gonzaw. Made perfect sense, the thread was barely 4 pages old and gonzaw was saying people were lurking.
On July 12 2012 09:49 Risen wrote:
Any particular reason you're trying to push something on people with a low post count in thread so early? Didn't even know lurking was possible at this point. So you're either an extremely eager townie or scum looking for easy targets to push early.
This because Vivax is scum.
On July 12 2012 16:38 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2012 16:29 Vivax wrote:
There's no link to a voting thread in the OP methinks.Add pls?
##Vote active lurk strongandbig Yes, this is going places. I like your thinking. I just like your style, my dude. You have my vote! ##vote: Vivax
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On July 14 2012 02:18 Mattchew wrote:
I am going to sheep marv, on solistice most likely
Is there any particular reason for this?
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Oh wow how did I get so many votes?
Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot.
I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning.
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On July 14 2012 13:34 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2012 13:31 DropBear wrote:
Oh wow how did I get so many votes?
Sorry Vivax, but you did meander around a lot.
I'm not keen on posting reads at night, too many WIFOM possibilities. I don't expect to be shot anyway due to the whole nearly getting lynched thing so I'll see the survivors in the morning. I'd really like you posting stuff and shit to convince me you are town (if you are). I think I'll get shot tonight (well I'm always shot N1, except when I'm playing with Ace), but even then I want to make the most accurate reads with the most possible info, so before dying town can take my words into account. Posting your thoughts on what I just posted about talis/S&B would be nice for instance.
Night posting gives scum a chance to manipulate their shots. I'm not a fan. Not only this the night flips could make it all completely moot anyway if the person dies and flips.
I have posted regarding suspicion of talismania previously. I hadn't looked at s&b at all.
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Response to Milton.
Vote on Vivax
- Marv ninja'd me in a case against Vivax. I had initiated the exchange with Vivax that led to marv's case. Mine was going to say pretty much the same thing.
Defence of you
- I defended you for several reasons. Firstly the person attacking you was Vivax, my biggest scum read. Secondly you were a fairly strong town read for me. Most importantly, at the time you were pretty close to leading the voting and were being discussed heavily, by Vivax, solstice and also marv to a lesser extent.
Response to talismania's case
- Talismania's case against me WAS an OMGUS. I disagree with him early on two occasions, here and also here.
I tied talismania and Vivax together based on Vivax's chainsaw defence of talismania onto you. Therefore I call him scum. Talismania then follows up with a big case on me afterwards.
In short, I disagree with him then call him scum, then he calls me scum. That's what an OMGUS is.
Also Tali's case was bad. I reacted angrily to it, I have a tendency to do that. He calls me disruptive and trolling. Read my filter from Bastard 2. I've been a LOT nicer this game, yet he calls me out as being more disruptive and bases a large part of his case on that.
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Response to Strongandbig.
Your case on this page is a prime example of what I mean by overposting. Did you really need to include every single post I make when you say only 3 of them are relevant? The posts you highlight as being against my directive for posting in fact are perfectly following my own advice.
- Post 4 as you put it, was a response to gonzaw. This was certainly concise and was relevant because gonzaw posted a case on me. I answered it in one line. Next.
- Post 9, talismania tried to explain to me how something he had done in a separate game was relevant here. I reply telling him I didn't pay attention to his plan in that game. I.e. this explanation of his meant nothing to me.
- Post 10 was where I was ninja'd by marv with his case on Vivax. I made it clear that I agreed with the case.
I really don't get what you mean about the "spirit" of my advice either. Last I checked this wasn't a philosophy class. I said post things that are important in a concise clear manner and I did that. You even say this yourself.
On July 15 2012 21:16 strongandbig wrote:
I contend that in general DropBear is not following the spirit of his pregame advice, even though he is mostly (but not nearly always) following the letter of it.
The rest of your case I covered in the response to Milton.
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Going back to look at yesterday's finaly votecount, these are a couple of things that interest me. Mattchew and Solstice stayed out of the lynch entirely. Their votes were throwaways.
Solstice has been very quiet and is suspect.
Firstly this. This is very very strange.
On July 14 2012 03:56 s0Lstice wrote:
Vivax- what happened to Miltonkram? You've waffled around on him quite a bit, and now Risen is your top scumread?
Miltonkram was certainly solstice's big scum read early on, yet he was dropped for Risen. But you call out Vivax for this?
Secondly, solstice doesn't really perk up until there is a case against him. Look through his filter, he posts nothing remotely controversial before this.
Lastly, why indeed did he vote for Risen? In doing this he directly avoided taking a side in the lynch and therefore responsibility, so why Risen? There are only two reasons given.
On July 13 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Risen: I've spent a ton of time in his past games. The two biggest things he did when he was scum that he didn't do when he was town were: a)stressing repeatedly that it's too early to have reads, and b)being forthcoming/defending his 'town reads.' So far this game he has hit both of those marks. He defended Mattchew, and concluded that Dropbear being town is likely. He has said twice that it's too early to post reads.
a)Risen posted that it was too early for gonzaw to have reads on the third page of the game proper. Damn straight this is too early to have reads. This is the only time he does this at all. This scum meta solstice speaks of doesn't match up.
b) B is tied to A. Firstly, he was actually one of the first to call me out. So that didn't happen. I can't actually find where he defended Mattchew anywhere in his filter beyond this post, which isn't defending anyone more attacking gonzaw for having strong reads so early.
So basically the grave reasoning behind solstice staying out of the lynch were factually incorrect and/or very very weak.
For hiding from controversy i.e. the lynch for very dodgy reasoning, his low activity before being on the back foot and calling out Vivax despite doing exactly the same thing himself, I will
##Vote s0Lstice
Mattchew was completely fucking useless day 1. There is so much crap in his filter I don't know how I didn't see it earlier. His vote on sciberbia was literally sheeping marv.
He has now however just ninja'd with a case on tali that actually seems reasonable, regardless of it's defence of me. This is a very sudden change of tone from his previous stuff and I don't know what to make of it. I would have said very strong FoS up until this.
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I have some points to make on austinmcc as well but its 2am so will do tomorrow morning.
Basically my list of distrust atm:
s0lstice
Mattchew
austinmcc
talismania
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On July 16 2012 03:10 Mattchew wrote:
Drop you should be voting Talis with me, what do you think makes solstice more scummy than Talis?
In your case on tali you mention him having similar behaviour to gonzaw, but you haven't written a case on gonzaw. What differentiates them exactly?
Some of it is good, yes. Tali is still dodgy to me but then tbh so are you.
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Haven't been able to post today, been busy.
General consensus is that talismania is dying. I agree that he is dodgy as fuck but I'm also wary about how little opposition his lynch is getting.
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Ok so re-reading day 2 there is noone defending talismania at all. Noone.
solstice you have sheeped the tali lynch really hard and have offered no response to my questioning of your Risen case on day 1, which was highly questionable. You are either scum falling in line to bus your doomed buddy or scum jumping on the bandwagon to lynch a townie as far as I am concerned.
My vote is staying where it is.
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I said I would post stuff on austinmc. I am backtracking on this. I will reserve my points until after the flip.
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Hey everyone, I have had some personal shit come up, my brother is very sick. Going to be a bit sporadic in my posting the next day or so.
Tali's flip makes a few people look bad, gonzaw, keirathi, milton.
However, things at this point kind of hinge on whether or not Risen is telling the truth, or indeed if he is in fact sane.
Risen are you sure of your sanity?
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On July 19 2012 05:20 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:13 DropBear wrote:
Hey everyone, I have had some personal shit come up, my brother is very sick. Going to be a bit sporadic in my posting the next day or so.
Tali's flip makes a few people look bad, gonzaw, keirathi, milton.
However, things at this point kind of hinge on whether or not Risen is telling the truth, or indeed if he is in fact sane.
Risen are you sure of your sanity? 1)Cops are guaranteed to be sane 2)Are you mason?
1) I can't see this in the OP? Where am I supposed to be looking?
2) No.
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I think we should lynch Risen.
Ok so two things are important. If Milton is telling the truth about the roleblocking and if they are mafia aligned AND if Risen is telling the truth and is sane.
A - Both are lying and are the remaining scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
B - Milton tells the truth, Risen lies and is scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
C - Both are telling the truth. Risen won't get another check at all. Mafia will either shoot or block him for the rest of the game. If Mafia decide just to block him and leave him alive, noone EVER gets confirmed. Then it makes Risen look bad and could lead to a shitstorm of mislynching later down the line. Lynching Risen now confirms strongandbig and solstice, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
D - Milton lies, Risen tells truth. Risen will almost definitely get shot if there is no mafia roleblocker, so we are going to lose him anyway as there are no medics and evidence so far suggests that there is no jailkeeper. He will almost definitely die. Lynching Risen confirms solstice and strongandbig, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
Based on the permutations, I think we should lynch Risen.
If there are holes in my logic please point them out!
##Vote Risen
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On July 19 2012 06:33 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:29 DropBear wrote:
I think we should lynch Risen.
Ok so two things are important. If Milton is telling the truth about the roleblocking and if they are mafia aligned AND if Risen is telling the truth and is sane.
A - Both are lying and are the remaining scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
B - Milton tells the truth, Risen lies and is scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
C - Both are telling the truth. Risen won't get another check at all. Mafia will either shoot or block him for the rest of the game. If Mafia decide just to block him and leave him alive, noone EVER gets confirmed. Then it makes Risen look bad and could lead to a shitstorm of mislynching later down the line. Lynching Risen now confirms strongandbig and solstice, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
D - Milton lies, Risen tells truth. Risen will almost definitely get shot if there is no mafia roleblocker, so we are going to lose him anyway as there are no medics and evidence so far suggests that there is no jailkeeper. He will almost definitely die. Lynching Risen confirms solstice and strongandbig, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
Based on the permutations, I think we should lynch Risen.
If there are holes in my logic please point them out!
##Vote Risen I like how this ignores every other player in the game rofl. Dropbear is Keir's partner?
Dude there is no way of confirming either claim beyond a flip. I can see absolutely no reason why you have claimed so early, or for your breadcrumb. You were under suspicion from several people and were unlikely to be shot by mafia. Plus you say you had no scum hits so you had no real important information to give by claiming.
I have no idea whether I believe you or not and this is as far as I can tell the only way, given the added complication of Milton's claim.
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On July 19 2012 06:42 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 06:40 DropBear wrote:On July 19 2012 06:33 Risen wrote:On July 19 2012 06:29 DropBear wrote:
I think we should lynch Risen.
Ok so two things are important. If Milton is telling the truth about the roleblocking and if they are mafia aligned AND if Risen is telling the truth and is sane.
A - Both are lying and are the remaining scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
B - Milton tells the truth, Risen lies and is scum. Lynching Risen gets scum.
C - Both are telling the truth. Risen won't get another check at all. Mafia will either shoot or block him for the rest of the game. If Mafia decide just to block him and leave him alive, noone EVER gets confirmed. Then it makes Risen look bad and could lead to a shitstorm of mislynching later down the line. Lynching Risen now confirms strongandbig and solstice, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
D - Milton lies, Risen tells truth. Risen will almost definitely get shot if there is no mafia roleblocker, so we are going to lose him anyway as there are no medics and evidence so far suggests that there is no jailkeeper. He will almost definitely die. Lynching Risen confirms solstice and strongandbig, tomorrow we lynch through one of the other remaining players.
Based on the permutations, I think we should lynch Risen.
If there are holes in my logic please point them out!
##Vote Risen I like how this ignores every other player in the game rofl. Dropbear is Keir's partner? Dude there is no way of confirming either claim beyond a flip. I can see absolutely no reason why you have claimed so early, or for your breadcrumb. You were under suspicion from several people and were unlikely to be shot by mafia. Plus you say you had no scum hits so you had no real important information to give by claiming. I have no idea whether I believe you or not and this is as far as I can tell the only way, given the added complication of Milton's claim. That doesn't explain why you ignore completely all other people in this game. Your play of lynching me then shooting another townie tonight leaves enough confusion that a mislynch on a townie tomorrow is a very real possibility.
I don't ignore all the other people. The plan takes into effect you, strongandbig, solstice and milton. That's 4 of 9, no? Even if it fucks up and takes 2 townies with it, there is still one more mislynch possible until lylo if I count correctly, assuming there are 2 remaining mafia. 2 out of 5 is a pretty good chance I would say with two lynches, not only that last I checked I was a terran as well so make that 2 out of 4.
You neglected my question about your sanity. If you are unsure of your sanity, my plan goes out the window and I go back to scumhunting the old-fashioned way.
Do you know if you are sane or not?
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solstice or strongandbig if you are a mason get the fuck in here and claim.
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On July 19 2012 06:53 strongandbig wrote:
oops that was to derpberp where he asked if the cop was confirmed sane
Can you please link me? I can't find this point that you speak of.
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On July 19 2012 07:04 Keirathi wrote:
I really don't understand why the other mason isn't claiming. Is the possiblity of confusing the mafia as to whom to NK better than confusing the town when it gets to LYLO and you claim?
Or bugs trolled us all and there is no second mason.
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