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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 24 2012 22:27 GMT
#3145
Nah I sound like zentor, risk sounds like sinani206
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 00:49 GMT
#3209
VE how long is a fair amount of time
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 00:55 GMT
#3220
On July 25 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Twice in two pages Mattchew. Considering the amount you're posting, that's an eternity.

So 2 outta my ~150 posts?... And it was for about an hour before I realized how rash I was being and how my logic was wrong...
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 01:07 GMT
#3223
On July 25 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 09:55 Mattchew wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Twice in two pages Mattchew. Considering the amount you're posting, that's an eternity.

So 2 outta my ~150 posts?... And it was for about an hour before I realized how rash I was being and how my logic was wrong...


What part of "completely gut" did you misunderstand sir? If you're innocent then just trust that you're not on my red list for a reason.

meh i just don't like that you think I am a good lynch tomorrow even when you name 5 scum in bold red
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 01:15 GMT
#3227
On July 25 2012 10:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 10:07 Mattchew wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:55 Mattchew wrote:
On July 25 2012 09:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Twice in two pages Mattchew. Considering the amount you're posting, that's an eternity.

So 2 outta my ~150 posts?... And it was for about an hour before I realized how rash I was being and how my logic was wrong...


What part of "completely gut" did you misunderstand sir? If you're innocent then just trust that you're not on my red list for a reason.

meh i just don't like that you think I am a good lynch tomorrow even when you name 5 scum in bold red


At the risk of sounding like a douche....that's really scummy of you sir.

At the risk of sounding like a douche, I meant that it isn't smart of you, to leave stupid townies and eager scum a reason to mislynch a townie wah wah waaaaaah ;P
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 02:16 GMT
#3245
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 02:23 GMT
#3247
This is a fucking stupid dance. Lynch MZ cause you VE supersoft and syllo (and myself) all agree he is scum. This doesn't have to be some stare down between you and VE...
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 04:04 GMT
#3259
On July 25 2012 13:01 Probulous wrote:
Fuck it

## lynch layabout

Do you want reasons or are you just happy to let me take the responsibility for his flip?

interesting
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 04:05 GMT
#3261
I want to know why you picked him over others
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 05:14 GMT
#3274
On July 25 2012 14:13 supersoft wrote:
okay I read layabout now. And I honestly wouldn't have killed him. I fail to see why he's scummier than sloosh or MZ.
I admit, that my first stage, second stage and thirdstage post was a mistake. I just wanted to give you a rough image...
No let's hope the best.
He'll flip soon right?

that depends on mods
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 05:48 GMT
#3286
On July 25 2012 14:47 Probulous wrote:
Hmm interesting.

A dud nuke for scum, maybe there might be a scum nuke out there after all. But why haven't scum used it yet?

how could they without being rash and scummy. just look at kurumi
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:18 GMT
#3295
##vote Chezinu

if we are going to test this theory on someone, it might as well be the least useful of those we are trying to test it on (and the one with a direct town-flipped counterpart)
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:31 GMT
#3302
On July 25 2012 15:25 Probulous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 15:18 Mattchew wrote:
##vote Chezinu

if we are going to test this theory on someone, it might as well be the least useful of those we are trying to test it on (and the one with a direct town-flipped counterpart)


This is downright stupid.

Think about it, we have two confirmed mirror roles. What does a third do? If you think Chez is scum because of his actions, then post a case, but lynching him because we want to test the mirror role thing is scummy as all hell. It has been "tested" and twice it has been found to be true. So if you accept that it is true that every role has a mirror than you can push Chez based on your belief but not to "test" it.

So we aren't in a position where we can test a theory that nets us 2 scum?

However, VE I have no seen a mirror to BM's role.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:35 GMT
#3306
On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote:
we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh.

This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke.

nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:39 GMT
#3310
On July 25 2012 15:36 Probulous wrote:
Matt, hasn't it been tested already?

What exactly does another flip tell us that the previous ones haven't? It's a really bad reason to lynch someone.

@Meapak

Why did Zealos leave out the first line from sandroba's PM? I just don't understand how his reaction to sandroba makes him scum. Either he deliberately chose to remove that line and not respond to sandroba in thread, or he is dumb and wasn't reading.

Wait a second, maybe he expected Sandroba to die that night alleviating him of the need to post the PM? But that doesn't explain why he left out the first line. I don't get it, can someone explain to me?

I mean if it aint broke don't fix it type shit... but the problem is supersoft brings up a good point with chezinu+sand = 2execs so we would have to lynch into scum between you and VE and I don't feel comfortable doing that
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:40 GMT
#3311
On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:
On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote:
we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh.

This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke.

nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol

Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness.

Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs.

uh, double stack?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:44 GMT
#3315
On July 25 2012 15:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
TBH I don't think the game was designed for 4 consecutive scum lynches and 2 D1 nuclear launches...but I mean, your guess is as good as mine.

no one else has had their vote stolen. So BM's role hasn't been mirror'd.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 06:53 GMT
#3319
On July 25 2012 15:49 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2012 15:40 Mattchew wrote:
On July 25 2012 15:38 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2012 15:35 Mattchew wrote:
On July 25 2012 15:33 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On July 25 2012 15:30 supersoft wrote:
we have also me. I am towndreamflower. But we also should have 2 executives, so we could have 2 messenger roles in our team. And so far we have no counterpart to sloosh.

This is a good point, if the mirror theory holds true then sloosh is probably the mafia nuke.

nah sloosh/supersoft would be the mafia vig, who actually shot foolishness lol

Only one of them can have actually killed foolishness.

Here's my biggest problem with the mirror theory. There are 4 scum left, 2 are execs. That only leaves 2 other possible minions with roles. The mirror theory simply doesn't hold up since we know there are more than 2 townies with PRs.

uh, double stack?

I would have thought the minions would have been warned off of shooting foolishness given how easy it would have been for someone to shoot foolishness and get away with it had he been town. I can understand the rational behind a mafia vig shooting foolishness which is exactly why I'd expect him to have warned people against it.

The more I think about it though, it doesn't matter either way since sloosh is scum no matter which way you slice it according to the mirror theory. Unless you think supersoft could be scum but I doubt it.

it depends on how often execs can speak with their minions and how much info they disclosed. But shooting the guy basically everyone thought was scum is a good way to earn town cred. idk why sloosh/super would fakeclaim that shot knowing he would be counter-claimed
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 14:03 GMT
#3384
##unvote
##vote MZ



There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 25 2012 15:44 GMT
#3403
I am uncomfortable lynching gonzaw.

Syllo I feel the crux of your case is how wrong he has been. If you have time please read him in I Can't Believe It's Not Themed. This post by WBG is about how wrong he with his reads in that game. Also, when he did vote for scum day 2 + Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2012 11:47 gonzaw wrote:
Fuck it I doubt I'll change my mind about talismania.

##Vote: talismania

Just wanted to get the vote out there for a more "official" standing of what I said before.

, I find his tone to be on par with that game. If you can show me how he is different from that game to this one I will vote gonzaw, but right now I am seeing a very similar gonzaw push to the one I did on him as scum
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