Bureaucracy Mafia! - Page 5

On July 17 2012 10:38 wherebugsgo wrote:


oh, that's simple.

This setup has most scum not knowing who the other scum are. It's in their best interest to actually look for scum, similar to a game that has multiple scum factions. Otherwise they'll just die isolated.

Thus, for a person like syllo to live, we force him to find other scum for us (we know that syllo is capable of this regardless of his alignment). As long as he is unwilling to do this we threaten him with death. If he is willing to help find other scum then he's either town or he's a scum who's helping us kill his own teammates.

When we have more information on how he's done this (given time) we can more effectively determine his alignment.

If, at any point, there are no players scummier than him, we just kill him.

On July 17 2012 10:46 Probulous wrote:

Given this what do you make of this

It was posted right after Supersoft pointed out how BH looks green based on his rapid fire defense with some really out there logic. Hiropro and most of the people at that time thought BH was scum but Marv didn't join in the wagon. Given you think BH is town, does this alter your read on Marv?

I am getting more of a townie feel from Marv since he has decided to end the lurking and actually started to contribute.

On July 17 2012 10:49 Probulous wrote:


I know which is why I want VE's opinion. He still has his vote on you. Given the number of other targets for lynch it seems misplaced and I want his input.

Kurumi, you sir are not helping.

On July 17 2012 18:43 syllogism wrote:

That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes.

On July 17 2012 23:06 Palmar wrote:
layabout
Sloosh
Sandroba
Probulous
HiroPro
Foolishness
VisceraEyes
Bill Murray
Gonzaw
Meapak_Ziphh
Supersoft
austinmcc
Wherebugsgo
Katina
syllogism
GGQ
Blazinghand
Chezinu
Kurumi
rastaban
Mattchew
marvellosity
risk.nuke
Q-bert-Z
RebirthofLegend
Palmar
Zealos

Thank me later.

On July 17 2012 23:21 syllogism wrote:
Well you are bad at mafia then

On July 17 2012 23:32 Palmar wrote:


a day 1 correct lynch is great. There is no reason to risk that being fucked with. I have no idea if mafia can bus/heal/block this shot from rol or not.

I say we take what we have. If kurumi is mafia, which he most likely is, we're ahead, no matter what else happens. The lynch is our safety net, you can't fuck with the lynch.

On July 17 2012 23:37 austinmcc wrote:
Good lord you guys post too much. Read through, need to look closer at the syllo and BH stuff, but first I want to ask this:

Does anyone actually know what sandroba's power is?I want sandroba to reveal his role. He seems sure that mafia is going to kill him
so there's no harm in revealing.

1-shot? 1 message per half cycle? 1 message per cycle? Please reveal more about your actual power, sandroba, because it's not sitting well with me right now. More than anything else in the thread, I'm curious about this.

On July 17 2012 23:40 austinmcc wrote:

No thanks, I'd like to contribute. You're not at all curious about the magical power that out-ed you?

On July 18 2012 00:48 sandroba wrote:

Sorry austinmcc, I refuse. Mafia has much more to gain from me claiming fully than town. Why exactly do you want to know?
I could be mafia as chairman/president and kurumi my minion since he has a power. I could be minion with this power and used it in such manner, which makes it the same effectiveness as if I were town using it.
Based on the information I presented to the thread is up to you to make a call on my alignment and kurumi's and I don't believe you need any extra information to make that call.

@kurumi If somehow you are town it's going to be a very sad day for me, but you must realize the way you reacted to that msg makes you 99.9999% mafia and we have no option but to lynch/kill you. Also nuking a person who has not posted yet is not exactly the most townie thing to do and that's what made me suspicious in the first place. If somehow you are town you should look at yourself first before accusing me of playing badly.
And you say I'm laying back and doing nothing when I'm one of the few arguing against the huge wagon on syllogism and actually trying to get BH lynched.

@palmar I think the likelyhood that nukes are real is greater outweighs the safety of a day1 guaranteed scum lynch. If mafia has some ability to redirect nukes so be it, we lynch kurumi tomorrow and BH today instead of the contrary. Speaking of BH, have you checked how he reacted when he returned to the thread after being accused? Do you really buy that?

On July 18 2012 01:15 sandroba wrote:
I would reveal I've been msg'ed in thread. Or if I could come to the conclusion the msg came from a townie I would think about what he is trying to accomplish and not follow the instructions.

On July 18 2012 02:17 VisceraEyes wrote:
@Bugs: Stop rolefishing.

Between BH and layabout, I much prefer to lynch layabout and here's why:

I believe in sandro's catch on Kurumi. Most of us do, right? So we're operating under the assumtion that scum minion A (Kurumi) has Power A (Nuclear Missile). By my estimation, a power that directly opposes a scum minion's power would, logically, be a town power. The scum team aren't in different factions, they're one BIG faction that don't know each other. So why in the dicks would scum minion B (BH) have scum power B (Anti-Missile) when Power B directly opposes Power A? It makes much more sense to logically assume that BH is town if we're accepting via behavioral analysis that Kurumi is scum.

Am I crazy here?

Layabout has been consistently useless and that's not like layabout. I'm good with a layabout lynch today. Not syllo. Sandro is right, the case on syllo is weak...and I would be just as opposed to a Foolish or WBG or Sandro lynch based on a weak case.

I can't tell what I think of Palmar yet, as his scumplay has taken a SHARP upturn from what we're used to. I need to see more of his intentions before I make a decision about his alignment.

##Vote: layabout

On July 18 2012 02:22 austinmcc wrote:
RoL has also launched a nuke at Kurumi. If Nuclear Missile is mafia-only, that means 2/6 minions had the nuclear missile power (assuming the top 3 don't have powers themselves). That seems like a stretch. I find it more likely that nukes were given to both town and mafia, or only town (although mafia probably has SOME kind of extra kp, given that they only get 1 per night?).

So I think you're wrong in assuming that all nukes are mafia, although if both Kurumi and RoL flip mafia maybe so. If not all nukes are mafia, then mafia might have a minion that can block.

On July 18 2012 02:26 HiroPro wrote:
Mind telling who you think is scum, austin?

On July 18 2012 03:16 supersoft wrote:


what are you talking about? You want to lynch kurumi despite of the nuke?
Did you even read the thread? I don't think so.
Your "I must be over thinking things" means nothing more than: "lul guys i have no idea what is going on and i hope i will somehow catch something i can comment on without you guys noticing that i have no idea whatsoever. + I am a lazy bum"

On July 18 2012 04:28 supersoft wrote:
we are not lynching veterans today. Wait at least for night 1 and see who's left by then.