....so?
Have you read rastaban's claim then? Did you change your mind? No? Why? Why not?
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 22:35 GMT
#4107
On July 30 2012 07:05 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On July 30 2012 07:01 gonzaw wrote: You do realize that rastaban claimed the exact same thing before right? sorry, could you link where this is? ....so? Have you read rastaban's claim then? Did you change your mind? No? Why? Why not? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 22:35 GMT
#4108
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 22:44 GMT
#4112
On July 30 2012 07:39 Probulous wrote: I'm reading it Gonzaw. Don't worry, if you flip town, I will take a closer look but right now flipping you makes the most sense to me. My problem with your play is that you started terribly and then never really got into the game until this last day. It is like you want to contribute only when under pressure and that makes it hard to take your thoughts seriously. Like I said, if you are town, your words will gain some weight with me because it is clear you are putting effort in. Well, I know I didn't play up to my "usual town" standards, but I really hope you guys read what I posted once I flip. On July 30 2012 00:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Show nested quote + On July 29 2012 23:19 marvellosity wrote: well, yea. we're gonna be surprised at some point probably. This. Maybe once Gonzaw is gone scum will surrender...he's notorious for "never give up, never surrender" isn't he? Never gonna give town up, Never gonna let town down Never gonna run around and desert town Never gonna make town cry, Never gonna say goodbye Never gonna tell a lie and hurt town But no, if I was scum I think I'd surrender by now. Although if I was scum I wouldn't know who my buddies would be, so maybe I could be scum with Prob and syllo or something so there'd be no need for me to surrender. On July 30 2012 07:41 austinmcc wrote: Gonzaw, if I'm chairman of marketing, how did I see the PM that risk.nuke received from Chez last night? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=202#4033 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=202#4035 You didn't "see" any PM, rastaban did and then you just said "lol I saw it too" It wouldn't take a genius to see that Chezinu sent it to risk either, or you just took a guess | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 23:01 GMT
#4115
Obviously Chezinu sent the message to risk, since all 3 of you are scumbuddies lol | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 23:02 GMT
#4116
Maybe as a ways to finally confirm the names of the mafia team to each other (although I guess you knew who each of you were by now) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 23:24 GMT
#4119
On July 30 2012 08:13 austinmcc wrote: So Q-bert-Z just happens to bold the word mole in his earlier post, but it turns out he's town? So Zealos just happens to hide a scum message, then cut part of it to post it, then do nothing for the entire game, but it turns out he's town? I don't understand what the hell some townies are doing this game, so I'm done trying to understand what they are doing. And the third PM from N1, confirmed by WBG, just happened to materialize out of thin air? That's probably what the "Broadcaster" ability does, or it could have just been the remaining minion ability we don't know about (if it isn't the Broadcaster one) Plus, in either of your scenarios, rastaban is town. I just happen to know his role PM, despite all other mafia flipping with VT fakeclaims? *sigh* http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=192#3834 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=195#3890 It's obvious you just claimed the same thing he did | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 23:32 GMT
#4122
Plus you'll find out about it in 30 minutes | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 29 2012 23:33 GMT
#4124
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 30 2012 00:07 GMT
#4126
le sigh | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 31 2012 22:29 GMT
#4368
lol, at some points of this game I was just laughing out loud (I was serious about it in that PM I sent to risk ). Everything went wrong for us After not being able to play D1 and having my credibility shot down I knew I couldn't do anything for the rest of the game (akin to Liar Game). I also legitimately though BH and Meapak were town >_> (well, Meapak was town-aligned so that was kind of accurate) | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 31 2012 22:32 GMT
#4369
Like someone said, if they check an executive or minion-who-received-message on D1 they could out like 2-3 scum (depending on the message), and scum have almost no way to prevent that since they don't know any of the town roles in the game. Considering how many "obvious mafia" (layabout, Palmar, BH, sloosh, etc) were around, I didn't think there's be a "snoop" or something like that around since they would have checked one of them and outed their PMs already, and not get something on N4. | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
July 31 2012 22:35 GMT
#4370
The only time I go away for ~30 hours 2 scum die and a bandwagon on the scum pardoner happens :/ I tried to do a heavy defense of Palmar there so people would think something like "there's no way scum would heavily defend someone so obviously scum like that who will obviously get lynched".....guess it didn't work :/ | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:04 GMT
#4383
On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote: I agree with what Bloody Cobbler is saying. I think if you halved the number of town blues the game would be fairer. Three day vigilantes is insane. We didn't need the snoopers or the cop to out the mafia team eventhough they are incredibly powerful roles. Risk, given the setup I have no idea why you would not just risk it on your own. Your team know you are looking for scum and unless you are a the town leader you are unlikely to get killed. If you do, well that is the risk you take. As for town lynching you, you have more power than the other townies in that you can night kill (once the rest are dead) so you should be able to manipulate town into misslynching. I know it is a risky strategy, I never said I expected everyone to do it. I am just suprised given 9 mafia that none tried it. PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you. I tried to legitimately scumhunt... ....I actually thought Zealos was scum, BH and MZ were town, sloosh was more likely town and that Mattchew was scum (although I didn't pursue that since I thought he was the other executive ). Seriously lol Mattchew was always "gonzaw is town get off him!" and tunneling Katina so much I thought he was the other executive and the CEO gave him orders to keep me alive/tunnel Katina | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:08 GMT
#4386
On August 01 2012 07:56 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2012 07:32 gonzaw wrote: Those 2 snoops are very strong though >_> Like someone said, if they check an executive or minion-who-received-message on D1 they could out like 2-3 scum (depending on the message), and scum have almost no way to prevent that since they don't know any of the town roles in the game. Considering how many "obvious mafia" (layabout, Palmar, BH, sloosh, etc) were around, I didn't think there's be a "snoop" or something like that around since they would have checked one of them and outed their PMs already, and not get something on N4. I bought too hard into the "DTs check people who will be around later and you're going to want to know their alignment" mentality, so I avoided anyone I thought was going to get lynched. In hindsight, that was a particularly bad idea, because even when we had 2-3 clear candidates for a lynch I chose not to check any of them, fearing chance. Also, lol dem <_<s. I was reasonably sure you sent that because of the sender saying everyone thought him mafia, but those faces just confirmed it. If you'd been sending messages like that all along, you were getting to freely out yourself to every minion that noticed. I did that on purpose, so my minions knew who I was (also the linebreaks, bolded and underlined titles, and stuff). ....I guess that was a "common strategy" at that time, trying to give other mafia as much info as possible. Again I didn't know about any "nosy employer" role or anything so I didn't think there'd be any risks. I didn't know about the mole by then, but well I didn't really care about the mole knowing who I was. Plus all my minions were acting as scummy as fuck so I didn't think any of them would be a traitor >_> | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:10 GMT
#4387
On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote: PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you. That "PM Cop" outed three scum when he caught my message. It's not "irrelevant" if he can catch more than 1 scum with a "check", or can know all about scum's strategies (even if he outs only 1 scum). | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:14 GMT
#4388
Also lol Zealos not only was "caught" yet was actually acting scummy. I can't believe how people didn't lynch him. Even I thought he was scum until like D4, how the hell did you guys figure out he was town? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:14 GMT
#4389
Ehm, should stop triple-posting and just edit my posts >_> Ooops there I go again | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:29 GMT
#4392
On August 01 2012 10:05 slOosh wrote: Woo it's finally over! Really didn't expect to replace as an exec, seeing has this was only my second time rolling scum, and because Foolishness talked to gonzaw first, I was clueless for a half cycle, and was just relaying whatever he said because I didn't know what to say. This game was particularly difficult because as mafia we had to find out who mafia were separately from the thread, and in essence play two games at once, the first to find mafia teammates and the second to then push the not mafia. Not knowing if who you were pushing was 100% town or not causes hesitation, and it probably leaked out in the posts, whereas townies just played regular. It feels like most effort was put into identifying other mafia members, and therefore less energies were available to mislead / misdirect town. My first claim was probably panic induced as Foolishness was dead and suddenly I became the scum in charge without a clue how to play. I then pulled out the mole and doctored the PMs - second mistake here. I mistook pardoner for politician in my mind and thought BM was indeed mafia, so screwed up there, and I subbed katina's name with risk's which I believe played a part in his lynch (not sure, wasn't paying too much attention after I died) - didn't know risk was scum so shot ourselves in the foot there too. I wanted to set up Meapak for the late game but I should have realized sooner that medic on mafia team was dumb as heck. Or maybe I realized when he did the worst fake claim of all time. Maybe if Foolishness was alive a couple more cycles so that we could get some communications going it would have helped us ... but I really think that even without communication just the pure knowledge of knowing who was on your team would be so much better. Like, scum don't get a QT but are given each member's names kinda setup could maybe show the importance of communication better. All in all, thank you hosts for hosting, and players for playing. p.s. join Mad Men Mafia so we can start playing. I loled when you posted the "fake" PMs and people started filtering QBertz, and outed him as scum because of it (because he was "crumbing he had a passive ability by calling quiet people out" and that shit, as well as noticing the mole thing). lol worst luck ever My first claim was probably panic induced as Foolishness was dead and suddenly I became the scum in charge without a clue how to play Well, it made me think you were town at least (since I sincerely didn't think of any reason for you to claim that as scum) Defending you there was my attempt to "play townie" >_> Same as defending BH <_< ...and MZ >_> lol it certainly came back to bite me in the ass I wanted to set up Meapak for the late game but I should have realized sooner that medic on mafia team was dumb as heck Hmm, I didn't realize it at the time....but surely the scum medic would be on Foolishness at all costs right? Like, he was the most "likely scum" a minion could find, and any minion would know a scum Foolishness was either likely executive or CEO. The fact that Foo' died without the medic protecting him could have convinced us the Medic was the traitor. Anyways, I went through much of the game assuming none of my minions were traitors (although I had a slight suspicion on Palmar at one time since he went against all mafia at one point I think :/ ) I'd really like some "strategy" talk from the hosts though Like...what to message to your minions and stuff. I couldn't think of anything :/ I just gave them all the info I had, crumbed my identity in the order....and just tell them "do your thing" and nothing else. I tried thinking of using risk's or QBertz's abilities somehow (to confuse town and shit) but couldn't come up with anything in particular throughout the whole game. Yeah I was kind of clueless about the orders (I knew that would have happened since even before joining though >_> I was mostly planning on playing town here and see how to catch "uninformed" scum, not be "uninformed" scum myself ) Also Foolishness...what was that "there will be a surprise in the thread at one point and you don't have to react to it, think about it before posting" thing you told us about? | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:37 GMT
#4397
On August 01 2012 10:25 Probulous wrote: Show nested quote + On August 01 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote: Again: On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote: PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you. That "PM Cop" outed three scum when he caught my message. It's not "irrelevant" if he can catch more than 1 scum with a "check", or can know all about scum's strategies (even if he outs only 1 scum). I was responding to risk. My point was that playing a solo game would make PM snoopers irrelevant because you would aim to look as townie as possible. Remember snoopers only get PM that go to or come from the person they check. But then the snoopers would still check that minion and see he received a scum message I made my reasoning quite clear. The claim thing was dumb but it made no sense from a scum perspective either. Actually his whole play this game was terrible but it was not malicious and he doesn't have a record of playing fantastically. Compared to yourself who I know is really inciteful when you roll town, so I knew you were scum. I mean I almost got you lynched Day 1 and the only thing stopping me from pushing you later was I thought you were genuinely busy. That and we had better targets. Couldn't you say the same thing about sloosh? I mean, his claim didn't "make sense from a scum perspective" either (was just bad), and his play wasn't that incriminating (compared to Zealos at least). Yet Zealos was never considered as lynch at all yet sloosh was always "almost confirmed scum" ever since he claimed. Of course, unless I'm missing something that made people think "Zealos is town" and "sloosh is scum" that didn't have anything to do with their "dumb claims/reactions". Look at your targets for scumhunting. They were easy to push, you never went after the really big fish and you never raised something completely new. If you are behind (people think you are scum) you have to do something different. Something big. It was really hard to establish your innocence in this setup because everyone should have been legitimately scumhunting. This was true for town and for scum. The problem scum had was they decided not to do that on Day 1 which meant you guys were never truly cleared. I tried doing that with supersoft on D2 and nobody paid attention to me at all (even if they agreed) By that point I knew I had zero town presence and everything I did was pointless basically. The only thing I aimed to do was: save Palmar on D3 (a 2-shot scum Pardoner could have been very useful in late-game), and try to convince people I was town by the way I pushed my reads (on players I thought were scum/town). As you can see my reads sucked as well so that didn't help :/ | ||
gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
August 01 2012 01:43 GMT
#4399
On August 01 2012 10:36 austinmcc wrote: Show nested quote + 2 were caught by the snooping, Q-bert-Z was caught by his own posting.On August 01 2012 10:10 gonzaw wrote: Again: On August 01 2012 07:54 Probulous wrote: PM Cops are irrelevant. Think about it, the people who the PM cops checked were all playing like mafia. The PM cop is the same as any other cop in that if you are playing with clarity they shouldn't check you. That "PM Cop" outed three scum when he caught my message. It's not "irrelevant" if he can catch more than 1 scum with a "check", or can know all about scum's strategies (even if he outs only 1 scum). I agree that QBertz was "found" before by sloosh's PM incriminating him. But my PM basically confirmed him as scum since I heavily implied I was talking about him in it (and people figured it out). So before QBertz was "likely scum" but after my PM he was "almost confirmed scum" I agree that the role was strong, but we were also lucky in that I never caught a town message. Like, see rasta outing himself because of the double Chez message. Seemed like we would very well might have lynched Chez the next day, outing a nosy employee AND lynching a townie, just because of the town messaging roles. Honestly, in 8 checks we caught 1 scum message between the two of us. Had we caught a few town, especially town messages that were trying to fake mafia instructions...could have led to a couple easy mislynches and the outing of a few power roles. Just didn't play out that way. Yeah, had you not checked risk that would have happened. Again, shitty luck/circumstances there, I was getting happy that maybe we could have gotten 1 or 2 misslynches (in Chezinu/Katina) before losing Show nested quote + Zealos didn't look lovely, but he was so entirely uninvested in the game before that message, and remained so entirely uninvested afterwards, that he didn't feel like a better lynch than other options. Plus, once mafia started flipping, they'd ALL been pushing Zealos. Made it really easy not to lynch the guy when every scum wanted him lynched.On August 01 2012 10:14 gonzaw wrote: Also damn. I keep looking at the scum team, and if the game hadn't started yet I'd say the scum team would win Also lol Zealos not only was "caught" yet was actually acting scummy. I can't believe how people didn't lynch him. Even I thought he was scum until like D4, how the hell did you guys figure out he was town? Yeah but scum didn't know each other. I thought Zealos was scum but "bussed" him to save Palmar (which didn't work). | ||
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