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Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 01:21 GMT
#1953
Yeah, I just used a similar tactic in my other game in a post (i just died as scum) so it jumped out at me
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 04:12 GMT
#2006
On July 20 2012 12:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 11:00 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know).


Yourself?


I missed this post. <3

I was literally talking about myself.

I just read through bugs' filter. Nothing groundbreaking (cause most of his final scum list are still on the hotseat + Show Spoiler +
On July 19 2012 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
That seems like a message Foolishness would send me. He's probably scum. The other possibility is Chezinu or someone who wants me to think Foolishness sent me that message.

As for scum given how blatant their behavior seems I think the simplest route is to kill the confirmed ones first and then the scumreads that multiple people agree upon.

Right now ignoring Zealos and Kurumi that looks like:

Foolishness
GGQ
Meapak
Layabout

And potentially:
Katina

These are among my strongest reads as I've gone back and reexamined things. I was likely wrong about both BH and Austin (or they've been given ample warning into changing their play -_-).

I personally would also consider killing BM and Qbert because they're useless, but all of the named above are likelier to flip scum IMO (katina included; I lean scum but not confident)
).. I do find that he was extremely townie in his posts trying to figure everything out re-focusing and re-thinking reads. I think its more than likely he was killed because of this. There was also this post about how scum are forced to scum hunt (+ Show Spoiler +
On July 17 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 10:35 marvellosity wrote:
On July 17 2012 10:34 wherebugsgo wrote:
On July 17 2012 10:31 marvellosity wrote:
bugs: - eh... i keep deleting :p

you're obviously not particularly confident in your read on him if you wrote what you wrote anyway. if you're fairly confident he's scum then you have no reason to believe he wouldn't try to mislead town if he lived.

aren't you really saying you think he's scummy but you wanna give him a 2nd chance?


read again.

LAYABOUT IS SCUMMIER.


yeah i got that. putting something in caps that you already said doesn't make it go in my head twice.

I'm not asking why you don't want to lynch him today, I'm questioning your line of thinking that someone you believe to be scum would help us find scum.


oh, that's simple.

This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated.

Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates.

When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment.

If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him.
) that I have kept in the back on my mind throughout this game.


If you look at the playerlist, and were to do a tier by tier of players, I would say of the most dangerous to scum echelon(+ Show Spoiler +
this is imo
foolishness
sandroba
VE
WBG
syllogism
palmar
)
, he was one of the (if not THE) most likely to not get lynched. Also, no one knows if there are any doc life saving roles in the game, which could explain why sandro is alive


I also looked for breadcrumbs about his judge/pardoner role but couldn't find anything
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 06:08 GMT
#2083
Too add, in light of recent events, it is a little sketchy that sandroba says
On July 20 2012 07:35 sandroba wrote:
Oh forgot to add that I can pm every 1/2 cycle. So I might have pm'ed YOU already and if you don't reveal in thread I will know YOU are scum. Have a nice day.

and then picks zealos (replaced in, had under a page of filter) to PM.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 06:25 GMT
#2093
VE another point about wbg is that he was pushing people to sheep/listen to sandroba
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 18:09 GMT
#2210
Sandroba, what was your reasoning behind picking Zealos?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 18:36 GMT
#2225
On July 21 2012 03:09 Mattchew wrote:
Sandroba, what was your reasoning behind picking Zealos?

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:32 GMT
#2255
On July 20 2012 14:16 Chezinu wrote:
hmmm 3 executives that can message...3 workers in the department of communication for town..
1 mafia nuker... 1 dud nuker town...


so.. 1 town Judge (pardoner) ... one mafia..... oh noes!!@! kurumi might not die!


but then there is the ninja mind controlling vote stealing thief...

Who is a politician (which would poetically be the scum opposite of a judge (WBG)
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:33 GMT
#2256
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:35 GMT
#2259
Chez do you like my plan for tomorrow?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:49 GMT
#2268
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 20:57 GMT
#2273
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 21:02 GMT
#2276
On July 21 2012 05:57 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:57 Mattchew wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:55 HiroPro wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec


How are you so sure BM is town, mattchew?

not, but what does his alignment have to do with this?


If BM was unable to do this, I would think that the more likely conclusion is that he is lying, not that sandroba is an exec.

well he can steal votes, he already proved that
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 21:31 GMT
#2301
On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:
So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba?
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost

Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu

On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.

So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.

Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah

For those keeping score at home

Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

maybe chez?


On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?

I thought he was claiming scum in the thread, which I think he was to try and bait a town shot as he said he was trying to get killed by town or scum to reveal some sort of truth.
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 21:32 GMT
#2304
On July 21 2012 06:28 HiroPro wrote:
So Matt what made you go from considering/including Chezinu on your scum lists to considering Chezinu town and using the logic of "can't have 2 people with the ability to PM anyone" to make your read on sandroba?
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 19 2012 00:01 Mattchew wrote:
If I could have one wish, it would be to see these people dead in the upcoming daypost

Kurumi - sandroba out'd scum
Katina - read my filter
Meapak_Ziphh - Prob pointed out how timid and passive he was posting
Rastaban - Literally just looking out for himself
Foolishness - this is not the play of someone that has been voted the best scum hunter on TL
Bill Murray
Chezinu

On July 20 2012 01:32 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2012 01:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes that post never came. After composing some of it and it being built up so by Probulous, I reread it and realized that most of it was stuff that had been mentioned or was drawing connections between people that didn't happen.

So yeah, everyone can exhale - that post of "interesting things on reread" isn't coming. My reads post is gonna have to suffice. WAH WAH WAAAAAAH.

Cool your scum too.... this is not that hard... woulda covered your tracks better without the wah wah waaaaaah

For those keeping score at home

Scum =
Foolishness
Kurumi
VE
Rastaban
Katina
MZ

maybe chez?


On July 21 2012 05:49 Mattchew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2012 05:40 syllogism wrote:
On July 21 2012 05:33 Mattchew wrote:
Hey Bill Murray, Please steal Sandroba's vote tomorrow and PM me with his powers.

If BM can't do this Sandroba is the exec

Why are you encouraging him to waste sandroba's power? There is 0% chance that sandroba is mafia and we shouldn't waste his power just because you don't feel like reading the thread and thinking whether his actions possibly make any sense at all for mafia doesn't mean. Even disregarding that, if kurumi flips mafia, he is basically confirmed town or at least confirmed enough that we don't have to waste his power to confirm him. If kurumi flips town, he is confirmed non-executive because they don't have a power besides the ability to message minions.

Really? 2 players with the ability to PM anyone? Do you think Chezinu is scum or do you think they are both town?

Did you read Chez and VE's back and forth from like 14 hours ago?
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 23:03 GMT
#2357
On July 21 2012 08:01 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 16:07 Protactinium wrote:
Extra Information:
The mafia kill process goes like this:
Every day, all mafia members except for the CEO send in a name on who they wish to kill. Then, the CEO must choose to kill one player on the list by the night deadline.


he was talking about the process if the CEO dies, which is not mentioned there
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 20 2012 23:59 GMT
#2380
VE can you do me the favor of comparing MTG Mafia mini to Katina's this game
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 21 2012 14:01 GMT
#2457
On July 21 2012 20:43 marvellosity wrote:
I'm not sure I understand this game at all

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 21 2012 19:53 GMT
#2511
As of this very moment I will be voting between katina rastaban and foolishness tomorrow
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 22 2012 23:35 GMT
#2709
what do you all make of foolishness's opinions on katina? How about sandrobas? How about your own... I am posting from my phone so I can't quote and make the post I would like to make but once again wbg said the way to catch katina is by looking at her reads and reasons and see if they are logical and if she is treating everyone the same with them... He also told her to keep multiple reads as scum to improve... I think she would make a fantastic lynch.


Otherwise I would be down to kill rastaban... He was pushing without reasoning and then VE caught a damning scum slip
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
July 23 2012 00:15 GMT
#2717
On July 23 2012 08:47 Probulous wrote:
I am an idiot. Move along.

Mattchew, do us a favour and stop tunnelling Katina. It makes you look like scum because that is all you ever do.

This isn't an opinion on her alignment... And tunneling would mean I have no other opinions and refuse to vote for anyone else... She is my strongest scum read so no prob, I will not stop pushing her until that changes, and you should know better than to say something stupid like that
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
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