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About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much. I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it. There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town. I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter. Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/ After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
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On July 18 2012 09:00 Probulous wrote:GonzawHe really impressed me with his play in the iGrok game when he was town but here he has been underwhelming to say the least. Compare a typical post from that game Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 06:24 gonzaw wrote:On June 11 2012 06:14 Palmar wrote: Just for the record, I think MZ failed already and I'd be willing to lynch him.
Piggybacking on Greymist's thoughts on RNG to express your own thoughts while making sure you're not the original argument for the idea is terrible.
Let's do this. I noticed that too; but I wanted to wait and see how he behaves after that. I didn't see any aparent scum motivation with his post, but it's "fishy" enough to keep a close eye on him and see how he acts the remainder of D1. On June 11 2012 06:13 GreYMisT wrote: You accuse me of only posting fluff while I stated I would not be able to do much for all of today. Strawman. I accuse you of not "holding" your end of the deal in that previous post you made. You certainly did have time to discuss the RNG thing instead of analyzing, or at least trying to analyze, so you justifying it by saying "I don't have enough time" is irrelevant. why bring this up now? there has not been a missing KP, nor has there even been a night phase. The only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch. Because I don't want scum to forget about it. After I posted that, I realized that if I was Crazy Fiend this game I'd be fucked However I'm not so it's all cool (just another game mechanic to take advantage of), that way we can try to focus on catching scum alone, and perhaps let scum get rid of the CF themselves (by shooting him+outing him in the thread later). he only reasoning I can see behind this post is to remind the thread that you have thought critically (before the game started) and to get us off track of discussing a lynch Right, my only reasoning behind that post was to "get us off track of discussing a lynch", when I was the only that tried to get you people to abandon wasting time with the RNG talk and try to discuss a lynch in the first placeYou are not doing a good job of defending yourself Greymist. What do you think of Wiggles? To his filter here. I mean the closest thing I can find to pushing a read, or poking, or asking a tough question or just generally being productive are his two big posts here and here. 90% of the stuff in there is just fluffy questions, even his vote reasoning is terrible Show nested quote +I've read syllogism posts and I did get that feeling he's just trying to appear pro-town while not contributing himself. Him accusing Prob for making that post 1 minute into D1 seems so fake. I don't think a town syllo would actually believe that or accuse him like he did without either changing his mind or following up on it He seemed pretty aggressive against Meapak, Katina and others, but just in an "accusatory" tone of his post that doesn't help town at all but helps create more confusion by casting suspicion on many people. I think he's scum since I didn't see syllo act like this in Liar Game. He was more intent on getting information from people, not shit on people, cast suspicion and not try to shit things up. Which is just a straight up parrot of what other people have said. Then he does a complete 180 to use Syllo's logic to vote for Foolishness when no-one was voting for him. He doesn't present anything knew or even poke Foolishness. Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote:Fuck, syllogism makes sense about Foolishness, I don't know if I was wrong about him before or this is him "finding other scum for us" like wbg said, but damn, maybe lynching syllo is not a good choice, I think lynching Foo' today would be better. On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote: And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful. This is the kind of post I don't see town Foo' doing at all. He just mentions BH and adds some wishy-washy stuff about how he acted like this as 3rd party and concludes nothing at all. Foo' defending Palmar when Palmar was acting like a dick by saying things like "we can figure him out as scum by D3 if he has less than 6 pages of filter" is so stupid I can't believe a town Foo' would say that. I've posted about his earlier posts before. ##Unvote: syllogism ##Vote: Foolishness He is so concerned with looking good that he doesn't bother to actually participate. This is complete contrast to the iGrok game where he actively pushed people, broke down the setup and was generally a hard ass. ##Vote: Gonzaw
I knew this would happen, it's entirely my fault. Shouldn't have joined this game when I was playing 2 other ones. In iGrok's game, I was playing only one and it was a mini, you can't really compare me to that game.
On July 18 2012 10:16 austinmcc wrote:I'd prefer to vote for GGQ (or Sandro), but those aren't lynch options. Gonzaw looks like the candidate on the block now, and I'm okay with a gonzaw vote Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote: @Palmar: Could you post why you think me, GGQ and others are scum? I agree about syllo and Foo, but that's not news at all.
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I haven't read MZ, GGQ, austin, and other's but I will after I come home in a few hours. Besides the other stuff that's been mentioned, here's Gonzaw giving some specific filters that he's going to read. Gonzaw comes back from reading those with: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote: About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much. I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it. There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town. I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter. Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/ After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
So he skimmed MZ, finds him townie. Looked at my filter, had mixed feelings, but still voted me. It feels a little off to me that he doesn't mention GGQ, the third player he was going to look at. If GGQ is such an easy target, why not add GGQ? Why not mention you found him scummy? Does Gonzaw have feelings so mixed on GGQ that he looks better than me? That's a little hard for me to believe. I'm know I'm a topic of conversation at this point, but he still finds time to mention that he read MZ and give his read on MZ. Sort of makes it seem like he didn't read. It ain't much, but it's something that stuck out to me beyond me just saying "I like non-austin targets, sheeping dat vote" ##vote: Gonzaw
I haven't read GGQ's filter yet.
On July 18 2012 09:16 Probulous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote: About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much. I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it. There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town. I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter. Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/ After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
In case you were wondering why I singled out this post, I'll explain it to you. The first bit Gonzaw explains he is confused by poor austin's behaviour. It just doesn't make sense from a town point of view but damn it is cluttering up this thread that is so hard to read. But it is alight, there are some small things that make him "unconfident" that austin is scum (like WTF?), so he doesn't think he is scum. But hey why not lynch him, right? Honestly can someone explain this sentence to me? Show nested quote +There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town. Everything about it says Austin is town but he straight up votes for him? This is not townie Gonzaw.
What do you want me to do if nobody will vote for Foolishness? There were 2 candidates, BH and austin so I had to choose the one more likely to be scum to try and avoid NL, whether I liked it or not, I couldn't do anything else since I was going away.
Anyways, as far as I've read, Foolishness is scum, syllo is likely scum as well. I got a scum read from Mattchew initially but that response to my post made me change my mind, it didn't seem as aggressive as I would have expected. I don't see laya as scum at this point since he seems genuinely frustrated, but I'm not that sure. sandro+wbg+katina are town. I haven't noticed anything else, other than austin's posts but like I said I'm not too sure about him.
I can't believe I'm getting lynched just because I don't have time. Once the other UG game I'm playing in and/or Can't Believe ends (or I die in them) I'll be able to devote more time to this game, but not right now.
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They could have easily been lynched if people had listened to reason and not say "we are not lynching vets today".
Anyways, I'm not in the mood right now and have to do other stuff, can't even find the willpower to read a single filter. I don't know when the deadline is, but perhaps me getting lynched would be better, specially if a NL is the other alternative and I'll get the same shit on N1/D2.
Fuck it, sorry Ver/Incognito :/ At least I learned my lesson here.
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Okay, I feel better now.
That NL last night seemed pretty bad, but I actually think it was a good choice, since I think BH is town and would have been misslynched
About BH: I don't see him as scum to be honest, he's too confident and doesn't care about what people think of him. He's too arrogant to be scum, I'd think he'd be more careful if he was scum.
For instance:
On July 16 2012 15:32 Blazinghand wrote: @Prob: I think that's Chezinu you got quoted there.
In any case, in this setup it seems pretty straightforwards to me. Analyze like normal, hold people to their views like normal, look for weird unsubstantiated cases like normal. There's more scum and they're less organized, but I don't see why we need to do our D1 or D2 anything different than what we typically do. Just keep an eye open for people doing shit without legit town motives and you're good to go as always.
@Chezinu: Chaos bad
##vote: Chezinu
Starting the game with a vote on a guy everybody knows is just crazy is very risky as scum. Not only that but he was the first one to try and get some scumhunting going:
On July 17 2012 01:01 Blazinghand wrote: Yes. M_Z's pressure was craptacularly underwhelming and indicates to me that he's scum looking to build a backdoor in his wagon in case it turns out to be a bus. Therefore I voted him. Probulous comes off to me as unhelpful and unthoughtful, so I am ignoring his questioning. If you'd really like, I can take a look at him, but I think he's just scum farting into the wind to throw me off the scent.
Coupled with his vote on MZ.
He's too "all over the place" to be scum. Plus his reaction to when he was lynched seemed legit.
Foolishness is scum:
I have a little more time right now so I can make a proper case. Don't know why I'd get flak about this, specially if people ignore what I actually said and keep ignoring Foolishness to attack me. But anyways
Previous thoughts about him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=36#715 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=42#836
I already talked about his first post, but his second one doesn't help him at all either.
On July 17 2012 06:39 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote:On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? That's not what I said. I said mafia don't propose things like random lynch day 1. Palmar does stupid things but there's a big difference between claiming to be a king and trying to get a random lynch day 1 (he even made that txt document as well). Wanting to be a king was stupid but it had an agenda behind it and there were benefits for him to do so. Random lynch day 1 has no agenda and will not help him if he's mafia. He knows it's not going to ever happen so what's the point? Just see how people will respond to him is all he's doing. Being a king pushed an agenda for him; especially so since it was a PM game.
I already said that defending Palmar because he proposed RL, specially when it's Palmar we are talking about (and specially since Palmar already proposed RL as scum before, albeit other people have already proposed it before in that game) was stupid. Not only that, but he tries to justify by saying Palmar's other "absurd play" from Liar Game (wanting to be king) pushed a scum agenda. Why does this matter? He took an even older scum game from Palmar, if he wanted to compare he'd take iGrok's game (which actually he used....to justify Palmar posting the RL thing making him townie). This doesn't make sense and I don't think there is a way town Foolishness would actually believe so
Day 1 nuke is a Kurumi-esque thing to do, but I've said that before about him when he's mafia. I want the nuke redirected at marvellosity because he's mafia.
He defends Kurumi (who we know is scum), and accuses marv without any reasoning behind it. Town Foolishness wouldn't accuse anybody at all without explanation, he'd never do that.
I won't comment his case on syllogism, since he may have actually thought syllo was scum and tried to bus him, or genuinely tried to scumhunt.
On July 17 2012 15:26 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: About Palmars RL thingy: Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game
I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum. I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum. I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target".
About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum. I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ). I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days.
The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that. If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners. If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof.
This is bullshit. After being shown he was wrong he tries to justify his town read on Palmar any way he can. "If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6, then he's town". There are several things wrong with this: 1)Thanks, now if Palmar is scum he knows exactly what to do to avoid suspicion (at least from you) 2)This is bullshit. Post count doesn't relate to being scum at all. Palmar could post 3 pages and be town or post 6 pages and be scum, the content is all that matters.
This is a shitty heuristic that isn't actually how you catch scum Palmar (scum Palmar gives a shit about D1 but stops giving a shit about D2-D3, has nothing to do with post count), and I find it very suspicious that town Foolishness would not only believe it, but apply it to figure out Palmar is town. I didn't see Foo' say anything about the content of Palmar's posts, or anything, he just tried to use 2 shitty heuristics to say he's town, nothing else.
Conveniently he forgot about Palmar the rest of the game, but I guess he won't even try to read Palmar until Day 3.
On July 17 2012 15:44 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 15:29 wherebugsgo wrote: How would you advise me about reading VE? Click his filter, click his filter from a game where he's mafia and a game where he's town? Then do one of those compare/contrast things teachers seem to be so crazy about. Honestly what do you want me to say? I played in more games with VE before he was good I don't know what to say about him. I remember posting an analysis against someone and writing at the top "Attention: if your name is VisceraEyes please skip this section because it's all about meta, which you claim holds no ground in finding mafia". I guess thinking back I cannot recall a single post he's made this game that wasn't I LOVE YOU BLAZINGHAND....
This post is just filler as well. The post is just saying "I dunno", nothing else... ...like what's the purpose of it?
He never stated why he thought marv was scum (it seems he forgot about it). He never decided to change his vote even though he said he would.
Okay I don't have time to mention other things about his play but I think this should be enough.
It seemed to me he was the obvious choice for D1 lynch but sandro/supersoft/wbg all fucked it up. If there was enough time for me to go from having 0 votes to have like 10, there was enough time for Foolishness to go from having 1 vote to be lynched, the fact that people say that "I wasted my vote voting Foolishness" with this in mind baffles me.
Like I said before I'm not too sold on syllo being scum, specially after he started being a little more active in discussions at deadline-time and this N1.
About Katina:
She's likely town in my opinion.
On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? It seems that you are throwing around doubt and trying to side track people in your first post. You post one sentence about people who are scummy such as Kurumi (which you seem to have scummy feelings towards) and Palmar. You basically posted close to nothing just a sentence maybe two on a few people. I know you all too well, those are the things you taught me to do. I know you are Mafia love cake <3
She feels confident here. I don't think she'd go against Foolishness as mafia, since she knows Foo' knows her well and would pay more attention to here if he was town or scum. She sounds like she did in Liar Game, posts little but sounds confident in her posts and doesn't really stay back when people accuse her and such.
I don't get why the hell sandro and others would instantly think she's scum just because she discredited their vote switch. Yes, that vote switch last night was awful, you can't change lynch candidates in 1 hour and expect it to work, anybody can see that. If someone thinks that's suspicious it's understandable since at first glance it is. Instantly FOSing people because of it only adds to the chaos and only serves to inflate your ego.
I'll get on to the people that jumped on my wagon. My first impressions were that Prob is town, he's too active and tries to contribute as much as he can. His case on me was wrong since he misunderstood the context of the posts, but I don't see any malign intent in his posts. I don't remember other people's reactions, but that "kay I'll sheep sandro" mentality pisses me off, since it gives people a free pass to do anything they want, and all the responsibility would just fall into sandro, specially if there was a misslynch. The worst thing is that I can see both townies (without much time like myself) and scum doing so, which gives us absolutely no information at all.
Okay, I'll go back to Can't Believe, do stuff there, then in my other game and come back. I'll have to go somewhere in 2 hours or so so expect from me later, like before the deadline or something.
Yes, these are excuses but I can't do anything else. The alternative I have is just make incomplete posts and disappear for a long time without explaining myself, which doesn't make my actions transparent at all. If the truth makes me scummy then whatever, I won't lie to you just to appear more "townie". If I'm switching my attention between games I'll state so.
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On July 19 2012 05:21 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 05:14 VisceraEyes wrote:On July 17 2012 05:56 Katina wrote:On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style:
Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts?
Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him.
And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1.
##Vote: syllogism Mafia does stupid things, Palmar does stupid things. Especially when he's Mafia or third party, your reasoning for that is "He can't be that stupid if he's Mafia". Why would you redirect the nuke at marv? I don't like the vote on syllogism right now, especially with your lack of reasoning behind it. You want to shoot Kurumi and redirect a nuke at Marv. Can you elaborate? It seems that you are throwing around doubt and trying to side track people in your first post. You post one sentence about people who are scummy such as Kurumi (which you seem to have scummy feelings towards) and Palmar. You basically posted close to nothing just a sentence maybe two on a few people. I know you all too well, those are the things you taught me to do. I know you are Mafia love cake <3 Syllo this is one post I like from Katina. I liked it too, but by this point it's outweighed by all the bad, in particular her last few posts. This just screams lazy mafia Show nested quote + I have my read on Foolishness and I will give it to you once I am 1--% percent sure of it. Right now I am only 85% sure of his alignment. She went from "knowing [foolishness] is mafia" to basically ignoring him.
I just noticed this. Hmm...that sounds odd.
Katina, what the hell did you mean by that?
I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and perhaps that was just misunderstood.
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So town has no KP both at night and at day? Does no one have a nuke or shot to spare today on Kurumi?
*sigh*
##Vote: Kurumi
@Foolishness: Will you even respond to the cases against you?
GGQ's filter is severly lacking, but I don't get the feeling he's scum from what he posted for now, albeit only slightly.
About supersoft
On July 18 2012 08:08 supersoft wrote: and I am also okay with MZ and BH. But it's too late for me to give you full reasoning for these guys lol sorry, need to sleep :D
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What about this? Why are you okay with lynching MZ and BH? You never mentioned them again.
On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote: we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then.
And what about this? Why were you defending Foolishness there? Did you think he might actually be town or something?
I think supersoft is mafia. Here's his filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=64722 Most of his posts are him responding to people, and never following up what he posts. He asks BH some stuff, he asks HiroPro some stuff...but? I don't see him acting on that pressure, even when he's active, he just seems to appear he's pressuring by asking people questions. He wants to kill MZ and syllo and never really says why. He entertains the notion that the hosts made syllo CEO because he's a vet....but nothing else, I haven't seen a single reason why syllo is scum from him.
On July 18 2012 08:08 supersoft wrote:okay time is ready for my interim findings: § 1 The good guysSadly I have to tell you that I won't be around for the lynch, so i want to make sure, i do my best to prevent you from screwing up even if i am not around to babysit the lynchprocedure. :D This leads me to my first important point: I really hope WBG and Sandroba will be around when the lynch happens, it's like 6 hours earlier in their timezone, so it will be around midnight for them (correct me if i am wrong) when the lynch happens. I really think you guys should listen to them, reasoning: these guys know how to play this game and know how to reason their decisions well. They won't attempt to do crazy shit, because if something bad happens, we can actually blame them, unlike many others, who don't make any sense at all and their failure is neither a scum, nor a towntell. Moreover both of them have been really active and I agree with most of their opinions so far. § 2 The Lynchtarget and more about the good guysNow the more important part. I think austin is a solid lynch today. I. At first some thoughts and additions to a good post: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 06:23 wherebugsgo wrote: 1. First of all, sandro's probably the laziest scum I've ever played with. Unless he's magically become so good at playing mafia, the chance of him being scum right now is next to 0.
2. I've already shown that it is in the interest of scum and not town to seek a full roleclaim from sandro. It's also obviously in the interest of mafia to kill sandro right now, and it's in the interest of mafia to undermine sandro so that the damage is minimized. The first thing is actually a thing that austin may not know. But it's simply true. Based on this knowledge the second point is extremely logic. if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer. But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit. sum-up: attacking sandro rigt now is bad play. Experience shows us that bad players =/= scum. therefor some more evidence: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=119148II. He starts of with a post discussing general stuff. Long post, no paragraphs, many ()()() this text is the exact kind of text i've seen often times from scumplayers. They feel good if they produce a big text at the start, because they feel that they need to do something. III. The screwup: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote:Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this: Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: I can msg people.
I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him On July 17 2012 06:08 sandroba wrote: Meh I think mafia is going to kill me anyway so no harm doing this.
... The repercussions of my claim is that even after mafia kills me they can't know for certain there is no other abilities like mine in the game so all their communication is no longer safe. Have fun mafia =P
so there's no harm in revealing. 1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this. What happened between this post and his meaningless policypost. Answer: he didn't follow the game in detail (scum is lazy but many townies get used to that bad habit, too) Now he felt like he needs to do something. But scumhunt as scum? Nooo: You really don't want your teammates to get lynched, so why not go for the guy who claimed and look like you're busy helping the town with this mean roleclaimer. Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote:On July 17 2012 23:38 Kurumi wrote: He is not dying, you are. So shut the hell up and lurk. Now scram. No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you? That's actually funny: he says, he's curious about the power. I believe him. What I don't believe is, that he's also curious about the alignment. Woa, while I am writing this I can now see it much clearer what bothers me about his crusade against sandroba. He doesn't say that he thinks sandroba is scum, or maybe scum. He doesn't even bring up that sandroba may be bussing kurumi. As scum that's not interesting for him. All he knows is that roleclaiming is usually considered as scummy and he sees his chance here to appear like someone who is pressuring scummy people, but he really isn't. Hah! I am pretty confident now, that austin is scum :-P IV. With his following attemps (for example to accuse GGQ) to clear the blame fail in my eyes. Accusing GGQ is easy and the motiveless effort to try to justify the attack on sandroba with this dubious speculations about the immense power of sandrobas role doesn't turn me around. § 3 The alternatives lynchShow nested quote +On July 17 2012 06:47 risk.nuke wrote: ##vote kurumi Kurumi looks pretty busted. His first response to the accusation I can't buy. Feels like a poor scum-excuse but a nonexistant townexcuse and his posts after that are aligned with what I would expect from a busted scum. Hi risk. I already pointed out that post. For someone who just realized that scum had been busted, this post is not happy enough. I want to read outbursts of rampant excitement and not this: feels like... i expect this... k... lynch. and I am also okay with MZ and BH. But it's too late for me to give you full reasoning for these guys lol sorry, need to sleep :D zzZzZZzzz
This is the only post with real "content" I could find, but it basically says things others said about austin.
Also this paragraph:
The first thing is actually a thing that austin may not know. But it's simply true. Based on this knowledge the second point is extremely logic. if you start to wifoming around someone who claimed a role and catched scum, at some point he will look suspicious in the eyes of an unexperienced mafiaplayer. But if you look at the facts, sandroba is, if he catched scum with kurumi, town MVP right now. Noone else catched scum so far. he's not confirmed whatsoever and I already pointed out, that setupwise there is still a possibility that sandroba is scum. But this possibility is the only thing what stands between his status as townMVP and confirmedtown-townMVP. The assumption that the very existance of this possibility leads to the conclusion that sandroba is scum, is just bullshit. sum-up: attacking sandro rigt now is bad play.
Seems like total fluff that can just be reduced to "sandro could be scum, but that doesn't make him scum", which again is not rocket science either and seems like pointless filler to me.
I remember him "trolling" in Bang Bang, and I know he posts one-liners and the like. However, in Bang Bang he was intent on killing and catching scum since the beginning, and if he thought someone was scum he pushed them until they died. I know since he did that to me, and later with talismania and other. Here he doesn't have that same attitude at all, he just seems intent in asking questions to some people, subtly accusing MZ/syllo/etc and just saying he wants to kill them, but never pushing them. If he actually thought MZ was scum he would have pushed for his lynch D1, not just say "kill MZ" in between joking with Kurumi and Palmar or whatever.
The only time he seemed to genuinely try to catch scum was 1 post about austin and that's it. Even then, after he came back.....he never mentions austin again.
That's not like his Bang Bang play at all, if he thought austing was scum he wouldn't have just "forgotten" about him after the NL.
Foolishness hasn't done anything to convince me he's town. He hasn't even tried to respond to the cases made against him. Even that case on BM seems pretty bad, it mostly boiled down to "BM posts a lot when town, posts less when scum. Here he's posting less, therefore he's scum". Again he's trying to use those same shitty heuristics he used to deduce Palmar was town to catch scum yet ignores other more important aspects, like motivation, behaviour, etc.
Speaking of which, I don't actually have a read on BM, although by memory he doesn't seem as scummy or inactive as in LIII
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On July 20 2012 00:13 Palmar wrote:I'm assuming most, if not all of the abilities in this game are day-based by now. I like the idea of rastaban being scum. His latest post completely misunderstanding layabout's intentions with his frustration post only reinforces that idea. I don't think there's much to discuss about foolishness. It's so ridiculously clear he's scum. BlazingHand is almost definitely town. I have no idea how and why he almost got lynched on day one. I haven't found the time to take a thorough look at the wagon that formed on him to weed out the dumb from the scum. And most of the scum is in pretty plain sight anyway. Syllogism is scum this game. I usually find him pretty easy to read and he's completely delivering this game. The only thing that's somewhat questionable is if his raging about the setup and such is genuine. Problem for him is, he has to make dumb calls as scum, which is why he's doing stuff like this: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 07:08 syllogism wrote:On July 19 2012 06:57 Palmar wrote: Assuming sandroba is town, the sender of the other message is probably scum. Now, just need to figure out who is dumb enough to send exactly that message. Assuming? Sounds off for town palmar. The rest of this post too. You have been pretty distant for someone who should consider sandroba 100% confirmed town by now and me close to that (to you). This is funny because I already clarified (in a conversation with him) my thoughts on sandroba, see here: Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 23:26 Palmar wrote: Well prove you're not. I admit, there is not much to do other than lynch kurumi at the moment, and I also know that if I'm right you've been pushed into a very uncomfortable position due to sandroba's status atm. Any judgements you make will be reviewed by sandroba who is almost guaranteed to be town.
Sandro's basically confirmed town. I know that, and syllo knows that. For those who still don't get it, the meaning of the sentence I wrote, and syllo attacked was "Given that sandroba must be town ...." not "If sandroba happens to be town .... " But syllo probably knows this anyway, which is why he finds it reasonable to attack me in this way: Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 08:21 syllogism wrote: Pretty sure palmar is mafia as well. Some of his posts are very reasonable and I even agree with the a lot of content, but his tone and attitude is off. He is also putting in as little effort as possible and basically ignoring me and sandroba despite even at one point calling sandroba confirmed town. Yes this is a very lazy "case" and he probably won't be a lynch candidate tomorrow. I'm ignoring you for the most part syllo. I don't think I'm ignoring sandroba. Although I did miss most of yesterday in the thread. Gonzaw is scum too. If anyone doubts it, I had the unpleasant experience of playing against him when he was town in a recent mafia game. I was mafia that game. His style was completely different in that game, focused and really scary. I'm not seeing any of the aggressiveness that was really annoying to deal with. Either I'm completely blinded by not being mafia, or he's posting in a different way this game. He's for the most part been a non-factor this game. Here's his town filter, for easy comparison: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=237527Compare that to this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=237527The language is different, the content is different. He's scum. Let's carry on BM is scum, just murder him. VE/Sandroba/Marvel/layabout/prob/Blazinghand etc are town, for various reasons. I need to run will write more. Not like we have much more to say for today.
Yeah, I had the pleasure of having lots of free time in that game. As I did on Liar Game as well (lots of free time actually >_> ).
What do you mean by:
The content is different
?? I don't get it, is this really your case against me Palmar? Maybe I should ignore it like I did in iGrok's game.
What do you think of supersoft?
The case on rastaban does seem good though, I'll check him later when I have more time.
On July 20 2012 06:18 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 06:13 Blazinghand wrote: austinmcc you still think Zealos is scum though right?
Less scummy than GGQ, but yeah. To me, GGQ is scum, and that read seems unlikely to change. Zealos is scummy, but with a possibility of that read changing? They're entering the game with different experience, and so even though they're both contributing about equally this game, I'm getting slightly different levels of scumread on them.
Wait this post seems scummy as fuck. You are "getting slightly different levels of scumread from them"? "Zealos is scummy but with a possibility of that read changing"? What is exactly your read on Zealos?
Pre-Edit: lol so sandro confirmed Zealos as scum too? Damn sandro you make this game too easy.
I'd like more opinions on my case on supersoft though, I've only seen marv and few people comment on it yet.
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On July 20 2012 07:45 supersoft wrote: "I'd like more opinions on my case on supersoft though, I've only seen marv and few people comment on it yet."
because it's a terrible case lol.
Ehmm no it's not.
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Zealos is scum, I can't see him just completely ignoring the whole sandro-Kurumi deal. Like...it's impossible. Kurumi being "confirmed scum" has been talked about like every single page, it's impossible for him not to look at those posts and say to himself "Hmm, why is Kurumi confirmed scum? Maybe I missed something". Zealos was very derpy in MTG Mini Mafia, but not like this.
I don't see why we can't talk about a Zealos lynch or how that "creates chaos" or anything....since this is a lynch, and apparently it's the ONLY way we can kill scum if we have no Town KP, discussing who to lynch is not bad at all. However if both are mafia there's no need to risk a NL by having votes pile on Zealos. Considering town's non-commital to lynch on D1 it's bound to happen again, specially with 2 candidates everyone wants to lynch but won't be sure who to lynch first.
I changed my mind about austin, he's likely scum as well.
On July 18 2012 10:16 austinmcc wrote:I'd prefer to vote for GGQ (or Sandro), but those aren't lynch options. Gonzaw looks like the candidate on the block now, and I'm okay with a gonzaw vote Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 04:17 gonzaw wrote: @Palmar: Could you post why you think me, GGQ and others are scum? I agree about syllo and Foo, but that's not news at all.
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I haven't read MZ, GGQ, austin, and other's but I will after I come home in a few hours. Besides the other stuff that's been mentioned, here's Gonzaw giving some specific filters that he's going to read. Gonzaw comes back from reading those with: Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 08:31 gonzaw wrote: About austin:
I don't get why he's obsessing so much with sandro's role. I'd understand having that first suspicion if he actually believed something was wrong (like in that post I mentioned), but he spent posts and posts and posts dealing with sandro's claim and ability and it clogged up the thread too much. I don't get why he'd do that as town, specially since his doubts of sandro's claim were dealt with by other people, he didn't need to keep cluttering things up with it. There are little things that don't make me confident in him being scum, like some of the confidence he seems to have in his posts, and the fact that he "overposts" like this as town. I'm not that confident in lynching him, but I think he has more chances of flipping scum than BH.
##Unvote: Foolishness ##Vote: austin
I don't see MZ being scum after skimming his filter. Damn I don't have much time for this, this game is huge :/ After I come back from the gym I'll post more thoroughly
So he skimmed MZ, finds him townie. Looked at my filter, had mixed feelings, but still voted me. It feels a little off to me that he doesn't mention GGQ, the third player he was going to look at. If GGQ is such an easy target, why not add GGQ? Why not mention you found him scummy? Does Gonzaw have feelings so mixed on GGQ that he looks better than me? That's a little hard for me to believe. I'm know I'm a topic of conversation at this point, but he still finds time to mention that he read MZ and give his read on MZ. Sort of makes it seem like he didn't read. It ain't much, but it's something that stuck out to me beyond me just saying "I like non-austin targets, sheeping dat vote" ##vote: Gonzaw
His vote on me is a joke. It basically boils down to "gonzaw didn't talk about GGQ, therefore he's scum". The bolded bits are just pointless speculation about "why" I could have not mention GGQ (he also seems to imply I would have found him scummy...?). Why does me not talking about GGQ make me scum? Like, why would you believe those words you said? Had you just said "I agree with Prob's case" or something then it may have been fine, but you ignore Prob's case, specially if you say this:
Gonzaw looks like the candidate on the block now, and I'm okay with a gonzaw vote
It looks like he saw I was likely to get lynched so he just used whatever bullshit reason to justify his vote without saying "I'm sheeping Prob/sandro" so it looked like he made a contribution by himself.
It ain't much, but it's something that stuck out to me beyond me just saying "I like non-austin targets, sheeping dat vote"
This seems like confirmation of that above.
GGQ has like 5 or so posts yes, yet I don't see how austin keeps posting so much about him. He was killed in Can't Believe so he should be free to play in this game, but his activity didn't seem to rise or anything. That post I mentioned before is pretty scummy, specially in hindisight of Zealos being outted as scum as well.
Now that I looked at it, I'm not sure rastaban is mafia. I get a gut feeling he's posting like Bang Bang, and he seems kind of interested in some of the discussions he's part of.
+ Show Spoiler [Something off-topic] +On July 18 2012 04:54 rastaban wrote: ... Kurumi confirmed she received the PM...
Wut Kurumi is a chick? O_o
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Hey Prob, I didn't see you talk about me at all since N1. Do you still think I'm mafia?
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On July 20 2012 11:45 Chezinu wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2012 11:44 gonzaw wrote: Hey Prob, I didn't see you talk about me at all since N1. Do you still think I'm mafia? Shh, be quite... Prob is going through a tough time right now.. He tried laughing it off.. but deep down, he is r scared!
lol wat
I take it you mean Prob is mafia? Meh, don't see him as mafia personally, specially taking into account his D1 play, and seems to interact with people and shit. Don't know how he plays as mafia though, the only game where he was scum I remember was that Newbie one he hydra'd with Jitsu. Prob, you still have your past games in your profile right?
Anyways, thank god this game is going slow because I think my mind would have exploded otherwise.
I don't see anyone commenting on supersoft, *sigh* might as well try later on when people stop being lazy.
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Wait, so now sandroba is mafia?
Like...wasn't there a 10 page discussion about this when austin first mentioned that possibility?
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On July 19 2012 19:32 Bill Murray wrote: i also get to steal peoples thread actions when i take their vote mattchew and meapak didnt have any for me to use i wanted to use meapak's in case kurumi was nukin him and he was going to die with a power/use it improperly, under the assumption the 2nd nuke was real, but i guess it wasn't
yo foolishness is this anti town enough for you dawg
BM, do you steal someone's "complete" ability or only abilities that require to post something in the thread (like nukes, blocks, etc)? You didn't make that clear.
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This seems like pointless discussion at least for now.
We won't lynch sandro today, and most of this speculation is based on "whether he'll message more people or not" from now on. Just wait until N2 to see if he can message more people and that question will be fucking answered, no need to make this game 116 pages long by now.
I take it sandro can message someone on this very D2 right? He said he can message every 1/2 cycle, and he already messaged on D1 and N1. sandro, you should message someone this day and confirm that (whether it's by "catching more scum" like you did or by messaging a townie who confirms you messaged him)
I'm still waiting to hear what BM's power is, since he specifically said he controls "thread actions", and sandro's power doesn't seem like a "thread action" at all.
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On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote: Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged?
Who forged a PM? The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts.
If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim.
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On July 21 2012 06:55 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 21 2012 06:48 gonzaw wrote:On July 21 2012 06:45 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:41 austinmcc wrote:On July 21 2012 06:36 Kurumi wrote:On July 21 2012 06:31 austinmcc wrote: Guh, I'm now involved in another pointless discussion. Here's the root of it all:
We don't know nearly as much as we keep assuming we do.
We jump to conclusions about Kurumi's alignment, Sandroba's power, what powers exist and don't, blah blah blah. Then we spend time and pages arguing about the conclusions that we've jumped to.
Frankly, Foolishness looks townie to me for pointing out how much energy we've spent discussing D3 lynch targets and other crap. He made some good points today that he didn't spend 8 hours debating back and forth, just dropped them and left. I said the same before Foolishness! Why are you voting me? Null tell at best. Nobody's claimed that they sent foolishness a message with orders which Foolishness followed. Tell me, if someone were to forge a pm and we'd get into crossfire of who's lying and who's not, who'd you lynch first? The Messenger or The Messenged? Who forged a PM? The only way that has any bearing is if NOBODY claims they sent that PM in a massclaim or sorts. If messages like the one wbg and other people received are never claimed (i.e the sender never claims he sent that message) then you can't lynch anybody until they do since you don't know shit, and that message could have easily been sent by a minion with similar powers for instance who decided not to claim. Person A does not receive a message. Person B claims to have messages him/her. Forges a PM, with whatever inside. Who would you kill first? The Sender or The Receiver?
When will that ever happen? sandro's "plans" hinged on the people he messaged to claim before he claimed he sent the message
You mean if sandro is scum, doesn't have any more "PMs" and lies about it?
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Since I doubt any more scum will fall for that trick again (and will instantly post a message they receive from sandro) I'd be more inclined to believe sandro lied. Depending on who he messaged though
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I can't believe it Which townie follows orders from a scum message? *sigh*
I'll repost these since apparently some people forgot about them:
Case on Foolishness: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=73#1457 Case on supersoft: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=83#1650 Case on austin: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=99#1978
I'm ok with a lynch on any of them.
About Zealos:
Well fuck, if Kurumi could be so bad as town, could Zealos be that dumb townie as well?
Hmm, well, actually he didn't show up at all on D2 to explain anything, he just posted those "lol I'm dumb posts" and disappeared, so maybe the "check" on him is legit. At least Kurumi posted something.
Meh, I have a lot of filters to read this night. There are some little things that don't make me confident in Katina being town, most specifically her coming to the thread sporadically shitting on everybody that "town is in chaos", defending herself but not doing anything else. I'll read her filter later.
Can't Believe ended, so I'll have more time for this game (finally). My other UG game hasn't ended yet, but it will soon, so stay tuned.
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Oh, just remembered. Tomorrow I'm going away for the weekend. I'll be gone for like 1 day. Thank god it's night, if not I could get modkilled or something
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lol when I saw Foo' flip CEO it made my day :D I was very surprised about BH though, I really thought he was town.
About sloosh/supersoft: I don't see any reason for sloosh to fake-claim he shot Foo' as scum if he wasn't the one that actually shot him. I don't really see a reason for supersoft to fake-claim that either, unless he wanted to push a misslynch on sloosh. We need to be sure about it, supersoft has been acting shady all game and this "contradiction" here doesn't sit well with me. Can both of you get confirmation that vigs waste their bullets if they shoot the same target? If there is scum between them he'll have to fake that info, and depending on what they claims we can get a confirmed scum between them. I don't really see the "I can only shoot 1.5 cycles after scum aren't dead" thing suspicious...since it's too odd to claim as scum. Wouldn't it just be better for him to fake-claim regular vig as scum? Or a vig that can only start shooting from N2 onwards or something? Claiming something weird like that will only catch attention, as will fake-claiming that vig shot from the get-go.
On July 22 2012 09:25 Katina wrote: Okay, went through some filters and found a few people who I think are Mafia.
Gonzaw: I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it. Instead Gonzaw often goes off and comes back eventually posts something then gone again. He talks a lot about other players in the game but never hard pushes anyone. Gonzaw makes long posts that basically ramble on certain player and by the end I have forgotten what I have read. He tries to look useful with his posts but in the end they are just taking up space. He throws doubt around the town and takes off when he has done his job. I'm aware that he said he was away this weekend and can't be here to properly defend himself.
Layabout: He has two pages of filter as well. I think he is Mafia, something erks me about his filter this game. He mentions gonzaw early on and casts a vote on him for close to no reason. He didn't push his read on gonzaw and doesn't say anything about him after that. Instead he shifts his attention onto other people liks (Palmar, Kurumi, etc) and casts his vote on Kurumi. Now he's on Zealos. It seems that he is just going with the flow.
Meapak: Picks on easy targets for the most part. The only one he hard pushs is rastaban who hasn't been too active this game. He makes for an easy target. Meapak continues to push rastaban when it's clear that no one is going to go for it. His Mafia list is pretty meh, As I said the only hard read he has been pushing is rastaban to try and make it look like he's scum hunting so he doesn't draw too much suspicion.
risk.nuke: Doesn't have much in his filter. He starts off by agreeing with BH in the begining but then turns on him when BH starts taking fire. He sheep's along with bugs on his case against austin and jumps on board with Kurumi. The only case he has posted has been on BH, then he never follows up with it. Instead he goes on to post about me and Zealos being Mafia because he aren't suspicious of each other. He hasn't contributed anything useful to the town and doesn't seem to care that much.
Did you read the thread Katina? I already explained why I was posting like that on D1. Some of the things you say don't make sense, you accuse me of things (I didn't do) when you've done them yourself. Here:
I noticed that in the two pages of his filter he complains a lot about the how much chaos is in the thread but yet he does nothing about it I didn't complain there was "much chaos"; I complained there was a lot to read and didn't have time to do it (albeit you could make the case "much to read"=="spam"=="chaos", but that's not what I was pointing out at the time).
Also, the thing you accuse ME of doing is the EXACT SAME THING you have been doing this game:
On July 18 2012 06:44 Katina wrote: Geez, the thread is all over the place and so are the votes. Instead of focusing on one person to lynch there are several people being pushed for today's lynch.
There is no way there will be a Foolishness or a Sandroba lynch today. Syllogism, or Blazinghand is most likely at this point maybe Austin (depends on everyone else) Since WBG is pushing him pretty hard right now. Kurumi is getting nuked so that's a done deal. I feel like lots of people are trying to throw doubt around last minute here. Once night hits these people should be looked at (EX: austin, marv)
Right now both Syllogism and Blazinghand is near the top of my suspicion list and these two are the main candidates for lynch today. Blazinghand hasn't been around in for a bit while Syllogism has been here trying to defend himself and push his suspicions of Foolishness (Who is also scummy to me) I would like to give Syllo another day and see what happens. So I will be voting for Blazhinghand today. I'm sure enough about austin yet to consider him a lynch candidate today I will wait and see what happens later on.
##Unvote Kurumi ##Vote Blazinghand
Depending on his flip and who dies during the night hopefully we will have a more organized D2.
On July 19 2012 02:13 Katina wrote: A no lynch huh? That's really pathetic town.
Syllogism don't you think to go after me and say I don't care because I wasn't around at lynch time. That says absolutely nothing about my alignment. You have done nothing but gone after people who think you are Mafia.
Within the last 8 hours people were bringing up random cases about numerous people for example:
WBG: brought in his case about austin. Really bugs? You should know better than that. Your behavoir has caused me to think you are Mafia. All the other games I have played in with you when it comes to lynch time you settle on a certain person and are incredibly stubborn to change your mind especially when theres risk of a no- lynch (I can vouch for this since I have tried numerous times to get you off my back and you didn't budge) Your votes were all over the place instead of trying to take charge and keep the thread focused like you usually do when you are town.
BM: You have been pretty absent for most of D1 then you come in before the lynch and try to stir things up even more (I didn't think that was even possible) You basically sheeped everyone, your votes moved all over the place as well between gonzaw and BH. I can't get a read on you because of your blatant lack of posting (until right before the deadline)
sandroba: I can say the same about you that I said to WBG. You switched your votes around so much as well and you really should know better. From what I know about your play is when you think someone is Mafia you are deadset on killing them. Much like bugs when he's town. You have accused probably 8 people this game of being Mafia D1.... That's not like you.
Mattchew: I will be post a case on you later. I'm pretty sure that you are Mafia. I still think Palmar is Mafia as well.
BH: I don't know why people are so wishy - washy about him. He's pretty scummy in his play. He never freaks out this much when he's about to die except when he's Mafia.
On July 19 2012 02:59 Katina wrote: Syllogism you are making close to no sense right now. I have my read on Foolishness and I will give it to you once I am 1--% percent sure of it. Right now I am only 85% sure of his alignment.
This whole thread has been basically nit picking and calling each other out on stupid things instead of working as an actual town and killing the Mafia like it should be. I thought this was a game for "skilled" people not a game for little bitchy whiners.
On July 20 2012 11:10 Katina wrote: This thread is so messy it's not even funny. Here's what needs to happen:
Keep your votes on Kurumi. We are not going to spend the last day bringing up new candidates (Like Zealos) and throw the thread into complete chaos again then end up with another no lynch. There's hard evidence on Kurumi right now, let's not forget that. We will see what his flip is then go from therw. When D3 hits THEN will we start voting for other people who are Mafia. (Mattchew, Palmar, Foolishness, Blazinghand, etc)
There has been roughly ten pages since I looked at the thread this morning and all the content in those pages say close to nothing about anything. It's all a bunch of derp and twerp that is continuing to keep the thread horrible cluttered and disorganized. I'm surprised to see that the veteran players (who are usually good at keep direction for the town) are sitting around doing nothing or contributing to the chaos as well. If this continues then this game will be fast and resulting in a for sure Mafia victory.
Every time ever since D1 you make a post getting angry about how much "chaos and confusion" there is in town, yet you are the one that does nothing about it. You just complained, yet the only thing you did was post useless lists about "people that need to die" that serve no purpose, and accuse people over and over and over. Every post of yours is just "we need to kill Foolishnesh" or "we need to kill BH". Yes, Katina is scum, the more I read her filter the more I'm convinced about it. When she's active she doesn't participate in any discussion. Every time she posts she's aggressive against someone, and restates reads she had long ago and doesn't add anything new.
Katina keeps posting these lists of "people that need to die" that don't add anything new, specially since they are constantly changing and she doesn't really explain why she changes them at all.
+ Show Spoiler +On July 18 2012 09:26 Katina wrote: bugs, you should really know better than to try to switch the vote train off of two people who were discussed at in length. You have caused a shitstorm now, and the votes aren't any better than they were 24 hours ago. The people voting for austin at this point:
supersoft wherebugsgo Bill Murray sandroba syllogism risk.nuke gonzaw
Looks like a pretty good mafia list. I wouldn't mind 4 or 5 of you dying. On July 19 2012 12:20 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2012 10:21 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I have had my vote stolen for the entire cycle.
Also I really don't like the idea of not killing kurumi today. The last thing we need to do is give up an easy scum kill. It doesn't matter if your vote was stolen, just vote. Why would we give up an easy kill? It will narrow down the scum count, that's what we need to win as town. If Kurumi doesn't die people are just going to derp around and be unfocused because he IS still alive. With him dead that's one less distraction and we can focus on the other scum such as: Mattchew Foolishness Palmar Blazinghand Syllogism Bill Murrary On July 22 2012 04:29 Katina wrote: Lynch those who are scummy. Don't worry about lynching the executives right now. We haven't killed one Mafia yet. Our focus needs to be on that right now. Not making speculations and picking someone we think "could be" a executive. I would imagine that all the minions have the powers anyway since executives have the authority to communicate messages. Wouldn't make sense for them to have anymore powers.
We need to lynch into this group:
Foolishness Palmar Mattchew Blazinghand Syllogism BM All these players are playing poorly this game and aren't playing according to their town Meta's in previous games. All these people are normally focused and organized when they scum hunt. (BM aside) There's gaurenteed Mafia in there, I'm certain of it. Again, don't worry about the executives. Just lynch Mafia, that's all that matters. There's too much worry about the messages being sent amongest the Mafia. As I have said before there is no way to know who's what on the chain of command. So it's pointless and a distraction to be worrying about this. On July 22 2012 09:33 Katina wrote: I doubt Palmar is an executive, he has been lazy this game. He has to make some big posts to keep suspicion off of him. He's most likely a minion but it really doesn't matter. The CEO is dead. All that is left is to pick the others off. Here's my list now after looking over some filters.
Palmar Blazinghand Meapkak risk.nuke Layabout gonzaw Possibly Mattchew (I can't tell if he's scum or just playing really badly this game)
She never explained why syllo and BM are not suddenly on her "to-kill" list, and every time she makes a "case" against someone new and adds them to the list, thinking that's the only thing she has to do to contribute and "prevent town chaos".
I don't think a town Katina would act like this at all. She's just throwing suspicions around every time she posts ignoring everything else that's happening, which actually adds to the chaos she herself keeps "complaining" about in 80% of her posts. Pre-Edit:
On July 23 2012 09:13 Katina wrote: I don't think I believe sloosh's claim. He doesn't say much all game then comes in when foolishness dies and claims he killed him. I'm more inclined to believe supersoft. sloosh made it on my Mafia list. I think VE is probably town and Mattchew might be as well just extremely misguided same goes for rastaban. Palmar needs to be lynched today then one of the following next:
Sloosh Meapak Gonzaw Layabout risk.nuke Really? Another list?
About Palmar: I don't agree with this lynch at all. This lynch is based on him "being Executive because of balance issues" and because "Foo defended him without reason".
I also Palmar is most likely town.
Here is his filter this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=87086 Here is his filter from iGrok's game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341558&user=87086
In iGrok's game he did stay to his "town aggressive Palmar" game on D1, but however as you can see from D2 onwards he stopped giving a shit about the game and just trolled from then on. I don't see that this game. In D2 he even started to be active and give his reads and reasoning behind them, even more so than in D1, and that's not how scum Palmar plays, he's putting much more effort this game than when he's scum.
About Zealos: He's scum as well. He hasn't contributed AT ALL ever since D2. His few posts ever since have just been "hi I'm not scum" and nothing else.
On July 22 2012 04:43 Zealos wrote:Well, that was weird. As far as I can see, I'd like a BH lynch. It's almost as if he claimed scum earlier, as VE mentioned, Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 04:35 Blazinghand wrote: I mean, if our thought is "sandro can't be trusted" I'd see why we're not lynching Zealos, but... we're also not lynching sandro? It just seems to me that between Sandro, Zealos, and Palmar we should totally be able to find a non-me lynch today and he's very happy to just push hard on the easy target so far. As for me - I'm not mafia, deal with it.
On July 22 2012 23:33 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2012 12:05 rastaban wrote:On July 22 2012 11:54 HiroPro wrote: BTW guys, notice the awesome role that Zealos claimed (along with the whole nonsense he had with his reads and the sandroba PM that he failed to bring to the thread)? It should be almost certain that he is mafia at this point. Who was it, VE I think, who even said Vt would be enough. Over compensation. Lynch Zealos You mean because BH had a fakeclaim of vanilla town!?! What a shocking surprise. He wanted my role, so I have it to him. Even if I have been useless thus far, the evidence for me as a mafia player is pretty poor. Only two posts he made since then and they are completely useless He was outed by sandro on D2 as well, yet it seems everybody ignores that
I'm down with a Katina, austin or Zealos lynch right now, I'm not too sure on supersoft (because of the claim) until we can confirm their claims. I'd like people's thoughts on Katina and austin before voting. Actually fuck it, here:
##Vote: Zealos
If anybody is "confirmed scum" by now it's him. I'll change my vote to consolidate later on austin/Katina/etc if necessary
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